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[Shad_]

 

nothing i can do in this game will make me a wolf, ever.

 

I've actually had you as pretty strong town most of the game, but that vote bumped you below my other confident town reads.  If you're up to something, that's one thing, but immediately following the person you've been calling scum for days on a case I feel is pretty objectively flawed is NOT a good look.

 

 

I feel town on you overall, but this post is a little weird in so far as it makes more assumptions about Sili's Zander vote than a player who knows him really ought to.  Like, even if he's scum I can't view it as some sort of piggybacking.

[Shad_]

p42 Hallia confirms herself town.

[Askthepizzaguy]

This is part of my catch up, but I don't want to bury it in the wall post I'm making.

 

@Hallia

 

 

*snip*

 

.....Hally's in this game?

I find this forced. At this point in time I had been posting fairly regularly for as short of a game as it was. And Laine had actually quoted/responded. Of course Laine's going to come in and say that it's sarcasm, but it feels super fake to me.

 

Also up to page 23, I like Pral's intro. He's townish right now.

 

How would you distinguish that post from a townsperson drawing attention to someone who had been absent for a while? Yeah it's a bit snarky to post that after she quoted your post.

 

Do you think that behavior is going to be seen more often from scums than townies, or is it out of character for her in your opinion?

 

If neither, whatcha thinking here.

 

Can you describe what you liked about Pral's intro post in more detail, how it follows that he's probable town?

[Hallia]

It is out of character for Alanna, I think.

 

I sometimes have a hard time reading Pral.  The way he came in and was trying to be clear with his thoughts and opinions (Unlike Sooh for example, which I quoted)

[Shad_]

Oh hey Hallia.

 

Were you going to address this?:

 

So let's try a new experiment

I want you to tell me EVERYTHING that bothers you about me this game

"Laine saying something sarcastic" doesn't count because that's basically her language

[Askthepizzaguy]

seeing the irony here?? 

 

So right now Im wanting to unvote vote Nomi  you can say its cruddy reasoning but the fact is you are giving me reason to distrust you.

No I'm not. This is a very contrived solving method and it is fake paranoia. With the reasoning behind your vote here, you are more likely to be mafia than town.

 

Distrust and paranoia is commonplace, but what you're saying here does not sound genuine.

[Thane Vakarian]

morning all. Pardon my absence, it's been madness yesterday. I'll do my best to catch up, and it seems i have a nice amount to work with

[Shad_]

morning all. Pardon my absence, it's been madness yesterday. I'll do my best to catch up, and it seems i have a nice amount to work with

 

Morning Thane!  I'd like to hear your updated thoughts on Dice before I go to bed if possible.

[Thane Vakarian]

i have 15 pages to read, at work, so an update wouldn't be too soon. Don't wait up for me

[dicetosser1]

@nomi   you have blatantly said i am someone else but im not going to tell the whole truth of that. theres grounds for distrust to start. then you contradict youself regarding rack.

 

dont like my vote? too bad. you said ureself that u distrust players who dont share and lynch them in a neutral setting. Im practicing what u are preaching

[Hallia]

I will.  It entails another reread though, and two in one night is a lot.  I'm staying in the moment for this evening, but I can iso him tomorrow.

[Askthepizzaguy]

@nomi   you have blatantly said i am someone else but im not going to tell the whole truth of that. theres grounds for distrust to start. then you contradict youself regarding rack.

 

dont like my vote? too bad. you said ureself that u distrust players who dont share and lynch them in a neutral setting. Im practicing what u are preaching

Hypocrisy and consistency are the hobgoblins of scummy minds.

 

You are playing a contrived gotcha game and you are blatantly scum at this point. You can be the day one lynch, unquestionably.

 

Others have suspected me with townie thought processes. Yours is never one.

 

[unvote]Hallia

 

[vote]Dicetosser[/vote]

 

I will ISO you to see if your body of work to date can get me to disagree with myself here.

 

I'd also like someone more impartial to take a look at you. OMGUS is a great solving method for townies but at this point, I will have some manner of confirmation bias when ISOing you, so I don't know how fair I can be.

 

I'll still make the attempt, but you are on very thin ice in my world, here.

[Askthepizzaguy]

So as not to edit, must have borked the tags somehow.

Hopefully that unvote stands,

[v]Dicetosser[/v]

[Askthepizzaguy]

Here's the rest of my catching up wall.

 

fwiw i think its you brother!!!!

"Difficult to see, the dark side is."

 

But otherwise, you see very clearly. ;)

 

i cant explain it...you confuse me cause your so Towny away from Mafia but so Wolfy in Mafia....

This was @ Sooh but it could easily have been said about others.

 

Dat's why yousa no likin' us meesa thinks.

 

Sooh is town. Im positive of this.

I'm less sure, but based on one somewhat reliable indicator already mentioned, that's where I stand as well.

 

_

 

Ugh, page 40 was a mess.

 

_

 

nothing i can do in this game will make me a wolf, ever.

I believe this is correct. And to your later post, Zander is also genuine.

 

 

nothing i can do in this game will make me a wolf, ever.

I've actually had you as pretty strong town most of the game, but that vote bumped you below my other confident town reads. If you're up to something, that's one thing, but immediately following the person you've been calling scum for days on a case I feel is pretty objectively flawed is NOT a good look.

 

Yeah it is. It's not consistent townie-ing but it's townie-ing. Sili is taking risks.

 

I think he's aiming and missing, but he's behaving like a townie.

 

Sili I have no exceptionally accurate read on Nomi

 

I just sort of want him to be a villager because I like him

 

I understand there's a level of bias there

 

He seems like he's probably EXPERIENCED so should be held at a higher competency standard but he's just so cute

My town game has a lot of experience contained within it. The flaws are that I am admittedly crap before flips happen, and that I talk myself to death and over-share.

 

Right now, I'm looking for villagers. I'm using the Ship It method. Find your villagers and avoid the mislynches, those who are scummy will reveal themselves in time, especially when we have more data.

 

Preserve the town's brain and it will be able to solve it during the more important later rounds.

 

See, I dont like Zander cause he never definitively says something that someone else hasn't said first.

 

He doesnt say "This is a good response" or "This is a town response", but "Is it odd I really like this response?". He didnt say anything about me till there were others. It feels to me like he is following people, using his jokes/lols/never being 100% serious in a post and the number of his posts as a smokescreen to hide behind. You all may think thats towny, but I dont.

 

If he wants to be town in my book, he has to actually start casing people and posting original content.

It's not an unfair request but no, he's still townie for doing this.

 

Zander is the guy who sits at the table with his friends and jokes around with them. He's more liable to comment on other's ideas than generate a massive amount of his own. Yet if you look carefully, he is still doing so.

 

It's just that his ratio of original content to commentary is different from most.

 

Just let it be known, I will not be standing in the way of a Zander lynch. Not until he steps up his game and posts some original content.

That's a fair bar, but it's also an easy hurdle for a scum to clear.

 

Still, it will help you read him better / give more to analyze if he does somehow turn out to be mafia. So yes Zander, set aside some time and do this brother.

 

p42 Hallia confirms herself town.

I liked pretty much all of Hallia's content since she started posting it. Can you be more specific as to what you see that confirms Hallia town?

 

I'm just trying to be thorough here. You're pretty high on my town list but it really doesn't hurt to ask this question.

 

It is out of character for Alanna, I think.

 

I sometimes have a hard time reading Pral. The way he came in and was trying to be clear with his thoughts and opinions (Unlike Sooh for example, which I quoted)

I don't know if I agree that it's out of character for Alanna. But I understand why it would be pingy to you if she had quoted other posts you had made.

 

I also was surprised with her response, it was different from what I thought it would be. I can't say it's changing my mind about her being a townie though.

 

Speaking of which, I want to post an updated list of my townies with a detailed explanation as to why they're townies as my next project.

 

I get the feeling I will be in lynch contention today despite the vote count, and I want people to look to those I'm suggesting are townie for guidance as to their next move.

 

I also think there are a bunch of townies getting voted to be lynched right now. And that I have to take a serious stab at finding at least one scum. Fortunately, I have a lead.

 

Let me look into Dice and Clov more. Rack and Hallia are both looking better, Hallia much much better, and Rack... well, solvable if not firm townie.

[alannalynn]

It is out of character for Alanna, I think.

Hey Hally, you didn't really respond to my concerns earlier, but how is it out of character for me to call out three someones who weren't adding anything to the game?

[Shad_]

Well I had some posts queued up but I lost them so oh well. But I think the push on me is stupid but not scummy. I think it was silli that was saying they were expecting me to finally say something when I got back but I pretty clearly stated in my post that I wasn't going to actually be able to catch up until later. So now I'm gonna give you some thoughts.

 

I don't really set out with a concrete strategy, but the Lenlo thing was kinda just looking for actions. I wasn't entirely happy with Lenlo's reactions to it but it wasn't terrible and I have a bigger scum read anyways.

 

I think Zander is scum. I thought his opening post felt forced but some people said it was just him so I was like whatever. Someone else pointed this out (I forget who) but he's spent a lot of time just defending and backing people up. It's a pretty easy tactic to lay low and get on some people's good side. Zander said that he had been attacking people though, but it wasn't a high risk one. He just jumped on the popular Lenlo bandwagon. His reasoning wasn't good either, Lenlo imo was pretty clearly just using a mostly gut read on that person who had barely posted so I didn't get why Zander was making a big deal about it. It felt like a weak reason to jump on a popular bandwagon. I'm gonna Vote: Zander

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Things that make me say, "Hmmm..."

Penny for you thoughts?

 

Your argument is not very good, and Sili following you - if serious - is terribad.

 

I obviously disagree on the argument so we'll just agree to disagree on this point

 

 

I'm sure you do, but I don't see how.  The initial post thing is whatever - if you don't know Zander, it might feel forced, but I can pull dozens of examples of posts like that where he was town.  I think it was Yates that summed it up perfectly...it's 100% null for him.  

 

Defending and backing people up is a pretty fair claim, but as I said with Pral, not sure that's really scummy.  Finding townies significantly narrows down the possible pool for mafia, so there's a lot of value there, and I would say it's usually easier to find a few good town reads on D1 than a strong mafia read (barring an absolute screw up).  In terms of laying low...I would fully buy that if it were true, but for Zander, specifically, this is hardly the case.  The guy has over a hundred posts and has been one of the most active players in the game.

 

Biggest issue is your claim of him piling on.  I don't think Lenlo was really a popular wagon at all when Zander voted; he had votes from you and Sili.  In a phase where it's 9 to lynch, 2 votes don't mean a whole lot.  It means even less when there's five days left in the phase and neither your vote nor Sili's had much backing behind it.

 

 

The initial posting thing wasn't really a big part of my argument at all, it was just the event that made his posts stand out to me while I was catching up.

 

When I said lay low, I meant it as in he wasn't saying anything offensive that would draw attention to himself. I think he phrased his words carefully. On post 435 Pralaya posted some quotes of his that emphasize it. Note that in none of them does he say he thinks someone is town. He imo is calculating with his language, instead phrasing it as him not thinking that town or mafia (Player) would do that but he also leaves some doubt in the posts so he could possibly wiggle out of it later without looking too bad. I think it's a very clear scum tactic.

 

Lenlo may have only had 2 votes then, but he put it to three which is a third of the vote. The rest of the votes were really spread out at the time too. Not only that, but there were a couple of people who had said things about Lenlo around there that they were iffy. It's not crazy to think that Zander was hoping to start a little run.

 

 

 

In red are you referring to Lenlo's vote on Laine, which prompted Zander's initial vote? If so, let's recalibrate a little here. Zander's initial vote on Lenlo was a joke. Just like, accept that. It's a Zander thing. Moreover, I don't think town!Zander would pause to think that putting Lenlo at 3 is a bad look. That definitely does not mean that scum!Zander would not see the joke as a convenient opportunity to 'start a little run' as you characterize it in your quote. So with that in mind, here are the first three posts in which Zander converts to a serious vote. How does this impact your opinion?:

 

 

 

 

 

My vote on lenlo is based on this: and I've already said this in the thread.

 

His posts were forced, they lack content, he hadn't until just now after i implied he should, addressed his wagon in a concerted way which may or may not be scum who is playing it safe and hoping the storm will pass. I obviously, being me after all, will not like this behavior. I am glad he finally addressed his wagon.

 

more later when i get home.

Forced/Lacked content - I assume your talking about post #51? That post wasnt even 3 pages into the game and it was my first post. Your using that to say im forcing my posts/lacking content? Whats your opinion on Pral, Nomi or say Dice then? None of them have posted much and what they have hasnt been content. Id like to see if you have a similar opinion about them or are singling me out for some reason.

 

The wagon - Concerted? So a planned way? You mean I ignored something that was just two people ranting at me without telling me what for? Now that you have actually told me what im being bothered about I can answer it, but you cant expect someone to respond to something that was never mentioned.

 

i dont know if its just me but this post is very meh imo. im gonna have to go back and read his posts.

 

 

 

 

Page 4 - Sili goes crazy. Hes kinda spamming the thread here, most of it is pointless. Why?

 

Thane has 2 posts. Nothing of content in them. Checks in then checks out

 

Rack hasnt actually contributed at all. Hes just pushed something with no reason and then let Sili do all the work. atleast in terms of my train. He did alittle bit of poking at Zander but nothing serious. I feel like he might be pushing me early as a reaction train? Like see what people do, who jumps on a quick bandwagon, how I defend myself. Just get some overall reactions. Seeing how he plays it out will be interesting and telling imo.

 

Zander posted a good amount, but mostly just light hearted stuff. I want MEAT. Quick to jump on me, and stay on me I might add, when I vote Corlanna jokingly.

 

Clov disagrees with Rack on Zander, but thinks hes town. Also engages Sili abit. Hes not afraid to confront people

 

Lots of inactives this game. We have to be careful about people pushing them for weak reasons, as I think that would be an easy for the scum to rack up some easy days/kills.

 

Cory not saying anything meaningful, votes Sooh. Cmon Coreh. Help me out here.

 

Hallia soft defends me for no reason. Its not major but something worth noting imo.

 

Sooh pokes at Sili, doesnt back it with a vote. I dunno why but I kinda feel like she is testing the waters for a Sili push. Have nothing to back this up atm sadly.

 

Dice gettin friendly with Sooh.

 

Yates comes in guns blazing. I noticed Sili is questionable of it, but I like it.

 

Sili, lots of votes, lots of posts, moderate amount of content imo. Got into it with Yates. Gets pissy at me when I dismiss his and Racks push on me because it has nothing to it. I asked if he was drunk. Apparently this was stupid. Im still amused by it. After I respond to him though, he finally posts a good meaningful, more than 1 line post. I liked it.

 

Tab posts. Says nothing.

 

Shad is playin. I cant really get a read on him for some reason, but hes posting content so... yay? I wanna like him but I feel like I need something more, so I can make sure its not just me liking him cause he defended me/chatted with me.

 

Nomi. Votes Yates jokingly, even though Sili has been going at him. Odd?

 

 

 

 

I had quotes, but it kinda went up in flames cause DM. I have work I need to do tonight, so im just gonna post my notepad thoughts that came up as I was reading. Heres my current list.

 

 

(In not particular order)

 

Town:

Clov

Yates

Lenlo

 

Null to Town:

Rack

Shad

Sili

 

Null:

Hallia

Parlaya

Corlanna (Cory/Alanna)

Taborline

Dice

BFG

Nomi

 

Null to Scum:

Thane

Zander

Sooh

 

Scum:

 

 

 

[v]Sooh[/v]

 

I wanna see how this goes, and maybe shed some light on Dice and Sili in the process.

 

*peeks in*

 

wow, i was surprised that the PM arrived. Seems like we have a game after all

 

*hands out drinks and stuff to nibble on*

 

*stretches*

 

alright, will the wolves just out themselves so we can get wrecking?

 

*feels loved*

 

remind me not to send you chocolate in the future.....

 

So your top 3 Scum reads:

 

So you have Thane null to scum based on the above posts.

Sooh based on sussing Sili

Me for being lighthearted and voting you.

 

 

this is just a horrible list man.

 

 

Thane: Not doing anything at all. Just checking out.

Sooh: General tone and a bad feeling.

You: High post count, little content.

 

Disagree? Please, gimme somethin to work with.

Thane: Have you ever played with Thane before...its early D1 extremely normal for Thane atp imo

 

Sooh: I don't think her tone is off. bad feeling i can agree with a bit because unlike innocent till proven guilty Sooh is always wolf till proven town to me. but ive mislynched or helped to enough times to give her some more time before coming to a conclusion like that.

 

lolololololol----Sorry Sooh

 

Me: HI IM ZANDER

 

It almost seems like you were just picking names out of a hat.

 

 

And you complained about leaving my vote on you when you voted Corlanna first then i voted you. and your vote was there till you made the comment and voted Sooh.....

 

im pretty happy keeping my vote where it is brah.

 

 

[Lenlo]

Shad, id prefer it if you didnt put words in Zanders mouth/defend him with semantics (EXP: "Zander's initial vote on Lenlo was a joke. Just like, accept that. It's a Zander thing.") . Feel free to debate with Rack, but let Zander stand on his own two feet and defend himself some. I wanna see how he handles it and it would also qualify as him posting original content which would make me feel better about reading him.

 

Nomi, its a fairly low bar I know, but if its one he cant jump over then either hes scum or a poor town. Neither of which I see much problem with lynching if it helps us solve the game. As for his ratio to OC to posts, its not just different its incredibly low.

[Askthepizzaguy]

1) Rack
2) Sooh
3) Sili
4) Thane
5) Hallia
6) Shad
7) Taborline
8) Lenlo
9) Yates
10) Zander 
11) Corlanna (Cory/Alanna)
12) Parlaya
13) Nomi
14) Dice
15) BFG
16) Clov

 

This is the player list, and this is my town, including myself ofc-

 

1) Sili- he's not town because he's finding scums. He's town because he's a townie acting like one. This won't change in my mind unless something extremely drastic happens. Even if Sili lynches me incorrectly, you do not lynch Sili. His body of work is... spammy and sloppy, to say the least, but it's not mafia.

 

2) Zander- I am less confident about Zander than I am about Sili. But, this is a true blue townie and his paranoia is exactly where you'd expect it to be, even if it is misguided. He's playing one of the better scum games of his life if he's scum here. He's relaxed, honest, and everything he says flows from where a Zander's mind would. I think he's going to tunnel some townies before finding a scum but he will find a scum if you keep him around long enough. And you almost definitely shouldn't lynch him. I'm very confident here.

 

3) Corlanna- I understand Hallia's thoughts about Alanna's posts, but she has done enough where I'm fairly confident she's a townie by herself, and Cory simply is a townie. Therefore she's gotta be. Confidence: My gut says hell yes they're townies, my head says they can fool me. I am not underestimating them. So I am very very enthusiastic about them being townie, but my confidence level is a few ticks below where it is on Zander. I'd still give them lots of space to work. You don't lynch here anytime soon.

 

4) Shad- I feel my work on Shad is incomplete, but my early assessment is that Shad is also a trustworthy townie. I will have to ISO Shad and talk with her more, but for the foreseeable, I'm good. Shad's work to date looks excellent.

 

5) Hallia- my suspicions on her vanished when I examined her work as she returned to play. Yes I'm aware that yet another reversal from me will make you question me more. This is where I stand now, and I can go into more detail as to why. Confidence level: It's not as high as Shad. That's why these are in order. I want to do more follow up but for now, I'm not lynching Hallia day one.

 

 

 

----gap of confidence---

 

 

6) Sooh- Her game so far has struggled to get off the ground. But she's been busy. She had precisely one post that looked like a clear indicator she was a townie, and unfortunately, I can't be that confident on the read based on only that. But, it was enough to put her in my townie camp. You definitely keep looking at her and you definitely make sure she gets on record as to her feelings as to why people are which alignment. You also give her the time to make such posts. Rushing her lynch is incorrect but I wouldn't say I'd be surprised if and when it happens, and if she flips scum there, it would be a less likely outcome imo but not one I can discount.

 

7) Thane- could be higher than Sooh in terms of confidence but although I feel like he's going to be a townie in most cases, he has the potential to be an endgame wolf. You should not lynch him without just cause but I wouldn't give him a pass to the endgame, he's got to earn it.

 

 

---gap of confidence---

 

Now we get into where I don't think I'm going to have a good time making an accurate read of you based on your work so far. I will need several days to get a handle on you folks, and I'll be ISOing you as much as I can. Please get your opinions on record as much as possible if you haven't already.

 

8) Taborline, Parlaya, BFG

 

I have no reason to not think you're townies. That said, I have not looked at any of you in-depth. I have no confidence on the lean, just a general vague feeling.

 

 

Those are my townies.

 

Now, these are my suspects, in reverse order of confidence.

 

5) Yates- He's done a lot, but none of it has made me feel like he's a villager. He has also done nothing specific to make me suspect him. But I got a general feeling of unease earlier and I wanted him to respond to my poke vote and engage me. I feel like villager Yates would question me or at least talk to me, because I'm there. That's really all villager Yates needs. That he has not done so gives me a general feeling like he's not solving the game. Confidence level: Pretty weak. He could wow me and show me he's a townie, he has that capability.

 

He hasn't done so, and he's had the opportunity. Thus, a suspect.

 

4) Rack- residual concern, mostly. I don't think he's acquitted himself, but I do think I'd need more time to pin him down confidently. I do think he's begun trying to solve, and if that keeps up, it will improve my position on him because some of what he's said looks good to me.

 

3) Lenlo- also probably residual concern. I need to ISO him and see if I can rethink my position on him. I get the sense... that he could be a townie because of his reaction to rack, but I also get the sense that he'd be capable of doing that as mafia. I think he is playing a tightly controlled game. I need to get to know him better to resolve my unease.or pin down an exact case.

4) Clov- My confidence about his village-ness disappeared largely due to his body of work. I get the feeling like he's simply the best active wolf in the game, dancing with the villagers with an impressive level of ad-libbing ability. His game looks beautiful. I also think there's more than meets the eye on Clov and after I look at Dice, I want to see if I can specifically shake my bad feelings about Clov. I can't pinpoint exactly what I think is wrong with him, and so, I will air my thoughts but I have no case to present against him, and if he's a townie, I need to try very hard to figure that out before end of round.

 

5) Dice- My confidence level here is about 75%. I think he blundered his alignment away when he chose his target and reasoning for today. There's a big gap between him and all my other suspects. Note how I reacted to all the other suspicion in my direction this game. Dice is attacking something he feels he can make look bad, and there's an agenda behind his suspicions which does not exist in anyone else who has put my name forward. It's clear that he's the outlier.

 

I can give you specifics on everyone except the trio I have listed under (8) and I can't give any specifics about Yates except the one thing I cited. Those are my least confident stances.

 

I think that's a solid first day but it can be improved upon, so there's still much work to do.

[Sooh]

 

I just ISOd Hallia, and there really isn't much there.

Have you ISOd BGF?

 

I would have literally answered the same Zander did. She did warn us, and I want to give her time, because if she's town I value her contributions.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Shad, id prefer it if you didnt put words in Zanders mouth/defend him with semantics (EXP: "Zander's initial vote on Lenlo was a joke. Just like, accept that. It's a Zander thing.") . Feel free to debate with Rack, but let Zander stand on his own two feet and defend himself some. I wanna see how he handles it and it would also qualify as him posting original content which would make me feel better about reading him.

 

Nomi, its a fairly low bar I know, but if its one he cant jump over then either hes scum or a poor town. Neither of which I see much problem with lynching if it helps us solve the game. As for his ratio to OC to posts, its not just different its incredibly low.

 

Lynching poor townies is not finding scum.

 

Lynching afk or lurking townies is not finding scum.

 

Lynching townies who are trying hard to lynch other townies is not finding scum.

 

I won't use a townie's performance as a reason to make them die. I will only use "they seem like scum" as a reason.

 

Townies may be able to afford to expend more lives than scums, but every time we expend our mislynches, we give the mafia time to destroy the thinkers and the power roles.

 

That is far worse than the damage a "bad" townie brings to the table. The game is won by lynching scums, not by punishing teammates.

 

This is not a lecture, it's just where I stand. :) Do you think you can agree to this premise?

[Shad_]

 

p42 Hallia confirms herself town.

I liked pretty much all of Hallia's content since she started posting it. Can you be more specific as to what you see that confirms Hallia town?

 

I'm just trying to be thorough here. You're pretty high on my town list but it really doesn't hurt to ask this question.

 

Nothing; that post was mostly bait, but I think she's trending town.

[Lenlo]

I agree with the premise's in theory, but I suppose I disagree with the conclusion. I dont think someone who only posts other peoples words is likely to be town. Thus, I want them lynched. I acknowledge I can be wrong here, as I have only played 1 game since I came back and everyone else seems to think Zander is town. I refuse to let that stop me from pushing him until he either gets better and becomes the hero we need, or breaks and crumbles into dust.

 

As for your concern, I can answer that. I am playing a controlled game. I try to think about the majority of what I post and I do have plans/ideas that I am attempting to pull off in the hopes of catching scum/proving townies. This is because for a span of probably 6 months before I took a break I was (In my mind atleast) considered a jester of mafia. No one took me seriously. I coasted on jokes, chatting and the occasional good mafia gambit/town PR gamble. I hated that feeling. It feels like crap to be a jester. So I left, took some time off, and decided I was going to try and become a player people enjoyed playing with because they played a good game. Because they made it fun and interesting.

 

So yeah, I think through what I do because now I actually play to win, rather than just to hang out.

[Lenlo]

Anyways, on that happy note, g'night. Im gonna crash before I start dreaming of CPU caches and memory usage.

[Shad_]

Shad, id prefer it if you didnt put words in Zanders mouth/defend him with semantics (EXP: "Zander's initial vote on Lenlo was a joke. Just like, accept that. It's a Zander thing.") . Feel free to debate with Rack, but let Zander stand on his own two feet and defend himself some. I wanna see how he handles it and it would also qualify as him posting original content which would make me feel better about reading him.

 

Nomi, its a fairly low bar I know, but if its one he cant jump over then either hes scum or a poor town. Neither of which I see much problem with lynching if it helps us solve the game. As for his ratio to OC to posts, its not just different its incredibly low.

 

Sorry, no.  If you wanted to hear Zander explain this himself you should have asked him.  I am interested in improving my read on Rack right now and the statement was useful towards that end.

[Sooh]

Hallia's post. I lost the direct link in the quote:

 

 From where I stand I think Corlanna, Sili, Shad and Zander are my villagers. 

 

I still believe Thane is a viable option for wolf, 

 

 

I'm also very much cautiously watching Clov, Nomi and Yates at the moment. Not sure I want to lynch within that pool today though. I'm probably going to need more time on those. 

 

I'm not fond of Sooh's reads for the most part.  I agree that Shad is townish, and for the second part, you have left that so far open to interpretation it's not funny.  Are you watching them because you think they're scum?

 

Who out of my town reads do you not agree with? Corlanna, Sili and Zander? I agree Zander can be tough to read sometimes, but he's not on his wolf game in my opinion. His posts are too relaxed I think. He's feeling genuine to me. 

 

As for my other three, you did see I looked more into Nomi, right? Clov and Yates are players I need time to read, as I stated in my post. I probably won't have a good solve for either of them D1. I'm still looking of course, but in terms of making conclusions about their alignment I feel it's premature. 

 

 

As for your posts I think you've touched on some good points. I feel still that they are very minimalistic, and while they do make me feel less confident about you being a wolf they are not enough to clear you yet.