[Advanced] The Usual Suspects Mafia - GAME OVER - COPS WIN

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Lol, I knew there was something else I wanted to ask Lenlo - why did you say there was no reason to lynch AJ now when in ISO you seem to be finding him scummy?

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#1107 lol, but also I feel the meta argument is done at this stage.

 

#1158 (Yates on Kivam) yeah this is pretty much what I meant in response to Laine yesterday. Kivam is pretty consistent about it being a content vote.

 

#1161 @Key re Snow's list, later on, he said they were all 'gut'. I'm not going to lambast anyone on that, but if there's no development later on then I'll be concerned. Small arguments - at that stage most of the game play has revolved around Kivam/Mish and Zander as an offshoot. It seems strange to be so far into a game with only really one big discussion point. Pral's post doesn't have the analysis I normally expect from him. It did stop half way through the game so I'm guessing there's follow up posts coming, but that post seemed narrow (still not sure that's the word I'm looking for) by itself.

 

#1192 stopping here to ISO Kivam. I feel like I'm missing something here.

 

I just spent far too long trying to figure this conversation out :( and think that it basically comes down to two people talking past each other. Interested to see how this figures itself out.

 

I didn't see the ATE/emo in Kivam's post that Sander quoted first time through, second time through I kind of see what he *could refer to.

 

#1196 and now I want to reread Sander to see if replacing emu/ATE with bad attitude means Sander makes more sense, but it's getting late again and I'm still pages behind.

 

In ISO the emo argument is consistent, I'm maybe concerned by the focus on one player as a mafia read, but unlike Belichick he isn't town reading the rest of the game with it.

 

#1198 and Kivam explains #1192 (so that was a waste of time)

 

I'm going to have to start skimming again now; tomorrow is likely to be chaos at work :/

 

#1292 Pral reaction to Kivam, here is interesting, as it's similar to Tina's in the other game.

 

#1321 @Wombat on Nolder - ok, the only game I can remember from Nolder was when he was mafia and posted a lot of fluff early game. I'll take that as null for the moment, but I'm still not a fan that there's very little that's game related yet.

 

#1322 ?????????????????????? Srs?

 

Stopping notes for now :/

 

 

 

[keyholder21]

damn mobile.

 

Being your first real game related post, I find it hard to believe that you would be so wrong on basically 1 of 2 you were suspecting. I know regardless of alignment, I am always aware of who I am suspecting and why.

 

Agree with Yates here that it would be nice to know who you were supposedly talking about, bc otherwise it looks like backtracking.

 

Also, you are picking on AJ for doing jack all, and now picking on him for his spoilered, catch ups?

[keyholder21]

@bFG - I'm on mobile, what's going on in 1322?

[Lenlo]

Lol, I knew there was something else I wanted to ask Lenlo - why did you say there was no reason to lynch AJ now when in ISO you seem to be finding him scummy?

I didnt say I found him scummy after the ISO. 

 

damn mobile.

 

Being your first real game related post, I find it hard to believe that you would be so wrong on basically 1 of 2 you were suspecting. I know regardless of alignment, I am always aware of who I am suspecting and why.

 

Agree with Yates here that it would be nice to know who you were supposedly talking about, bc otherwise it looks like backtracking.

 

Also, you are picking on AJ for doing jack all, and now picking on him for his spoilered, catch ups?

Im not picking on him for his catchups themselves, I read them and thought them good. Its just the amount of them, not just from him but from other people as well, that I think hurt the overall thread.

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@bFG - I'm on mobile, what's going on in 1322?

That was Nolder's reads list

[Lenlo]

damn mobile.

 

Being your first real game related post, I find it hard to believe that you would be so wrong on basically 1 of 2 you were suspecting. I know regardless of alignment, I am always aware of who I am suspecting and why.

Already said, I dunno. It was the same day I moved. I wasnt particularly in it. Wouldnt call it my first real game related post either. Alright if regardless of alignment I know who I am suspecting, then what alignment completely screws up like that and then owns up to the screw up?

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@Lenlo, bolded the stuff that makes it sound like you have a mafia read on AJ.

 

 

First thing im gonna say, I was wrong. I had thought AJ had talked with more people early on. Turns out? He did jack-all until Pg 34 and then continued to do jack-all until yesterday where he flooded us with WoTs. So alot of Jack-all of AJ imo.

 

 

 

 

Was planning on doing a big WOT catch-up style post, but after reading ~30 something pages and seeing that I had less than 20 posts I wanted to actually comment on, I'll forego that and just take a big consciousness dump ITT. Most topics have been touched on and repeated enough that I don't feel the need to add anything - so I'll try to bring some fresh points to the thread.

 

Shad's joke vote on Seph early on reminds me of how he started in the Belichick game, which is cool considering our synergy in that one. I had some more of his stuff quoted in the queue before I wiped them all that I liked as well. His comments towards Hallia/wish-tree are pretty villagery and carry that sort of uncanny poise he has for a newer player. Good vibes from him thus far.

 

Wish-Tree strikes me as a Hallia.2 in the first few pages of the game. Don't know what that means yet but it's the impression I got, so there you have it.

 

Hallia and Nyn are passing the eyeball test so far. Halli's coming out strong against Kiv and I think her reaction to his whining is good in the sense that she's an emotive player and I would expect her to react that way to that sort of thing. Nyn's sharpness came out once she got past her intro catch-up. She's picking up on the details I think she would as town regarding Kiv's Pral vote, and the responses to Celeste/wish-tree are the amusingly blunt type we all know and love.

 

Wombat's OP at a glance makes me think the randomizing wasn't so good to him, more gut than anything. Wanna see him get more involved once things picked up more beyond the catch up style posts.

 

Zander/Seph/Laine seem to doing that townie circle jerk thing they like to do - we'll see how that progresses. Zander is easy going but I'll be looking for when he starts to make cases after our last game together where he got by a lot on being 'Zander'. Don't really have an opinion regarding Laine picking up Mynd's torch, the stance itself is null but we'll see where she goes with it. Not much about Seph stuck out to me beyond him reiterating a lot that he really likes wish-tree/Celeste.

 

Kivish slot giving me some troubles atm. I basically hate Kivam's approach this game, first with me and then later with Pral and the subsequent backtracking, but Mish feels pretty genuine with how she's reacting to things ITT. Wouldn't really have thought Mish would be the redeeming quality for them (no offense) but if they weren't paired I would support a Kiv wagon at this point.

His first real game post. Some reads, fine. I disagree with them myself.

Feels like I'm forgetting to mention something, whatever.

 

It's been a long day/night.

Aaaaand hes gone.

Good morning :)

 

Walking Oliver atm so I got a few.

 

Yates looking pretty good to me skimming these pages.

 

@Mish - remember earlier where you said something earlier about liking to set traps that no one sees and Shad said he could relate? Think about that in conjunction with his vote and statements regarding parked votes. May not have been his intent, but he could be seeing who is paying attention.

A token gesture, posting stuff that doesnt really mean anything imo and looking active.

Razen you seem alright.

 

I agree with you regarding Nyn/Sili and their content

 

Your point on Lenlo doesn't mean anything regarding his alignment imo

More token. Afew more of these and I can play whack-a-scum at the arcade.

[v]Wombat[/v]

 

Seems people are starting to echo my thoughts here.

 

Need to leave for work now, I'll try to peek at the thread throughout the day if I get the chance.

People are following your thoughts on Wombat? All you had to say on Wombat was "Wombat's OP at a glance makes me think the randomizing wasnt so good to him, more gut than anything. Wanna see him get more involved once things picked up more beyond the catch up style posts.". Wow, a gut read that you then voted for.

 

After this you had the occasional interaction with someone, but nothing gameplay wise. So really you sat around on your bum for 30 pages, made a token effort, then sat around for another 50. Great contributions. I dunno why I ever thought you had done alot. Musta mixed you up with someone.

 

After this we have all of his catchup WoTs, which I will reference rather than quote to keep this in one post. Cause spam is bad kids.

 

Pgs 1-20

This one is largely just "I like this, ill reply to this jokey post, This looks interesting". Nothing telling imo, cause the first 20 pages were pretty barren for good gameplay stuff in my opinion.

Interested by the vote spread that I can see without being caught up in full.

 

Can't say I'm surprised with the Kivish wagon, but the Zeph one does.

 

Speaking of which, I'll [unvote] for now since I'm still catching up.

Hes catching up and sees that his Wombat train wasnt pickin up anymore, so better hop off it. Still disagree with the Kivish thing, but thats a dead horse at this point. He does make sure we all know that he is unvoting though, bringing attention to it and justifying it when he could just unvote and get back to catching up.

Hi wish.

 

Don't think we've really had the chance to speak yet :)

 

I'm still reading up - who are you and your other head arguing over currently? Perhaps as I read I can find figure out why/when you each thought that person was worthy of voting.

Not all the dedicated to catching up if your also trying to talk with someone in real time at the front of the thread, are you? To his credit he does keep up the conversation, brings some stuff from earlier in the thread up and in general does a good job here imo.

 

We get more catchup WoTs, that I still think are a net negative for the thread. We dont need people constantly going back and posting WoT after WoT after WoT. Just make it succinct, please.

 

After reading all of them, which was agonizing btw, I found I disagree with a good bit of it. Reference his total reads list (post 1967, Pg 99). I found Razen to be making cases without much real backing and then using those to show "Hey I did something."

 

Yates, Nyce and CorKey are fine where they are.

 

I disagree that what Pral has posted has been content laden. Dude has 15 posts and barely anything real in them.

 

Laine is Alannalynn right? I dont like this nick name, its not consistent with the posting name. :(

 

Still disagree on Kivam. I dont think he would make a good lynch today. I think later on he will be useful in catching stuff, his lawyerness showing, and the reasons people voting him arnt that strong.

 

Disagree with me, naturaly. You cant lynch Leno.

 

 

 

 

Tl;Dr for those who wont read. I was wrong on AJ, thought he did more early when infact he did jack all. Still wouldnt call him town, cause alot of it is silly or wrong imo, but I dont have a reason to see him lynched anymore. Gonna do Zander next and maybe seph?

 

Ill try and keep it under control though cause the last thing we need is a flood of crap.

 

 

To be fair, some of my bolded might be contentious - disagreeing with reads (for example) doesn't always mean you think they're mafia, but the general tone here is generally pretty negative.

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Either alignment could do that. In this case it looks like trying to ease off someone who was a possible lynch candidate before, but is now not. I have seen you be very nonchalant "oops" as scum, firsthand, so right now it's hard for me to buy it.

[keyholder21]

^ that was to Len.

[Lenlo]

Disagreeing with reads is not a scum read imo. And theres also stuff like this "Not all the dedicated to catching up if your also trying to talk with someone in real time at the front of the thread, are you? To his credit he does keep up the conversation, brings some stuff from earlier in the thread up and in general does a good job here imo."  the second half namely, where I praise what he did.

 

I jumped over most of the WoTs because I didnt wanna flood it, but I found them good and was glad he was catching up, even if the number of them annoyed me.

[Lenlo]

Either alignment could do that. In this case it looks like trying to ease off someone who was a possible lynch candidate before, but is now not. I have seen you be very nonchalant "oops" as scum, firsthand, so right now it's hard for me to buy it.

I like to think im non-chalant regardless of the alignment.

 

Another question: If him being a possible lynch candidate was the only reason I pushed him, as scum, why not push/vote him? From a scum point of view I have to say AJ would scare me more than Zander. Lovem both, but AJ puts things together rather well. 

 

Sadly, there continues to be no defense against screwing up. The researchers are still investigating. 

[keyholder21]

Really?

 

Because Z had votes and thread momentum heading toward his lynch. A vote on him was seemingly less likely to stand out. From scum POV, why at this point, would you push AJ over someone like that?

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Disagreeing with reads is not a scum read imo. And theres also stuff like this "Not all the dedicated to catching up if your also trying to talk with someone in real time at the front of the thread, are you? To his credit he does keep up the conversation, brings some stuff from earlier in the thread up and in general does a good job here imo."  the second half namely, where I praise what he did.

 

I jumped over most of the WoTs because I didnt wanna flood it, but I found them good and was glad he was catching up, even if the number of them annoyed me.

 

I've just reread your post above and I'm not seeing that you liked his catch up posts from your ISO.

 

The closest I can come is 'to his credit he keeps up the conversation, brings some stuff up from earlier, and does a good job jmo'

 

Paraphrased cos I'm scrolling up and down

[Kivam]

also my placeholder for goodnight

 

Liking Dice/Nyn and Wish. I actually did like Mish and disliked Kiv, but I'm a bad Mish-reader and probably biased vs Kivam (out of the game stories are no-no).

 

Csarmi - this is another one of those no-explanation reads lists that have been popping up from a few people.  Can you explain what you saw from Nyce and Wish that you liked?

 

[Lenlo]

Really?

 

Because Z had votes and thread momentum heading toward his lynch. A vote on him was seemingly less likely to stand out. From scum POV, why at this point, would you push AJ over someone like that?

Cause following along isnt always a good idea. Less likely to stand out sure, but you think in a game with Cory, Yates, Darthe, Nolder, You, Nyn, Clov and Kiv/Mish one of you wouldnt atleast inspect that? Please. 

 

Better to go with whichever you think is scummier.

[keyholder21]

How i spent my day ... dispensing parking lot justice (bmw parked, no joke, across 4 spots)Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk

Lol Kiv.

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#1107 lol, but also I feel the meta argument is done at this stage.

 

#1158 (Yates on Kivam) yeah this is pretty much what I meant in response to Laine yesterday. Kivam is pretty consistent about it being a content vote.

 

#1161 @Key re Snow's list, later on, he said they were all 'gut'. I'm not going to lambast anyone on that, but if there's no development later on then I'll be concerned. Small arguments - at that stage most of the game play has revolved around Kivam/Mish and Zander as an offshoot. It seems strange to be so far into a game with only really one big discussion point. Pral's post doesn't have the analysis I normally expect from him. It did stop half way through the game so I'm guessing there's follow up posts coming, but that post seemed narrow (still not sure that's the word I'm looking for) by itself.

 

#1192 stopping here to ISO Kivam. I feel like I'm missing something here.

 

I just spent far too long trying to figure this conversation out :( and think that it basically comes down to two people talking past each other. Interested to see how this figures itself out.

 

I didn't see the ATE/emo in Kivam's post that Sander quoted first time through, second time through I kind of see what he *could refer to.

 

#1196 and now I want to reread Sander to see if replacing emu/ATE with bad attitude means Sander makes more sense, but it's getting late again and I'm still pages behind.

 

In ISO the emo argument is consistent, I'm maybe concerned by the focus on one player as a mafia read, but unlike Belichick he isn't town reading the rest of the game with it.

 

#1198 and Kivam explains #1192 (so that was a waste of time)

 

I'm going to have to start skimming again now; tomorrow is likely to be chaos at work :/

 

#1292 Pral reaction to Kivam, here is interesting, as it's similar to Tina's in the other game.

 

#1321 @Wombat on Nolder - ok, the only game I can remember from Nolder was when he was mafia and posted a lot of fluff early game. I'll take that as null for the moment, but I'm still not a fan that there's very little that's game related yet.

 

#1322 ?????????????????????? Srs?

 

Stopping notes for now :/

 

 

 

I stopped making notes a while ago, but since I didn't correct or delete it in this - I'm aware that Pral was corrected about Kivam seeing his mafia game...

[Kivam]

Cool.

 

Town:

Razen

Hallia

Sili

Nyn

Bfg

Nol

AJ

 

[v]Zander[/v]

 

Not feeling the Kivam/Mish lynch atm. 

 

Jon, what the hell was this about?  I mean seriously, I appreciate the defense and all, but it would be more meaningful - and seem less like pocketing - if it was accompanied by something resembling content.  Definitely in my WTL pile for today

 

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*SK game

[dicetosser1]

 

Also there is some disagreement between me and nyn   she has sili higher then i do i have yates higher then she does. 

 

Yates poked and questioned early in a way i see him as town for.

 

Sili makes me nervous when he doesnt have a million posts and isnt off the wall. I have seen him as town like this but ive seen him scum like this too so im wary.

 

Problem is I have no real right to an opinion at this point.  Nyn is the game for us at this point and has a much better grasp then i do. So when push comes to shove we go nyns way.

 

like theres ANY scenario Dice you dont go Nyn's way.....lolololololol

 

 

At least im not scared of her. Can you say the same??  and know that if you say Yes you lied....:D

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[v]Lenlo[/v]

[keyholder21]

 

Really?

 

Because Z had votes and thread momentum heading toward his lynch. A vote on him was seemingly less likely to stand out. From scum POV, why at this point, would you push AJ over someone like that?

Cause following along isnt always a good idea. Less likely to stand out sure, but you think in a game with Cory, Yates, Darthe, Nolder, You, Nyn, Clov and Kiv/Mish one of you wouldnt atleast inspect that? Please. 

 

Better to go with whichever you think is scummier.

 

What? This answer doesn't make sense to me. Just a minute ago you said you would vote for AJ if you were scum because he scared you more. You asked me why you would vote for Z over him if you were scum. Now you are saying you would vote for the scummier person....which at the time was Z, who you voted for.

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But, thanks for including me in that list of otherwise great players .

[Songstress]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

Sephander (3): John Snow, Wombicat, Lenlo
Kivam (5): Hallia, Nyce, Sephander, Sili, Laine
Lenlo (5): CorKey, Razen, AJ, Yates, ClovFG
John Snow (2): Pral, Wish/Celeste
Hallia (2): Talya, Kivam


Not Voting (3): Csarmi, Nolderf, Shad

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

Deadline is Monday Aug 17th @ 9am MST/Noon EST