[Advanced] The Usual Suspects Mafia - GAME OVER - COPS WIN

[Lenlo]

Sad thing about all this is, the AJ mixup really was a mistake. If only this game had started a week earlier.

 

Meetin time, later!

[WWWwombat]

Salami being around and then voting an off train is pretty sketch btw.  If people are thinking CFD, he'd be my pick.

[Zander?]

 

ok im gonna keep trying to sift through this but in a nutshell:

 

WTL:

 

Kiv: Im sticking with my read on Kiv...though i have liked some of his more recent posts im gonna stick with my gut on this.

 

Lenlo:enough valid points have been made on him.  i dont completely dismiss the chance it was a "mistake" with AJ/He/She Who Shall Not Be Named.  I still feel Kiv is the better lynch but I would be willingly to switch here if needed to secure a lynch.

 

???

 

This makes no sense.  Right now, you and I are the other names on the chopping block, and you're already on me.  So the only way we'd need help to "secure a lynch" on Lenlo would be if I overtook him (in which case, if I'm you're number 1, why would you switch?) or if you did (in which case it wouldn't be "securing a lynch", it would be self-preservation)

 

 

Maybe im missing something but basically: If your not gonna be lynched I'd switch to Lenlo.  I think you are the better lynch hence why thats where my vote is,  I will vote Lenlo if that dont happen because a) hes on my radar.  b) its a very possible lynch for today

 

Bold isnt securing a lynch on someone else if your a wagon naturally self preservation?  What am I missing here??

 

 

 

seems to make sense to me.

[WWWwombat]

Sad thing about all this is, the AJ mixup really was a mistake. If only this game had started a week earlier.

 

Meetin time, later!

 

Eh.  "Really was."

[WWWwombat]

Where is everyone?:(

[wish-tree]

1. Lenlo ->

 

Lenlo has been pretty quiet until recently. He a) doesn't like the WoTs, because it apparently overfloods the thread with unnecessary content. I, for one, quite like the WoTs. They help cut down on fluff and make it easier for people who have been AFK to keep up with what's been going on.

I think that people have been voting him because his arguments for who is scum have piggy-backed off of nitpicking, such as concerns about phrasing and the WoTs.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but he hasn't done much else to be scummy, except for his lack of involvement, which he has attributed to real life reasons. Is there any specific reason why Lenlo has to be lynched?

 

2. Kivam ->

 

The entire emo thing. Ugh. Didn't he say it was just to boost his own ego? The focus on Pralaya, sure, but imo Yates gave a good argument for why Kivam didn't even notice what he was doing (calling out Pralaya by voting him) was a giant FOS.

 

Any other reasons? I've seen him say that people's points are stupid, but that isn't enough of a reason to vote him. Are there any other reasons besides the whole ego-boosting thing that you guys are voting Kivam?

 

3. Sephander ->

 

Not sure what to think about Seph, because he has been posting little recently. However, from my interactions with him, I find that he's been very helpful with answering questions and very cooperative, a trait I associate with towniness.

Zander, apart from the whole meta discussion in which his focus on the emo part of Kivam could be considered tunneling, looks alright to me. Based off merely a meta argument, I think this is quite weak. Zander, though he has been posting lots of lolololols and not much content, has been actually trying to scumhunt, even if he is misguided (I think) by focusing on the 'emo' part of Kivam (which many of you are still doing, btw. How does that make him scummy?).

 

I hope my summaries are accurate, because those seem to me to be the main reasons which people are voting these three. And they don't make much sense to me, at all.

[Razen]

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/95247-advanced-the-usual-suspects-mafia-day-1/page-34?do=findComment&comment=3528000

 

This is the first real, gamey post from Nolder.  And the only thing I wanted to pull out of it was his response toward Shad's reads.  I'm inferring that Nolder likes that list, from his reaction, but didn't say what or why he agreed with it.

 

 

So when reading through the thread previously I saw Kiv go after Pral for not posting yet and catch some heat for it.

My opinion on that is that Kiv is justified because Pral usually does take prodding but also I think it's really early in the game for prodding anyway so...both sides are kind of right on that?

 

Thinking Kiv was just looking for something to latch on to. Null imo.

Fence-sitting is fence-sitting.  And the conclusion matches that stance, really.

 

 

 

Who is the best lynch for the day Clov

 

 

 

MOD NOTE: CSARMI WILL BE REPLACING BECK

 

Because the one thing this game lacks is someone who will never be caught up but will post more than anyone else.  FML.

 

 

Well I'm not Clov but I think that answers that.

 

 

[v]Csarmi[/v]

Looks like Nol has had it with catching up and spam, haha.  This feels kind of jokey and kind of not.  How long did his vote remain parked here?

 

 

I see Csarmi has 19 posts so I'm going to assume he checked in and saw my vote.

Would have liked to see his reaction but I'm in no mood to dig for it right now. Too tired lol.

 

[unvote]

There's my answer.  It's a reaction test on Csarmi.  But he didn't look at the posts for the reaction?  Odd. 

 

 

1. Razen - seen a couple posts by him looks good so far.
2. Wombicat (Wombat/Ocicat) - wombat is talkative but haven't seen him do any real scumhunting, I'm guilty of this myself so w/e. no idea who OC Cat is.
3. Seph/Zander hydra - No opinon.
4. Hallia - Good so far.
5. Sili - Dirty filthy spammer that needs to be eradicated for everyone's sanity.
6. Kivish (Kivam/Mish) - Like Mish's posts and don't dislike Kivs posts. Think there is probably already at least 1 scum on their train hoping it will build.
7. Laine -  no opinion
8. Shad - no opinion
9. Talya - seen a couple posts but didn't read'em. Seems to be keeping up so good chance of being town.
10. Pralaya - no opinion. Has he checked in yet?
11. Lenlo - no opinion
12. Yates - Seems invested in some conversation or another. Yates is a tryhard though so that's pretty null imo.
13. Nyce (Nyn/Dice) - haven't really read their posts but I hope they are town because that's a scary combo
14. John Snow - no opinion
15. ClovFG (Clov/BFG) - BFG is nice. Clov I don't know very well. no real opinion
16. Beck Csarmi - I guess he posted but I didn't see it
17. CorKey (Cory/Keyholder) - Haven't noticed key posting but Cory seems to have good thread presence. don't think he has a problem with that as scum though. I'd guess if he's really keeping notes ask to see some of them eventually and if true he's town. I've never known scum to keep notes myself.
18. wish-tree/Celeste hydra - they seem talkative no real opinion on them though
19. Nolderf (Nolder/Darthe) - please kills us. this is an abomination.
20. AJ - no opinion

And posting a reads list, but still not having looked at the Csarmi reaction that he claims to have wanted to see.  Lots of no opinions.  Looks like he didn't even read that closely.  Which is alarming, considering the fact that he pushed a vote for a reaction and then never bothered to look at it.  But he does admit later that he's in two games and that he hasn't had time to invest yet.  I would like to see how this has changed from then up to this point.

 

 

 

@Nolder do you have thoughts on the AJ/Cory/Clov thing as well as the Kiv and Zander bandwagons?

I AM TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT!

 

No seriously though if you want to summarize or quote me some posts for the AJ/Cory/Clov thing or at the very least give me a general idea of when it happened pagewise that would be super helpful because I have no idea about that. Kivish train I assume is because of is comments about Pralaya and the fallout from that. Sender I have no idea since I haven't payed too much attention to his posts but that is exactly what I am trying to remedy tonight.

 

His response to Celeste.  Looks like he's trying to work through things.

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/95247-advanced-the-usual-suspects-mafia-day-1/page-79?do=findComment&comment=3529517

His first Zander post.

 

Notes that Sili overreacted to Zander's opening post.  And then he feels that Zander might have let Sili off the hook too easily.

 

Oooh, I think people missed this.  Nolder brings up a lie detector.  Flimsy grounds, maybe.  But: I am town.

 

He likes Zander's response towards Kivam, which I agree is more of a pro-town move.

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/95247-advanced-the-usual-suspects-mafia-day-1/page-79?do=findComment&comment=3529525

I like his observations with Hallia's vote, Laine's +1, and Zander's seconding of the +1.

 

I also agree that he needs to work to convince people and not rely on Zander being Zander.

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/95247-advanced-the-usual-suspects-mafia-day-1/page-80?do=findComment&comment=3529533

Part 3.

 

I like his point about Hallia here.  I'm thinking she did park her vote here, honestly.  Need to look at the latest vote counts when I'm done with this to be sure, but I don't remember it moving.  But that isn't alignment indicative like Nol seems to be implying.

 

He points out Zander's joke vote over the Jets remark.  It moved since then, but it was reapplied after Zander felt something scummy happened.  So Nol's observation doesn't really hold here.  And he notes that there was an unvote, so it's all good.

 

 

I'm getting distracted here.  I skipped #4 because it didn't really have anything it in I wanted to point out.

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/95247-advanced-the-usual-suspects-mafia-day-1/page-81?do=findComment&comment=3529590

 

I do want to see why Zander felt Laine was an asset at that point in the game, beyond the mafia crush thing.

 

I don't like Sili's post, because his logic assumes things that were explicitly not true at that point regarding Kivam/Mish and their vote.  Therefore Zander's reaction also stinks.

 

The last one I'm not going to bother with.  Because it's pretty light on content.  Nothing really that hasn't been asked before.  The Shad angle comes in again from the first one, but I don't really see the point he's making here.

 

I really, really want to know why Nol didn't follow up on his reaction test from Csarmi.  His reads list is pretty blah, and especially more so considering it doesn't factor in the reaction test that he supposedly did.  I could have probably made a lot of those observations after skimming.  I want to see more in the future from this slot, based on this.  There's a couple of good points, but the rest has me feeling mostly meh.  And I think Nol has posted more of the content here too.

[wish-tree]

 

 

DOES EVERYONE REALIZE THIS IS THE RULE?

 

 

 

6. This is a hybrid hammer game. Deadlines will be set by the mods. The player with the most votes at the end of deadline will be lynched. If there is a majority, the phase will end as soon as majority is reached.

Yup. Does that come as a surprise?

 

 

No.  At least one person has missed it before and Zander's post about securing a lynch implies he missed it as well.

 

Oh, thanks. Did not see this. <3

 

-_-;

[Zander?]

Salami being around and then voting an off train is pretty sketch btw.  If people are thinking CFD, he'd be my pick.

 

for CFD id prolly agree.

[WWWwombat]

1. Lenlo ->

 

Lenlo has been pretty quiet until recently. He a) doesn't like the WoTs, because it apparently overfloods the thread with unnecessary content. I, for one, quite like the WoTs. They help cut down on fluff and make it easier for people who have been AFK to keep up with what's been going on.

I think that people have been voting him because his arguments for who is scum have piggy-backed off of nitpicking, such as concerns about phrasing and the WoTs.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but he hasn't done much else to be scummy, except for his lack of involvement, which he has attributed to real life reasons. Is there any specific reason why Lenlo has to be lynched?

 

2. Kivam ->

 

The entire emo thing. Ugh. Didn't he say it was just to boost his own ego? The focus on Pralaya, sure, but imo Yates gave a good argument for why Kivam didn't even notice what he was doing (calling out Pralaya by voting him) was a giant FOS.

 

Any other reasons? I've seen him say that people's points are stupid, but that isn't enough of a reason to vote him. Are there any other reasons besides the whole ego-boosting thing that you guys are voting Kivam?

 

3. Sephander ->

 

Not sure what to think about Seph, because he has been posting little recently. However, from my interactions with him, I find that he's been very helpful with answering questions and very cooperative, a trait I associate with towniness.

Zander, apart from the whole meta discussion in which his focus on the emo part of Kivam could be considered tunneling, looks alright to me. Based off merely a meta argument, I think this is quite weak. Zander, though he has been posting lots of lolololols and not much content, has been actually trying to scumhunt, even if he is misguided (I think) by focusing on the 'emo' part of Kivam (which many of you are still doing, btw. How does that make him scummy?).

 

I hope my summaries are accurate, because those seem to me to be the main reasons which people are voting these three. And they don't make much sense to me, at all.

 

Who would you lynch?

[csarmi]

Salami being around and then voting an off train is pretty sketch btw.  If people are thinking CFD, he'd be my pick.

 

what would you have me do?

[WWWwombat]

[unvote]

[v]Csarmi[/v]

 

Will switch back to Lenlo if no movement here in the next 5-10 mins.

[Zander?]

 

Bout to enter the meeting, can you guys get me to L-1 real fast so I can self vote?

 

Null for Lenlo btw so don't get any ideas about what this may or may not mean.

 

 

I hate self vote and self vote talk.

 

Why null Wombat?

[Yates]

I hope my summaries are accurate, because those seem to me to be the main reasons which people are voting these three. And they don't make much sense to me, at all.

No. You are way off base on the Lenlo wagon.

[WWWwombat]

 

Salami being around and then voting an off train is pretty sketch btw.  If people are thinking CFD, he'd be my pick.

 

what would you have me do?

 

 

Take a meaningful stance on something.

[WWWwombat]

 

 

Bout to enter the meeting, can you guys get me to L-1 real fast so I can self vote?

 

Null for Lenlo btw so don't get any ideas about what this may or may not mean.

 

 

I hate self vote and self vote talk.

 

Why null Wombat?

 

 

Lenlo's greatest mafia ambition is to vig himself.  Need I say more?

[wish-tree]

 

1. Lenlo ->

 

Lenlo has been pretty quiet until recently. He a) doesn't like the WoTs, because it apparently overfloods the thread with unnecessary content. I, for one, quite like the WoTs. They help cut down on fluff and make it easier for people who have been AFK to keep up with what's been going on.

I think that people have been voting him because his arguments for who is scum have piggy-backed off of nitpicking, such as concerns about phrasing and the WoTs.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but he hasn't done much else to be scummy, except for his lack of involvement, which he has attributed to real life reasons. Is there any specific reason why Lenlo has to be lynched?

 

2. Kivam ->

 

The entire emo thing. Ugh. Didn't he say it was just to boost his own ego? The focus on Pralaya, sure, but imo Yates gave a good argument for why Kivam didn't even notice what he was doing (calling out Pralaya by voting him) was a giant FOS.

 

Any other reasons? I've seen him say that people's points are stupid, but that isn't enough of a reason to vote him. Are there any other reasons besides the whole ego-boosting thing that you guys are voting Kivam?

 

3. Sephander ->

 

Not sure what to think about Seph, because he has been posting little recently. However, from my interactions with him, I find that he's been very helpful with answering questions and very cooperative, a trait I associate with towniness.

Zander, apart from the whole meta discussion in which his focus on the emo part of Kivam could be considered tunneling, looks alright to me. Based off merely a meta argument, I think this is quite weak. Zander, though he has been posting lots of lolololols and not much content, has been actually trying to scumhunt, even if he is misguided (I think) by focusing on the 'emo' part of Kivam (which many of you are still doing, btw. How does that make him scummy?).

 

I hope my summaries are accurate, because those seem to me to be the main reasons which people are voting these three. And they don't make much sense to me, at all.

 

Who would you lynch?

 

Right now, I'm looking at John Snow, Laine, or Csarmi.

 

The three of them have

John Snow- 1) Not really done a great job of explaining who they would lynch and why they would do it.

Laine, Csarmi- 2) Been uninvolved with the game so far and do not appear to be trying to make conclusions of their own.

All three - 3) Even when prodded for information, remained relatively silent.

[Kivam]

Wish - I had the same reaction to the Lenlo vote.  This is what I found when I went back to see how it built. 

 

 

 

Listen to Einstein. Keep it simple.

Your scum read on me.

 

Didnt say scum, said you were one of the better lynchs for the day and then voted for someone I felt was worse.

 

Ive actually liked your dedication to catching up, even if my eyes glaze over when attempting to read all these quote walls.

 

 

 

Yeah.

 

 

 

 

Semantics

 

 

You're missing the point then.

 

You're saying you don't have a scum read on me (your posts about me would indicate otherwise) but you're WTL me anyway for the info? At that point I don't think I had interacted with that many people to make that argument very valid.

 

 

 

If I recall correctly you said there were some posts that pinged and that AJ or Zander would make good info lynches, yet at that point I don't recall AJ interacting with many people???

 

 

 

First thing im gonna say, I was wrong. I had thought AJ had talked with more people early on. Turns out? He did jack-all until Pg 34 and then continued to do jack-all until yesterday where he flooded us with WoTs. So alot of Jack-all of AJ imo.

 

Was planning on doing a big WOT catch-up style post, but after reading ~30 something pages and seeing that I had less than 20 posts I wanted to actually comment on, I'll forego that and just take a big consciousness dump ITT. Most topics have been touched on and repeated enough that I don't feel the need to add anything - so I'll try to bring some fresh points to the thread.
 
Shad's joke vote on Seph early on reminds me of how he started in the Belichick game, which is cool considering our synergy in that one. I had some more of his stuff quoted in the queue before I wiped them all that I liked as well. His comments towards Hallia/wish-tree are pretty villagery and carry that sort of uncanny poise he has for a newer player. Good vibes from him thus far.
 
Wish-Tree strikes me as a Hallia.2 in the first few pages of the game. Don't know what that means yet but it's the impression I got, so there you have it.
 
Hallia and Nyn are passing the eyeball test so far. Halli's coming out strong against Kiv and I think her reaction to his whining is good in the sense that she's an emotive player and I would expect her to react that way to that sort of thing. Nyn's sharpness came out once she got past her intro catch-up. She's picking up on the details I think she would as town regarding Kiv's Pral vote, and the responses to Celeste/wish-tree are the amusingly blunt type we all know and love.
 
Wombat's OP at a glance makes me think the randomizing wasn't so good to him, more gut than anything. Wanna see him get more involved once things picked up more beyond the catch up style posts.
 
Zander/Seph/Laine seem to doing that townie circle jerk thing they like to do - we'll see how that progresses. Zander is easy going but I'll be looking for when he starts to make cases after our last game together where he got by a lot on being 'Zander'. Don't really have an opinion regarding Laine picking up Mynd's torch, the stance itself is null but we'll see where she goes with it. Not much about Seph stuck out to me beyond him reiterating a lot that he really likes wish-tree/Celeste.
 
Kivish slot giving me some troubles atm. I basically hate Kivam's approach this game, first with me and then later with Pral and the subsequent backtracking, but Mish feels pretty genuine with how she's reacting to things ITT. Wouldn't really have thought Mish would be the redeeming quality for them (no offense) but if they weren't paired I would support a Kiv wagon at this point.

His first real game post. Some reads, fine.  I disagree with them myself.
 

Feels like I'm forgetting to mention something, whatever.
 
It's been a long day/night.

Aaaaand hes gone.
 

Good morning :)

Walking Oliver atm so I got a few.

Yates looking pretty good to me skimming these pages.

@Mish - remember earlier where you said something earlier about liking to set traps that no one sees and Shad said he could relate? Think about that in conjunction with his vote and statements regarding parked votes. May not have been his intent, but he could be seeing who is paying attention.

A token gesture, posting stuff that doesnt really mean anything imo and looking active.
 

Razen you seem alright.
 
I agree with you regarding Nyn/Sili and their content
 
Your point on Lenlo doesn't mean anything regarding his alignment imo

More token. Afew more of these and I can play whack-a-scum at the arcade.
 

[v]Wombat[/v]
 
Seems people are starting to echo my thoughts here.
 
Need to leave for work now, I'll try to peek at the thread throughout the day if I get the chance.

People are following your thoughts on Wombat? All you had to say on Wombat was "Wombat's OP at a glance makes me think the randomizing wasnt so good to him, more gut than anything. Wanna see him get more involved once things picked up more beyond the catch up style posts.". Wow, a gut read that you then voted for.
 
After this you had the occasional interaction with someone, but nothing gameplay wise. So really you sat around on your bum for 30 pages, made a token effort, then sat around for another 50. Great contributions. I dunno why I ever thought you had done alot. Musta mixed you up with someone.
 
After this we have all of his catchup WoTs, which I will reference rather than quote to keep this in one post. Cause spam is bad kids.
 
Pgs 1-20
This one is largely just "I like this, ill reply to this jokey post, This looks interesting". Nothing telling imo, cause the first 20 pages were pretty barren for good gameplay stuff in my opinion.
 

Interested by the vote spread that I can see without being caught up in full.
 
Can't say I'm surprised with the Kivish wagon, but the Zeph one does.
 
Speaking of which, I'll [unvote] for now since I'm still catching up.

Hes catching up and sees that his Wombat train wasnt pickin up anymore, so better hop off it. Still disagree with the Kivish thing, but thats a dead horse at this point. He does make sure we all know that he is unvoting though, bringing attention to it and justifying it when he could just unvote and get back to catching up.
 

Hi wish.
 
Don't think we've really had the chance to speak yet :)
 
I'm still reading up - who are you and your other head arguing over currently? Perhaps as I read I can find figure out why/when you each thought that person was worthy of voting.

Not all the dedicated to catching up if your also trying to talk with someone in real time at the front of the thread, are you? To his credit he does keep up the conversation, brings some stuff from earlier in the thread up and in general does a good job here imo.
 
We get more catchup WoTs, that I still think are a net negative for the thread. We dont need people constantly going back and posting WoT after WoT after WoT. Just make it succinct, please.
 
After reading all of them, which was agonizing btw, I found I disagree with a good bit of it. Reference his total reads list (post 1967, Pg 99). I found Razen to be making cases without much real backing and then using those to show "Hey I did something."
 
Yates, Nyce and CorKey are fine where they are.
 
I disagree that what Pral has posted has been content laden. Dude has 15 posts and barely anything real in them.
 
Laine is Alannalynn right? I dont like this nick name, its not consistent with the posting name. :( 
 
Still disagree on Kivam. I dont think he would make a good lynch today. I think later on he will be useful in catching stuff, his lawyerness showing, and the reasons people voting him arnt that strong.
 
Disagree with me, naturaly. You cant lynch Leno.
 

 
Tl;Dr for those who wont read. I was wrong on AJ, thought he did more early when infact he did jack all. Still wouldnt call him town, cause alot of it is silly or wrong imo, but I dont have a reason to see him lynched anymore. Gonna do Zander next and maybe seph?
 
Ill try and keep it under control though cause the last thing we need is a flood of crap.

 

 

 

 

Lenlo - I liked Key's case on him. I think his backing for the Zeph vote is kinda garbage (the L-7 argument doesn't matter since it's hybrid hammer) and I dislike the way he's arguing semantics over clarifying his read on me - which seemingly came out of nowhere. Really don't like the 'info' angle he's applying to it either considering he's not evaluating Kivam in the same way. He's supposedly doing ISOs now, so we'll see what he comes up with but at this point I feel my vote is best served here.

Keys case was just as much semantics and made up lines as your accusing me of arguing with. Ill try and answer this though since im readin everything.

 

Im not evaluating Kivam that way, because I dont think think Kivam would be a good lynch regardless of how many people hes interacted with. If we applied this logic to everything we would just lynch the biggest posters every time and thats stupid. Kivam/Mish acted in a way I expected them to, so what alot of you seem to have had problems with I didnt.

 

As for the hybrid hammer thing... I got nothin. I missed that part of the rules. Sorry. Guess I should read those huh?

 

 

 

 

@Lenlo, I don't understand how you can 'be wrong' on AJ like that? How can you mix up someone who did 'jack all' as someone who would provide info?

Cause when skimming I mixed someone up probably. Go talk to the people who made this a 100 pg D1 game if you want answers.

 

 

Wow.  Hate to say this about someone who defended me that well, but that ... that's really bad.  [unvote][v]Lenlo[/v].

 

Still find Hally scummier - think I have her caught in an internal contradiction - but if that train isn't going to get support yet this is a close enough second.  would vastly prefer people move to hally though

 

[wish-tree]

 

I hope my summaries are accurate, because those seem to me to be the main reasons which people are voting these three. And they don't make much sense to me, at all.

No. You are way off base on the Lenlo wagon.

 

Well, can you explain to me why?

[WWWwombat]

Snow would be a bad CFD imo.  No info there and completely null to me.  Laine would be ok, but I prefer Salami given his EOD actions.

[csarmi]

 

 

Salami being around and then voting an off train is pretty sketch btw.  If people are thinking CFD, he'd be my pick.

 

what would you have me do?

 

 

Take a meaningful stance on something.

 

 

Nyce 

Mish

Clov, Wombat, Lenlo

[Cory Caboose]

I would say my only knock on Hally is that she stopped posting. I'm cutting her some slack because she said she had some weekend obligations, which I get. But if she can't get in here and be present and make contributions during the week? THEN I might come around on this. In other words, she's not a Day 1 lynch candidate for me.

When did you become me

 

Not cool

[Yates]

 

 

I hope my summaries are accurate, because those seem to me to be the main reasons which people are voting these three. And they don't make much sense to me, at all.

No. You are way off base on the Lenlo wagon.

 

Well, can you explain to me why?

 

Yeah, see the post above yours.

[WWWwombat]

 

 

 

Salami being around and then voting an off train is pretty sketch btw.  If people are thinking CFD, he'd be my pick.

 

what would you have me do?

 

 

Take a meaningful stance on something.

 

 

Nyce 

Mish

Clov, Wombat, Lenlo

 

 

Any orange yet?

[wish-tree]

 

Wish - I had the same reaction to the Lenlo vote.  This is what I found when I went back to see how it built. 

 

 

 

Listen to Einstein. Keep it simple.

Your scum read on me.

 

Didnt say scum, said you were one of the better lynchs for the day and then voted for someone I felt was worse.

 

Ive actually liked your dedication to catching up, even if my eyes glaze over when attempting to read all these quote walls.

 

 

 

Yeah.

 

 

 

 

Semantics

 

 

You're missing the point then.

 

You're saying you don't have a scum read on me (your posts about me would indicate otherwise) but you're WTL me anyway for the info? At that point I don't think I had interacted with that many people to make that argument very valid.

 

 

 

If I recall correctly you said there were some posts that pinged and that AJ or Zander would make good info lynches, yet at that point I don't recall AJ interacting with many people???

 

 

 

First thing im gonna say, I was wrong. I had thought AJ had talked with more people early on. Turns out? He did jack-all until Pg 34 and then continued to do jack-all until yesterday where he flooded us with WoTs. So alot of Jack-all of AJ imo.

 

 

Was planning on doing a big WOT catch-up style post, but after reading ~30 something pages and seeing that I had less than 20 posts I wanted to actually comment on, I'll forego that and just take a big consciousness dump ITT. Most topics have been touched on and repeated enough that I don't feel the need to add anything - so I'll try to bring some fresh points to the thread.

 

Shad's joke vote on Seph early on reminds me of how he started in the Belichick game, which is cool considering our synergy in that one. I had some more of his stuff quoted in the queue before I wiped them all that I liked as well. His comments towards Hallia/wish-tree are pretty villagery and carry that sort of uncanny poise he has for a newer player. Good vibes from him thus far.

 

Wish-Tree strikes me as a Hallia.2 in the first few pages of the game. Don't know what that means yet but it's the impression I got, so there you have it.

 

Hallia and Nyn are passing the eyeball test so far. Halli's coming out strong against Kiv and I think her reaction to his whining is good in the sense that she's an emotive player and I would expect her to react that way to that sort of thing. Nyn's sharpness came out once she got past her intro catch-up. She's picking up on the details I think she would as town regarding Kiv's Pral vote, and the responses to Celeste/wish-tree are the amusingly blunt type we all know and love.

 

Wombat's OP at a glance makes me think the randomizing wasn't so good to him, more gut than anything. Wanna see him get more involved once things picked up more beyond the catch up style posts.

 

Zander/Seph/Laine seem to doing that townie circle jerk thing they like to do - we'll see how that progresses. Zander is easy going but I'll be looking for when he starts to make cases after our last game together where he got by a lot on being 'Zander'. Don't really have an opinion regarding Laine picking up Mynd's torch, the stance itself is null but we'll see where she goes with it. Not much about Seph stuck out to me beyond him reiterating a lot that he really likes wish-tree/Celeste.

 

Kivish slot giving me some troubles atm. I basically hate Kivam's approach this game, first with me and then later with Pral and the subsequent backtracking, but Mish feels pretty genuine with how she's reacting to things ITT. Wouldn't really have thought Mish would be the redeeming quality for them (no offense) but if they weren't paired I would support a Kiv wagon at this point.

His first real game post. Some reads, fine.  I disagree with them myself.

 

Feels like I'm forgetting to mention something, whatever.

 

It's been a long day/night.

Aaaaand hes gone.

 

Good morning :)

 

Walking Oliver atm so I got a few.

 

Yates looking pretty good to me skimming these pages.

 

@Mish - remember earlier where you said something earlier about liking to set traps that no one sees and Shad said he could relate? Think about that in conjunction with his vote and statements regarding parked votes. May not have been his intent, but he could be seeing who is paying attention.

A token gesture, posting stuff that doesnt really mean anything imo and looking active.

 

Razen you seem alright.

 

I agree with you regarding Nyn/Sili and their content

 

Your point on Lenlo doesn't mean anything regarding his alignment imo

More token. Afew more of these and I can play whack-a-scum at the arcade.

 

[v]Wombat[/v]

 

Seems people are starting to echo my thoughts here.

 

Need to leave for work now, I'll try to peek at the thread throughout the day if I get the chance.

People are following your thoughts on Wombat? All you had to say on Wombat was "Wombat's OP at a glance makes me think the randomizing wasnt so good to him, more gut than anything. Wanna see him get more involved once things picked up more beyond the catch up style posts.". Wow, a gut read that you then voted for.

 

After this you had the occasional interaction with someone, but nothing gameplay wise. So really you sat around on your bum for 30 pages, made a token effort, then sat around for another 50. Great contributions. I dunno why I ever thought you had done alot. Musta mixed you up with someone.

 

After this we have all of his catchup WoTs, which I will reference rather than quote to keep this in one post. Cause spam is bad kids.

 

Pgs 1-20

This one is largely just "I like this, ill reply to this jokey post, This looks interesting". Nothing telling imo, cause the first 20 pages were pretty barren for good gameplay stuff in my opinion.

 

Interested by the vote spread that I can see without being caught up in full.

 

Can't say I'm surprised with the Kivish wagon, but the Zeph one does.

 

Speaking of which, I'll [unvote] for now since I'm still catching up.

Hes catching up and sees that his Wombat train wasnt pickin up anymore, so better hop off it. Still disagree with the Kivish thing, but thats a dead horse at this point. He does make sure we all know that he is unvoting though, bringing attention to it and justifying it when he could just unvote and get back to catching up.

 

Hi wish.

 

Don't think we've really had the chance to speak yet :)

 

I'm still reading up - who are you and your other head arguing over currently? Perhaps as I read I can find figure out why/when you each thought that person was worthy of voting.

Not all the dedicated to catching up if your also trying to talk with someone in real time at the front of the thread, are you? To his credit he does keep up the conversation, brings some stuff from earlier in the thread up and in general does a good job here imo.

 

We get more catchup WoTs, that I still think are a net negative for the thread. We dont need people constantly going back and posting WoT after WoT after WoT. Just make it succinct, please.

 

After reading all of them, which was agonizing btw, I found I disagree with a good bit of it. Reference his total reads list (post 1967, Pg 99). I found Razen to be making cases without much real backing and then using those to show "Hey I did something."

 

Yates, Nyce and CorKey are fine where they are.

 

I disagree that what Pral has posted has been content laden. Dude has 15 posts and barely anything real in them.

 

Laine is Alannalynn right? I dont like this nick name, its not consistent with the posting name. :( 

 

Still disagree on Kivam. I dont think he would make a good lynch today. I think later on he will be useful in catching stuff, his lawyerness showing, and the reasons people voting him arnt that strong.

 

Disagree with me, naturaly. You cant lynch Leno.

 

 

 

 

Tl;Dr for those who wont read. I was wrong on AJ, thought he did more early when infact he did jack all. Still wouldnt call him town, cause alot of it is silly or wrong imo, but I dont have a reason to see him lynched anymore. Gonna do Zander next and maybe seph?

 

Ill try and keep it under control though cause the last thing we need is a flood of crap.

 

 

 

 

Lenlo - I liked Key's case on him. I think his backing for the Zeph vote is kinda garbage (the L-7 argument doesn't matter since it's hybrid hammer) and I dislike the way he's arguing semantics over clarifying his read on me - which seemingly came out of nowhere. Really don't like the 'info' angle he's applying to it either considering he's not evaluating Kivam in the same way. He's supposedly doing ISOs now, so we'll see what he comes up with but at this point I feel my vote is best served here.

Keys case was just as much semantics and made up lines as your accusing me of arguing with. Ill try and answer this though since im readin everything.

 

Im not evaluating Kivam that way, because I dont think think Kivam would be a good lynch regardless of how many people hes interacted with. If we applied this logic to everything we would just lynch the biggest posters every time and thats stupid. Kivam/Mish acted in a way I expected them to, so what alot of you seem to have had problems with I didnt.

 

As for the hybrid hammer thing... I got nothin. I missed that part of the rules. Sorry. Guess I should read those huh?

 

 

 

 

@Lenlo, I don't understand how you can 'be wrong' on AJ like that? How can you mix up someone who did 'jack all' as someone who would provide info?

Cause when skimming I mixed someone up probably. Go talk to the people who made this a 100 pg D1 game if you want answers.

 

 

Wow.  Hate to say this about someone who defended me that well, but that ... that's really bad.  [unvote][v]Lenlo[/v].

 

Still find Hally scummier - think I have her caught in an internal contradiction - but if that train isn't going to get support yet this is a close enough second.  would vastly prefer people move to hally though

 

 

Okay.

So your reason for voting is because he made a contradiction while trying to defend you?