[Advanced] The Usual Suspects Mafia - GAME OVER - COPS WIN

[Sili Quirrels]

Reminds me of how u tackled whats his face in toms game last year.

[Sili Quirrels]

Town

Nyn

Cory

 

Light town

Pral

Aj

Yates

[Talya]

Catching up

 

 

Checked back in, read to mid-45, and going to post my first real vote of the game before getting back to work.  I really don't like the way [v]Unvote. Vote:Zander[/v] interacted with me, and particularly the misrep with respect to AtE.  And yes, I did deliberately wait for other people to call it out before acting on it; given the reactions I was getting, it was likely to be dismissed as spin if it just came from me.  Zander, you didn't answer Celeste, or Talya, but maybe you'll answer me and a vote: what did you see in my post as AtE?

 

 

I answered this already.

 

*snip*

 

^Clearly doesn't know Nyn very well.

 

 

 

But i really do though

 

 

You may have answered it since this post. But I haven't seen where you did before. In a game this big, people miss stuff. Try being helpful and townie and answer. Repeat your answers if need be. Adding a joke post in with this is height of laziness and avoidance of the question.
 

[Talya]

 

Except you didn't.  You reached back to my early game posts - where I was faking emo to win an argument with Shad about the advisability of using emo as a towntell - and said nothing at all about the actual post that you called an appeal to emotion.  What people are looking for is an explanation of why you thought that post (not other posts, that one) "appealed to emotion".  Can you provide one?

 

it along with other posts continued to ping me as AtE, whining rage.  a full spectrum of poor me posts. i meant these not this but w/e.  ive tried to explain my thought process out.  somethings not sitting right with your slot. (ive mentioned other reasons as well: Pral vote, no casing, some of Mish's reactions.)

 

i hope this is better.

 

 

Now you have answered, still not seeing what you are seeing and it niggles at me.

 

[alannalynn]

Okay. Work is done until Sunday. I can read now. Apologies for being absent; I fully intended to catch up yesterday until sleep took over. So here's my do over. lol May take a bit though, but I have coffee <3 WHY Y'ALL GOTTA POST SO MUCH THO?

[Kivam]

OK, I feel like I've gotten very wrapped up in this one back and forth.  I'm going to take a step back, reread the thread over the weekend, and see if I can generate some broader thoughts.

 

Keep in mind that I won't be around once Shabbos starts, so you may not see me again until Saturday night

[Zander?]

 

cause i thought i did answer your question....numerous times as i mentioned.  dude just stop.  you know if you had i dont know....tried to game solve, build cases and give reads instead of creating this plague of stupidity with your "fake emo reveal test bs" and trying to stroke your ego  this Thread would be in a much better state.

Do you want to lynch him?

 

 

gonna let seph look at it with a fresh set of eyes man. like not sure if its backtracking or not. i have also had other things here that have pinged me form this slos.  thus far seems like the best bet.  but i also need to go over some others as well

[Zander?]

ebwop:

 

slots not slos....the spelling and typing is hard...

[Talya]

Caught up. at last.

 

3 of the top 4 posters are in a hydra...thought you couldn't post much, which is why you are in a hydra. H8u all :p

 

Clov - don't like the nitpicking of the Kivam/Pral, don't agree about voting one half of a hydra, takes just one to screw up. Can't pass BFG neither. Could votee here

 

@ Wombat - Why me and Hally along with Zander?

 

Wish - love her questioning, would now like some thoughts on who she thinks maybe wolf

 

@ Sili - the reason of the Meh - at the end of reading yesterday, you had posted a fair bit, but couldn't pick anything major out and no feelings either way. Will need to reread you. Why did you vote Darthe and then unvote and vote Kivam?

 

Cory - don't get the stuff on AJ, need to read on that, believe Clov disagreed with you.

 

Lenlo - Why AJ and Zander?

[michellem]

Catching up from page 45. Sorry for just disappearing last night, I had a major headache keeping me from using the computer.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wish - a. may return as true, but if so, I don't know about it.  The only other truly dedicated lurker in this game (based on my experience) is Hallia, and she was already actively posting (and had recently said she was making an effort to be more active).  Keep in mind what I said earlier - I have a lot of mafia experience, but not with most of these players (there's a reason Wombat said he didn't buy my emo headfake, but pretty much everyone else did ... he's played with me for years).  So wrt most of this game's players, asking me if they usually lurk as scum makes as much sense as asking you if they do.  I just don't know the answer.

Got it. *nod nod*

What you say here seems genuine. Why did you emo headfake? I don't understand that.

 

Because in my last game (the one I just accidentally self-lynched in), Shad and I got into an argument about the utility of using emo as a towntell.  I said it could be faked, started to fake it but didn't carry it through, and he said "well, I didn't believe it anyway".

 

And since I'm an INTP, I took that as a challenge

 

Pretty sure I won the argument; so if it gets me lynched in this game, it was still worth it

=/

 

you accused zander of misrepping you because he used the word emo.

 

Just think of it as before reveal and after reveal.

 

Posts that were before reveal were fake-emo, believably so

 

Posts after were not, and visibly not.

 

Zander took an "after" post and called it an emo AtE to justify maintaining a vote on me.  Of course, it's possible he just missed the reveal, but even so I want to know what in that post he considered an appeal to emotion.  He's never said.

 

I also asked him 2 questions in my unvote post about how he was reading and responding to the thread - he seemed to be doing a linear catch up read with live responses as he went; I asked if that was true and if he'd been doing that when he made the AtE post.  If he was, it makes the "missed the reveal" defense less plausible.  And he ignored those questions.

 

cause i thought i did answer your question....numerous times as i mentioned.  dude just stop.  you know if you had i dont know....tried to game solve, build cases and give reads instead of creating this plague of stupidity with your "fake emo reveal test bs" and trying to stroke your ego  this Thread would be in a much better state.

This sort of looks like back tracking which I have seen scum do on my home site but it could also be a null tell. What do you think of your accusers?

 

i was thinking the same tbh.

 

i dont get it but it is what it is.

[Zander?]

Catching up, on page 55

 

I still haven't seen scum from Zander, I don't see what people are voting him for o.O

 

I am ok with ClovFG at the moment.

 

I really like Wish's posting style!  I feel a kindred spirit there

 

Continuing on.

 

me neither imo

 

wanna re read them.  BFG hasnt seemed like her usual full fledged town self yet.  but its a huge game with a ton of posts and shes hydra.  clov is clov...i have 0 idea how to read him, so wanna look into them,

 

me too and i can can see that....lolololololol

[Talya]

Was planning on doing a big WOT catch-up style post, but after reading ~30 something pages and seeing that I had less than 20 posts I wanted to actually comment on, I'll forego that and just take a big consciousness dump ITT. Most topics have been touched on and repeated enough that I don't feel the need to add anything - so I'll try to bring some fresh points to the thread.

 

Shad's joke vote on Seph early on reminds me of how he started in the Belichick game, which is cool considering our synergy in that one. I had some more of his stuff quoted in the queue before I wiped them all that I liked as well. His comments towards Hallia/wish-tree are pretty villagery and carry that sort of uncanny poise he has for a newer player. Good vibes from him thus far.

 

Wish-Tree strikes me as a Hallia.2 in the first few pages of the game. Don't know what that means yet but it's the impression I got, so there you have it.

 

Hallia and Nyn are passing the eyeball test so far. Halli's coming out strong against Kiv and I think her reaction to his whining is good in the sense that she's an emotive player and I would expect her to react that way to that sort of thing. Nyn's sharpness came out once she got past her intro catch-up. She's picking up on the details I think she would as town regarding Kiv's Pral vote, and the responses to Celeste/wish-tree are the amusingly blunt type we all know and love.

 

Wombat's OP at a glance makes me think the randomizing wasn't so good to him, more gut than anything. Wanna see him get more involved once things picked up more beyond the catch up style posts.

 

Zander/Seph/Laine seem to doing that townie circle jerk thing they like to do - we'll see how that progresses. Zander is easy going but I'll be looking for when he starts to make cases after our last game together where he got by a lot on being 'Zander'. Don't really have an opinion regarding Laine picking up Mynd's torch, the stance itself is null but we'll see where she goes with it. Not much about Seph stuck out to me beyond him reiterating a lot that he really likes wish-tree/Celeste.

 

Kivish slot giving me some troubles atm. I basically hate Kivam's approach this game, first with me and then later with Pral and the subsequent backtracking, but Mish feels pretty genuine with how she's reacting to things ITT. Wouldn't really have thought Mish would be the redeeming quality for them (no offense) but if they weren't paired I would support a Kiv wagon at this point.

Bolded: What are thoughts now on Zander?

 

Is your view on Kivam tinted by the other game?

 

You really like Nyn, what do you think of her opinion on Mish?

[Talya]

[v]Wombat[/v]

 

Seems people are starting to echo my thoughts here.

 

Need to leave for work now, I'll try to peek at the thread throughout the day if I get the chance.

 

At this point I can see no thoughts on Wombat - what are they? Which people?

[Talya]

Quickly before I arrive at Sea World for the day:

 

@Mish - Call it more a better fundamental understanding of how he operates. I'm not looking to give him an out and he can explain for himself, which he may have already and I missed it. It's just something I could see him doing and added it to give you some insight. Seph should probably already know that, ftr.

 

@Clov/Zander - more of hunch/gut read atm. His OP and posts thus far just read to me like scumBat does. You could say it's a prod, sure, but I am mildly suspicious until he picks it up.

 

You have sort of answered here...what are your thoughts now? Which others were having gut reads, here you say more of a prod.

[Razen]

I don't see the interactions with a lot of people that you're getting from AJ.  But if you use that criterion, shouldn't Kiv/Mish be a candidate up there too?  Difference being, you said that Kiv/Mish haven't left you with bad feelings the way that Zander/Seph and AJ have.  But you didn't really explain what you gave you the bad feelings from AJ.  And you don't even mention Zander and Seph at all.  It looks to me like you're throwing a vote on for no reason.

Sorry for being gone. I had to move to a new apartment, which was on the top floor with no elevator. Ugh. Then I had to get wifi setup which sucked, but I named it Bill Wi the Science Fi so that amused me. Then I ate a ham sandwich on sourdough and caught up. Prepare to read sandwich thoughts.

 

 

This is sketchy to me. How is this a helpful observation?

 

 

Also something to note is that Pral wasn't the only player that hadn't checked in at the time either.  So it's interesting that Kivam singles him out.

I actually didn't think about that.  I'd have to check to see who else hadn't posted yet, but this could be a very helpful observation for later.

 

 

Add-in: Cory also noticed this and I agree. Please explain how/give an example how this means anything beyond Random.

 

For the sole purpose of aggravating people. People do stupid stuff when annoyed. Also its funny.

 

 

I hate when people do this. Do you share an account with someone else? Is this an anonymous chatroom? Like wtf why sign your post? I can see it comes from you it's right next to your userpic and profile info. WHY!?!?

Im confused. Im gonna crash. Sort this out before I wake up plox.

 

-Len

 

 

Please actually post something and dont just disappear.

A bit late to the party but here nevertheless.

 

Catching up on the game !

 

Sup Salami. Please do.

Wassup. I be back in an hour.

 

 

 

 

Wow, a few new faces and a whole lot of people in this game. Counting the hydras, it is 28 people !! Thankfully, the number of pages this game has been manageable so far

Anyway,
 

Well, Sili bringing up the town/scum list in page 5 seems very weird. Looks a bit forced to me.

But then, Sili has a way of doing something weird everygame and I usually end up tunneling him. Hope that is not the case here
 

Technically, this logic applies only if you are planning to vote blind the entire game. People make informed choices. Even if it is D1, there are some stuff people base their votes on. So, I don't generally agree with this argument.

This whole conversation was out of the place.
 

I guess you did not see anything better, since your vote is still on them. I understand the whole things that happened afterwards, but did not see your reaction in the later parts of the game. Looks somewhat like you have parked your vote on them and happy with where you are.

Between the Kiv sass and Mish's defensiveness, that is the way to go for now until I see anything better.
 
 
Vote: Kiv/Mish

Heh, well played Yates. I bet even the Egyptians did not have anything as large as this

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/95247-advanced-the-usual-suspects-mafia-day-1/page-10?do=findComment&comment=3527278
 

1. Scum. I like lying, simple as that :)
2. Usually alone. Being not in the majority timezone, gets difficult to be on when most of the people are free
3. Usually a late game player. I hate D1. Am usually better when the number of people playing reduces
4. Couple of years. Started in this iste and have played all games here
5. Town/Scum. In with the crowd !

That was Prals catchup post in the spoils. I liked it. He said he would come back with a post and he came back with a post. A good post imo. Pral is good for now.

 

+1

Just so everyone knows, this is why I hate big games.

I'm constantly in catchup mode and have no idea what's what, who's who, or what is going on.

I hope this game has a lot of guns in it.

 

We make that mistake with you all the time, cut him some slack.

I think you are making the pretty grand mistake of assuming Zander knows the meanings of the words he uses

 

Population me. I quoted this so I could also respond to Razen.

 

I think it's kind of interesting that Wombat pulled up the post count when he was towards the bottom end of that list.  I'm not sure what the point he was trying to make is, but it seems odd that it comes from the same end of the list that people tend to look unfavorably at.
 
But it does bring me to my next observation.  People that I've seen pretty much only fluff from.  Or rather, person.  That's Lenlo.  He did say that he was moving, to be fair, but I would still have hoped to see more when he was here.

The point I was making is that people are posting too much.  Also, welcome to Lenloville.

 

Dude, there wasnt much going on before I had to start packing and getting ready to move. Once I initiated that process I was basically out of commission for 2 days, with some light reading while packing. Im back now though. And Bill the WiFi works.

 

Who is the best lynch for the day Clov

I know you didnt ask me, but I wanna answer to. ATM I am thinking either Zander/Seph or AJ. Both have interacted with a good number of people so we can get information from all that, and both have also left me with bad feelings. I will try to go back and get specific examples in the future, but im taking a shower after this post so it will have to wait.

 

 

I'm not asking you to force reads

I'm saying you are treating this whole game as a job and you don't seem to want to relax and mess around and have fun. You have seemed so NATURAL as a villager in your past few games, and here it's "well everyone expects me to make a reads posts so I'm going to and then I'm done with my time here"

 

IF YOU DON'T WANT THIS GAME TO BE A JOB FOR PEOPLE THEN MAYBE YOU SHOULD POST LESS

 

PREACH IT WOMBY. CHURCH OF THE BAT(man?)

 

 

#INFP gonna #INFP

 

You shouldn't be readings posts that I spoiler for specific people anyway

 

HONOR RULES

I like this approach.  Spoiler for townies only:

 

 

if you read this, quote it and say so in spoiler tags of your own.  Game over, scum!

 

 

 

 

I didnt read it.

 

 

 

 

 

I am okay with Kiv/Mish atm. They dont strike me as all that bad. Both seem confrontational and that seems expected for both of them imo. Not sayin they are LOCK CLEAR FOO, but I am leaning towards not scum.

 

[unvote][v]Zander/Seph[/v]

 

As I said previously, I think they or AJ are good lunchs for the day.

 

 

 

 

Len, can I assume that you quoting posts from today means you're all caught up?

I have caught up yes, though it was largely skimming. I hope to go back at some point to reread when im not tired.

 

 

Cool.  Can you show me where you mentioned AJ before, because I can't seem to find it.  Also would love to hear your take on this.

 

 

 

Reads would depend on what else happened in the game, but I ABSOLUTELY would be looking at Pral more closely to see if he's a viable teammate.  

 

Oh JFC okay I wasn't processing what you said correctly and didn't figure out what you were implying

Okay I understand

 

 

I dont think I did mention AJ before. Did something I said make you think I had?

 

That looks fine to me. Again, I dont think it makes Pral any more or less likely to be scum, but if that makes you want to look at him more closely/with more scrutiny go for it. If you were to try and push a lunch on Pral only because of the Kiv thing, I would have to shoot it down and call it a scummy push. If your just using it to look closer at him though thats fine.

 

But when Clov asked you about why you had AJ on your want to lynch list, you shot him down and denied mentioning him before when you posted twice in your catch-up that you wouldn't mind an AJ lynch.  You're deliberately dodging the question.  Not a good move, imo.  I have the same question, and I want to see it answered.  Because it looks like Lenlo is just name-spewing without anything to actually back himself up.  Making a very easy vote at this point, because lots of other people have voted for Zander/Seph.  Vote: Lenlo.

 

I had more here, but apparently it won't let me post because there's too many quotes.

[Cory Caboose]

Cory - don't get the stuff on AJ, need to read on that, believe Clov disagreed with you.

 

I'm not saying "AJ is a wolf", I am saying "I don't have enough from AJ to figure out his alignment yet and I usually can when he's a villager"

 

I recognize that it is early in the game and he might be busy and this is all subject to change

 

The bigger issue in that conversation is that Clov seems to be very comfortable with AJ and I don't understand why he is

 

Clov bashed me recently for "giving out townreads based on nothing" so consider me unsettled that he believes AJ requires his defense

[Razen]

That part under the first paragraph is Lenlo's catch up post.  I don't have the page it's on right now, but the formatting tags got deleted when I was working.

[Nynaeve]

3 of the top 4 posters are in a hydra...thought you couldn't post much, which is why you are in a hydra. H8u all :p

 

1. xD

 

2. My schedule is really erratic... so I basically don't know how much available time I'm gonna have. Makes it a bit hard to plan ahead. :P 

[Nynaeve]

 

Town
Nyn
Cory

Light town
Pral
Aj
Yates

 

Kinda too early to tell with AJ, imo.Yates had some good posts and he seems to be giving dice good feelz, so I'm comfortable with that.

 

What about Pral did you like?

[Yates]

First - hooray, someone gets it.

 

Second - I'm pretty sure I've said exactly that, repeatedly.

I mean... you have sort of said that but it was never clear.

 

 

I don't see how you can argue I'm "misrepping" anything.

It was the "last night" qualifier that made this confusing. You seemed to be implying that Wombat was fluffing the WHOLE GAME in your post then said that I did the same thing "last night." So you compared Wombat's content over the whole game to my content over a very short period of time and that was/is confusing because it comes across as a contextual misrep. I'm not even sure of the point you were trying to make or why my name was brought up in the first place.

 

Thank you! I will take my time and analyze this carefully. Glad you obliged. <3

Yup. You are entitled to one detailed explanation of Yates-Think [TM] as a first time player with me.

 

Kivam seems to have addressed the question you had for me. And his response is pretty much what I was expecting. Yes there were others [i think two? Maybe?] that hadn't posted but I think Pral was the only one that Kivam had experience with. That's how I do my inactivity prods on the rare occasion I do them as well so this seems reasonable/legit.

 

Side note: did you invade our Skype chat and possibly infiltrate a game of CAH once a couple of months ago? I'm either having a memory or about to have a seizure.

 

I wish I could've been here for it live, but 

 

 

 

You are a lot younger than I remember...

[Talya]

This is where Cory first mentions AJ.

 

 

 

AJ I feel like you'd have at least attempted to read me by now as a villager

Stop assuming I haven't imo

 

 

I understand that I am psychic sometimes

 

This is not one of those times

 

 

His problem with AJ

 

My biggest problem with AJ is that the tone is there but the thought process isn't

 

AJ is a very good "tone faker" as Mafia and sometimes relies on it, I remember him getting to like ~Day 4 in a POG game as a wolf solely on having good tone without actually even doing anything

 

Can see him trying to use it as a crutch as wolf

 

This post is from Clov, for some reason it put Cory's name there! :/

 

 

My biggest problem with AJ is that the tone is there but the thought process isn't

 

AJ is a very good "tone faker" as Mafia and sometimes relies on it, I remember him getting to like ~Day 4 in a POG game as a wolf solely on having good tone without actually even doing anything

 

Can see him trying to use it as a crutch as wolf

 

I assumed this was a state referring to this game.  I think he's actually done a better job explaining his thoughts a lot of the game.  I asked what's he not showing and you basically said a desire to do anything.  That's not even remotely the same thing as what you said here.

 

Why are you having a hard time understanding literally everything I've said this game?

 

 

From Cory below (stupid quoting stuff).

 

 

 

My biggest problem with AJ is that the tone is there but the thought process isn't

 

AJ is a very good "tone faker" as Mafia and sometimes relies on it, I remember him getting to like ~Day 4 in a POG game as a wolf solely on having good tone without actually even doing anything

 

Can see him trying to use it as a crutch as wolf

 

I assumed this was a state referring to this game.  I think he's actually done a better job explaining his thoughts a lot of the game.  I asked what's he not showing and you basically said a desire to do anything.  That's not even remotely the same thing as what you said here.

 

Why are you having a hard time understanding literally everything I've said this game?

 

 

I probably couldn't disagree more with the idea he's done a good job explaining his thoughts

Almost nothing has stuck out to me

 

AJ has no problem taking controversial stances and pushing them with some force as a villager and I can usually read him based on whether or not he's trying to do work or show work

 

Last one seems more like a you problem than a me problem

 

 

I have to agree with Cory over the AJ, he hasn't done much. @Clov, please show where he's done some really good explaining?

 

@ cory, I see you have replied.

[Nynaeve]

You really like Nyn

 

Well I am extremely likable 

[Talya]

 

3 of the top 4 posters are in a hydra...thought you couldn't post much, which is why you are in a hydra. H8u all :p

 

1. xD

 

2. My schedule is really erratic... so I basically don't know how much available time I'm gonna have. Makes it a bit hard to plan ahead. :P 

 

 

it wasn't you sweetie...it was Cory, Zander and Kivam, lol.

[Talya]

 

You really like Nyn

 

Well I am extremely likable 

 

 

Just working my Jedi mind tricks on them