[Pick Your Poison] Pulp Fiction Mafia - Game Over

[Sooh]

I'm travelling today, but I'll stop by tonight and see what's going on. 

[alannalynn]

Blue - Do you honestly believe I would make a post as OOC as my Seph vote because I was so eager to lynch him that I put no thought into my words?  I could even humor suspecting the test because you feel it was overplayed, but if you think there was no test, get on my level.  I refuse to believe my scum game could be that bad.

 

(The posts are a little backwards because I didn't want to quote every iteration.)

 

Getting the game going, and getting reactions is scummy?

Maybe you need to post a play by play again, on how I should play the game.

 

Shad, why are you giving me a pass here?

Darthe you vote to get a reaction I believe. And did you just call me scummy, but not scummy?? Why are you not voting me?

 

You think this is going to get me killed?? Trust me I'm not letting anyone mislynch me this game, unless I take down. Wolf or two in the process.

To you I say, glgl.

 

Keeping my vote on darthe for fence sitting.

 

About half of the posts I've made in this game so far have been directed at you.  How does this question make any sense whatsoever?

 

I'm guessing you don't like that I didn't vote you yet.  I suspect that, had I voted you, you wouldn't like that either.  Stupid games like this get what they ask for.  [v]Seph[/v]

This reaction seriously threw me off because I did not see it as you looking for reactions. It looked to me like you were annoyed and jumped on his vote because he asked for it and that's why I call it OOC for you; you are logical and will get to the bottom of things before you get fed up and just vote someone. So, no, I was NOT reading it as a test at all, call me whatever you want for that.

 

 

 

I'm guessing you don't like that I didn't vote you yet. I suspect that, had I voted you, you wouldn't like that either. Stupid games like this get what they ask for. [v]Seph[/v]

For you this is a very assumptive post

 

Agreed.

 I missed this post the first time I went through.

 

 

Yeah, I think Seph blundered this, dont particularly like it, but the way he has been posting makes me feel town blunder rather than wolf. He is very careful and more articulate when wolf. This is all over the place.

 

@Darthe - what does the 401k mean...is that your salary :/ sounds like a great job, hope you settle in ok.

I'm guessing you don't like that I didn't vote you yet.  I suspect that, had I voted you, you wouldn't like that either.  Stupid games like this get what they ask for.  [v]Seph[/v]

Why are you voting Seph after he mentions it, if you thought him wolf why didn't you do it before.

 

Blue - What's a good example of a game where Seph was wolf?

 

Red - I saw no profit before.  Now I have more good Sooh vibes and a decent post by Darthe to work with.  Kiv's reaction concerns me a little because I get the eerie feeling that he knows I'm town.

 

As for Seph, I don't know what to make of him.  I expect him to do goofy things that look bad but his reactions to me are different from our last game together.  I'll keep my vote where it's at for now and see how things progress.

 Red: I think this can be considered profit from your vote, sure. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Leelou, I was voting darthe to get a reaction out of him, plain and simple.

0% the soul read was simply for fun, ad i figured by placing a vote, referencing it people wouod realize it as a joke. Which most did mind you.

It's page 7...point me to somone who is actively scum hunting with only half the game checked in leelou.

The reactions I got towards the post however, will help towards hunting.

 Red is reasonable.  Green really isn't when you are someone who I know makes serious votes early in a game without much to back them.  If you're town, try to keep in mind that it's ok to look derpy sometimes even if you really aren't.  This reads to me like you're digging for an out rather than explaining your thought process.

Because here it looks like you were giving me a pass. Every other game I have been in with you, when you find something suspicious, you usually lay down a vote. I found d it odd is all

 

Does this, in your opinion, undermine my assessment of your game so far?

I don't see how that is even related. Your opinion is yours, and it's my choice to agree or disagree. I have stated what i felt uncomfortable, never did I call your reads, or case crappy, I think it was more of a misunderstanding, or you are trying to make something more out of it.

 

This is the sort of assumptive defensiveness I have been digging for.  Not enough to make me feel great about you but a positive sign.

 

 

 

 

Shad :) glad you're here...

 

What's your take on Darthe at the moment?

 

They haven't changed.  Darthe is Darthe.  He plays games with people and I take almost nothing he says at face value.  He brought up my Seph vote in a way that was accurate without being opportunistic, and I like that.  Scum!Darthe is totally capable of it, but relatively low involvement while still paying attention looks good I think.  I want to think he'd find a way to be more active as scum, but again, he is Darthe.  I will accept him until I have reasons not to and never let good feelings about his slot carry for too long.  I have no reasons not to accept him so far.

Ok, what was presumptive about your post? He doesn't seem to draw or guess your alignment from it?

I'm torn between prodding your slot and answering this question.

 

I initially asked Seph how he could say I'm "giving him a pass" when I'd been questioning him pretty heavily. Instead of giving him a chance to answer, I decided to come back with:

I'm guessing you don't like that I didn't vote you yet. I suspect that, had I voted you, you wouldn't like that either. Stupid games like this get what they ask for. [v]Seph[/v]

I'm putting lots of words in Seph's mouth here. Maybe he didn't like my "if you are town" comment. He never asked me why I hadn't voted; he asked Darthe that. And I'm assuming in this post that I know how he would have reacted to me voting him.  Maybe if I was thoroughly convinced he was scum I thought I did, but even then is it normal for me to make these kinds of assumptions?

 

I had expectations for how certain people would honestly interpret this post.  It was mainly meant for Seph, but I'll catch what I can in passing.

 

So, what do you make of my vote and the reactions to it?  You didn't bring it up until recently.

The reason I said this post felt like backtracking is because it appeared that you got caught in that vote for Seph and were trying to explain it away as a reaction test, but I can see now that you based it off of an assumption (asking for Darthe's vote) and called it after the fact. I'll also probably concede that I should have realized this Seph-test was just that

[alannalynn]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

BTW, Shad, serious question - you think emo is a town tell? To me, it usually signals scum flailing

I think that's a silly generalization and you have to look at the root of what's upsetting someone. People are more transparent when you get them fired up, and Seph happened to enter that game with a real chip on his shoulder so it was easy to exploit it and extract his alignment.

 

BTW, I think it's complete BS that you would make a response to a basic question about game strategy into a personal attack. "Silly generalization"? Show a bit of respect

 

You are kidding, right?

 

Of course. Like I said, emo is too easy to fake. Just pick some imagined slight, blow it up into a personal attack, and start lashing out while complaining that people are against you.

 

Which is why my personal preference is for Emo-play to be an autolynch. Not only does it eliminate fake emo as a strategy, but it keeps the games fun.

 

/soapbox.

 

BTW, serious question - who hasn't checked in yet. I know Tina hasn't. Anyone else?

 

 

-_-

Obviously doesn't prove your point, but clever bait. Shad has a town lean on somebody. Yay.

You're going to have to talk me through this one...

Eh, remember when I laid a sort of trap at the start of Belichick? I feel like I fell into one here. His push on me was stupid but he'd pre-planned an out for it. I do things like that to get reads on people when I see an opportunity to, so I want to believe he was doing the same. Not that my reaction could have told him much. <_<

So did your read come from the potential the 'trap' had or his response to your reaction?

The potential, which I would have never recognized without the response. Does that make sense?

Okay this here makes sense to me, I think you're saying that scum wouldn't have the need to set a trap such as this for town reads? At least that's what I'm gathering from it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

BTW, Shad, serious question - you think emo is a town tell? To me, it usually signals scum flailing

I think that's a silly generalization and you have to look at the root of what's upsetting someone. People are more transparent when you get them fired up, and Seph happened to enter that game with a real chip on his shoulder so it was easy to exploit it and extract his alignment.

 

BTW, I think it's complete BS that you would make a response to a basic question about game strategy into a personal attack. "Silly generalization"? Show a bit of respect

 

You are kidding, right?

 

Of course. Like I said, emo is too easy to fake. Just pick some imagined slight, blow it up into a personal attack, and start lashing out while complaining that people are against you.

 

Which is why my personal preference is for Emo-play to be an autolynch. Not only does it eliminate fake emo as a strategy, but it keeps the games fun.

 

/soapbox.

 

BTW, serious question - who hasn't checked in yet. I know Tina hasn't. Anyone else?

 

 

-_-

 

Obviously doesn't prove your point, but clever bait. Shad has a town lean on somebody. Yay.

 

So this exchange still sounds strange, but I'm not sure why.

 

Kivam doesn't like using emo as a town tell so fakes emo on nothing. It's obviously fake and Shad reads it as townie, because of the read potential? I sort of understand why Shad made his read, but it still stands out at this point.

 

I don't understand what Kivam was trying to achieve. BUT it was early in the game, so its possible its just to get conversation started?

 

I had no idea if Kivam was honestly interpreting my "silly generalization" as a scum push or if he was scum trying to make a stupid push on me. Both are really derpy plays. When he came back that he was making an example of "fake emo" I placed my palm firmly in the middle of my face and opted to read the play as a soft test to see how I would react. He might have just been making an example of how to effectively "fake" emo, but considering I didn't bite in my response, his reply to me didn't make much sense from that angle. Testing people to gauge their reactions as a fairly town play.

 

Red - You don't think I misinterpreted him.  Do you believe it was a trap and Kivam is lying, or do you believe I pretended to think it was a trap? If the former is true, what makes you so sure that scum!Kivam did not deny the trap in order to get me mislynched? Iirc he didn't comment on my assumption until other people sussed me for it. If the latter is true, why did I not support my town lean until someone asked?  How does that jive?

 

I thought it was a trap.  I didn't go into much detail because I wanted to see who would ask.  Laine has seen me withhold explanations like this many times.

Underlined: I don't see where Kivam ever said it was or wasn't a trap. Reading the exchange the second time I saw that you took it as a trap and that is where your town read came from. I'll admit I don't get everything the first time around. The reason I said before that it came off as you being wary is because you expected it to be a trap and not for some other reason (ie an example of faking emo)

 

Red: What do you mean by this?

 

Just pulling this exchange, since Shad is spinning it a bit.  There was nothing suspicious about Shad suggesting he townread me based on our interactions.  What became scummy was when he later claimed that he saw it as some sort of reaction fishing, when it was self-evidently nothing of the sort.  Seriously, what exactly would a scum response to that have even looked like?

I think Kiv is referring to the post in blue when he speaks of reaction fishing? When I read it I saw it as you proving a point and not necessarily trying to gauge how Shad would respond, but then he town read you from it as a result on the premise that it was a test. What I'm guessing is that the distinction is that it isn't likely for mafia to set a trap for town reads, not necessarily that Kivam was fishing for a read either way?

 

This is why I play this damn game straight and don't try to make silly plays or assume things are more than they seem. Probably makes me a sub par mafia player but idgaf.

[alannalynn]

 

 

 

Ok, I've just ISO'd Shad, and as far as I can tell, his focus was pretty much on Seph and then Tina in terms of 'hunting' yesterday.

 

He responds to Kivam about the emo tell thing

Agrees with Darthe about his vote being presumptive

Responds to Talia about his Seph vote

Responds to me about Kivam

 

Then gives out his reads list (general stances do look reasonable on the whole)

Backs off Seph and cases and votes Tina having spent time looking at the 'inactives'

 

There's a lot of follow through with his case on Seph and I don't have much of a feeling on the vote itself. He's been building up to it but the explanation with the vote was because of the 'game' Seph was playing, not because of finding him scummy.

 

I kind of expect Town!Shad to be more proactive than this. He doesn't have multiple suspects, he addresses Seph, backs off goes for Tina.

 

I want to check votes properly to see how Shad's train stacked numbers wise against Tina's at different points. But I think Shad just dropped in my list.

 

I also buy Leelous reasons above for the vote and build up, at least for now, so Leelou's heading up.

 

 

As an immediate difference with the games of his that I remember (SW, Belichick) there's been little to no interest in finding Town (until his reads list). Not sure how much emphasis I put into words but looking again at his reads list, although he's reading (e.g.) Sooh, Leelou as town, he says 'feeling pretty positive', 'like what I'm seeing so far', etc...

 

 

Let's do specifics...

 

Dice what are your thoughts on Sooh and Hallia?

 

Laine what are your thoughts on Shad and Talya?

Ninja'd lol

 

Shad I'm very wary of. His reaction post to Seph asking for a vote was very OOC and then playing it off like a reaction test felt like backtracking. That coupled with him calling the trap from Kivam just feels so weird. He's coming off as very wary this game but still has those really townie moments interspersed. I've never really had to question my read of Shad before, and that has me thinking that he's mafia.

 

As for Talya, I need a lot more time for her. I like her reads list, I need to go back to it and look it over though because I mostly skimmed it. But I have a hard time reading Talya to being with.

 

Basically this is total garbage. In Belichick Laine comes in dead set on buddying me and trying to look as engaged as she can fake it. When I dabble in tests and post OOC her reaction is consistently "that's weird but I'm ok with it/will trust you". The buddying fails to swoon me, AJ and I dissect her activity and lead a lunch on her. Here she sits out most of D1 and I comment that I hope she's not keeping quiet because she's afraid I'm high-tuned to her scum game. I vocally lunch Tina D1 and she flips town, and now suddenly Laine's out of the cave and gunning for me, calling me out for the dirty side of my town game that she's seen four times now. Calling my Seph test "backtracking" is opportunistic AF coming from her and I'm not going to give it a pass.

 

Do you really think I care if you call me scum Shad? I'm not playing to any one particular person. I'm here to town tell and lynch scum. That I'm noting a difference in your play is just me scumhunting.

 

Post 626 @Shad: The distinction is that it didn't bother me the first time but looking back I realized that you did were part of the trap thing twice already and both times felt like failed attempts to me. It comes off as you being wary instead of pro town. In Seph's case, you vote him and then once people say it was unlike you, you backtracked and say it was for reactions. In Kivam's case, you spring his trap and call him town for it, but people started questioning the legitimacy of it. Something feels off there and I'm not going to not call it out.

 

I did like your points on Tina because they were the same things I thought that led to me voting her.

 

Red - You don't think I misinterpreted him.  Do you believe it was a trap and Kivam is lying, or do you believe I pretended to think it was a trap? If the former is true, what makes you so sure that scum!Kivam did not deny the trap in order to get me mislynched? Iirc he didn't comment on my assumption until other people sussed me for it. If the latter is true, why did I not support my town lean until someone asked?  How does that jive?

 

I thought it was a trap.  I didn't go into much detail because I wanted to see who would ask.  Laine has seen me withhold explanations like this many times.

 

Blue - Do you honestly believe I would make a post as OOC as my Seph vote because I was so eager to lynch him that I put no thought into my words?  I could even humor suspecting the test because you feel it was overplayed, but if you think there was no test, get on my level.  I refuse to believe my scum game could be that bad.

 

 

Look at who actually voted me in this game.  Tina, who has never played with me before.  Kivam, who has never played with me before.  And Leelou, who modded my very first game and aside from that only saw me for one phase, when she was scum and not paying much attention.  If you base my game off the risks I take, I don't know how you've ever cleared me as town.  I expect there to be enough town in this game who know me that I will not get mislynched for risky plays.  In my mind you should be one of those players.  So are you scum here?

 

I thought back to Alien when I wrote this and remembered saying "Hunts witches instead of wolves, but with so much vigor...  If she manages to lead a charge it's going to be a mislynch".  Is that what I'm seeing here?  The pounce in your push on me feels more natural than your pushes on Dice and Rand in Belichick.  You went at Rand with a lot of faked disgust.  Look how OBVIOUSLY scummy he is type stuff.  You aren't doing that here.

 

I want to look at Kivam's slot.  His ignoring my observation of a trap until others sussed me for it and then denying it/scum reading me for the play is pretty fishy.  He has a lot of long posts full of technicalities and I did not give them half as thorough a look as I would like to.  With Tina off the table and Kiv around to answer questions, I intend to do this.  Laine is going at me like she goes at derp players when she is town.  I see no excuse for this, but I don't see a parallel to her tone as scum either.  Meh.  I was wrong with Tina.  That was only the second time I've been on a lynch that flipped town, and the first that I wasn't hesitant about.  I don't want to rush head-first into a Laine lynch.  I don't want to lose my head and set us back further either.  Laine, we're either two friendly lions mauling each other or your scum game has changed in a short period of time.  We have 48 hours and I intend to use them.

Purple: I already posted some questions for the Kiv-test and I'll concede on the Seph-test. I am town here Shad.

 

The rest of this post after the purple is just crap posting. Bold is all crap, though I'm probably going to put that red in my sig after this game, just for you. And if we're gonna talk about "natural pushes" maybe that's why I didn't get your Seph test the first go-around, or you should have spelled it out with giant gold letters. You make it seem like I'm too stupid to be able to scumhunt in these games and I'm refraining from being a total jerk about it. Go read the Harry Potter game if you want to know why I'm reacting like this to your comment. I do what I can; if I'm wrong, I'm wrong and we can try again. 

 

I would argue that I'm the one derping, but that's not the point. [unvote] for now, and show me some better options.

[Kivam]

Checking in. I have am interview this afternoon, so I'm likely to be a light presence today.

 

Alanna, can you explain why you unvoted? Who else are you WTL?

[alannalynn]

I unvoted pending answers and because Shad is making at least some sense and is currently less odd than I thought he was.

 

WTL... not sure I have a WTL. I have some unsure areas like Shad and Leelou, to a minor extent Thane.

 

I'm always up for lynching Darthe, but he's not annoying me for once.

 

Would like to hear more from Hally.

[Leelou]

What about Dice?

[alannalynn]

What about Dice?

Good question. Idk.

[Leelou]

Why do I not have the best feels from you, Laine?

[alannalynn]

Because I'm not town leading and would rather not?

[alannalynn]

Also, BFG was my filter. She's gone.

[Leelou]

Also, BFG was my filter. She's gone.

It's no real shock she was killed last night.

[Talya]

Shad - What do you mean by the words "sussed me" you say it a few times.

[Talya]

Leelou - if not Shad is there anyone else in your WTL?

[alannalynn]

Shad - What do you mean by the words "sussed me" you say it a few times.

"to sus" = to be suspicious of. I swear these shortened words are getting worse and worse, but we just can't help it.

[Talya]

Ahhh..ok We use the word to mean worked out...it sounded like he was saying people had found him out.

[Leelou]

Leelou - if not Shad is there anyone else in your WTL?

 

Dice. I need to read through again to get a better grasp. Won't be for a bit yet though. Just got to work. 

[Andrej]

Vote Count 2.4

Hallia (1) - Darthe
Shad (3) - Kivam, Leelou, Hallia

Not Voting (7) - Thane Vakarian, AlannaLynn, Seph, dicetosser1, Shad, Talya, Sooh

6 to lynch.

Deadline: 9pm PST Tuesday, August 11

[Hallia]

Shad was my other suspect yesterday, and his posting hasn't changed my mind.  I'll do a more substantial posting after work, but I am going to follow up in the meantime with

 

Vote: Shad

[Andrej]

Vote added above.

[Talya]

ISOing Sooh..

 

Begins with fluff.

 

Defends Seph, in fact a lot, despite saying she is not ready to "hard defend" Seph.

 

Responds to Kivam ref Shad's Vote Pressure - feels a little defensive here.

 

 

 

I really liked the interaction between the two of them.
Sooh is probably my stongest town read, her tone is great, she isn't posting cautiously. She is all around towny in my eyes!

 

I'm kind of agreeing with you on this one.  Tone is strikingly different from Alien and SW.  Sooh, are we team mates for once?

 

I hope so.. If you're town we are. 

 

I'm a bit irked by the way you've been using semantics against Seph so far in this game. To me Seph reads like trying to kickstart the game and wanting to get reactions, which he has gotten in spades. Not sure how people are reading this as a scummy move. 

 

 

I kinda like that Seph is trying to kickstart things. I think that's very positive for his alignment.

Posts like this are basically word vomit.

 

You have always been such a sweetheart, Darthe

 

[v] Seph [/v]

 

 

And hi Shad! I don´t think I have played with you before. I fear I will mix you and Seph in my head. 

I don't like this vote. 

 

Also not a fan of Shad's vote on Seph. 

 

I'm not ready to go out and hard defend Seph, but I don't see anything scummy in what he's doing. He's poking and prodding and getting people to react to him. Actually Shad's vote on Seph is probably one of the more emotionally involved votes I've seen Shad make. 

 

Well, I like cats and Norwegians. :D

I like cats and Swedes

 

but I will always and forever make fun of Sweden and Swedes whenever given the opportunity. It's a promise.

 

 

 

Bolded Blue - What Semantics? The post you quote doesn't really say anything

 

Bolded Green - How do you know that he wasn't doing this as Mafia? You seem so staunch he is Town, in fact no criticism of the situation at all, except on everyone else. What do you think of his reduced participation since this took place?

 

Bolded Black - This is the Not Hard defending Seph, In fact ends up being his body guard whenever anyone brought this up again.

 

 

Shad somewhat pings me to start off with here. His responses are far more guarded and cautious than I'm used to from him. This isn't just based on the Seph vote, but his reactions to Kivam too in the discussion they have from #98 and onwards. 

 

I would peg #106 from Seph more a snipe at Darthe than anything to really take too seriously, but #107 from Kivam seems to be taking this extremely seriously. I know Kivam has discussed semantics with several players, so for now I'm just going to assume he's doing it to get reactions, and not that it's scum trying to jump on every little thing they see that could throw suspicion on someone else. I could read it both ways. Going to give him the benefit of the doubt for today, especially since he's not here to defend himself at EOD. I most definitely would like to look into him for tomorrow though. Too many things just look like scum trying to misrep to get an easy lynch. Hopefully I'll be able to find one more suspect before EOD so I don't have to place my vote here. (yes, I know. It's contradictory.)

 

People also spend a whole lot of time discussing Seph's joke/reaction vote on Darthe. To me the two aren't mutually exclusive. It can be a joke vote on a person, but you may also hope that that person will react to you in a certain way and help that to inform your read. I guess I just don't see Seph as scummy in this case. 

 

Read and commented up to page 10. I'm going to the store to buy junkfood and then I'll be back to tackle the rest of the thread. 

 

Bolded above - reread the 106 qand 107, I can see why Kivam thought it was serious, Seph was responding to Darthe's wolf between Thane and him, Seph's post looks like he was reacting to it rather than joking. As for Kivam wanting reactions, he's a lawyer, it's the way he thinks and plays - no matter his alignment. It is very contradictory, not seeing how you come up with what you do. First part sounds like you think what he is doing is null, but wanting to lynch him, but won't because he's not here...sounds more like a cop out.

 

WTL for Sooh - at this stage was: Tina, Shad, Darthe and Kivam.

 

Votes Tina, but not until after a lot of people have. She is in her WTL, but seems hesitant.

 

Has Hally as a town lean.

 

Sooh - who are your WTL D2 and Who are your town?

 

Too much defending of Seph, hesitant on her vote of someone in her WTL.

 

Add Sooh to my WTL

 

need to ISO more

[Shad_]

 

Red - You don't think I misinterpreted him. Do you believe it was a trap and Kivam is lying, or do you believe I pretended to think it was a trap? If the former is true, what makes you so sure that scum!Kivam did not deny the trap in order to get me mislynched? Iirc he didn't comment on my assumption until other people sussed me for it. If the latter is true, why did I not support my town lean until someone asked? How does that jive?

 

I thought it was a trap. I didn't go into much detail because I wanted to see who would ask. Laine has seen me withhold explanations like this many times.

Underlined: I don't see where Kivam ever said it was or wasn't a trap. Reading the exchange the second time I saw that you took it as a trap and that is where your town read came from. I'll admit I don't get everything the first time around. The reason I said before that it came off as you being wary is because you expected it to be a trap and not for some other reason (ie an example of faking emo)

 

Red: What do you mean by this?

 

 

First sentence: Kivam said it wasn't a trap in the sense of reaction fishing later, after people started questioning my town lean. (Posts below.)

Second sentence: The scum alternative is that 1) I know what Kivam really means but 2) I pretend to misunderstand him and fake a town read based on that misunderstanding but 3) I don't make it at all evident that I misunderstood him, nullifying my justification.

 

I wasn't trying to achieve anything beyond proving my point that using emo as a towntell is a sucker's game

Kivam was arguing in response to my comment that in a particular context coming from a particular player, emo can be a towntell. It did a ton to clear Thane in Belichick. It can factor into how I read Seph and Salami. I don't see where Kivam was proving anything. But I do see a situation where he could gauge someone's reaction to a (rather silly) accusation and then safely back away.

 

 

So what's your opinion of Shad town reading you for it?

Scummy as hell. One of the major reasons (along with the push on Seph and a few other things of note) that I parked my D1 vote there.

 

My personal 3-deep willing to lynch pile is Shad, Dice, and Seph.

 

Just pulling this exchange, since Shad is spinning it a bit. There was nothing suspicious about Shad suggesting he townread me based on our interactions. What became scummy was when he later claimed that he saw it as some sort of reaction fishing, when it was self-evidently nothing of the sort. Seriously, what exactly would a scum response to that have even looked like?

Red: If I didn't view it as reaction fishing, how is my town lean remotely justified?

 

Blue: "Silly generalization" comes to mind again here.  I don't think there has to be a clear "scum response" to a situation for reactions to be useful.  At least this sort of question feels consistent for you though.

 

I'm getting the impression you're someone who looks for textbook tells without trying to build much of an understanding of how individual players think.  Your emo post as a matter of "proving your point" is null in that regard, but I want you to walk me through why your initial understanding of my read was acceptable but the reaction-fishing based read was not.  You say I'm spinning it without humoring a misunderstanding.  Why, and what were the other "major reasons" you voted me D1?

[Thane Vakarian]

With BFG down, the activity in this game has dropped significantly. This way, the wolves can just lurk their way to victory. Not planning on letting that happen.

 

I started work again after 3 weeks off, and have some difficulties adjusting. I am around however. 

 

Why is everybody so quiet?

[Thane Vakarian]

also, i keep seeing the same quotes popping up over and over again.... or, i get that impression, anyways. surely there must be more to go on by now

[Talya]

Shad, who are your WTL and top towns?

 

Dice ISO (I like doing dice ISOs because they are easier :p)

 

Fluff, fluff and fluff.

 

discussion over 'Reads' with Kivam.

Discusses Soul reads

 

Mentions Tina and Thane not reading him when they are wolf

 

Not on at DL due to time zones

 

His reads

 

Town: Seph, Laine and BFG (has this changed dice?)

Wary of Leelou

Sooh, light hearted at start

Hally - doesn't know hard to read

Shad - mafia, but his head saying that not his gut.

 

so far not seeing a town dice, but not a wolf one either. Want to see more before I decide here.

 

Point on time zones. I don't like they are used as an excuse for not voting. I know people can't be on all the time, if you know it is at an awkward time, you vote before you leave.

 

Dice, what are you reads now, have they change if so why?