[Advanced] The Usual Suspects Mafia - GAME OVER - COPS WIN

[BFG]

 

Because when I got back it was nearly midnight and it's faster to read the thread in one go without interruption. Plan was to read thread, leave thoughts, sleep, start playing tomorrow in 'real time'. I got half way through the thread by 2.30 (I'm slow anyway and half asleep) and posted what I had. I was going to try and finish the rest of the thread, but it's too late for tonight and will have to wait.

 

Okay see you tomorrow BFG

 

[Clovdyx]

 

 

I mean Ocicat/John Snow are yet to check in at this moment

 

I don't really know how relevant that is to making a read or how "helpful" that observation would be

 

In either alignment I could see Kiv pointing out Pral not posting because Pral has such a known habit of missing long stretches

 

Doesn't make the action itself any better, but if you asked me "who's a player that hasn't posted yet?" he would come to mind first just because of the association

 

Really?  After our discussion yesterday, you don't see how Kivam - specifically - singling out one inactive (who he admits to having minimal experience with) while there were others he could have mentioned could be worth noting for once there are some flips?

 

 

Okay let's play this out hypothetically

 

Kivam flips mafia

 

Pral, Player A, Player B, Player C and Player D all were inactive at the time of that post

 

Give me your reads on Pral and Player A-D and what Kivam only mentioning Pral means

 

Convince me any line of throught regarding this is > rand.

 

 

Reads would depend on what else happened in the game, but I ABSOLUTELY would be looking at Pral more closely to see if he's a viable teammate.  

[Kivam]

Clov - yeah, if he showed up immediately that would also have been a red flag. Same as if he posted just a "I'm here, caught up, be back later" post. But showing up and commenting on the thread and vote would be a null tell, since it fits equally with town and scum alignments. And since that's what i expect to happen, not a reaction test since i don't expect alignment indicators from it

 

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[Yates]

Think early on in HoC - I associate Town!Nyn with being incredibly committed to her reads and genuinely pushing them.  It's not uncommon for her to write multiple paragraphs at a time trying to push somebody and explain her side.  She barely said a sentence in a half between two or three posts where she pushed Kivam.  I wanted to see how committed she was to it and how much effort she actually made in explaining herself.

K. Just remember she was hydra with Hally in HoC. And I believe they were playing up the good cop-bad cop angle a bit. That was my mod perspective anyway.

 

At this point I'm more concerned with the content of her posts than the tone, though I do think it looks like she believes what she is saying - and that's important.

[Yates]

Clov - yeah, if he showed up immediately that would also have been a red flag. Same as if he posted just a "I'm here, caught up, be back later" post. But showing up and commenting on the thread and vote would be a null tell, since it fits equally with town and scum alignments. And since that's what i expect to happen, not a reaction test since i don't expect alignment indicators from it Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk

But you know the dude lives in India. We were all scum together in that game and Pral just wasn't around. Period.

 

So let me ask you this; what does Pral's continued silence mean to you in terms of his alignment after your prod?

[Cory Caboose]

 

Think early on in HoC - I associate Town!Nyn with being incredibly committed to her reads and genuinely pushing them.  It's not uncommon for her to write multiple paragraphs at a time trying to push somebody and explain her side.  She barely said a sentence in a half between two or three posts where she pushed Kivam.  I wanted to see how committed she was to it and how much effort she actually made in explaining herself.

 

 

I skimmed through the first 48 hours of HoC and it's almost entirely her making jokes and making very quick, reactionary judgment reads. As someone who's played with her extensively I'd say it takes her a fair amount of time - usually beyond Day 1 - to develop the confidence to pursue her reads and do more substantiate ISOs. For the most part she wings it on instinct for a bit before developing her reads more substantially.

 

I'm not going through the whole game (ldo) but the first time that game where she was writing "multiple paragraphs trying to push somebody" in that game was when she was pushing Verbal which was on Day 3, which I certainly wouldn't label as "early".

 

Cropped some of her opening that game for example (ty quote limit :thumbsup:):

 

 

 

I ran out of shame a couple of years ago

 

 

 

 

I ran out of shame a couple of years ago

I get the sense you're implying you had any to begin with.

Oh I did have some. Pretty sure it ran out when we started chatting.

 

 

 

My standards went out that window around the same time. :P

 

 

 

 

My standards went out that window around the same time. :P

Ok, more obvious now.

For your convenience <3

 

 

 

Gotta go exercise but before I forget, N0 peek on town Correh.

 

 

 

I can't really place my finger on what stood out to me about Nyn.  I've always felt I've had a pretty good grasp on her, but I just didn't really get town vibes from her.  

 

lol  sure, okay

 

 

 

You can't place a finger without my permission though. And you got your work cut out for you if you want me to warm up to you.

 

 

I'm not really seeing what you're (ie clov) seeing about Leelou, personally. Way too early for me to have a read on her but I haven't seen something that bothers me so far. Verbal's responses to me seemed akin to him. Felt okay.

 

Something bugs me a bit about AJ taking on the role of the voice of reason regarding seer cover. Could be nothing, could be something. As always, keeping an eye on him.

 

 

 

That sounds kinky

 

As intended lol

 

 

 

Hi Lee 

 

 

 

 

Wombat, Cass, Dice scumteam.

Soulread?

 

Or is it just the Aussie theme?

 

 

Wombat is an American

 

 

 

 

Nyn I've thus far got no read on.  Specifically I have the absence of one despite her activity.

 

It's okay. You'll get there eventually.

 

 

I'm feeling okay about you, hilariously enough.

 

 

 

 

However, I think Sooh is definitely wolfing this round.  She is usually a pretty pure townie.  [v] Sooh [/v]

 

I didn't like her question to Clov, basically.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I can't really place my finger on what stood out to me about Nyn.  I've always felt I've had a pretty good grasp on her, but I just didn't really get town vibes from her.  

 

lol  sure, okay

 

 

I'm not sure what you're refuting.  Are you saying I don't read you incredibly well?  Or that I SHOULD be townreading you from your play thus far?

 

 

Mostly amusement. I do think you read me incredibly well. And you usually articulate your concerns well. I don't see neither in this post but it's till really early so we'll see. 

 

 

 

[Sili Quirrels]

Sili - why disappointing? You're misreading my subjective intent, the same way clov and nyn are. No amount of arguing is going to convince you about what's in my head, so what's the point? Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk

 

Not sure I understand. I always reevaluate. My motto is to fail quickly.

 

Last time we played together, you were a wolf, and I was town, and you misrepresented people. I remember this very clearly. You misrepresented me. Please correct yourself.

[Sili Quirrels]

fail quote tag. Sorry.

[Cory Caboose]

At this point I'm more concerned with the content of her posts than the tone, though I do think it looks like she believes what she is saying - and that's important.

 

Did I just nod my head at a Yates post?

 

My worldview is shattering

[Clovdyx]

Clov - yeah, if he showed up immediately that would also have been a red flag. Same as if he posted just a "I'm here, caught up, be back later" post. But showing up and commenting on the thread and vote would be a null tell, since it fits equally with town and scum alignments. And since that's what i expect to happen, not a reaction test since i don't expect alignment indicators from it Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk

 

If I'm interpreting this correctly, the entire thing was just so that he would post content when he showed up.  Pral is never a super high effort player, but I seriously doubt he was going to show up and NOT have content.

[Cory Caboose]

Reads would depend on what else happened in the game, but I ABSOLUTELY would be looking at Pral more closely to see if he's a viable teammate.  

 

Oh JFC okay I wasn't processing what you said correctly and didn't figure out what you were implying

Okay I understand

[Sili Quirrels]

Cory, I recall you cleared Hally.

 

Why would you clear one such as hally so quickly?

[Cory Caboose]

Cory, I recall you cleared Hally.

 

Why would you clear one such as hally so quickly?

 

She's in green, I don't have any blue reads yet

 

I don't understand the question. I don't find her particularly difficult to read

[Clovdyx]

FEO Cory:

 

 

 

 

I will throw out Kaylee, Darthe, and Verb as town though.  Probably could not be talked into lynching either of them D1, barring a massive slip.  Right now, I'd be torn between Nyn and Leelou but without much confidence on either.

 

 

 

 

 

I will throw out Kaylee, Darthe, and Verb as town though. Probably could not be talked into lynching either of them D1, barring a massive slip. Right now, I'd be torn between Nyn and Leelou but without much confidence on either.

Any particular reason you picked them? They joked a lot but I haven't seen much else from them.

 

 

Leelou's response to Verbal's insinuating she might be mafia felt off to me.  I would expect Leelou to want to interact with Verbal, and it seemed to be more closing communication than opening it.

 

I can't really place my finger on what stood out to me about Nyn.  I've always felt I've had a pretty good grasp on her, but I just didn't really get town vibes from her.  

 

 

 

 

 

I can't really place my finger on what stood out to me about Nyn.  I've always felt I've had a pretty good grasp on her, but I just didn't really get town vibes from her.  

 

lol  sure, okay

 

 

I'm not sure what you're refuting.  Are you saying I don't read you incredibly well?  Or that I SHOULD be townreading you from your play thus far?

 

 

 

 

Clov came in and made a joke about the scum team's identity, naming three players that haven't posted yet. You asked him if that was a soulread and then asked if it was a aussie theme. The whole post sounded fake to me and I did not care for it.

 

Darthe's opinion of how you usually play means squat to me. Other than mentoring you in a game, I don't think we've played together before so my focus is on your play in THIS game. And OMGUS FoSing me for allegedly sheeping Darthe (of all people! lol) is not making you look any better in my eyes. I also find it interesting that I'm getting FoSed but Darthe isn't even though, under your consideration, your content so far doesn't warrant it.

 

 

Any other thoughts you have to share?

 

Nyn is trending upwards for the bold.

 

 

 

Nothing stood out - that's precisely the point.  I never have trouble reading Nyn correctly D1, because she makes it so completely obvious.  She didn't do that this game, so alarms went off.

 

 

 

From PM with seph:

 

 

If Nyn is a vanilla townie, I would be shocked at this point.  That's certainly open to change, but right now, I don't see it.  Nyn is a firm believer that town power roles should play just on the scummy side of things - not enough to get lynched, but just enough to make themselves bad NK targets - so she COULD be doing that here.  Her brevity may be because it's Day Zero (Night Zero?).  Alternatively, it may be because it's like midnight where she lives.  

 

 

In either case, she is not playing to the typical town meta.  She goes HARD in the paint and is not afraid to mix it up early and often.  That "lol sure okay" had no conviction to it.

 

 

 

 

If Nyn is a vanilla townie, I would be shocked at this point.  That's certainly open to change, but right now, I don't see it.  Nyn is a firm believer that town power roles should play just on the scummy side of things - not enough to get lynched, but just enough to make themselves bad NK targets - so she COULD be doing that here.  Her brevity may be because it's Day Zero (Night Zero?).  Alternatively, it may be because it's like midnight where she lives.  

 

 

In either case, she is not playing to the typical town meta.  She goes HARD in the paint and is not afraid to mix it up early and often.  That "lol sure okay" had no conviction to it.

 

I'm okay at mafia.

 

 

 

 

[Sili Quirrels]

Huh. Okay noted

[Cory Caboose]

Before I go further Clov what is your read on Nyn currently

[Clovdyx]

Before I go further Clov what is your read on Nyn currently

 

Lighter town ATM, was null before she followed up with me.

[Cory Caboose]

Like I still want time to develop my read on her though I'd guess she's a villager

 

And trying to see it from your POV I would guess

 

 

 

Nyn - what about Kivam's content did you not like?

 

What caught my eye at first was the way he was supporting Laine's hydra hate campaign. Some others agreed with her as well (like Zander, wind and so on), but he went about it differently. Obviously I think the whole theory is a bunch of BS because it's 100% arbitrary (oh look, I used percentage so it must be true!). But the way he was trying to make it more than what it is, using mathematical certainty, reeks.

 

I didn't realize at that point that he and Mish are hydra, and I kinda liked how she was standing her ground, but looking at the interaction between them now... it looks awkward. I mean, sure, she gets defensive at anything. But then he explains to her how it totally does make sense (which it doesn't)... and she bows to his everlasting wisdom and backs off? Considering how strongly she felt about the entire thing?  Feels off.

 

But what really struck a chord with me was his reasoning for voting Pral. He dismissed my comments about it, but it's right there. He was trying to misrep Pral. It's great that he only played with him as scum.... but he can't make an accusation based on meta if he doesn't know Pral's overall meta. His responses ranged between.... oh I only played with him as scum so that's all I know.... to him claiming that his vote was just made for reaction since Pral hasn't checked in yet. Which I don't really buy. He could have dropped a nudge vote for activity rather than use a bogus meta reason for that vote.

 

 

Is pretty much about as "in-depth" as any push she made in HoC before you townread her in that game (though admittedly it was her sex-brasiveness that shined through there)

 

So I guess my brain is jumbled and wondering if you got what you were looking for or if Nyn's response to your question satiated you :confused:

[Cory Caboose]

 

Before I go further Clov what is your read on Nyn currently

 

Lighter town ATM, was null before she followed up with me.

 

 

Okay fair enough

 

I'll find something dumb to nitpick and/or misunderstand tomorrow

[Cory Caboose]

I was going to ask you what you thought of Beck but then I remember that he subbed in for you that game and I would guess you probably stopped reading for #shrumz reasons

 

My brain left for vacation early it seems

[Kivam]

 

I actually didn't know/remember he was in India, Yates.

 

And his continued silence means nothing to me about his alignment.

 

Why, what does it mean to you?

 

 

 

 

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[Clovdyx]

I was going to ask you what you thought of Beck but then I remember that he subbed in for you that game and I would guess you probably stopped reading for #shrumz reasons

 

My brain left for vacation early it seems

I skimmed it a bit, but I didn't pay much attention to him since I knew his alignment. Didn't really do much to help me work out a solve. I might take another look tomorrow, assuming another one of my buildings doesn't catch fire

[Yates]

And his continued silence means nothing to me about his alignment. Why, what does it mean to you?

Nothing. It's null. But I didn't call him out on his activity. See what I'm saying?

[seph]

be back in a bit, I have to go pick up the fiance

[Kivam]

Re 632 - yes, and? Bottom line, i told you what my thought process and intent was. You either believe it or you don't. If you don't, no amount of arguing will change that. What could I even say? It's not like the misreads are crazy; they're internally consistent, just wrong.

 

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