[Advanced] The Usual Suspects Mafia - GAME OVER - COPS WIN

[Zander?]

 

 

Wish - a. may return as true, but if so, I don't know about it.  The only other truly dedicated lurker in this game (based on my experience) is Hallia, and she was already actively posting (and had recently said she was making an effort to be more active).  Keep in mind what I said earlier - I have a lot of mafia experience, but not with most of these players (there's a reason Wombat said he didn't buy my emo headfake, but pretty much everyone else did ... he's played with me for years).  So wrt most of this game's players, asking me if they usually lurk as scum makes as much sense as asking you if they do.  I just don't know the answer.

Got it. *nod nod*

What you say here seems genuine. Why did you emo headfake? I don't understand that.

 

 

Because in my last game (the one I just accidentally self-lynched in), Shad and I got into an argument about the utility of using emo as a towntell.  I said it could be faked, started to fake it but didn't carry it through, and he said "well, I didn't believe it anyway".

 

And since I'm an INTP, I took that as a challenge

 

Pretty sure I won the argument; so if it gets me lynched in this game, it was still worth it

 

 

JFC are you kidding me man???!!! 

 

This is about as far from a Pro-Town play as I think I've seen since Heart was mislynced as an Un CC'd Doc in SW.

 

So your ego is more important then game solving??!!!

[Kivam]

At the start of D1? Sure.

 

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[Kivam]

Mbti?

 

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[Kivam]

Gnight folks

 

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[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

Wish - a. may return as true, but if so, I don't know about it.  The only other truly dedicated lurker in this game (based on my experience) is Hallia, and she was already actively posting (and had recently said she was making an effort to be more active).  Keep in mind what I said earlier - I have a lot of mafia experience, but not with most of these players (there's a reason Wombat said he didn't buy my emo headfake, but pretty much everyone else did ... he's played with me for years).  So wrt most of this game's players, asking me if they usually lurk as scum makes as much sense as asking you if they do.  I just don't know the answer.

Got it. *nod nod*

What you say here seems genuine. Why did you emo headfake? I don't understand that.

 

 

Because in my last game (the one I just accidentally self-lynched in), Shad and I got into an argument about the utility of using emo as a towntell.  I said it could be faked, started to fake it but didn't carry it through, and he said "well, I didn't believe it anyway".

 

And since I'm an INTP, I took that as a challenge

 

Pretty sure I won the argument; so if it gets me lynched in this game, it was still worth it

 

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you accused zander of misrepping you because he used the word emo.

 

 

Just think of it as before reveal and after reveal.

 

Posts that were before reveal were fake-emo, believably so

 

Posts after were not, and visibly not.

 

Zander took an "after" post and called it an emo AtE to justify maintaining a vote on me.  Of course, it's possible he just missed the reveal, but even so I want to know what in that post he considered an appeal to emotion.  He's never said.

 

I also asked him 2 questions in my unvote post about how he was reading and responding to the thread - he seemed to be doing a linear catch up read with live responses as he went; I asked if that was true and if he'd been doing that when he made the AtE post.  If he was, it makes the "missed the reveal" defense less plausible.  And he ignored those questions.

 

 

cause i thought i did answer your question....numerous times as i mentioned.  dude just stop.  you know if you had i dont know....tried to game solve, build cases and give reads instead of creating this plague of stupidity with your "fake emo reveal test bs" and trying to stroke your ego  this Thread would be in a much better state.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

Wish - a. may return as true, but if so, I don't know about it.  The only other truly dedicated lurker in this game (based on my experience) is Hallia, and she was already actively posting (and had recently said she was making an effort to be more active).  Keep in mind what I said earlier - I have a lot of mafia experience, but not with most of these players (there's a reason Wombat said he didn't buy my emo headfake, but pretty much everyone else did ... he's played with me for years).  So wrt most of this game's players, asking me if they usually lurk as scum makes as much sense as asking you if they do.  I just don't know the answer.

Got it. *nod nod*

What you say here seems genuine. Why did you emo headfake? I don't understand that.

 

 

Because in my last game (the one I just accidentally self-lynched in), Shad and I got into an argument about the utility of using emo as a towntell.  I said it could be faked, started to fake it but didn't carry it through, and he said "well, I didn't believe it anyway".

 

And since I'm an INTP, I took that as a challenge

 

Pretty sure I won the argument; so if it gets me lynched in this game, it was still worth it

 

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you accused zander of misrepping you because he used the word emo.

 

 

@ Kivam.

 

lololololololololol

[Shad_]

cause i thought i did answer your question....numerous times as i mentioned.  dude just stop.  you know if you had i dont know....tried to game solve, build cases and give reads instead of creating this plague of stupidity with your "fake emo reveal test bs" and trying to stroke your ego  this Thread would be in a much better state.

Do you want to lynch him?

[Songstress]

INFJ mod checking in

 

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OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

Seph/Zander (5): ClovFG, John Snow, Wombicat, Lenlo, Kivish
Nolderf (1): Laine
Kivish (5): Hallia, Nyce, Zander/Seph, Shad, Sili
Lenlo (1): CorKey
Wombicat (1): AJ
John Snow (1): Yates
Csarmi (1): Nolderf


Not Voting (5): Razen, Pral, Csarmi, Talya, Wish/Celeste

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

Deadline is Monday Aug 17th @ 9am MST/Noon EST

[Celeste]

 

 

 

 

 

Wish - a. may return as true, but if so, I don't know about it.  The only other truly dedicated lurker in this game (based on my experience) is Hallia, and she was already actively posting (and had recently said she was making an effort to be more active).  Keep in mind what I said earlier - I have a lot of mafia experience, but not with most of these players (there's a reason Wombat said he didn't buy my emo headfake, but pretty much everyone else did ... he's played with me for years).  So wrt most of this game's players, asking me if they usually lurk as scum makes as much sense as asking you if they do.  I just don't know the answer.

 

Got it. *nod nod*

What you say here seems genuine. Why did you emo headfake? I don't understand that.

 

Because in my last game (the one I just accidentally self-lynched in), Shad and I got into an argument about the utility of using emo as a towntell.  I said it could be faked, started to fake it but didn't carry it through, and he said "well, I didn't believe it anyway".

 

And since I'm an INTP, I took that as a challenge

 

Pretty sure I won the argument; so if it gets me lynched in this game, it was still worth it

=/

 

you accused zander of misrepping you because he used the word emo.

 

Just think of it as before reveal and after reveal.

 

Posts that were before reveal were fake-emo, believably so

 

Posts after were not, and visibly not.

 

Zander took an "after" post and called it an emo AtE to justify maintaining a vote on me.  Of course, it's possible he just missed the reveal, but even so I want to know what in that post he considered an appeal to emotion.  He's never said.

 

I also asked him 2 questions in my unvote post about how he was reading and responding to the thread - he seemed to be doing a linear catch up read with live responses as he went; I asked if that was true and if he'd been doing that when he made the AtE post.  If he was, it makes the "missed the reveal" defense less plausible.  And he ignored those questions.

 

cause i thought i did answer your question....numerous times as i mentioned.  dude just stop.  you know if you had i dont know....tried to game solve, build cases and give reads instead of creating this plague of stupidity with your "fake emo reveal test bs" and trying to stroke your ego  this Thread would be in a much better state.

This sort of looks like back tracking which I have seen scum do on my home site but it could also be a null tell. What do you think of your accusers?

[Hallia]

Catching up, on page 55

 

I still haven't seen scum from Zander, I don't see what people are voting him for o.O

 

I am ok with ClovFG at the moment.

 

I really like Wish's posting style!  I feel a kindred spirit there

 

Continuing on.

[Celeste]

Lenlo's long period of absence and low content posts kind of seems scum like to me. I'm not sure if this is a null tell for her though.

[Hallia]

Lenlo's a boy.

[Hallia]

I mean....A MAN.

[Hallia]

To be clear, I disagree with Cory's read of AJ. I also disagree with his easy clearing of Hallia, but this is typical.

 

I do however agree with his interpretation of AJ in a general way. I think AJ could have more content. He can fake tone.

 

(I wasn't town reading AJ because tone though)

 

He loves me, what can I say (That and I'm awesome.)

 

So having caught up, my vote is staying riiiiiiiiiight where it is.

 

I wish I could've been here for it live, but 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

takes priority every time. 

[Lenlo]

Lenlo's long period of absence and low content posts kind of seems scum like to me. I'm not sure if this is a null tell for her though.

Long period of absence? I notified everyone I was moving. Then when I was done moving I came back, caught up if only barely and posted my thoughts.

 

Also I am man. Really the avi and the name doesnt help matters much, but whatcha gonna do. Had this name for 6 years now, not throwin it away.

[Celeste]

This weekend is busy for me and wish so we may be inactive some days. Just thought I should tell you because I have visitors coming over and wish will be at a retreat.

[Nolder]

Lenlo's a boy.

pics or GTFO

[Nolder]

That's directed at Lenlo of course. Hallia has shown her face and is believed to be a legitimate female of the human species.

[seph]

Stopping at 40- note for myself

 

I'm going to be on today, in hopefully 5 hours or so because I can't take posting wot's and not getting to talk irt, it's much easier for me to read people that way.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I've noticed, too that we're playing with parents - that's cool, I hope to still be playing Mafia when I've had children.

I'm 15 years old. And now I'm broke. Take a lesson from me: Stay in school, wrap your tool.

Don't be sili, wrap your willy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I mean Ocicat/John Snow are yet to check in at this moment

 

I don't really know how relevant that is to making a read or how "helpful" that observation would be

 

In either alignment I could see Kiv pointing out Pral not posting because Pral has such a known habit of missing long stretches

Doesn't make the action itself any better, but if you asked me "who's a player that hasn't posted yet?" he would come to mind first just because of the association

 

 

Really?  After our discussion yesterday, you don't see how Kivam - specifically - singling out one inactive (who he admits to having minimal experience with) while there were others he could have mentioned could be worth noting for once there are some flips?

 

Okay let's play this out hypothetically

 

Kivam flips mafia

 

Pral, Player A, Player B, Player C and Player D all were inactive at the time of that post

 

Give me your reads on Pral and Player A-D and what Kivam only mentioning Pral means

 

Convince me any line of throught regarding this is > rand.

 

Reads would depend on what else happened in the game, but I ABSOLUTELY would be looking at Pral more closely to see if he's a viable teammate.

This doesn't make any sense coming from clov. I don't see how it would make Pral look bad, if kiv flipped mafia.

 

 

Page 34, dice and nolder come in catching up, but I'm not seeing any stances, or reads.

 

Aj- you said nyn was picking up on details, you thought she would as town, regarding kivs Pral vote. What details exactly?

 

I do like AJ's poat about kiv/Mish in his catch up post there on page 34.

 

Page 35

Razen's pops in and nudges kiv, then dissapears.

 

Yates has two really solid posts in the 700's one is on page 37, and I can't seem to find the other atm.

 

 

Case in point - look at how many ppl skimming this thread still think i was serious in my earlier reactions. Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk

 

 

If it weren't for recent memory I might have viewed the explanation as backtracking tbh.

Can you explain this a bit further for me?

 

Page 38,I really like Razen's thoughts of the interaction with kiv, and the people involved.

 

Alot of people are suspecting wombat, but I'm not seeing it. I don't remember a whole lot, but when he came into the thread nothing felt off to me. I definitely need to iso him later.

 

 

[Nynaeve]

 

Last I saw Kivam was in the lead. Nyn might be tunneling mish. While I think mish overreacted, I don't understand the full picture. Nyn said Kivam was covering for Mish' behavior.

 

 

Nyn is taking apart Mish's posts to build a narrative. It's a tunnel. In particular I don't agree that Mish expecting more substantive votes on her contradicts not feeling the votes already placed.

 

 

I haven't been tunneling Mish. I've been asking her questions, that by the by, she's yet to answer. Mish's overreaction in itself is irrelevant to me. She gets dramatic all the time, so it's not some kind of tell with her (which I've pointed out already). People who don't know her, though, would normally see it that way. As for me? I need to lean on her to get a good feel. I don't really care how it makes me look. That's how I roll and it's not about to change.

 

The issues I have with Kivam I've already covered. Nothing he said made me feel better about that slot. My issue with her I can expand on, in case it wasn't clear. She expressed her opinion on the hydra matter and placed a vote on Alanna. I actually liked the way she explained herself and said as much at the time. Then Kiv stepped in, gave her the mathematical explanation and she folded. But then later when questioned again about it (by Cory, I think), she went back to saying it's BS. I know that she said Kivam is like half mentoring her or whatever. But I don't care about Kivam's clout. And if she ended up agreeing with him, then why did she revert back to her original stance? I know Mish and I think that her getting momentarily complacent with a fap explanation from the oh so great Kiv is uncharacteristic of her. In some ways she's as stubborn as me and so it sticks out to me that she would do that when she sounded so determined . It's fine if you don't agree, but that's the impression I'm getting from it.

 

 

This slot seems to be big on excuses. Oh Kiv is mentoring me, so that's why I did that. Oh I wasn't really referring to meta, cause I don't believe in meta ldo, I just said that to lure Pral to post, oh I only did a shout out to pral and not other people who didn't check in, cause he's the only one of them I know. Oh I wasn't really being emo, I was just faking it cause bla bla bla bliddy bla. My god, I'm just so misunderstood.     This slot is dirty. Kill it with fire.

 

[Sili Quirrels]

That's directed at Lenlo of course. Hallia has shown her face and is believed to be a legitimate female of the human species.

:/ u a creeper?

[Nynaeve]

I kinda skimmed through most of what went down when I was sleeping. Gonna give it a more thorough look see after lunch and much coffee.

[Nynaeve]

 

That's directed at Lenlo of course. Hallia has shown her face and is believed to be a legitimate female of the human species.

:/ u a creeper?

 

 

He likes pokemon erotica. 'nough said.

[Sili Quirrels]

Yuck.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

 

 

Last I saw Kivam was in the lead. Nyn might be tunneling mish. While I think mish overreacted, I don't understand the full picture. Nyn said Kivam was covering for Mish' behavior.

 

Nyn is taking apart Mish's posts to build a narrative. It's a tunnel. In particular I don't agree that Mish expecting more substantive votes on her contradicts not feeling the votes already placed.

 

I haven't been tunneling Mish. I've been asking her questions, that by the by, she's yet to answer. Mish's overreaction in itself is irrelevant to me. She gets dramatic all the time, so it's not some kind of tell with her (which I've pointed out already). People who don't know her, though, would normally see it that way. As for me? I need to lean on her to get a good feel. I don't really care how it makes me look. That's how I roll and it's not about to change.

 

The issues I have with Kivam I've already covered. Nothing he said made me feel better about that slot. My issue with her I can expand on, in case it wasn't clear. She expressed her opinion on the hydra matter and placed a vote on Alanna. I actually liked the way she explained herself and said as much at the time. Then Kiv stepped in, gave her the mathematical explanation and she folded. But then later when questioned again about it (by Cory, I think), she went back to saying it's BS. I know that she said Kivam is like half mentoring her or whatever. But I don't care about Kivam's clout. And if she ended up agreeing with him, then why did she revert back to her original stance? I know Mish and I think that her getting momentarily complacent with a fap explanation from the oh so great Kiv is uncharacteristic of her. In some ways she's as stubborn as me and so it sticks out to me that she would do that when she sounded so determined . It's fine if you don't agree, but that's the impression I'm getting from it.

 

 

This slot seems to be big on excuses. Oh Kiv is mentoring me, so that's why I did that. Oh I wasn't really referring to meta, cause I don't believe in meta ldo, I just said that to lure Pral to post, oh I only did a shout out to pral and not other people who didn't check in, cause he's the only one of them I know. Oh I wasn't really being emo, I was just faking it cause bla bla bla bliddy bla. My god, I'm just so misunderstood. This slot is dirty. Kill it with fire.

U r very convincing.