[Advanced] The Usual Suspects Mafia - GAME OVER - COPS WIN

[Clovdyx]

1. Razen - seen a couple posts by him looks good so far.

2. Wombicat (Wombat/Ocicat) - wombat is talkative but haven't seen him do any real scumhunting, I'm guilty of this myself so w/e. no idea who OC Cat is.

3. Seph/Zander hydra - No opinon.

4. Hallia - Good so far.

5. Sili - Dirty filthy spammer that needs to be eradicated for everyone's sanity.

6. Kivish (Kivam/Mish) - Like Mish's posts and don't dislike Kivs posts. Think there is probably already at least 1 scum on their train hoping it will build.

7. Laine -  no opinion

8. Shad - no opinion

9. Talya - seen a couple posts but didn't read'em. Seems to be keeping up so good chance of being town.

10. Pralaya - no opinion. Has he checked in yet?

11. Lenlo - no opinion

12. Yates - Seems invested in some conversation or another. Yates is a tryhard though so that's pretty null imo.

13. Nyce (Nyn/Dice) - haven't really read their posts but I hope they are town because that's a scary combo

14. John Snow - no opinion

15. ClovFG (Clov/BFG) - BFG is nice. Clov I don't know very well. no real opinion

16. Beck Csarmi - I guess he posted but I didn't see it

17. CorKey (Cory/Keyholder) - Haven't noticed key posting but Cory seems to have good thread presence. don't think he has a problem with that as scum though. I'd guess if he's really keeping notes ask to see some of them eventually and if true he's town. I've never known scum to keep notes myself.

18. wish-tree/Celeste hydra - they seem talkative no real opinion on them though

19. Nolderf (Nolder/Darthe) - please kills us. this is an abomination.

20. AJ - no opinion

 

Bold is incredibly tempting.  I find it very strange that you have no opinion on Sender, Wishlest, Shad, Wombat, and me when we have a combined 400 posts.  Then you have Cory with over 100 and your read on him comes down to whether or not he's keeping notes.

[WWWwombat]

IT is pretty obvious what Zander is talking about. I find it lol that people even bothered to nitpick it.

 

Care to enlighten us nitpickers?

 

 

Also, Lenlo getting involved on D1 is a pleasant surprise.

[Zander?]

1. Razen - seen a couple posts by him looks good so far.

2. Wombicat (Wombat/Ocicat) - wombat is talkative but haven't seen him do any real scumhunting, I'm guilty of this myself so w/e. no idea who OC Cat is.

3. Seph/Zander hydra - No opinon.

4. Hallia - Good so far.

5. Sili - Dirty filthy spammer that needs to be eradicated for everyone's sanity.

6. Kivish (Kivam/Mish) - Like Mish's posts and don't dislike Kivs posts. Think there is probably already at least 1 scum on their train hoping it will build.

7. Laine -  no opinion

8. Shad - no opinion

9. Talya - seen a couple posts but didn't read'em. Seems to be keeping up so good chance of being town.

10. Pralaya - no opinion. Has he checked in yet?

11. Lenlo - no opinion

12. Yates - Seems invested in some conversation or another. Yates is a tryhard though so that's pretty null imo.

13. Nyce (Nyn/Dice) - haven't really read their posts but I hope they are town because that's a scary combo

14. John Snow - no opinion

15. ClovFG (Clov/BFG) - BFG is nice. Clov I don't know very well. no real opinion

16. Beck Csarmi - I guess he posted but I didn't see it

17. CorKey (Cory/Keyholder) - Haven't noticed key posting but Cory seems to have good thread presence. don't think he has a problem with that as scum though. I'd guess if he's really keeping notes ask to see some of them eventually and if true he's town. I've never known scum to keep notes myself.

18. wish-tree/Celeste hydra - they seem talkative no real opinion on them though

19. Nolderf (Nolder/Darthe) - please kills us. this is an abomination.

20. AJ - no opinion

 

have you been reading this game at all??

[Songstress]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

Seph/Zander (4): ClovFG, John Snow, Wombicat, Lenlo
Nolderf (1): Laine
Kivish (5): Hallia, Nyce, Zander/Seph, Shad, Sili
Lenlo (2): CorKey, Razen
Wombicat (1): AJ
John Snow (1): Yates


Not Voting (6): Pral, Csarmi, Talya, Wish/Celeste, Kivish, Nolderf

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

Deadline is Monday Aug 17th @ 9am MST/Noon EST

[Nolder]

 

1. Razen - seen a couple posts by him looks good so far.

2. Wombicat (Wombat/Ocicat) - wombat is talkative but haven't seen him do any real scumhunting, I'm guilty of this myself so w/e. no idea who OC Cat is.

3. Seph/Zander hydra - No opinon.

4. Hallia - Good so far.

5. Sili - Dirty filthy spammer that needs to be eradicated for everyone's sanity.

6. Kivish (Kivam/Mish) - Like Mish's posts and don't dislike Kivs posts. Think there is probably already at least 1 scum on their train hoping it will build.

7. Laine -  no opinion

8. Shad - no opinion

9. Talya - seen a couple posts but didn't read'em. Seems to be keeping up so good chance of being town.

10. Pralaya - no opinion. Has he checked in yet?

11. Lenlo - no opinion

12. Yates - Seems invested in some conversation or another. Yates is a tryhard though so that's pretty null imo.

13. Nyce (Nyn/Dice) - haven't really read their posts but I hope they are town because that's a scary combo

14. John Snow - no opinion

15. ClovFG (Clov/BFG) - BFG is nice. Clov I don't know very well. no real opinion

16. Beck Csarmi - I guess he posted but I didn't see it

17. CorKey (Cory/Keyholder) - Haven't noticed key posting but Cory seems to have good thread presence. don't think he has a problem with that as scum though. I'd guess if he's really keeping notes ask to see some of them eventually and if true he's town. I've never known scum to keep notes myself.

18. wish-tree/Celeste hydra - they seem talkative no real opinion on them though

19. Nolderf (Nolder/Darthe) - please kills us. this is an abomination.

20. AJ - no opinion

 

Bold is incredibly tempting.  I find it very strange that you have no opinion on Sender, Wishlest, Shad, Wombat, and me when we have a combined 400 posts.  Then you have Cory with over 100 and your read on him comes down to whether or not he's keeping notes.

 

skimming'll do that to ya. I'll make a mental note to pay more attention to those people in particular for you so next time I'm asked for reads I'll be of more use.

[wish-tree]

 

1. Razen - seen a couple posts by him looks good so far.

2. Wombicat (Wombat/Ocicat) - wombat is talkative but haven't seen him do any real scumhunting, I'm guilty of this myself so w/e. no idea who OC Cat is.

3. Seph/Zander hydra - No opinon.

4. Hallia - Good so far.

5. Sili - Dirty filthy spammer that needs to be eradicated for everyone's sanity.

6. Kivish (Kivam/Mish) - Like Mish's posts and don't dislike Kivs posts. Think there is probably already at least 1 scum on their train hoping it will build.

7. Laine -  no opinion

8. Shad - no opinion

9. Talya - seen a couple posts but didn't read'em. Seems to be keeping up so good chance of being town.

10. Pralaya - no opinion. Has he checked in yet?

11. Lenlo - no opinion

12. Yates - Seems invested in some conversation or another. Yates is a tryhard though so that's pretty null imo.

13. Nyce (Nyn/Dice) - haven't really read their posts but I hope they are town because that's a scary combo

14. John Snow - no opinion

15. ClovFG (Clov/BFG) - BFG is nice. Clov I don't know very well. no real opinion

16. Beck Csarmi - I guess he posted but I didn't see it

17. CorKey (Cory/Keyholder) - Haven't noticed key posting but Cory seems to have good thread presence. don't think he has a problem with that as scum though. I'd guess if he's really keeping notes ask to see some of them eventually and if true he's town. I've never known scum to keep notes myself.

18. wish-tree/Celeste hydra - they seem talkative no real opinion on them though

19. Nolderf (Nolder/Darthe) - please kills us. this is an abomination.

20. AJ - no opinion

 

have you been reading this game at all??

 

Apparently not.

 

Ey, reads list incoming (for what they're worth...). I think that Nolder has everyone in the game, so I'll just copy the names from his list. Pretty sure that there are some people I haven't seen around (or seen much content from).

[Zander?]

Keep in mind that even though I did fully reread pgs 1-34...I have no memory of them.

It was mostly spam and I didn't care to file any of it away. After that I've been skimming as time permits.

Figure I'll just wait until someone is dead and work on lynch trains. Easier than getting reads imo although less skillful.

 

well you answered my question....

try reading:  reading > skimming imo

Prolly should try at least a little bit before then.

[Nolder]

Zander: not much sorry. This game has been extremely time investing so far it seems and I have not had the time to put into it like it deserves.

That's completely my fault for joining two games at once. All I can say is the other game looks to be ending this next week and hopefully I'll be able to get more invested in this one as time goes on.

 

In the meantime if anyone would like thoughts on a specific post or interaction please quote it or link me. For now that'll be the easiest way to get my opinion on things. Not ideal I know.

[Yates]

@ Yates who is on your POE?

Easier question to answer is who is NOT...

 

- I've had Hally and Nyn green from early on.

 

- I love Key's posts but she's paired up with Cory so it's hard to give them an early green. In any case, they aren't in my Day 1 lynch pile.

 

- I actually kind of like Razen. He's easy to follow, anyway. Reminds me of the other Alanna. In a good way.

 

- I feel like Kivish was taking some heat early, got defensive, and got stuck in that defensive mode. That heat seems to have cooled off so I'm waiting to see what direction they go in now that they aren't against the ropes.

 

- I'm a little concerned about NolDerf keeping such a low profile. I don't think this game/activity is bigger than either of them so I won't buy that as an excuse.

 

- I haven't seen anything from BFG worth a whole lot and Clov has been hard to follow so I'm keeping an eye open there. Also not sure how I feel about the wish/celeste hydra - though some of that might just be me not knowing them.

 

- I'm kind of cautious about you guys. I'm not seeing a lot of reads development. Maybe expect that less from you but certainly from Seph.

 

- I was also expecting a lot more content from Lainey and Talya. Like, even though Talya was scum in Bellicheat? I want to see that kind of effort and probing.

 

Mostly, there's just this huge swath of nulls.

[WWWwombat]

p. 55

 

Getting Laine/Hally vibes from wish-tree.  Feels like she's still settling in though so I don't have a read.

 

Not liking Sili, but that's par for the course.

[Razen]

I spoilered the progression that I noticed, but it's actually not that long, but I don't like seeing lots of quotes in a row.

 

 

 

Was planning on doing a big WOT catch-up style post, but after reading ~30 something pages and seeing that I had less than 20 posts I wanted to actually comment on, I'll forego that and just take a big consciousness dump ITT. Most topics have been touched on and repeated enough that I don't feel the need to add anything - so I'll try to bring some fresh points to the thread.

 

Shad's joke vote on Seph early on reminds me of how he started in the Belichick game, which is cool considering our synergy in that one. I had some more of his stuff quoted in the queue before I wiped them all that I liked as well. His comments towards Hallia/wish-tree are pretty villagery and carry that sort of uncanny poise he has for a newer player. Good vibes from him thus far.

 

Wish-Tree strikes me as a Hallia.2 in the first few pages of the game. Don't know what that means yet but it's the impression I got, so there you have it.

 

Hallia and Nyn are passing the eyeball test so far. Halli's coming out strong against Kiv and I think her reaction to his whining is good in the sense that she's an emotive player and I would expect her to react that way to that sort of thing. Nyn's sharpness came out once she got past her intro catch-up. She's picking up on the details I think she would as town regarding Kiv's Pral vote, and the responses to Celeste/wish-tree are the amusingly blunt type we all know and love.

 

Wombat's OP at a glance makes me think the randomizing wasn't so good to him, more gut than anything. Wanna see him get more involved once things picked up more beyond the catch up style posts.

 

Zander/Seph/Laine seem to doing that townie circle jerk thing they like to do - we'll see how that progresses. Zander is easy going but I'll be looking for when he starts to make cases after our last game together where he got by a lot on being 'Zander'. Don't really have an opinion regarding Laine picking up Mynd's torch, the stance itself is null but we'll see where she goes with it. Not much about Seph stuck out to me beyond him reiterating a lot that he really likes wish-tree/Celeste.

 

Kivish slot giving me some troubles atm. I basically hate Kivam's approach this game, first with me and then later with Pral and the subsequent backtracking, but Mish feels pretty genuine with how she's reacting to things ITT. Wouldn't really have thought Mish would be the redeeming quality for them (no offense) but if they weren't paired I would support a Kiv wagon at this point.

 

 

*snip*

Here's my own thoughts up to this point regarding who's pushed Kivam/Mish:
Based solely on what people have posted up to this point, I'm getting good vibes from Sili and Nyn. They're the only two that I've seen that appear genuine in their pushing against them. I've liked the way that Sili has approached Kivam - he's focused on the misrep of his statements, not what everyone else has been seeing as defensive or scummy from them.
 
Nyn has been...abrasive in how she's asked some of her questions and given her responses.  It's different from what I'm used to seeing, but that isn't a bad thing.  I've generally liked the way she's pushed the misrep of Pralaya's meta from Kivam.
 
Regarding the Kivam/Mish situation: Kivam's vote on Andrej is still a null tell.  It's been moved since, and because Mish and Kivam are two heads of the same player, I'm factoring in both halves' actions into my read.  I don't agree with the point that Hallia raised that since it wasn't Kivam who moved it, that it looks scummy.  I need to refresh myself on that interaction though, because I don't believe she was the only one pushing that angle.  I also want to look back and see who's parked their votes in light of what Mish pointed out on Shad.  Difference being that Hallia has a reason for voting instead of leaving a policy/joke parked on someone, but I also haven't seen anything outside of that yet. 
 
The points that Sili and Nyn have raised I feel are legitimate.  I didn't like the way that Kivam only called out Pralaya when there are other players that hadn't checked in either.  The meta part doesn't matter to me - as I've said before, I'm not familiar with a lot of it.  Why specifically target one player when there's others that could be prodded as well?  I didn't really like Kiv's explanation about that.
 
Other things that came to mind:
 
I think it's kind of interesting that Wombat pulled up the post count when he was towards the bottom end of that list.  I'm not sure what the point he was trying to make is, but it seems odd that it comes from the same end of the list that people tend to look unfavorably at.
 
But it does bring me to my next observation.  People that I've seen pretty much only fluff from.  Or rather, person.  That's Lenlo.  He did say that he was moving, to be fair, but I would still have hoped to see more when he was here.
 
So, I'm off to review the first portion of the Kivam piece regarding his Andrej vote.  Be back in a bit with what I've found.

Agree on Sili and Nyn in regards to seeming genuine with their pushes on Kiv. Though if you think Nyn being abrasive is unusual then you don't know Nyn very well ;).

I remember playing with Kiv way back and being in awe of how he could manipulate the thread, so I am forcing myself to not get too involved since idk that I can be impartial. I just always want to think he's town and messing with everyone versus having a possible scum slip. I'm letting Cory parce Kiv and also am using Mish to help me in gauging that slot.

The face Wombat made seems more likely to me that he was pointing out the other end - all the posts that Cory and Sili have made already. Because Cory having 70 posts when half the game had under 20 was just 0.0 to me too haha. HOWEVER, I don't like that Womby hasn't seemed to put forth much effort so far. Last time I was on a scum team with him, he was hardly around/interested (Avengers for those of you that have way too much time on your hands and read old games) and it's looking pretty similar to that so far.

 

 

[v]Wombat[/v]

 

Seems people are starting to echo my thoughts here.

 

Need to leave for work now, I'll try to peek at the thread throughout the day if I get the chance.

 

 

 

All right, so his catch-up/thought-dump post mentions that he has a gut feeling about Wombat not having been treated well by the randomizing.  I brought up the post count post Wombat had made because I didn't know what his point was (and for what's its worth, I would agree with that point now that it's been explained.)  Key also mentions that Wombat hasn't put much effort forth, and brings up a past game where she's seen the same behavior, which causes AJ to then follow up with a vote after he mentions that others are having some of the same thoughts.  It kind of feels to me like he was testing the waters to see if anyone else was willing to put something out there on Wombat after he mentioned having a gut feeling that he could follow up on without getting his hands too dirty.

[Nolder]

 

Keep in mind that even though I did fully reread pgs 1-34...I have no memory of them.

It was mostly spam and I didn't care to file any of it away. After that I've been skimming as time permits.

Figure I'll just wait until someone is dead and work on lynch trains. Easier than getting reads imo although less skillful.

 

well you answered my question....

try reading:  reading > skimming imo

Prolly should try at least a little bit before then.

 

Yeah I just don't have the time for that right now.

What I can do right now is play in the moment. 

I'm here now so...anything in particular you want my thoughts on?

[WWWwombat]

 

 

 

Essentially the issue with larger games is that I have to spend more time reading, which means less time posting, I'm pretty sure you know this?

 

Not buying it

 

 

Reading people without interaction is a skill.  Acquire it.

 

Oooh burn...

Wombat, does that mean BFG is okay to you?

 

 

More like null.

 

 

Apette = female fans of the Ape.  Seems pretty obvious.

 

Oh, the Ape is Integrity28 from JN, who also goes by John McClain here sometimes.  And it's a running joke over on JN that people from DM love him because once upon a time someone here asked John McClain for mafia mentoring.  Add that plus a number of female DMers playing in a JN game with the Ape, and some not voting with him, and you get Apettes

 

 

You ruined it :(

 

 

Alright. I'm read up to here. Don't have time to post all my thoughts but I'll respond to some real time stuff while people are online...

 

@Clov - Okay. But that was just like a little snippet in time you were referring to, then. After hours, mind you. Not my body of work for the game. So I'm not sure the point you were trying to make there and I guess that's why I was confused and, I imagine, why Key said you were misrepping my contributions.

 

@Wombat - Thank you for noticing the snazzy Tom Brady avy. Assumed you would be the one to do it! lol

 

@Wish - No. You have it backwards. Nyn and Hally were already voting Kivish. At the time I was saying I might follow them onto that wagon [sheep them]. I've since changed my mind, fwiw.

 

One thing I wanted to comment on was the Cory, Clov, AJ love triangle thing. Something strange is afoot here. I'll probably reread that whole exchange between Cory and Clov a couple more times tomorrow [if the thread doesn't blow up overnight] to parse out what bothers me about it.

 

Of course I noticed lol.  Will be interested to hear your thoughts ad see if they square at all with mine.  Cory is reading well to me atm.  Clov and AJ are null.  Clov is Clov and AJ is too distant/stand-offish for a read at this stage.

[WWWwombat]

Also, Clov's avi is really throwing me for a loop because it looks like one Sakaea used to have.

[Clovdyx]

 

Of course I noticed lol.  Will be interested to hear your thoughts ad see if they square at all with mine.  Cory is reading well to me atm.  Clov and AJ are null.  Clov is Clov and AJ is too distant/stand-offish for a read at this stage.

 

watido :(

[Yates]

Of course I noticed lol.

I know. Muy guapo.

 

Will be interested to hear your thoughts ad see if they square at all with mine.

What did you think?

 

Cory is reading well to me atm.  Clov and AJ are null.  Clov is Clov and AJ is too distant/stand-offish for a read at this stage.

Yeah, I don't know how anyone has AJ as anything but null. Maybe Clov has a different comfort level snap reading him than I do?

[WWWwombat]

 

 

 

Fwiw I don't have feelings about Wombat one away another this game, besides finding his multiqyotes worthless. Yates did the same thing last night - quote and reply to posts that don't mean much of anything towards solving the game. Not sure its more than null for Wombat in one way or the other.

AJ said he had a gut feeling about womby, IIRC.

 

Last night Yates might have had a few that weren't much toward the gamesolve, but he also had several after that were prodding and imo were contributing to gamesolve, so why the misrep, here? I'm feeling hella good about Yatesy right now. Especially after his posts today.

 

Wombat's though were ALL fluff. Like I mentioned a page or so back, it makes me wary because this is exactly how he started the last game I was in with him - where we were on a scum team together.

 

I recognize that I have a job to do. Do you think I'm not doing it?

If your job is posting funny gifs, then I do think you are slacking just a tad.

 

 

You're right about AJ.  Gut feeling that Wombat got worked over by RNGesus.  I think AJ's sounded pretty good this far and I like that he's going against the grain a bit with the Wombat vote, but I'm not sure I would follow him there at this point.  I need to more content to judge Wombat on than his quotes.

 

Not sure how you feel I misrepped Yates at all?  He absolutely quoted and replied to a handful of posts last night, and I don't see an argument for any of them being alignment indicative until he finally got back to me about Nyn.  If you felt any of his posts before he directly asked me about her were prodding, I don't know what you're seeing.  The closest thing to actual solving was his post towards Shad about quote clipping, which I don't think means anything for Yates' alignment or Shad's.

 

 

I feel like I already answered this? I'll give you that Yates had several in a row that were fluffy last night, but then he had a bunch that were actually relevant to the game/gamesolve. Your first quote above is a misrep because you lead into the comment about Yates by saying that you find Wombat's multiquotes worthless... Yates did the same thing last night. Implying that he never got to anything about the game when in fact literally 14 minutes after he posted fluff, he started posting game stuff.

 

As far as "any of his posts before" he got back to you about Nyn - what does this have to do with anything? I never mentioned Nyn and in your first quote above neither did you. You implied that he NEVER got around to it.

 

 

[v]Wombat[/v]

 

Seems people are starting to echo my thoughts here.

 

Need to leave for work now, I'll try to peek at the thread throughout the day if I get the chance.

 

Gross.  More probable than not you are generally aware that I'm town.

 

 

I am having a hard time understanding this as it's worded. Are you implying that AJ is scum?

 

*snipped*

 

You must have missed my stuff with Zander, Laine, and Hally then.  Regardless, the number of people trying to read me off of supposed fluff is interesting to say the least.

I went back and looked. I'll concede that at this point in the game you did have a few points about Zander.

 

I see a vote on Laine .....for leaving her vote on the "best hydra ever". How is a joke vote anything but fluff?

 

I didn't see anything about Hally except one quote that you said was silly.

 

 

Regarding AJ, I was just doing some standard Deflategate trolling.  Null on him.  Regarding Laine, my joke votes are never fluff.  They are always reaction tests of some sort.  Didn't get much from Laine on that one because she's basically doubling down on LAH, but I did get something from Zander.  He called my vote a "bad look" which was pretty ridiculous imo.  And yeah, I called Hally silly because she was being silly.  Keep in mind that much of this was very early, where I use even seemingly trivial interactions to get some reads started.

[WWWwombat]

 

 

*snipped*

 

Wait, really?

 

You (seemingly) voted AJ due to anger carried over from another game.  It had nothing to do with this one.

 

Laine is (seemingly) using her hydra position to try and figure out this game.  But obviously her position on LAH needs to change with evidence/reads, so she needs to have some kind of progression.  Otherwise it's a poor excuse for play.

 

Why shouldn't that apply equally to Kiv's vote?

 

What do you mean?

 

Like if Kiv abandons his AJ vote, which he just did, why does it matter anymore?

 

It doesn't. At the time, he hadn't - though I can't remember if this was before or after Mish unvoted. And his voting AJ due to something in a different game IS different than Laine using LAH to help solve this game. Though it's gambling with RNGesus, I can see a point in choosing to lynch from the hydra list in the beginning (8 is smaller than 20) makes sense for THIS game. Kiv voting AJ due to a different game did nothing for this one.

 

But he's obviously moved on, so this is moot - why bring it up?

 

*snipped*

 

Do you want my cell phone?  I haven't destroyed it yet.

 

Depends. Does is still have the glittery pink backing?

 

I mean sometimes it's a bowl of stupid flakes but I'll take that over the bland oatmeal I'm getting

 

This is amazing.

 

 

 

 

 

I brought it up because others didn't seem to have moved on.  They still haven't as far as I can tell.

[WWWwombat]

And I was trying to figure out whether or not you were one of those, Key.

[Lenlo]

 

 

Caught up. at last.

 

3 of the top 4 posters are in a hydra...thought you couldn't post much, which is why you are in a hydra. H8u all :p

 

Clov - don't like the nitpicking of the Kivam/Pral, don't agree about voting one half of a hydra, takes just one to screw up. Can't pass BFG neither. Could votee here

 

@ Wombat - Why me and Hally along with Zander?

 

Wish - love her questioning, would now like some thoughts on who she thinks maybe wolf

 

@ Sili - the reason of the Meh - at the end of reading yesterday, you had posted a fair bit, but couldn't pick anything major out and no feelings either way. Will need to reread you. Why did you vote Darthe and then unvote and vote Kivam?

 

Cory - don't get the stuff on AJ, need to read on that, believe Clov disagreed with you.

 

Lenlo - Why AJ and Zander?

Reading through both give me gut bad feelings. Add to that the fact that they both interacted with a good amount of people and they make for a good lynch for this early in D1 unless something else happens. I chose Zander over AJ cause he had more posts and interactions. Im gonna try and reread and get some actual examples of why they feel bad to me today/tomorrow.

 

 

I don't see the interactions with a lot of people that you're getting from AJ.  But if you use that criterion, shouldn't Kiv/Mish be a candidate up there too?  Difference being, you said that Kiv/Mish haven't left you with bad feelings the way that Zander/Seph and AJ have.  But you didn't really explain what you gave you the bad feelings from AJ.  And you don't even mention Zander and Seph at all.  It looks to me like you're throwing a vote on for no reason.

Sorry for being gone. I had to move to a new apartment, which was on the top floor with no elevator. Ugh. Then I had to get wifi setup which sucked, but I named it Bill Wi the Science Fi so that amused me. Then I ate a ham sandwich on sourdough and caught up. Prepare to read sandwich thoughts.

 

 

This is sketchy to me. How is this a helpful observation?

 

 

Also something to note is that Pral wasn't the only player that hadn't checked in at the time either.  So it's interesting that Kivam singles him out.

I actually didn't think about that.  I'd have to check to see who else hadn't posted yet, but this could be a very helpful observation for later.

 

 

Add-in: Cory also noticed this and I agree. Please explain how/give an example how this means anything beyond Random.

 

For the sole purpose of aggravating people. People do stupid stuff when annoyed. Also its funny.

 

 

I hate when people do this. Do you share an account with someone else? Is this an anonymous chatroom? Like wtf why sign your post? I can see it comes from you it's right next to your userpic and profile info. WHY!?!?

Im confused. Im gonna crash. Sort this out before I wake up plox.

 

-Len

 

 

Please actually post something and dont just disappear.

A bit late to the party but here nevertheless.

 

Catching up on the game !

 

Sup Salami. Please do.

Wassup. I be back in an hour.

 

 

 

 

Wow, a few new faces and a whole lot of people in this game. Counting the hydras, it is 28 people !! Thankfully, the number of pages this game has been manageable so far

 

Anyway,

 

Well, Sili bringing up the town/scum list in page 5 seems very weird. Looks a bit forced to me.

 

But then, Sili has a way of doing something weird everygame and I usually end up tunneling him. Hope that is not the case here

 

Technically, this logic applies only if you are planning to vote blind the entire game. People make informed choices. Even if it is D1, there are some stuff people base their votes on. So, I don't generally agree with this argument.

 

This whole conversation was out of the place.

 

I guess you did not see anything better, since your vote is still on them. I understand the whole things that happened afterwards, but did not see your reaction in the later parts of the game. Looks somewhat like you have parked your vote on them and happy with where you are.

 

Between the Kiv sass and Mish's defensiveness, that is the way to go for now until I see anything better.

 

 

Vote: Kiv/Mish

Heh, well played Yates. I bet even the Egyptians did not have anything as large as this

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/95247-advanced-the-usual-suspects-mafia-day-1/page-10?do=findComment&comment=3527278

 

1. Scum. I like lying, simple as that :)

2. Usually alone. Being not in the majority timezone, gets difficult to be on when most of the people are free

3. Usually a late game player. I hate D1. Am usually better when the number of people playing reduces

4. Couple of years. Started in this iste and have played all games here

5. Town/Scum. In with the crowd !

That was Prals catchup post in the spoils. I liked it. He said he would come back with a post and he came back with a post. A good post imo. Pral is good for now.

 

+1

Just so everyone knows, this is why I hate big games.

I'm constantly in catchup mode and have no idea what's what, who's who, or what is going on.

I hope this game has a lot of guns in it.

 

We make that mistake with you all the time, cut him some slack.

I think you are making the pretty grand mistake of assuming Zander knows the meanings of the words he uses

 

Population me. I quoted this so I could also respond to Razen.

 

I think it's kind of interesting that Wombat pulled up the post count when he was towards the bottom end of that list.  I'm not sure what the point he was trying to make is, but it seems odd that it comes from the same end of the list that people tend to look unfavorably at.

 

But it does bring me to my next observation.  People that I've seen pretty much only fluff from.  Or rather, person.  That's Lenlo.  He did say that he was moving, to be fair, but I would still have hoped to see more when he was here.

The point I was making is that people are posting too much.  Also, welcome to Lenloville.

 

Dude, there wasnt much going on before I had to start packing and getting ready to move. Once I initiated that process I was basically out of commission for 2 days, with some light reading while packing. Im back now though. And Bill the WiFi works.

 

Who is the best lynch for the day Clov

I know you didnt ask me, but I wanna answer to. ATM I am thinking either Zander/Seph or AJ. Both have interacted with a good number of people so we can get information from all that, and both have also left me with bad feelings. I will try to go back and get specific examples in the future, but im taking a shower after this post so it will have to wait.

 

 

I'm not asking you to force reads

I'm saying you are treating this whole game as a job and you don't seem to want to relax and mess around and have fun. You have seemed so NATURAL as a villager in your past few games, and here it's "well everyone expects me to make a reads posts so I'm going to and then I'm done with my time here"

 

IF YOU DON'T WANT THIS GAME TO BE A JOB FOR PEOPLE THEN MAYBE YOU SHOULD POST LESS

 

PREACH IT WOMBY. CHURCH OF THE BAT(man?)

 

 

#INFP gonna #INFP

 

You shouldn't be readings posts that I spoiler for specific people anyway

 

HONOR RULES

I like this approach.  Spoiler for townies only:

 

 

if you read this, quote it and say so in spoiler tags of your own.  Game over, scum!

 

 

 

 

I didnt read it.

 

 

 

 

 

I am okay with Kiv/Mish atm. They dont strike me as all that bad. Both seem confrontational and that seems expected for both of them imo. Not sayin they are LOCK CLEAR FOO, but I am leaning towards not scum.

 

[unvote][v]Zander/Seph[/v]

 

As I said previously, I think they or AJ are good lunchs for the day.

 

 

 

 

Len, can I assume that you quoting posts from today means you're all caught up?

I have caught up yes, though it was largely skimming. I hope to go back at some point to reread when im not tired.

 

 

Cool.  Can you show me where you mentioned AJ before, because I can't seem to find it.  Also would love to hear your take on this.

 

 

 

Reads would depend on what else happened in the game, but I ABSOLUTELY would be looking at Pral more closely to see if he's a viable teammate.  

 

Oh JFC okay I wasn't processing what you said correctly and didn't figure out what you were implying

Okay I understand

 

 

I dont think I did mention AJ before. Did something I said make you think I had?

 

That looks fine to me. Again, I dont think it makes Pral any more or less likely to be scum, but if that makes you want to look at him more closely/with more scrutiny go for it. If you were to try and push a lunch on Pral only because of the Kiv thing, I would have to shoot it down and call it a scummy push. If your just using it to look closer at him though thats fine.

 

But when Clov asked you about why you had AJ on your want to lynch list, you shot him down and denied mentioning him before when you posted twice in your catch-up that you wouldn't mind an AJ lynch.  You're deliberately dodging the question.  Not a good move, imo.  I have the same question, and I want to see it answered.  Because it looks like Lenlo is just name-spewing without anything to actually back himself up.  Making a very easy vote at this point, because lots of other people have voted for Zander/Seph.  Vote: Lenlo.

 

I had more here, but apparently it won't let me post because there's too many quotes.

 

 

So reading this was fun cause the quotes are bonked. Clov only asked me when did I mention AJ before that post, not why I had him on the list.

 

Can you rephrase that entire bolded section though cause it doesnt make much sense to me. Im not dodging any question. At worst I missed a question, but based on those quotes I didnt. In the same line as when he asked where I mentioned AJ before, he asks my opinion on the quote that follows it, because I said I found his point on Kiv/Pral to be questionable. Looks to me like your accusing me of dodging something that was never thrown.

 

As I said in that catch up, at the time I had just finished moving in and fixing a computer so I skimmed to catch up. If you people wouldnt past 25 pages in a day, I wouldnt have to skim. Im going to try and look for actual examples today/tomorrow. As I said if you had read it.

 

Heres my question I would like answered. If you had more, why didnt you post it in a second post? Why just leave it at that? "Oh Razen has more so it must be a good case" except that more was never provided. Plox give more.

 

Ok, you addressed the point I wanted to see on why Zander over AJ, but you haven't really shown why you've reached that conclusion yet.  I do want you to answer that part, but as you said, it's incoming, so I'll be looking forward to that to help me read you better.  I think I combined the question I had for you (why Zander over AJ) with Clov's question of where you had last mentioned AJ thanks to the fun formatting issues, so that is a fair point.  Basically, the bold question I wanted you to answer was your response to Talya.

 

And the second part of the post was not related to you directly, I had gone back and looked at AJ because you'd mentioned that you saw something that you hadn't liked.  I did not want to have to dig back through to pull everything back up since I was short on time and couldn't remember all the page numbers I needed.  I can go back and redo that when I get the chance to, but it basically was just me going through and picking out most of his reads and liking most of them - except the one about Wombat.  I need the quotes to explain myself better, so I'm off to pull them.  Again.

 

Thanks for responding. Im glad I could answer the question, even if on accident. :P

 

Didnt mean to be as snarky with that second half though. There was no breakfast food in the apartment yet :( I went and bought cereal today.

 

 

IT is pretty obvious what Zander is talking about. I find it lol that people even bothered to nitpick it.

 

Care to enlighten us nitpickers?

 

 

Also, Lenlo getting involved on D1 is a pleasant surprise.

 

Yes, please do enlighten us.

 

Hey man, this is new Len after like a 6 month break. I wanna try and not be trash.

[Nolder]

Alright well doesn't look like anything is going on.

Gonna go back to sleep later.

[Zander?]

AJ- I need to see some more of.  i have no idea:

Clov/BFG-  Cant read Clov.  BFG usually pretty clear towny atp.  im not seeing it yet.

Nolder/Darthe-????

Wish- Stil looking pretty towny

Wombo- Same with AJ.

Yates- Looking good

Cory'Key- Ive had no problems here.

Talya- Havent seen her usual self. null

John Snow- I always think he's scummy...lolololol par for the course.

[alannalynn]

Okay I'm starting at page 20 from where I posted #390 and going to the top of page 39 at #761

 
#400 This seems off to me (kiv's comment); I think I've only seen Pral as town and he's always a low poster, but has good reads. Does that mean when he's mafia that he posts pretty much nothing the entire game? lol That may be a problem. (stance explained in 421, Kiv has only played in game with Pral as scum)
 

 

Not my intent.  I only played with him as scum, at least that I remember, so that's all I know.  But I'm not a fan of lurkers of any alignment, so prodding for content is part of my D1 play anyway.  I'd point you to AJ's Pulp Fiction game where I did the same thing ... but I was scum there, so that's not all that helpful anyway

 
If you only played with him as scum, then you shouldn't be using meta. You clearly said that as scum he lurks. That's the basis of your vote. Only he is a low content poster regardless of his alignment. Whether you approve of low content players or not is irreverent.
 
You didn't place a vote for reaction. You placed a vote, while characterizing his absence as scummy.

 

Nyn, this is exactly why I don't like meta as it is used.
 
#440 Darthe ain't even read the thread but he's tossing out reads? How does this work dude?
#451 "Hydracism" Cool.
 
Last few posts of Darthe's have been rather jokey instead of adding to the Sili/Kivam back and forth or, well, anything.
 

 

 

 

 

@Nyna: So, are you going to answer my question seriously now?

 
You could technically read old games to get a grasp on meta, but considering the sheer amount of players in this game, it would take ages and I wouldn't recommend it. I think meta is used a lot more on D1. Once the games progresses, cases shift more towards content and less on meta. So it won't be such a gap going forward. As for now.... if someone mentions a player's meta and absolutely no one disputes it, you can more or less rely on it, IMO.

 

How is that supposed to help us if we are new here? D1 isn't all about meta though as it's a new time to force new reads on a totally different game.

 

I like you.
 
Unfortunately, mafia on DM is primarily meta driven lately.  It's silly, since half the time people get the meta wrong (for instance, I've basically been scum my last few games here and few people have played with me as town, so stuff I do all the time is likely to get meta'd as "that's what you do as scum!") and the better players can keep their meta consistent across alignments anyway.  Just make reads and judiciously factor in any meta commentary you do get, and you'll be fine

 

I see. I just find it odd that she was suggesting reading a whole game instead of like interact with people in thread.

 

Ew Celeste, don't like this assumption. You're throwing Nyn's comment in a bad light by suggesting it like that. I don't like how this post is worded at all. LOL Nyn's response $470
 
#480 Shad/Z agree Mish's response to my LAH overreaction
#485 This post is cute
#491 Zander, if you're a gemini, we can't be friends because I'm capricorn and apparently they don't mesh very well together. I'm sorry.
 
And to answer why the Zander-Alanna town reading: Zander has responded how I expect him to thus far, so I have a town read on him. Anything less and I wouldn't have one. Townie support system, ftw? lol
 

 

 

 

You might as well choose 8 other random slots and focus on eliminating through them first. There is no logic in choosnig hydras specifically first. If you're gonna try and lynch me, do it on my actions, not because I'm hydra or have a odd-numbered slot or whatever. It's just an excuse for setting up lynches and I really don't ffeel it.

Overreaction?

 

 
Mish overreacts a lot in games. It's kinda null for her. It's more Kivam's content that's giving me pause right now.

 

 
I dont have any mets on Mish but it seemed like an overreaction to me but Ill take your meta knowledge into consideration dear Nyn.  Also agree with not being a fan of Kiv's posts thus far/

 

Question on Mish meta: would Mish under-react (for lack of a better term) as mafia or would the reaction be the same/more? I'm curious how to get good read on her if she's pinging already with that overreaction and I don't want to miss something because of it.
 

 

Here's what you need to know about my meta: I'm emotional and angsty and tend to get emo, I also like to set up traps that no-one else sees are traps so I usually end up getting lots of heat, and my schemes always end up biting me in the ass. Also, if I think I've caught scum I will usually go into full tunnel. Generally, I'm a mess!

 
I think we can relate to something here!

 

 
#515 Wish, not to toot my own horn, but those are the only two games I kinda played okay in. The rest are all crap imo LOL Also your siggy is so CUTE
 

[v]Seph[/v]
 

Hally, I think that means you have to a
Stay and share.
Hally,real quick. Are you town?

And kiv, grudges man... they don't belong in this game. If your town, I don't want any clouded judgement, or a vendetta here.
all it does is cloud things up.for the whole game, so please please dont...

 
I honestly can't explain why this stood out to me as scummy, but this post just sounds awkward and completely unnatural to me.  
 
I don't care at all about Kivam's policy lynching of AJ or Laine policy lynching a hydra, in regards to their alignments.  Both voiced their gripes before the game started, and them actually "following through" (I use that term lightly) is no more likely to come from mafia than town IMO.  What I do care about IRT to Kiv is his vote on Pralaya, who is notoriously quiet as any alignment.  The fact he's only seen Pral as mafia makes it kind of fit, but then why vote at all?  
 
I didn't like Mish seemingly taking exception to Alanna's hydra efforts - and acting like she was being singled out - but her response to Laine sounded pretty good to me. 
 
Sili's discussion with Kivam actually makes me feel pretty good about him.  His response about the ambiguous words is something I actually see Town!Sili arguing, and it wouldn't be the first time that his posts suggest one thing and it's completely different than what he's actually thinking.
 
I like Hallia's activity, and she's already putting herself out there more than she did in Harry Potter.  I disagree with the reasoning of her vote, but her answer to my question wasn't bad and she actually seems to press the issue further.  

/snip

 

Woah. Hold up there Clov. Kivam's vote on Andrej was for a grudge. My LAH spiel isn't me "policy lynching" anyone and it's not just me arbitrarily voting hydras for lynches. I think there IS some method to judging the hydras and singling ALL of them out as a group. One being all these fudging posts. I'm about 30(?) pages behind right now because there are 28 people in the game, 30 including the mods. I almost dropped out of the game because of all the hydras that joined because I didn't think I would be able to keep up. So now we have all these hydras and twice as many heads to look at in each slot to catch slip ups. Besides that, taking out one hydra cuts out two posters each. You, and others, are acting like there is no reason for me being focused in on these heads when there are more chances to find inconsistencies than there are elsewhere.

At the same time, that doesn't give me a pass to ignore the rest of the game at all and I have no intentions of doing so once I'm caught up.

Second point: re Mish: How can you both not like Mish's reaction but like her response? Explain more on this please

#581 I completely agree with Clov here. There was no reason for Kiv to bring up meta to bring out Pral, that's just asking for a reaction imo
 
#582 BFG's reads list. Mostly null on BFG here since this is normal for her, just less detailed, I'll leave it up to this being a large game. (I'm not caught up yet... )
 

 

Nyn - what about Kivam's content did you not like?

 
What caught my eye at first was the way he was supporting Laine's hydra hate campaign. Some others agreed with her as well (like Zander, wind and so on), but he went about it differently. Obviously I think the whole theory is a bunch of BS because it's 100% arbitrary (oh look, I used percentage so it must be true!). But the way he was trying to make it more than what it is, using mathematical certainty, reeks.
 
I didn't realize at that point that he and Mish are hydra, and I kinda liked how she was standing her ground, but looking at the interaction between them now... it looks awkward. I mean, sure, she gets defensive at anything. But then he explains to her how it totally does make sense (which it doesn't)... and she bows to his everlasting wisdom and backs off? Considering how strongly she felt about the entire thing?  Feels off.
 
But what really struck a chord with me was his reasoning for voting Pral. He dismissed my comments about it, but it's right there. He was trying to misrep Pral. It's great that he only played with him as scum.... but he can't make an accusation based on meta if he doesn't know Pral's overall meta. His responses ranged between.... oh I only played with him as scum so that's all I know.... to him claiming that his vote was just made for reaction since Pral hasn't checked in yet. Which I don't really buy. He could have dropped a nudge vote for activity rather than use a bogus meta reason for that vote.

 

^
 

Unfortunately there's probably a good chance I should have let that read develop before talking about it since if nothing else Clov can talk his way out of most things for a long time and I don't like giving people time to correct things they might not pay attention to about themselves in active games before things are ultimately decided
 
But lord knows I have trouble shutting my mouth

LOL at you shutting your mouth
 
pg 32/33 Note: Little thrown off by Cory prodding the BFG half about how she interacts as mafia. You've claimed to be able to read Clov really well, so where are you at with that slot? (Zander/Shad later comment on this and add Cory as town)
 
#655 Cory please don't take this tone of post with me around.
 

I am reactive. Been taking fire all game and just don't have much WiM at the moment. Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk

 
#671 NOLDER HI re: my hydra post: A) what's wrong with me narrowing down my POE to 8 slots? B) how did it work as a conversation starter?
 
#673 Dice calls out me promoting killing some game bloat, but I'm perpetually 30 pages behind so... ???
 

what happened to your fixation on hydras?

I'll get back to this man, calm yourself
 
#723 Yeah, hate to mention this Mish, but you can't really call people out for people being unable to keep up when part of the bloat is due to the hydras being in the game. I can't even get through this catch up without avoiding sleep and I don't have anyone to ping reads and thoughts off of. I feel like every time I make a dent, suddenly 5 pages are added. Yates beat me to this #726
 

/snip
Difference between the two, Zander commits to a vote on Kivam/Mish later on in the thread.  He piggybacks Sili to do so, but he has a reason.  Laine just seems to be egging it on, but not really wanting to commit to it herself.  Her vote's also been parked on Nolder and Darthe for a while.  It leads me to believe that she hasn't left the lynch all hydras thing.  If I recall, it's why people were pushing Kivam because Laine's was game related and his wasn't.  But Kiv/Mish have progressed beyond that, while Laine hasn't yet.  Which given that we're now into the content-phase of Day 1 is somewhat alarming.

@Razen: Wasn't really committing to anything there, just liking the vote after Mish came off as defensive and negative toward my LAH stance and Kiv reigned her in. Yes. My vote is parked. I haven't had a chance to moved it yet because I'm EXTREMELY behind.

 

 

[unvote]

Okay. I think I've complained enough about being so very behind; it's actually extremely frustrating for me. And I'm probably not going to catch up to here today right now because I actually should go to bed eventually. What's currently going on?

[WWWwombat]

I also dont understand why Im getting flack for my read of Kiv's emo stuff when IM NOT the only one doing so??  if its something else please let me know.  ive also listed other reasons for my vote so im not getting it,

 

Also if I missed anything directed at me please let me know.

 

You called a post AtE when it clearly wasn't.  When pressed on it, you gave some lame excuse about meaning to quote his previous posts.  An excuse I don't buy.  Furthermore, adding in Kiv's statement that his emo-fest was a gambit and that you still haven't let up on him for it as far as I can tell, this looks even more like you are ignoring some very pertinent details.  It's like you found an easy narrative for Kiv (that he's emo and therefore scum) and locked it in.  That doesn't look to me like the behavior of a townie trying to find scum.  That looks to me like the behavior of mafia trying to find a townie who is playing poorly and is therefore a lynch target.

[WWWwombat]

 

 

 

.....Because half a meta is completely useless.

Because I (apparently incorrectly) assumed you would know not to bring up half a meta, unless you were using it for justification.

 

I apologize.  I shouldn't have expected you to know that all of a meta is also completely useless, unless you're dealing with a crap player, in which case it's useful but also unnecessary.  So we're both at fault for assuming things.

 

....Calm down, yo?

 

 

like im not the only one seeing this and commenting on it.  #ZanderDerp but wth am i missing??!!!

 

 

Still pushing the emo angle.  GJGE.