[Pick Your Poison] Pulp Fiction Mafia - Game Over

[Thane Vakarian]

ok, i see quite some interest in Tina for  the moment... hmm.. I've been reading up untill now and i'd have to say that i'm not totally convinced she'd be a wolf here (but it's D1 and admitted, i suck D1. I tend to start tying things together after N1 usually.)

 

That being said, i think N1 will be interesting. It should solve some slots for us.    

 

i'm here atm:

 

townies:

 

Thane Vakarian

Seph

BFG
Shad

Talya
Sooh
Leelou

 

need inverstigating

 

 Hallia
 Darthe
 AlannaLynn
 Kivam
 Dicetosser1
 TinaHel
 

this is mainly based on how i feel about people. i kinda forgot that DL is so close, my apologies for that.
 

[BFG]

 

Shad :) glad you're here...

 

What's your take on Darthe at the moment?

 

They haven't changed.  Darthe is Darthe.  He plays games with people and I take almost nothing he says at face value.  He brought up my Seph vote in a way that was accurate without being opportunistic, and I like that.  Scum!Darthe is totally capable of it, but relatively low involvement while still paying attention looks good I think.  I want to think he'd find a way to be more active as scum, but again, he is Darthe.  I will accept him until I have reasons not to and never let good feelings about his slot carry for too long.  I have no reasons not to accept him so far.

 

Ok, what was presumptive about your post? He doesn't seem to draw or guess your alignment from it?

[BFG]

 

 

 

You misunderstood me. The soul read was of the scum team kiv.

If you notice, the town reads I gave you, are the ones I posted about itt.

There have actually been 0 flip flops, what do I look like LeBron james??

 

Wait. What?

 

 

Why is the fact that it was of the mafia team concern you? Would it have been better if it had been of 3 random town who hadn't posted?

 

Just because I'm scum 9 times out of 10 does not mean that my soul is scummy. Especially this game. This is MY town game.

 

<3

 

 

 

You misunderstood me. The soul read was of the scum team kiv.

If you notice, the town reads I gave you, are the ones I posted about itt.

There have actually been 0 flip flops, what do I look like LeBron james??

 

Mwah?  The post you opened with "yay, I got three townies" was a list of potential scum (including one non-poster)?  Yeah, definitely didn't read that post that way

 

 

Actually, if you go back and check, none of us had posted by that point.

 

 

Again if he'd said 3 town hadn't posted would it have been better?

 

 

No, because then you get into the realm of TMI.

 

Great :)

[BFG]

ok, i see quite some interest in Tina for  the moment... hmm.. I've been reading up untill now and i'd have to say that i'm not totally convinced she'd be a wolf here (but it's D1 and admitted, i suck D1. I tend to start tying things together after N1 usually.)

 

That being said, i think N1 will be interesting. It should solve some slots for us.    

 

i'm here atm:

 

townies:

 

Thane Vakarian

Seph

BFG

Shad

Talya

Sooh

Leelou

 

need inverstigating

 

 Hallia

 Darthe

 AlannaLynn

 Kivam

 Dicetosser1

 TinaHel

 

this is mainly based on how i feel about people. i kinda forgot that DL is so close, my apologies for that.

Is this ordered? Why is Tina at the bottom if you're not sure?

[Thane Vakarian]

@BFG: this is not ordered, no. Sorry for not clarifying

[Thane Vakarian]

i copy pasted from the player roster

[BFG]

 

I will state this for you all.

I voted darthe because I think k tayla, and leelou could be town.

I didn't want my soulread to be 0%

 

It was not a serious vote. Shad, why did you think it was serious?

He had two posts in the game, I would have the same %chance to vote anyone else in the game.

There's a difference between theory and practice. In theory what you're saying makes sense. In practice it's prob gonna get you killed this game. like, already the damage is done.

 

 

Again this post bothers me and I don't know why :/

 

I think the issue I have with Darthe is that throughout this he's calling Sept wolfy, but not doing anything to understand or push Seph as a real suspect.

 

Post above the language is completely neutral, but he calls Sept wolfy in the next post along.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Leelou, I was voting darthe to get a reaction out of him, plain and simple.

 

0% the soul read was simply for fun, ad i figured by placing a vote, referencing it people wouod realize it as a joke. Which most did mind you.

It's page 7...point me to somone who is actively scum hunting with only half the game checked in leelou.

The reactions I got towards the post however, will help towards hunting.

Red is reasonable. Green really isn't when you are someone who I know makes serious votes early in a game without much to back them. If you're town, try to keep in mind that it's ok to look derpy sometimes even if you really aren't. This reads to me like you're digging for an out rather than explaining your thought process.

 

I'm gonna try to not reinvent the wheel here or give seph an out. His actions were simply wolfy. the only reason to not vote there yet is that that read isn't locked.

 

 

Again, the logic is poor in Sephs actions and explanations at this point, but I don't get where it's wolfy?  

 

 

Getting the game going, and getting reactions is scummy?

Maybe you need to post a play by play again, on how I should play the game.

 

Shad, why are you giving me a pass here?

Darthe you vote to get a reaction I believe. And did you just call me scummy, but not scummy?? Why are you not voting me?

 

You think this is going to get me killed?? Trust me I'm not letting anyone mislynch me this game, unless I take down. Wolf or two in the process.

To you I say, glgl.

 

Keeping my vote on darthe for fence sitting.

 

About half of the posts I've made in this game so far have been directed at you.  How does this question make any sense whatsoever?

 

 

 

I'm guessing you don't like that I didn't vote you yet.  I suspect that, had I voted you, you wouldn't like that either.  Stupid games like this get what they ask for.  [v]Seph[/v]

I don't understand this vote, you don't seem to be voting Seph because you think he's scummy, bit because of the 'game'?

 

 

 

 

 

Leelou, I was voting darthe to get a reaction out of him, plain and simple.

0% the soul read was simply for fun, ad i figured by placing a vote, referencing it people wouod realize it as a joke. Which most did mind you.

It's page 7...point me to somone who is actively scum hunting with only half the game checked in leelou.

The reactions I got towards the post however, will help towards hunting.

 

Red is reasonable.  Green really isn't when you are someone who I know makes serious votes early in a game without much to back them.  If you're town, try to keep in mind that it's ok to look derpy sometimes even if you really aren't.  This reads to me like you're digging for an out rather than explaining your thought process.

 

Because here it looks like you were giving me a pass. Every other game I have been in with you, when you find something suspicious, you usually lay down a vote. I found d it odd is all

 

 

 

 

I'm guessing you don't like that I didn't vote you yet. I suspect that, had I voted you, you wouldn't like that either. Stupid games like this get what they ask for. [v]Seph[/v]

For you this is a very assumptive post

 

 

[BFG]

@BFG: this is not ordered, no. Sorry for not clarifying

Ok, ignoring the fact it's hammer for the moment, who do you want to vote?

[BFG]

Leelou who do you want to vote?

[Thane Vakarian]

gut call, i wouldn't object to a Darthe or dice vote.

[BFG]

I'm going to [v]unvote[/v].  Seph's reaction to pressure seemed believable to me.  I'm still concerned by the potential TMI slip more than anything, so I'm not exactly tossing Seph into the townpile, but it's not enough to justify a bandwagon this early.

 

That said, I'm pretty annoyed by the pressure Shad is getting for his vote ... was hoping to see another few people hop onto the Seph lynch when it seemed like low hanging fruit before unvoting.  That won't be happening now.

This is better than I remembered as well. Kivam's annoyed that 'pressure' is being applied to Shad, NOT that pressure is being removed from Seph.

[BFG]

gut call, i wouldn't object to a Darthe or dice vote.

Dice is troubling me. I don't like that his posts since I said I 'wanted to call him town' are on the validity of tone reading as a method as opposed to reading the players. But his banter felt better at the beginning of the game and he had a couple of early soft reads I liked. Not sure I'm ready to vote here yet, could be a Day 2 read for me

 

Why Darthe? Can you explain any more on Dice?

[BFG]

Shad somewhat pings me to start off with here. His responses are far more guarded and cautious than I'm used to from him. This isn't just based on the Seph vote, but his reactions to Kivam too in the discussion they have from #98 and onwards. 

 

I would peg #106 from Seph more a snipe at Darthe than anything to really take too seriously, but #107 from Kivam seems to be taking this extremely seriously. I know Kivam has discussed semantics with several players, so for now I'm just going to assume he's doing it to get reactions, and not that it's scum trying to jump on every little thing they see that could throw suspicion on someone else. I could read it both ways. Going to give him the benefit of the doubt for today, especially since he's not here to defend himself at EOD. I most definitely would like to look into him for tomorrow though. Too many things just look like scum trying to misrep to get an easy lynch. Hopefully I'll be able to find one more suspect before EOD so I don't have to place my vote here. (yes, I know. It's contradictory.)

 

People also spend a whole lot of time discussing Seph's joke/reaction vote on Darthe. To me the two aren't mutually exclusive. It can be a joke vote on a person, but you may also hope that that person will react to you in a certain way and help that to inform your read. I guess I just don't see Seph as scummy in this case. 

 

Read and commented up to page 10. I'm going to the store to buy junkfood and then I'll be back to tackle the rest of the thread.

I think I agree with you on Seph after all. Biggest thing for me is his (relatively speaking) disappearing act after the votes came off him. Kivam and Shad are both making me uneasy, but I can't say why which is frustrating as anything. Darthe is as well.

[BFG]

I don't mind monologuing, but it will probably be more fun to read after if I'm not

[Thane Vakarian]

i'm surprised you're not talking to Laine here, BFG. I usually see her doing what you are doing right now, 'leading town' as it were. I do hope Laine will get more active (i haven't gotten to the point yet were i just want her to stop posting, lol)

 

As for Dice... i don't know really. I miss his town presence in the game. Early D1, i thought he'd be in the town pile easily. But, more time passed, and i just can't put him there anymore. When i doubt dice, it's usually not a good sign.

 

As for Darthe, i miss him. Really, i do. I'dlike to team up with him and the other townies and just roll over those wolves like a steamroller. But, i'm not entirely convinced he's town here, i need more from him to be able to read him better.  

[Thane Vakarian]

i had a busy day today, only able to get on now actually. Repaired stuff in the bathroom (contractor screwed up) and transformed the upper floor so it's nicer for the kids (they have their own tv corner now, with a dvd-player).

[Leelou]

Leelou who do you want to vote?

 

Probably Dice or Shad. 

 

I have to leave in a few minutes to go save the unicorns. No, I'm not explaining further right now. I can later! <3

[Hallia]

Tina's posts this game.

 

 

 

 

 

*snip*

 

 

 

Darthe... I usually like your early reads, but going 0-2 on page 5 is not a good look, I think that job is affecting your brain!

 

Why are you so sure he went 0-2? And even if you are a townie who is that sure of your 5-page read of Thane, why are you defaulting to "Darthe is a townie making bad reads" instead of "Darthe may be scum setting up a false choice"?

 

 

Good thing to point out. I know that a lot of other stuff has been cleared out after this but it´s still possible that this is a TMI post. 

 

Fluff until the bottom, and then comments on something, while acknowledging that most of it had already been resolved.

 

[v] Seph [/v]

 

 

And hi Shad! I don´t think I have played with you before. I fear I will mix you and Seph in my head. 

Random vote with no reasoning.

 

Tone reading? Sould reading? Does it actually work for anyone?

I find that it does, and several others do as well; here I snip out two Non-game related posts to get under the quote limit.

 

Ha, ha. I expect nothing else, Sooh. 

 

I did notice that Shad didn´t vote Seph until there were already two votes (and basically being told so by Seph). 

I don't understand what you were trying to say with this

 

*snip*

Hallia or Tina, for the same reason they're almost always my choice on D1 ... because they slide under the radar without contributing much, and if I don't have a better D1 scumread, my default is to take out the players who aren't contributing in hopes of nailing lurking scum - or at least avoiding an enigma that needs to be dealt with later in the game.

 

In fact ... [v]Tina[/v]

 

I'll leave my vote there until she provides some content to the game

 

 

I think I agree with Sooh - it seems like you are poking everywhere right now. Not sure if it´s townie or not. 

 

1. You will never see me posting a lot. 

2. I´m one of the few that have voted this game, I think that is contributing.

3. I´m almost always your choice on D1? I don´t know how many games we have played together. I´m sure there are some but the only one I can remember right now is the Care Bears Mafia. 

 

As Kiv responded, your vote was done without any reasoning behind it.  And point 1 is meta defense, isn't it?

I like BFG´s posts so far. She asks a lot of questions. I would like some more comments on people´s answers though.

 

I´m soon going to work. It´s my first day back in 7 weeks. :(

It would be nice to see reads on someone other than a person generally town read this game.

I just want to understand what Kivam is talking about when saying I (and Sooh? Don´t remember who it was.) was stopping a potential Seph wagon. Did you want it to be a Seph wagon? You unvoted Seph after that, which I take that you don´t think he is mafia. So you wanted a wagon to see who would vote him to catch mafia? Would people voting him be more likely mafia? I didn´t see many people wanting to vote Seph before that either. Actually, there were a lot of people defending him. 

I don't see anything wrong with this post.

 

 

*snip*

I think I agree with Sooh - it seems like you are poking everywhere right now. Not sure if it´s townie or not. 
 
1. You will never see me posting a lot. 
2. I´m one of the few that have voted this game, I think that is contributing.
3. I´m almost always your choice on D1? I don´t know how many games we have played together. I´m sure there are some but the only one I can remember right now is the Care Bears Mafia.

 

 
1 - yes.  I know.  I'm not concerned with quantity as much as quality, and until you just engaged, there wasn't much in the way of quality.
 
2 - Here was your vote:
 

[v] Seph [/v]


And hi Shad! I don´t think I have played with you before. I fear I will mix you and Seph in my head.

 

No, a vote with no explanation and a hello to another player is not "contributing"; it doesn't do anything to help solve the game and doesn't do anything to help clarify your own alignment.  Content. Reads lists. Thoughts on other players and not just the one voting you.  You don't have to post often - but if you're going to post rarely, make the ones you do actually post count for something.

 

3. Yeah, I vaguely remember that game, and I'm pretty sure I voted you D1 to prod you into participating, too.  (Of course, I also don't remember whether I was scum or town in that game, so ...).  I think I may have done it one other time as well. 

 

Look, this is a philosophy thing for me.  Inactive players annoy me - especially when I am modding.  So part of my goal for D1 is to rattle as many cages as possible, generate as many reactions as possible, and especially from players who would otherwise stay silent.

 

So yeah, I will always be looking to send pressure your way (or Hallia's or other players known to be low-volume) on D1 in any game we play together, because that tends to bring you out with more content, which makes it easier to read your alignment later in the game.

 

 

I had not posted much game stuff when you wrote this but if you look at my post right before the vote you will see that I had a reason - I voted him because of possible TMI. I think I even quoted your post and said that I agreed with it. 

 

I understand if you don´t like people that doesn´t post a lot. There are not as much to base your oppionions on. But I´m not a spammy person and I usually post things that has to do with the game. It doesn´t matter how much you poke me though, I won´t post more because I can´t post more. It´s not that I don´t want to be more active, I´m just not able to. And what you are getting with this is a post like this where I have to explain this yet again. 

 

And no - in the Care Bears game I don´t think you did because I remember that I jumped into the game after 30 pages to read. You were mafia then. Not that that has anything to do with this game, since it was years ago. Your post makes it looks like you always poke me in every game we play but I can´t even remember playing in many games with you and when I played years ago I was more active than I can be now. 

 

 

I just want to understand what Kivam is talking about when saying I (and Sooh? Don´t remember who it was.) was stopping a potential Seph wagon. Did you want it to be a Seph wagon? You unvoted Seph after that, which I take that you don´t think he is mafia. So you wanted a wagon to see who would vote him to catch mafia? Would people voting him be more likely mafia? I didn´t see many people wanting to vote Seph before that either. Actually, there were a lot of people defending him. 

 

Yes, I wanted a Seph wagon, both before and after I thought he was scummy.  The vote on him was real, based on inconsistencies in his posts ... at least, given how I and others were reading them.  But his explanation for the discrepancies was a good one, and I believed it - at least enough to make me unvote.  But precisely because I thought his explanations were good, I waited to actually unvote to see whether any other players would pile onto him despite his answers - since that, to me, would be a sign of potential scum.  That's why I'd say people voting him once he had some momentum would have been more likely to be mafia; he already had a 3 vote train that had built before his explanations, so adding fuel to the fire would have been an easy scum play (and less easily understood as town play given his explanation).

 

Could you link me to the "a lot of people defending him"?

 

 

I don´t get the first sentence. You wanted a Seph wagon before you thought he was scummy? Did you mean town? Because you think he is town now, right? 

 

I will have to go back and see who defended him. I know there were people saying that this is normal Seph play etc. 

 

 

 

 

 

ehh, I think you spilling the beans, had the dissuade factor. not sooh, nudging shad.

 

All due respect, Seph, this is silly.  Once Player A (Shad) has gotten pressure for voting Player X (You), Player X is no longer low hanging fruit and a cautious mafioso isn't going to come piling on to a bandwagon.

 

 

 

@BFG, because the "0-2" implies an assumption that they were actually attempted reads - i.e that darthe is town Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk

I really dislike this post by kiv.
darthe posted them, so they are reads. apparently something you forgot while interpreting my post for me is MAFIA have to make reads as well!
I never once have called darthe town, and no it does NOT imply that.
[unvote]
[v] kiv[/v]

 

And this is also silly.  (Not the vote, but the thought process).  Mafia members don't make or post "reads".  Mafia members actually know the alignment of every player in the game, so anything couched as a read is nothing of the sort; it's a fake read (whether calling someone townie or scum).  But I'm getting the sense that you either haven't thought through the semantics of it or wouldn't care enough to make sure your post was clear, which would make that a null tell rather than potential TMI

 

TO the first part, the reason he was getting pressure, wasn't because he voted me. its because he didn't vote me until I asked him why he did not.


2nd part. your right they do know alignments, but I do not. I have no way of currently knowing if darthe is mafia or town.
So to me they are reads, and I will agree, or disagree if I want to. ITS NOT SILLY, it is me playing the game. I have no way of knowing if they are fake until a flip, or end game. 

I really disagree with about everything you are saying lately. 

 

 

I like this post. It´s correct that Shad was getting preassure because he didn´t vote you until after my vote, and after you asked him why he hadn´t voted.

 

The rest seems... sincere. 

 

 

[unvote]

 

I didn't see you go back and find out who was defending him.

 

 

[v] TinaHel [/v] my reason is an if then statement that I'm betting on floating a certain way

 

I don´t understand this. 

 

Me either. XD

I iso´d everyone and wrote a list but most of it was really fence sitting. 

 

 

Would not vote right now: BFG, Thane, Seph, Leelou.

 

Just quickly;

@Kivam - I read Tommy's basic game (I am well aware how long ago it was ) during it you spent a lot of your non-recap posts debating game mechanics in as much as good and bad ways to play. Basically you were interacting but not doing anything, if that makes sense? You were pushing an INFO lynch over a low poster lynch. This game you're accepting of different play styles and seemingly working with/round them. Against that (for example) that post of Sephs where you isolate a word from the phrase or where you quote Tina's vote bit ignore her post beforehand that 'explains' it.

Essentially your play 'style' seems more townie, but I'm wary because I'm not sure if you're genuinely interpreting the posts the way you say, or if you're trying to twist the way you present the information.

 

This is what I´m wondering about too. 

Why wouldn't you vote those people?

Answers to Shad:

 

1. I definitely thought it was worth pointing out that you choose to vote Seph first when he had already two votes (although you went after him a lot before) and was asked to do so by Seph. Me pointing this out means that it´s worth pointing out and even though you think I didn´t give my own comments on it, it was something negative that you did. I think you understand that without me saying it´s bad. Why would I point it out otherwise? 

 

2. The preassure on you was definitely because you waited with your vote until you saw someone else had voted before (my reason) + someone else posted that it was strange of you to vote after Seph told you to. That is kind of a meta reason and I don´t know your meta.

 

3. I have a really bad memory so if I say that there is something that I didn´t remember, it´s true.

 

4. Why was I not allowed to question Kivam about what he meant? I didn´t understand it, so I wanted to know. 

 

I hope this is not an omgus vote from me but:

 

[v] Shad [/v]

 

 

As said before, I didn´t like your vote of Seph. Your list was kind of good but I don´t like your "case" on me. 

 

About Laine:

 

I like that you are questioning Kivam but the rest of the catch up posts are not what I´m used to from you. A lot of it feels like filler. 

I disagree with the bolded, I thought her catch up wasn't bad.

I'm here for now but unless someone makes a good case on someone I will keep my vote on Shad.

I'd like to see some good reasoning on why you want to have him lynched

Well, of course I don't like being voted. I don't like any of those votes. I don't even know Darte's reason.

Seph sounded sincere and reminded me of someone in my last game (maybe Eldrik), who was town. I can't explain that very well.

I would put a read list out, because at the moment it looks like you're the lynch, and if you are town, we could use it.  

Short post since my daughter is waiting for me.

I'm fencesitting on most players but I'm most interested in the three voting me. I doubt they are all mafia though.

And here, rather than post a read list, you just say that you're fence sitting.

 

 

[Darthe]

Short post since my daughter is waiting for me.

 

I'm fencesitting on most players but I'm most interested in the three voting me. I doubt they are all mafia though.

post is almost worthy of harbinger

 

 

Shad :) glad you're here...

 

What's your take on Darthe at the moment?

 

They haven't changed.  Darthe is Darthe.  He plays games with people and I take almost nothing he says at face value.  He brought up my Seph vote in a way that was accurate without being opportunistic, and I like that.  Scum!Darthe is totally capable of it, but relatively low involvement while still paying attention looks good I think.  I want to think he'd find a way to be more active as scum, but again, he is Darthe.  I will accept him until I have reasons not to and never let good feelings about his slot carry for too long.  I have no reasons not to accept him so far.

 

Sexy 

 

 

Catching up, I liked Laine's catch up posts and thoughts.  Aside from a couple of her nulls, and Dice being town, it's pretty in line with mine.

 

 

I'm going to Vote: Tina

Why?

 

double sexy

 

gut call, i wouldn't object to a Darthe or dice vote.

c-c-c-combo breaker, also a bit conflicted about the names drawn here.  Dice in particular hasn't done anything so I'd like to know more.

 

i'm surprised you're not talking to Laine here, BFG. I usually see her doing what you are doing right now, 'leading town' as it were. I do hope Laine will get more active (i haven't gotten to the point yet were i just want her to stop posting, lol)

 

As for Dice... i don't know really. I miss his town presence in the game. Early D1, i thought he'd be in the town pile easily. But, more time passed, and i just can't put him there anymore. When i doubt dice, it's usually not a good sign.

 

As for Darthe, i miss him. Really, i do. I'dlike to team up with him and the other townies and just roll over those wolves like a steamroller. But, i'm not entirely convinced he's town here, i need more from him to be able to read him better.  

and here it is.  leads into both with wishy-washy language (wolves do that to mimic confusion) and then the reasons are both low effort, summarily Thane you seem to want to opt out of having a hand in the matters of the day here.  

 

All in all I'd rank this as wolf/10.

 

So after you guys follow me on Tina today we'll lynch Thane tomorrow.

[Thane Vakarian]

we'll see what happens when D2 starts, Darthe. I can promise you i'm no wolf. Your reaction here seems like i just put you at L-1, ... well, the tone i got off of it. Worried?

[BFG]

 

 

I wont be voting seph today and im actually pretty close to leaning town on him. Based off what i learnt about him when mentoring. He was town then and i am seeing a lot of the same town and puppylike overeagerness that gets him hit with signs.

 

 

Am looking at Shad   was concerned he was fencesitting on seph but then he dropped the vote. reevaluating.

 

This is the post of Dice's I liked, early reads given without pressure, but there hasn't been any follow up :( and it was ~2 days ago

 

 

Bleh, I don't like that Thane is basing town reads off of spammy chatter at the beginning of game, it's free passes that are not warranted.

 

Thane already answwered this but i was gonna say it was tone based

 

Tone reading? Sould reading? Does it actually work for anyone?

 

yes it does. Tone at least. Ive caught AJ off one word, Laine off one response to me all based on tone.  Its not fool proof but it DOES work. Some people are good at it some arnt. I think the gut instinctual players are better at it then the critical thinkers ones

 

 

I don't disagree with the argument, but all(?) his posts after are on the same subject. It's something he can sound confident in without adding anything to the thread and it bothers me a lot

 

 

Yeah, I think Seph blundered this, dont particularly like it, but the way he has been posting makes me feel town blunder rather than wolf. He is very careful and more articulate when wolf. This is all over the place.

 

@Darthe - what does the 401k mean...is that your salary :/ sounds like a great job, hope you settle in ok.

 

 

 

 

 

I'm guessing you don't like that I didn't vote you yet.  I suspect that, had I voted you, you wouldn't like that either.  Stupid games like this get what they ask for.  [v]Seph[/v]

Why are you voting Seph after he mentions it, if you thought him wolf why didn't you do it before.

 

 

Blue - What's a good example of a game where Seph was wolf?

 

Red - I saw no profit before.  Now I have more good Sooh vibes and a decent post by Darthe to work with.  Kiv's reaction concerns me a little because I get the eerie feeling that he knows I'm town.

 

As for Seph, I don't know what to make of him.  I expect him to do goofy things that look bad but his reactions to me are different from our last game together.  I'll keep my vote where it's at for now and see how things progress.

 

 

What does the red answer have to do with the red, meh you talk about Shad after it just reads oddly.

 

 

 

Kivam quote

I'm going to [v]unvote[/v]. Seph's reaction to pressure seemed believable to me. I'm still concerned by the potential TMI slip more than anything, so I'm not exactly tossing Seph into the townpile, but it's not enough to justify a bandwagon this early. That said, I'm pretty annoyed by the pressure Shad is getting for his vote ... was hoping to see another few people hop onto the Seph lynch when it seemed like low hanging fruit before unvoting. That won't be happening now.

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By proxy do you think pressure on shad was generally something townies would do?

 

I honestly can't say. Could be townies picking up on concerns with shad's vote, could be scum distancing, or it could be scum pouncing on an opportunity. Until i have more information, I don't know. For now, it's a null tell, on both their alignment and shad's, since there's ample motive no matter how the alignments shake out (town/town, town/scum, scum/scum or scum/town) Similarly, if you're asking if i think the pressure was designed to scuttle bandwagon votes on Seph, i don't know. That wasn't my initial sense, mainly because after all the back and forth i have a mild town lean on Seph, but it's definitely something to keep in mind if Seph flips scum. Tl;dr: ask me again after a few game days Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk

 

 

Assumption here is mildly concerning 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh I have a big boy job now, I'm a financial advisor, so daytime you prob won't see me like you used to.

Congrats Darthe, hope it goes well. Does this mean you won't go post mad....please?

 

 

should Darthe wield the axe... would be good, he'd be town then

Thane and seph have a wolf between them I think

 

Darthe... I usually like your early reads, but going 0-2 on page 5 is not a good look, I think that job is affecting your brain!

 

at the moment, i highly doubt that Darthe. Seph seems quite town, unless he's pulling somehting off from start D1 (which i doubt) and i have an awesome anti-wolf power up my sleave. So, if you're town as well, i'd like to throw you on the townpile and keep looking elsewhere

I'll town read Seph when I manage to piss him off and harvest massive emo town tell again.

 

Lol, well shad if you want to thunderdome on page 6, bring it :) it would be a much easier game, if I can get a town read on you. I have never seen you as scum before, and it worries me with how well you have been playing.

I feel like Shad's method for town reading me, is actually my method for town reading Dice lol.

 

Town list of awesomeness

Dice

Sooh

Thane

 

I suck at reading leelou, but her posts are fine. If she Is mafia, and darthe is town, I will the the cfd to him :)

Tayla I want to believe you are town! But if that is the case I think I need to give it another 15 games before I soulread again...

[v]Darthe[/v] the soulread couldn't have been all wrong :(

 

You have explained Thane, why Dice and Sooh as town? There are other posts which explains your soul read thing. In which you say you were probably wrong, but you vote Darthe, what is your reasoning behind Darthe.

 

 

You misunderstood me. The soul read was of the scum team kiv.

If you notice, the town reads I gave you, are the ones I posted about itt.

There have actually been 0 flip flops, what do I look like LeBron james??

Wait. What?

 

Yuo

Yup, apparently I need to be more clear, because I see how it was read the other way. I thought soulread were always of the scum team??

Leelou don't be too upset, it's only page 6, and I doubt I was even close.

I was hoping to get a reaction out of darthe with all this, but kiv is just as good :)

 

So you are saying that you did it to get a reaction.

 

I'm getting a slight town read on Seph, he usually has me as town and says nice things to me when he is wolf, lol. Seems more relaxed in this game so far. So I agree just trying to get the game started

 

 

 

Better example of how to provide substance to the posts you make. But this one is off too. Critical of seph then just accept whatever he is doing as town because he is rand to be town? I don't follow.

 

How are you getting that Talya said that Seph was town because he was rand to be town?

 

I'd rather not go through this until I get an answer.

 

Talia did answer, but I'm still waiting for a response from you on this.

 

 

 

[Darthe]

Decided to highlight points where Thane has faked or forced tone here to cast himself in a (townlike) light.  Color matching, yo.  

i'm surprised you're not talking to Laine here, BFG. I usually see her doing what you are doing right now, 'leading town' as it were. I do hope Laine will get more active (i haven't gotten to the point yet were i just want her to stop posting, lol)

 

As for Dice... i don't know really. I miss his town presence in the game. Early D1, i thought he'd be in the town pile easily. But, more time passed, and i just can't put him there anymore. When i doubt dice, it's usually not a good sign.

 

As for Darthe, i miss him. Really, i do. I'dlike to team up with him and the other townies and just roll over those wolves like a steamroller. But, i'm not entirely convinced he's town here, i need more from him to be able to read him better.

[Darthe]

we'll see what happens when D2 starts, Darthe. I can promise you i'm no wolf. Your reaction here seems like i just put you at L-1, ... well, the tone i got off of it. Worried?

Bold is odd as well, baiting and very self conscious

[Shad_]

 

 

Shad :) glad you're here...

 

What's your take on Darthe at the moment?

 

They haven't changed.  Darthe is Darthe.  He plays games with people and I take almost nothing he says at face value.  He brought up my Seph vote in a way that was accurate without being opportunistic, and I like that.  Scum!Darthe is totally capable of it, but relatively low involvement while still paying attention looks good I think.  I want to think he'd find a way to be more active as scum, but again, he is Darthe.  I will accept him until I have reasons not to and never let good feelings about his slot carry for too long.  I have no reasons not to accept him so far.

 

Ok, what was presumptive about your post? He doesn't seem to draw or guess your alignment from it?

 

I'm torn between prodding your slot and answering this question.

 

I initially asked Seph how he could say I'm "giving him a pass" when I'd been questioning him pretty heavily. Instead of giving him a chance to answer, I decided to come back with:

 

I'm guessing you don't like that I didn't vote you yet. I suspect that, had I voted you, you wouldn't like that either. Stupid games like this get what they ask for. [v]Seph[/v]

I'm putting lots of words in Seph's mouth here. Maybe he didn't like my "if you are town" comment. He never asked me why I hadn't voted; he asked Darthe that. And I'm assuming in this post that I know how he would have reacted to me voting him.  Maybe if I was thoroughly convinced he was scum I thought I did, but even then is it normal for me to make these kinds of assumptions?

 

I had expectations for how certain people would honestly interpret this post.  It was mainly meant for Seph, but I'll catch what I can in passing.

 

So, what do you make of my vote and the reactions to it?  You didn't bring it up until recently.

[Thane Vakarian]

never thought i'd see Darthe hunting ghosts instead of wolves, heh.

 

btw: i'm totally not worried here. i type what i think seems right. I find this highly amusing actually. I had a busy day, DL is soon upon us, i doubt we'll reach majority on anybody, night will come and go, and then we'll see what has happened. That's what i think will happen.