[Pick Your Poison] Pulp Fiction Mafia - Game Over

[BFG]

 

 

Yes :) anything else would have worried me

 

Can you explain your reads on Kivam and Seph up to this point?

Seph's attitude is very different here than in Star Wars. He's playing with confidence and swagger where I remember him as defensive and insecure. His more recent games should tell me if this is his new norm. Supposing for now that it is since no one has called him out for it, the big thing that bugs me is the explanation behind his Darthe vote. He contradicted himself explaining his thought process, as I see it, and I don't get how that happens if he was being honest. But he's putting on a show of trying to solve. Three votes and a lot of accusations didn't frazzle him much. It's not the Seph I towned with two months ago but that's not scummy in and of itself.

 

Kivam is interesting.  I feel like he's all over the place.  I want to interpret it as trying to shake things up and keep the game moving.  He's having a go at people who haven't been sussed at all (Sooh, Tina, Hallia, me before I got into it with Seph).  That's productive at this stage, if it creates some inconsistency.  He got on Sooh for sussing me over the Seph vote.  That felt weird, but I'm not seeing Sooh's scum game at all here and he might not know what to look for.  I don't have a clue what is normal for him so meh.  I want to like him.

 

You should.  I'm a very likable guy.

 

That said, I'm not liking the misrepresentation of my comment to Sooh.  I didn't "get on" Sooh - I said I was annoyed that a potential chance to catch opportunistic scum got busted up by her comments (and Tina's).  Like I said to Darthe, the comments themselves were a null tell.  But hey, you tell me - which part of my posts did you consider "getting on Sooh" or "having a go at Sooh"?  I'd like to see quotes, please.

 

And btw, I've never played with Sooh, Seph, or (I'm pretty sure) BFG.  But the people I have played with will tell you that doesn't matter, since I don't give meta much credence unless I know the player in question is bad enough at mafia not to either have a meta tell or not be able to change it.

 

So what do you make of Tina's vote still being on Seph, while (in your opinion - don't have time to go and check what was actually said now) pushing people away from voting him?

[BFG]

 

@BFG, because the "0-2" implies an assumption that they were actually attempted reads - i.e that darthe is town Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk

I really dislike this post by kiv. 

darthe posted them, so they are reads. apparently something you forgot while interpreting my post for me is MAFIA have to make reads as well!

I never once have called darthe town, and no it does NOT imply that.

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[v] kiv[/v]

 

Don't necessarily disagree with this. I'm not sure how concerned I should be that Kivam is apparently taking things out of context in individual posts vs. the complete change in tactics from the last mafia game of his I read. Normally I'd value the overall approach more, but...

[BFG]

@Kivam, we were both in Barm's staff mafia game, but that doesn't really count.

[BFG]

Laine????

 

 

 

 

 

[BFG]

Back after work :)

[Niniel]

 

 

@bfg - gun to your head, who do you lynch today? Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk

Same question back at you?

 

 

Hallia or Tina, for the same reason they're almost always my choice on D1 ... because they slide under the radar without contributing much, and if I don't have a better D1 scumread, my default is to take out the players who aren't contributing in hopes of nailing lurking scum - or at least avoiding an enigma that needs to be dealt with later in the game.

 

In fact ... [v]Tina[/v]

 

I'll leave my vote there until she provides some content to the game

 

 

I think I agree with Sooh - it seems like you are poking everywhere right now. Not sure if it´s townie or not. 

 

1. You will never see me posting a lot. 

2. I´m one of the few that have voted this game, I think that is contributing.

3. I´m almost always your choice on D1? I don´t know how many games we have played together. I´m sure there are some but the only one I can remember right now is the Care Bears Mafia. 

[Niniel]

I like BFG´s posts so far. She asks a lot of questions. I would like some more comments on people´s answers though.

 

 

I´m soon going to work. It´s my first day back in 7 weeks. :(

[Niniel]

I just want to understand what Kivam is talking about when saying I (and Sooh? Don´t remember who it was.) was stopping a potential Seph wagon. Did you want it to be a Seph wagon? You unvoted Seph after that, which I take that you don´t think he is mafia. So you wanted a wagon to see who would vote him to catch mafia? Would people voting him be more likely mafia? I didn´t see many people wanting to vote Seph before that either. Actually, there were a lot of people defending him. 

[Thane Vakarian]

interesting reads last night.

 

Less Darthe than usual, but i will stick that on his new job.

 

BFG in da house, got the same feel i had during the last game we were in. She's putting out quite some effort. Good

 

Seph has gotten someheat, which i deem normal. He's been active and out there a lot. it could raise suspicion, true. But i feel Seph is acting normal.

 

Good luck in your job Tina. I'll go back on monday after only three weeks off..

 

looking forward to more Laine this game.

[Talya]

 

Yeah, I think Seph blundered this, dont particularly like it, but the way he has been posting makes me feel town blunder rather than wolf. He is very careful and more articulate when wolf. This is all over the place.

 

@Darthe - what does the 401k mean...is that your salary :/ sounds like a great job, hope you settle in ok.

 

 

I'm guessing you don't like that I didn't vote you yet.  I suspect that, had I voted you, you wouldn't like that either.  Stupid games like this get what they ask for.  [v]Seph[/v]

Why are you voting Seph after he mentions it, if you thought him wolf why didn't you do it before.

 

 

Blue - What's a good example of a game where Seph was wolf?

 

Red - I saw no profit before.  Now I have more good Sooh vibes and a decent post by Darthe to work with.  Kiv's reaction concerns me a little because I get the eerie feeling that he knows I'm town.

 

As for Seph, I don't know what to make of him.  I expect him to do goofy things that look bad but his reactions to me are different from our last game together.  I'll keep my vote where it's at for now and see how things progress.

 

 

I note he has already answered...the British Monarchy game in the BT just finished. His posts came across as constructed and not natural, and the way he called me town seemed like he was buddying up to someone who he knew was town. Here he seems more relaxed, trying to push things (which didn't go well and look rubbish) but he answers seemed natural. So at present feels like town.

 

What I'm paying attention to now. Back to the thread later 20150806_190115.jpg Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk

 

Putting cuteness in the thread is cheating

 

Other than Tina and Hally, because they are low posters (and usually are), which I don't like this at all. Where would your reads be right now?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh I have a big boy job now, I'm a financial advisor, so daytime you prob won't see me like you used to.

Congrats Darthe, hope it goes well. Does this mean you won't go post mad....please?

 

 

should Darthe wield the axe... would be good, he'd be town then

Thane and seph have a wolf between them I think

 

Darthe... I usually like your early reads, but going 0-2 on page 5 is not a good look, I think that job is affecting your brain!

 

at the moment, i highly doubt that Darthe. Seph seems quite town, unless he's pulling somehting off from start D1 (which i doubt) and i have an awesome anti-wolf power up my sleave. So, if you're town as well, i'd like to throw you on the townpile and keep looking elsewhere

I'll town read Seph when I manage to piss him off and harvest massive emo town tell again.

 

Lol, well shad if you want to thunderdome on page 6, bring it :) it would be a much easier game, if I can get a town read on you. I have never seen you as scum before, and it worries me with how well you have been playing.

I feel like Shad's method for town reading me, is actually my method for town reading Dice lol.

 

Town list of awesomeness

Dice

Sooh

Thane

 

I suck at reading leelou, but her posts are fine. If she Is mafia, and darthe is town, I will the the cfd to him :)

Tayla I want to believe you are town! But if that is the case I think I need to give it another 15 games before I soulread again...

[v]Darthe[/v] the soulread couldn't have been all wrong :(

 

You have explained Thane, why Dice and Sooh as town? There are other posts which explains your soul read thing. In which you say you were probably wrong, but you vote Darthe, what is your reasoning behind Darthe.

 

 

You misunderstood me. The soul read was of the scum team kiv.

If you notice, the town reads I gave you, are the ones I posted about itt.

There have actually been 0 flip flops, what do I look like LeBron james??

Wait. What?

 

Yuo

Yup, apparently I need to be more clear, because I see how it was read the other way. I thought soulread were always of the scum team??

Leelou don't be too upset, it's only page 6, and I doubt I was even close.

I was hoping to get a reaction out of darthe with all this, but kiv is just as good :)

 

So you are saying that you did it to get a reaction.

 

I'm getting a slight town read on Seph, he usually has me as town and says nice things to me when he is wolf, lol. Seems more relaxed in this game so far. So I agree just trying to get the game started

 

 

 

Better example of how to provide substance to the posts you make. But this one is off too. Critical of seph then just accept whatever he is doing as town because he is rand to be town? I don't follow.

 

How are you getting that Talya said that Seph was town because he was rand to be town?

 

I'd rather not go through this until I get an answer.

 

 

I responded to this, you need to read. I never said I thought he was rand to be town. So don't understand this

 

I like BFG´s posts so far. She asks a lot of questions. I would like some more comments on people´s answers though.

 

 

I´m soon going to work. It´s my first day back in 7 weeks. :(

 

Good luck going back to work, I feel for you.

 

I just want to understand what Kivam is talking about when saying I (and Sooh? Don´t remember who it was.) was stopping a potential Seph wagon. Did you want it to be a Seph wagon? You unvoted Seph after that, which I take that you don´t think he is mafia. So you wanted a wagon to see who would vote him to catch mafia? Would people voting him be more likely mafia? I didn´t see many people wanting to vote Seph before that either. Actually, there were a lot of people defending him. 

 

I read it as he thought you and Sooh were making Shad look bad, so his vote looked bad, and that it would people off voting for Seph? Not sure I get it, but as BFG noticed, you were voting Seph, so it brings into doubt what I thought. I would like Kivam to answer them as well, because now I have doubt over what I thought.

[Talya]

And BFG is looking good, loving the questioning

[Kivam]

 

*snip*

 

That said, I'm not liking the misrepresentation of my comment to Sooh.  I didn't "get on" Sooh - I said I was annoyed that a potential chance to catch opportunistic scum got busted up by her comments (and Tina's).  Like I said to Darthe, the comments themselves were a null tell.  But hey, you tell me - which part of my posts did you consider "getting on Sooh" or "having a go at Sooh"?  I'd like to see quotes, please.

 

And btw, I've never played with Sooh, Seph, or (I'm pretty sure) BFG.  But the people I have played with will tell you that doesn't matter, since I don't give meta much credence unless I know the player in question is bad enough at mafia not to either have a meta tell or not be able to change it.

 

No, you didn't "get on" me as much as you were discussing semantics. I was also not a huge fan of the language you used to describe my post. Saying that I'm "running away" from a description and pegging it as "not a good look". It sounds like you're having an agenda behind this post. Whether that is because you suspect me of something or because you are setting me up for things to come I don't know, but it's noted. 

 

 

No agenda, just noting behavior. I honestly don't know why you were so anxious to avoid having your call-out of Shad be described as "pressure"; pressure isn't a bad or anti-town thing to put on another player, and the only explanation that makes sense to me for why someone would do that is scum oversensitivity to getting noticed.  Which is why we had the semantic discussion, and why I said it's not a good look; it isn't.  It's also not a big enough issue to make me throw a vote your way, so while it may factor in later in the game if the rest of your behavior starts pointing the same way, for now it's just something I'm keeping in mind.

 

Which, come to think of it, is just a long-winded way of saying what you did in your last sentence

 

[Kivam]

Thank you to the lovely Key for helping with the vote counts

 

Deadline has been set to Saturday, August 8 at 12pm PST. Roughly 38 hours from now.

 

Night deadline will be Sunday, August 9 at 9pm PST.

@ANDREJ - Please keep in mind that I am a Sabbath observer; a deadline mid-day Saturday (3pm my time) means I'll be gone for about 24 hrs before deadline (I'm picking up the kids at 5:30 today and heading to my brother's for the weekend) with no ability to check in at all

[Kivam]

ehh, I think you spilling the beans, had the dissuade factor. not sooh, nudging shad.

 

All due respect, Seph, this is silly.  Once Player A (Shad) has gotten pressure for voting Player X (You), Player X is no longer low hanging fruit and a cautious mafioso isn't going to come piling on to a bandwagon.

 

 

 

@BFG, because the "0-2" implies an assumption that they were actually attempted reads - i.e that darthe is town Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk

I really dislike this post by kiv.

darthe posted them, so they are reads. apparently something you forgot while interpreting my post for me is MAFIA have to make reads as well!

I never once have called darthe town, and no it does NOT imply that.

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[v] kiv[/v]

 

And this is also silly.  (Not the vote, but the thought process).  Mafia members don't make or post "reads".  Mafia members actually know the alignment of every player in the game, so anything couched as a read is nothing of the sort; it's a fake read (whether calling someone townie or scum).  But I'm getting the sense that you either haven't thought through the semantics of it or wouldn't care enough to make sure your post was clear, which would make that a null tell rather than potential TMI

[Kivam]

 

 

 

Yes :) anything else would have worried me

 

Can you explain your reads on Kivam and Seph up to this point?

Seph's attitude is very different here than in Star Wars. He's playing with confidence and swagger where I remember him as defensive and insecure. His more recent games should tell me if this is his new norm. Supposing for now that it is since no one has called him out for it, the big thing that bugs me is the explanation behind his Darthe vote. He contradicted himself explaining his thought process, as I see it, and I don't get how that happens if he was being honest. But he's putting on a show of trying to solve. Three votes and a lot of accusations didn't frazzle him much. It's not the Seph I towned with two months ago but that's not scummy in and of itself.

 

Kivam is interesting.  I feel like he's all over the place.  I want to interpret it as trying to shake things up and keep the game moving.  He's having a go at people who haven't been sussed at all (Sooh, Tina, Hallia, me before I got into it with Seph).  That's productive at this stage, if it creates some inconsistency.  He got on Sooh for sussing me over the Seph vote.  That felt weird, but I'm not seeing Sooh's scum game at all here and he might not know what to look for.  I don't have a clue what is normal for him so meh.  I want to like him.

 

You should.  I'm a very likable guy.

 

That said, I'm not liking the misrepresentation of my comment to Sooh.  I didn't "get on" Sooh - I said I was annoyed that a potential chance to catch opportunistic scum got busted up by her comments (and Tina's).  Like I said to Darthe, the comments themselves were a null tell.  But hey, you tell me - which part of my posts did you consider "getting on Sooh" or "having a go at Sooh"?  I'd like to see quotes, please.

 

And btw, I've never played with Sooh, Seph, or (I'm pretty sure) BFG.  But the people I have played with will tell you that doesn't matter, since I don't give meta much credence unless I know the player in question is bad enough at mafia not to either have a meta tell or not be able to change it.

 

So what do you make of Tina's vote still being on Seph, while (in your opinion - don't have time to go and check what was actually said now) pushing people away from voting him?

 

 

Not much.  Like I said to Darthe, I don't know whether Tina's (or Sooh's) post was an attempt to push people away from Seph in the first place; that's a play that would only make sense if both are scum, so if Seph is town then it wasn't that at all.  And even if Seph is scum, one or both could be townies rather than supportive teammates.  Where her vote was doesn't really impact my analysis of that at all, given how far from a lynch Seph was at the time, and has been since. 

 

[Kivam]

@Kivam, we were both in Barm's staff mafia game, but that doesn't really count.

 

Ha!  Knew we'd played together before.  And no, that definitely doesn't count

[Kivam]

 

 

@BFG, because the "0-2" implies an assumption that they were actually attempted reads - i.e that darthe is town Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk

I really dislike this post by kiv. 

darthe posted them, so they are reads. apparently something you forgot while interpreting my post for me is MAFIA have to make reads as well!

I never once have called darthe town, and no it does NOT imply that.

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[v] kiv[/v]

 

Don't necessarily disagree with this. I'm not sure how concerned I should be that Kivam is apparently taking things out of context in individual posts vs. the complete change in tactics from the last mafia game of his I read. Normally I'd value the overall approach more, but...

 

 

?

 

[alannalynn]

Hi all. Just give me until the end of the day to catch up. If I haven't posted an annoying and glaringly long WoT by then, something is probably wrong with me. This is my obligatory "I know I'm posting elsewhere but I haven't forgotten you guys" post. I'll be back after sleep

[Kivam]

 

 

 

@bfg - gun to your head, who do you lynch today? Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk

Same question back at you?

 

 

Hallia or Tina, for the same reason they're almost always my choice on D1 ... because they slide under the radar without contributing much, and if I don't have a better D1 scumread, my default is to take out the players who aren't contributing in hopes of nailing lurking scum - or at least avoiding an enigma that needs to be dealt with later in the game.

 

In fact ... [v]Tina[/v]

 

I'll leave my vote there until she provides some content to the game

 

 

I think I agree with Sooh - it seems like you are poking everywhere right now. Not sure if it´s townie or not. 

 

1. You will never see me posting a lot. 

2. I´m one of the few that have voted this game, I think that is contributing.

3. I´m almost always your choice on D1? I don´t know how many games we have played together. I´m sure there are some but the only one I can remember right now is the Care Bears Mafia.

 

 

1 - yes.  I know.  I'm not concerned with quantity as much as quality, and until you just engaged, there wasn't much in the way of quality.

 

2 - Here was your vote:

 

[v] Seph [/v]

 

 

And hi Shad! I don´t think I have played with you before. I fear I will mix you and Seph in my head.

 

No, a vote with no explanation and a hello to another player is not "contributing"; it doesn't do anything to help solve the game and doesn't do anything to help clarify your own alignment.  Content. Reads lists. Thoughts on other players and not just the one voting you.  You don't have to post often - but if you're going to post rarely, make the ones you do actually post count for something.

 

3. Yeah, I vaguely remember that game, and I'm pretty sure I voted you D1 to prod you into participating, too.  (Of course, I also don't remember whether I was scum or town in that game, so ...).  I think I may have done it one other time as well. 

 

Look, this is a philosophy thing for me.  Inactive players annoy me - especially when I am modding.  So part of my goal for D1 is to rattle as many cages as possible, generate as many reactions as possible, and especially from players who would otherwise stay silent.

 

So yeah, I will always be looking to send pressure your way (or Hallia's or other players known to be low-volume) on D1 in any game we play together, because that tends to bring you out with more content, which makes it easier to read your alignment later in the game.

[Leelou]

Hallia - her posts have been underwhelming 
Darthe - so far, I'm okay with Darthe. Not lynching him D1
Thane - I like his presence, slight town, I need to wait a couple phases to see how engaged Thane is to firmly put him in the town pile though
Laine - has made ONE post (timestamp 2 days ago)

 

Checking in from work! Be back later!

 

 

Seph - he's so awkward in openings. I can't decide right now on him
Kiv - NEVER trust this one. <3
Dice - he's posting, but townie Dice hasn't jumped out yet. 
Tina - No bad vibes yet
BFG - liking BFG, she's sitting in my town pile for now
Shad - I think we only played one game together and I was scum. Your posts feel okay so far, reads on people other than Seph? 
Talya - I like that she is asking questions, far too early for me to have a read on her though
Sooh - null

 

I'm having a hard time getting into this game. People are interacting, but it doesn't really seem like there is a lot going on. 

 

Oh, as I posted this it looks like Laine posted again. Eh, just another I'll post later post. Meh

[alannalynn]

....My intentions are good?

[alannalynn]

Soon enough you wont be able to shut me up. Remember, I'm most annoying on the weekends Leelou

[Leelou]

Soon enough you wont be able to shut me up. Remember, I'm most annoying on the weekends Leelou

 

Maybe you can actually spark some life into this game. Are you town? 

[Kivam]

I just want to understand what Kivam is talking about when saying I (and Sooh? Don´t remember who it was.) was stopping a potential Seph wagon. Did you want it to be a Seph wagon? You unvoted Seph after that, which I take that you don´t think he is mafia. So you wanted a wagon to see who would vote him to catch mafia? Would people voting him be more likely mafia? I didn´t see many people wanting to vote Seph before that either. Actually, there were a lot of people defending him. 

 

Yes, I wanted a Seph wagon, both before and after I thought he was scummy.  The vote on him was real, based on inconsistencies in his posts ... at least, given how I and others were reading them.  But his explanation for the discrepancies was a good one, and I believed it - at least enough to make me unvote.  But precisely because I thought his explanations were good, I waited to actually unvote to see whether any other players would pile onto him despite his answers - since that, to me, would be a sign of potential scum.  That's why I'd say people voting him once he had some momentum would have been more likely to be mafia; he already had a 3 vote train that had built before his explanations, so adding fuel to the fire would have been an easy scum play (and less easily understood as town play given his explanation).

 

Could you link me to the "a lot of people defending him"?

 

[Leelou]

Hi Kiv