[Advanced] The Usual Suspects Mafia - GAME OVER - COPS WIN

[wish-tree]

Also, did wish or Celeste say they'd be afk this weekend?

We did say that. I just returned from a weekend retreat and I haven't heard from Celeste all weekend except when she told me why she was going to vote John Snow.

 

Also, I'm sorry. Really tired atm from being small group leader of a bunch of kids. Sister cried, and that was messy.

 

Will try to post after dinner. :/

[Yates]

Seriously though, its a good thing you being a fan of it doesnt matter.

I will have to go back and check on the timing of your post but if it was in the middle of the Cory/Clov/AJ deal, the timing of that "mistake" would be suspect.

[Yates]

I just returned from a weekend retreat...

Thanks. Forgot about this.

[wish-tree]

A few notes: Yes, I'm kind of new to Mafia, so if I do ask questions, I genuinely do want to know the answers to them.

I ask questions in order to formulate a detailed system/structure within my mind, and then I evaluate that system.

I'll post a possibilities post with my current thoughts of how this game/people are structured, looking at relationships between people (defined by voting patterns and buddying/pocketing) and what that means for their alignment.

[wish-tree]

Alright, going back to sleep.

[Kivam]

How i spent my day ... dispensing parking lot justice (bmw parked, no joke, across 4 spots)

 

Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk

 

 

[Yates]

How i spent my day ... dispensing parking lot justice (bmw parked, no joke, across 4 spots)

Somebody had spare time at Home Depot. I like it.

[Lenlo]

How i spent my day ... dispensing parking lot justice (bmw parked, no joke, across 4 spots) Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk

See? Just another reason we should keep Kiv around. Who else provides us with these?

[Yates]

Yeah Lenlo, this looks bad for you.

 

This is the infamous "As I said previously" post where you first mention being suspicious of AJ. Oddly, despite claiming he had "interacted with a bunch of people," you never quoted him once with anything you didn't like.

 

What *did* happen is the Cory/Clov/AJ fight ~ on page 50 post 983. That was 5 pages and 2 hours before your post.

 

So you see why I'm concerned that it was specifically AJ - someone that had been a topic of debate just prior to your post - that you "accidentally" claimed to be okay with lynching? Who was the person you actually meant, ftr??

[BFG]

Your comment about Mish/Kivam acting as you'd expect contradicts yourself earlier when you said that Mish wasn't as aggressive as you remember.

 

In that initial catch up post you didn't mention AJ or Zander/Seph at all, except that they should be lynched...

 

 

@Lenlo, I don't understand how you can 'be wrong' on AJ like that? How can you mix up someone who did 'jack all' as someone who would provide info?

Cause when skimming I mixed someone up probably. Go talk to the people who made this a 100 pg D1 game if you want answers.

 

 

 

 

Seriously though, its a good thing you being a fan of it doesnt matter.

I will have to go back and check on the timing of your post but if it was in the middle of the Cory/Clov/AJ deal, the timing of that "mistake" would be suspect.

 

Just checked, soon after

[Yates]

Also, [unvote] [v]Lenlo[/v]. Tell me why I should trust you.

[Yates]

In that initial catch up post you didn't mention AJ or Zander/Seph at all, except that they should be lynched...

[BFG]

Yeah Lenlo, this looks bad for you.

 

This is the infamous "As I said previously" post where you first mention being suspicious of AJ. Oddly, despite claiming he had "interacted with a bunch of people," you never quoted him once with anything you didn't like.

 

What *did* happen is the Cory/Clov/AJ fight ~ on page 50 post 983. That was 5 pages and 2 hours before your post.

 

So you see why I'm concerned that it was specifically AJ - someone that had been a topic of debate just prior to your post - that you "accidentally" claimed to be okay with lynching? Who was the person you actually meant, ftr??

I can almost see the info part making sense from someone that had just been talked about on thread. But that contradicts the gut part of his initial post/vote as well

[BFG]

 

In that initial catch up post you didn't mention AJ or Zander/Seph at all, except that they should be lynched...

 

[Yates]

I can almost see the info part making sense from someone that had just been talked about on thread.

Yeah but 2 people? I'm not going to argue qualifiers I guess. I just think it looks suspicious. Maybe he can clear it up. Also interested in knowing who he claims he meant. That will be important for me.

[Lenlo]

Yeah Lenlo, this looks bad for you.

 

This is the infamous "As I said previously" post where you first mention being suspicious of AJ. Oddly, despite claiming he had "interacted with a bunch of people," you never quoted him once with anything you didn't like.

 

What *did* happen is the Cory/Clov/AJ fight ~ on page 50 post 983. That was 5 pages and 2 hours before your post.

 

So you see why I'm concerned that it was specifically AJ - someone that had been a topic of debate just prior to your post - that you "accidentally" claimed to be okay with lynching? Who was the person you actually meant, ftr??

You call that a fight? Theres like 4 posts going on about it, and no votes thrown down. I wouldnt even call that an issue.

 

Your comment about Mish/Kivam acting as you'd expect contradicts yourself earlier when you said that Mish wasn't as aggressive as you remember.

 

How long ago did I make that one?

 

BFG, I never voted for AJ? And I would say maybe 70% of that whole post was me responding to amusing stuff. I wasnt trying to push a case on anyone with it.

[Lenlo]

 

I can almost see the info part making sense from someone that had just been talked about on thread.

Yeah but 2 people? I'm not going to argue qualifiers I guess. I just think it looks suspicious. Maybe he can clear it up. Also interested in knowing who he claims he meant. That will be important for me.

 

Id have to reread the entire thread to figure that out and im not doing that. It would only lead to more skimming.

[Yates]

Id have to reread the entire thread to figure that out and im not doing that. It would only lead to more skimming.

I'm not asking you to reread the entire thread.  You *should* know who you really meant or at least have some idea, right?  I mean... it's not like your life depends on it or anything...  

[Lenlo]

 

Id have to reread the entire thread to figure that out and im not doing that. It would only lead to more skimming.

I'm not asking you to reread the entire thread.  You *should* know who you really meant or at least have some idea, right?  I mean... it's not like your life depends on it or anything...  

 

It might 

 

That entire post was made on Thursday, the day I moved 100 miles, so I cant be sure of anything in it. Ill try for you though, love.

[BFG]

 

I can almost see the info part making sense from someone that had just been talked about on thread.

Yeah but 2 people? I'm not going to argue qualifiers I guess. I just think it looks suspicious. Maybe he can clear it up. Also interested in knowing who he claims he meant. That will be important for me.

 

I said almost, and the gut thing disqualifies it imo.

 

 

 

Yeah Lenlo, this looks bad for you.

 

This is the infamous "As I said previously" post where you first mention being suspicious of AJ. Oddly, despite claiming he had "interacted with a bunch of people," you never quoted him once with anything you didn't like.

 

What *did* happen is the Cory/Clov/AJ fight ~ on page 50 post 983. That was 5 pages and 2 hours before your post.

 

So you see why I'm concerned that it was specifically AJ - someone that had been a topic of debate just prior to your post - that you "accidentally" claimed to be okay with lynching? Who was the person you actually meant, ftr??

You call that a fight? Theres like 4 posts going on about it, and no votes thrown down. I wouldnt even call that an issue.

 

Your comment about Mish/Kivam acting as you'd expect contradicts yourself earlier when you said that Mish wasn't as aggressive as you remember.

How long ago did I make that one?

 

BFG, I never voted for AJ? And I would say maybe 70% of that whole post was me responding to amusing stuff. I wasnt trying to push a case on anyone with it.

 

Actually that's fair; Mish being less aggressive was near the start about Mish backing down about hydra's. You later said that they'd both been aggressive, before earlier today

 

I mean the vote on Zander

[Yates]

I'm going to try to get some sleep.  This will either be straightened out by morning or it won't.

[Kivam]

 

Fwiw I don't have feelings about Wombat one away another this game, besides finding his multiqyotes worthless. Yates did the same thing last night - quote and reply to posts that don't mean much of anything towards solving the game. Not sure its more than null for Wombat in one way or the other.

AJ said he had a gut feeling about womby, IIRC.

 

Last night Yates might have had a few that weren't much toward the gamesolve, but he also had several after that were prodding and imo were contributing to gamesolve, so why the misrep, here? I'm feeling hella good about Yatesy right now. Especially after his posts today.

 

Wombat's though were ALL fluff. Like I mentioned a page or so back, it makes me wary because this is exactly how he started the last game I was in with him - where we were on a scum team together.

 

I recognize that I have a job to do. Do you think I'm not doing it?

If your job is posting funny gifs, then I do think you are slacking just a tad.

 

 

Like this post from key. I can understand where she's coming from on this on all points.

 

FWIW, I'm skipping over the back and forth at this point in the thread involving me directly unless I see something new I hadn't caught on first read.  Otherwise, I'm just repeating myself

[Songstress]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Sephander (4): ClovFG, John Snow, Wombicat, Lenlo

Kivam (5): Hallia, Nyce, Sephander, Sili, Laine

Lenlo (4): CorKey, Razen, AJ, Yates

John Snow (2): Pral, Wish/Celeste

Hallia (2): Talya, Kivam

 

 

Not Voting (3): Csarmi, Nolderf, Shad

 

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

 

Deadline is Monday Aug 17th @ 9am MST/Noon EST

[keyholder21]

Ok, here for a little bit, but stupid tired. Grandparents brought the toddler back all sugared up so, yeah.

 

Also. Only on mobile bc hub has the laptop.

 

Vote on Len way back when was a joke, obv, but I have to say I'm happy with where it lies right now. Will see what else he does and reassess if necessary.

[keyholder21]

First thing im gonna say, I was wrong. I had thought AJ had talked with more people early on. Turns out? He did jack-all until Pg 34 and then continued to do jack-all until yesterday where he flooded us with WoTs. So alot of Jack-all of AJ imo.

 

 

Was planning on doing a big WOT catch-up style post, but after reading ~30 something pages and seeing that I had less than 20 posts I wanted to actually comment on, I'll forego that and just take a big consciousness dump ITT. Most topics have been touched on and repeated enough that I don't feel the need to add anything - so I'll try to bring some fresh points to the thread.

 

Shad's joke vote on Seph early on reminds me of how he started in the Belichick game, which is cool considering our synergy in that one. I had some more of his stuff quoted in the queue before I wiped them all that I liked as well. His comments towards Hallia/wish-tree are pretty villagery and carry that sort of uncanny poise he has for a newer player. Good vibes from him thus far.

 

Wish-Tree strikes me as a Hallia.2 in the first few pages of the game. Don't know what that means yet but it's the impression I got, so there you have it.

 

Hallia and Nyn are passing the eyeball test so far. Halli's coming out strong against Kiv and I think her reaction to his whining is good in the sense that she's an emotive player and I would expect her to react that way to that sort of thing. Nyn's sharpness came out once she got past her intro catch-up. She's picking up on the details I think she would as town regarding Kiv's Pral vote, and the responses to Celeste/wish-tree are the amusingly blunt type we all know and love.

 

Wombat's OP at a glance makes me think the randomizing wasn't so good to him, more gut than anything. Wanna see him get more involved once things picked up more beyond the catch up style posts.

 

Zander/Seph/Laine seem to doing that townie circle jerk thing they like to do - we'll see how that progresses. Zander is easy going but I'll be looking for when he starts to make cases after our last game together where he got by a lot on being 'Zander'. Don't really have an opinion regarding Laine picking up Mynd's torch, the stance itself is null but we'll see where she goes with it. Not much about Seph stuck out to me beyond him reiterating a lot that he really likes wish-tree/Celeste.

 

Kivish slot giving me some troubles atm. I basically hate Kivam's approach this game, first with me and then later with Pral and the subsequent backtracking, but Mish feels pretty genuine with how she's reacting to things ITT. Wouldn't really have thought Mish would be the redeeming quality for them (no offense) but if they weren't paired I would support a Kiv wagon at this point.

His first real game post. Some reads, fine. I disagree with them myself.

Feels like I'm forgetting to mention something, whatever.

 

It's been a long day/night.

Aaaaand hes gone.

Good morning :)

 

Walking Oliver atm so I got a few.

 

Yates looking pretty good to me skimming these pages.

 

@Mish - remember earlier where you said something earlier about liking to set traps that no one sees and Shad said he could relate? Think about that in conjunction with his vote and statements regarding parked votes. May not have been his intent, but he could be seeing who is paying attention.

A token gesture, posting stuff that doesnt really mean anything imo and looking active.

Razen you seem alright.

 

I agree with you regarding Nyn/Sili and their content

 

Your point on Lenlo doesn't mean anything regarding his alignment imo

More token. Afew more of these and I can play whack-a-scum at the arcade.

[v]Wombat[/v]

 

Seems people are starting to echo my thoughts here.

 

Need to leave for work now, I'll try to peek at the thread throughout the day if I get the chance.

People are following your thoughts on Wombat? All you had to say on Wombat was "Wombat's OP at a glance makes me think the randomizing wasnt so good to him, more gut than anything. Wanna see him get more involved once things picked up more beyond the catch up style posts.". Wow, a gut read that you then voted for.

 

After this you had the occasional interaction with someone, but nothing gameplay wise. So really you sat around on your bum for 30 pages, made a token effort, then sat around for another 50. Great contributions. I dunno why I ever thought you had done alot. Musta mixed you up with someone.

 

After this we have all of his catchup WoTs, which I will reference rather than quote to keep this in one post. Cause spam is bad kids.

 

Pgs 1-20

This one is largely just "I like this, ill reply to this jokey post, This looks interesting". Nothing telling imo, cause the first 20 pages were pretty barren for good gameplay stuff in my opinion.

Interested by the vote spread that I can see without being caught up in full.

 

Can't say I'm surprised with the Kivish wagon, but the Zeph one does.

 

Speaking of which, I'll [unvote] for now since I'm still catching up.

Hes catching up and sees that his Wombat train wasnt pickin up anymore, so better hop off it. Still disagree with the Kivish thing, but thats a dead horse at this point. He does make sure we all know that he is unvoting though, bringing attention to it and justifying it when he could just unvote and get back to catching up.

Hi wish.

 

Don't think we've really had the chance to speak yet :)

 

I'm still reading up - who are you and your other head arguing over currently? Perhaps as I read I can find figure out why/when you each thought that person was worthy of voting.

Not all the dedicated to catching up if your also trying to talk with someone in real time at the front of the thread, are you? To his credit he does keep up the conversation, brings some stuff from earlier in the thread up and in general does a good job here imo.

 

We get more catchup WoTs, that I still think are a net negative for the thread. We dont need people constantly going back and posting WoT after WoT after WoT. Just make it succinct, please.

 

After reading all of them, which was agonizing btw, I found I disagree with a good bit of it. Reference his total reads list (post 1967, Pg 99). I found Razen to be making cases without much real backing and then using those to show "Hey I did something."

 

Yates, Nyce and CorKey are fine where they are.

 

I disagree that what Pral has posted has been content laden. Dude has 15 posts and barely anything real in them.

 

Laine is Alannalynn right? I dont like this nick name, its not consistent with the posting name. :(

 

Still disagree on Kivam. I dont think he would make a good lynch today. I think later on he will be useful in catching stuff, his lawyerness showing, and the reasons people voting him arnt that strong.

 

Disagree with me, naturaly. You cant lynch Leno.

 

 

 

 

Tl;Dr for those who wont read. I was wrong on AJ, thought he did more early when infact he did jack all. Still wouldnt call him town, cause alot of it is silly or wrong imo, but I dont have a reason to see him lynched anymore. Gonna do Zander next and maybe seph?

 

Ill try and keep it under control though cause the last thing we need is a flood of crap.