[Pick Your Poison] Pulp Fiction Mafia - Game Over

[alannalynn]

what the fudge.

[alannalynn]

So basically the only choice is lynch Talya. Even if I think she's town.

[alannalynn]

Anyone here to talk to?

[Shad_]

I'm on for half an hour or so, depending on how quick I fall asleep.  It's been another long day of moving...

[Shad_]

I kind of think that if Thane and Sooh were team mates they'd have put Talya at L-1 yesterday.  I don't know though.  Talya as scum makes Kivam's lynch pretty bizarre.  I mean, she put him at L-1 when she could have done it to Dice instead.  The only thing I can think of is if Thane is scum with her and after his pleading with people to switch from Kiv to Dice she didn't want to get her hands dirty following that.  I'll hopefully have time tomorrow to reread how Kiv's lynch went down...

[Shad_]

draw attention away from anyone who'd possibly be the vig. Provide cover, if you will. Seeing i am still alive, it means that the wolves know that no vig was distributed. All the more reason to be a tad more suspicious on Shad, seeing he was the only one asking about my NA's. Possibly to set a trap and try to get me like that. Just didn't work out. 

 

I'm not following this at all.  It was a bad fake claim because it was an obvious one.  Not only did you claim to have a 2x ability before you could burn either, but you claimed to have holstered, so basically if you had been a real vig scum could have killed you N1 with both rounds in your pocket.  A real PR would never do this.  My argument was that three scum working together are less likely to come up with a fake claim like this than one town, and I town read you for it.

 

So where is the trap?  I would have called you out for shenanigans if you'd claimed to shoot BFG or claimed that you had shot someone else but a jailkeeper must have saved them.  That's not a trap.  It's reasonable cause for suspicion.  Or do you think I was waiting for a real vig to shoot so I could call you out if you took credit for it?  But that implies that I didn't know if there was a vig in the game or not.

 

And here's the catch with blue.  It only carries so far.  At this point in the game I am more than willing to consider that you are scum who made a bad fake claim and backed away from it with a sigh of relief when I town read you instead of calling for your head.  You're going to have to talk me through this potential "trap" you're seeing.

[Talya]

I think the reason that they didn't do it the first day was because they were hoping that someone would put a vote down first.

 

I caught Sooh in a lie and then she says it must have another lynch. She has swanned thriugh all game on slacking, making excuses, then eventually comes on with Thane, it looks too well coordinated.

 

I'm happy with either of these two, I can't see Shad with these two if he would be with anyone it would be Thane, so why hasn't he voted me because if he was wolf he would win. So I can't see him as wolf through this.

[Sooh]

Fascinating how even now, after all that, you don't put down a vote, Talya.

 

Yes, I haven't been here and working for my team the way I should, so I'm trying to make up for it now, by voting the right wolf.

 

I have no idea why you would think the wolves would be the first to put their votes down in F5. Best would be to hold on to your vote until someone else has voted and possibly voted a villager so the game can end.

 

Look at my interactions with Kivam through D1 especially. Are those the interactions between two on the same team? You have looked at this, Laine, and I know you have seen it, Shad. Vote Talya, and then we go to F3 and hope we nab the right wolf there.

[Thane Vakarian]

been reading and thinking about the game quite a bit. 

 

It seems to me that, indeed, Talya and Shad are the wolves here.

 

I'm sorry that you read her town, Laine, but she needs to go. 

 

Also surprised that Shad didn't vote her... could've been done already. 

 

If we don't lynch, we lose.

[Shad_]

I think the reason that they didn't do it the first day was because they were hoping that someone would put a vote down first.

 

I caught Sooh in a lie and then she says it must have another lynch. She has swanned thriugh all game on slacking, making excuses, then eventually comes on with Thane, it looks too well coordinated.

 

I'm happy with either of these two, I can't see Shad with these two if he would be with anyone it would be Thane, so why hasn't he voted me because if he was wolf he would win. So I can't see him as wolf through this.

 

You're talking about how she said Kivam self-hammered before she got online to check the thread, but she'd actually been online a few hours prior, right?  Her final comment on Kiv before she dropped out of the game for a few days was that she thought he was town.  So if they were team mates, she would not have contradicted herself at all by throwing a vote on Dice when she'd checked in earlier.  I know scum!Sooh has a habit of not voting and the same argument I applied to you could apply to her--if she was partnered with Thane and Kiv, she could have shied away from voting Dice after:

 

basically i feel that a lynch could and should happen today. Personally, looking at everything in the thread, i am convinced that dice would be a better target than kivam today.

 

Players on Kivams train, please reconsider. It only takes 2...

 

as for me, i'm in need of sleep.

 

glgl

I think not voting here makes more sense from scum than putting Kivam at L-1 or hammering him.  But Talya's saying Sooh would have looked worse for hammering--for suddenly changing her read I guess?  But Sooh had checked out on vacation before a thorough case was made against Kiv.  It would have been easy for scum!Sooh to use that to adjust her stance on him.  Point being, scum!Sooh had an easy alibi to vote Dice, vote Kiv, or not vote.  Sooh didn't vote.

 

I would have felt a bit better if Sooh had been like "I was on for 30 seconds, I hadn't caught up yet, get over it" instead of trying to work out an explanation when you called her out for being online.  Is that why you're calling it a "lie"?

[Shad_]

been reading and thinking about the game quite a bit. 

 

It seems to me that, indeed, Talya and Shad are the wolves here.

 

I'm sorry that you read her town, Laine, but she needs to go. 

 

Also surprised that Shad didn't vote her... could've been done already. 

 

If we don't lynch, we lose.

 

And this is why I'm ultimately going to [v]Thane[/v].  Too many absolutes that benefit scum.  We have to vote Dice over Kiv.  We have to save Sooh.  Shad and Talya have to be team mates.  I see two options here.  Either you consistently fought hard to save your team mates when they were up to be lynched and you both piled on town!Talya in the hopes of getting one of us to go with you, or you saved Sooh to buddy her and create another variable at end game, Talya is your team mate, and when you couldn't get me lynched today you decided to set up for a quick mislynch on me tomorrow.

 

I think Talya is more likely to be your team mate than Sooh here.  You're starting to build the fact that I haven't voted her yet into a scum case against me, prepping a damned if I do damned if I don't situation instead of answering my questions and helping me make the best decision here.  The thing is, I haven't voted her yet because I don't know her alignment.  I get the feeling you do.

 

What I don't think is going on here is scum!Sooh and scum!Talya playing us all for fools.  So we've got two lynch options on the table.  Decent chance both are scum, better chance Thane is.  We'll see what Talya does and Laine can make the final call at EoD.

[Thane Vakarian]

fair enough. We'll see. EOD would be in 2.5 hours, if i recall correctly. 

[Andrej]

Vote Count 6.2

Talya (2) - Thane Vakarian, Sooh
Thane Vakarian (1) - Shad

Not Voting (2) - AlannaLynn, Talya

3 to lynch.

Deadline is in one hour and nine minutes.

[Sooh]

Ugh Shad! Why didn't you hammer?

[Shad_]

Because it never crossed my mind that Laine might not show up.  <_<;

[Thane Vakarian]

well, no vote on talya, town has lost.. 

[Sooh]

If she doesn't, we just lost the game. 

 

No lynch means NK and maj for mafia.

[Shad_]

Yeeeeeeeah and I can't unvote, can I?  -_-

[Thane Vakarian]

nope, so well played.

[Sooh]

Votes are locked.

[Shad_]

nope, so well played.

 

Are you revealing as scum here??

[Thane Vakarian]

 

nope, so well played.

 

Are you revealing as scum here??

 

it's more congratulating you on your wolf game, actually.

[alannalynn]

This stupid decision seriously comes down to me?

[Shad_]

 

 

nope, so well played.

 

Are you revealing as scum here??

 

it's more congratulating you on your wolf game, actually.

 

 

This is more of the crap I was talking about.  If Laine shows up in time to save us and Talya flips scum you can use statements like this in your defense tomorrow.  I am town Thane.  You?  Probably not.

[Shad_]

LAAAAAAAAAAINE YOU ARE HERE