[Pick Your Poison] Pulp Fiction Mafia - Game Over

[alannalynn]

I'm close to posting. Hi BFG, Andrej, Shad? Haven't read Shad's posts yet, didn't want them to skew any thoughts in my read

[BFG]

Good evening :)

Get with the times bro, evening is so yesterday

[BFG]

Laine!

 

Lol, I need to reread

 

@Shad how much do I need to be worrying right now?

 

If you are scum, fear is advisable.

 

 

I wouldn't say I'm known for in depth reads especially Day 1. But ymmv

 

 

 

I'm close to posting. Hi BFG, Andrej, Shad? Haven't read Shad's posts yet, didn't want them to skew any thoughts in my read

Hi :)

[alannalynn]

Okay, so I just posted my thoughts as I read the thread and pulled up quotes I wanted to respond to. This is in two parts so that your eyes don't bleed, also because apparently I way overshot my quote limit. Reads list will be at end to show where I'm at and I would love discussion because I <3 you guys

 

PART 1

 

 

 

Imma get medieval itt

Who's Imma?  Didn't see them on the roster and don't know your fancy nicknames for peop ...
 
Oh, you were just saying "I'm going to" in a grammatically incorrect fashion.  Kids these days.  Carry on.

 

 A+ post. Kiv confirmed old ITT. Although, strangely there is a point to be made that there are a LOT more abbreviations and acronyms in the game than there was a few years ago when I played
 

 

lol
 
Cute baby Kiv!
Also Dice, I don't even have a response to that because it's so silly.
BFG -  Big Friendly Giant?

 
ont be hesitant. You should ALWAYS want to improve and becoming like me is a HUGE step in the right direction!

 I disagree. Don't be like Dice. Do your own thing. Be YOU.
 

I already got 3 townies, and it feels good!
Going to try this soulread thing I have seen, to see how mine has been developing.

Tayla, leelou, darthe

Trying to figure out if this is a joke or not?

Just be town thane, and bring the booze, and the rest will fall in place.
If we get everyone drunk, the mafia will be inclined to tell us if they are the bad guys.
That's what boost does right, makes people more truthful?

 Too much town coming from Seph, not sure if town-telling really hard or trying to appear town.
 

Yep I am.
 
Band FTW  
 
so we just start voting non banders [edit for wording]

 Does it count that I used to be in the Band? :P

 

Hearing about Kivam's kids is too cute for words Post #72
 

 

 

 

should Darthe wield the axe... would be good, he'd be town then

Thane and seph have a wolf between them I think

Darthe... I usually like your early reads, but going 0-2 on page 5 is not a good look, I think that job is affecting your brain!

Why are you so sure he went 0-2? And even if you are a townie who is that sure of your 5-page read of Thane, why are you defaulting to "Darthe is a townie making bad reads" instead of "Darthe may be scum setting up a false choice"?

I don't see where he's assuming that Darthe is town here? He said "it's not a good look" not "Darthe is making bad reads as town". Edit: can you explain where this is TMI? Because I'm not getting that at all, and seeing that Tina agrees (post 157) is throwing me [i think this question is resolved, but still iffy about this situation]

 

@Seph where the hell did your Darthe vote come from?
 

No, my vote is based entirely off my soul read, I was trying to make that obvious :)
I can't be wrong on all three, right?

Actually you could be. I could pull any three names out of a had and they could all be town or all be mafia. To me, it feels like you're setting up this notion that at least one of three MUST be mafia: does this mean that if, for example Darthe flips town, that you're going to set up another series of potential mislynches just for funsies?
 

Just because I'm scum 9 times out of 10 does not mean that my soul is scummy. Especially this game. This is MY town game.

 <3
 

I kinda like that Seph is trying to kickstart things. I think that's very positive for his alignment.

 I like the kickstarting but I think it was flubbed. This is also adding much of nothing to what's going on, so the post is pinging a bit
 

Seph, here's the thing.  You open up by taking a totally random pre-post guess at who the scum team is.  Goofy, but whatever.  Then later you use your opening "read" to justify voting Darthe.  Do you see the issue here?
 
Voting on page 6 doesn't exactly give us much time to forget what your "reads" were based on though, so I don't know if it's scummy or just bizarre.

Like this post Shad

 

[alannalynn]

PART 2

 

 

I will state this for you all.
I voted darthe because I think k tayla, and leelou could be town. 
I didn't want my soulread to be 0% 

It was not a serious vote. Shad, why did you think it was serious?
He had two posts in the game, I would have the same %chance to vote anyone else in the game.

I feel like this is a backtracking post.
 

Leelou, I was voting darthe to get a reaction out of him, plain and simple.

0% the soul read was simply for fun, ad i figured by placing a vote, referencing it people wouod realize it as a joke. Which most did mind you.
It's page 7...point me to somone who is actively scum hunting with only half the game checked in leelou.
The reactions I got towards the post however, will help towards hunting.

 I didn't get a joke feel from your original post, so I'm a little lost there. Also, if was for reactions and not lulz, why call it a joke?
 
Quoted part of the post here:

suck at reading leelou, but her posts are fine. If she Is mafia, and darthe is town, I will the the cfd to him :)
Tayla I want to believe you are town! But if that is the case I think I need to give it another 15 games before I soulread again...
Vote: darthe the soulread couldn't have been all wrong :(

You're pretty much doing nothing to show town leans on Leelou or Talya, but it feels like you're serious with your reads. Then you vote Darthe basically from POE of your original three. It's the juxtaposition of you more seriously saying that the former two are coming off more town, but then you claim Darthe's portion is "not serious". You're kinda contradicting yourself here
 

 

Leelou, I was voting darthe to get a reaction out of him, plain and simple.

0% the soul read was simply for fun, ad i figured by placing a vote, referencing it people wouod realize it as a joke. Which most did mind you.
It's page 7...point me to somone who is actively scum hunting with only half the game checked in leelou.
The reactions I got towards the post however, will help towards hunting.

Red is reasonable. Green really isn't when you are someone who I know makes serious votes early in a game without much to back them. If you're town, try to keep in mind that it's ok to look derpy sometimes even if you really aren't. This reads to me like you're digging for an out rather than explaining your thought process.

 

I'm trying to get a feel for Shad here, it almost feels like he knows Seph's alignment with this post and that bothers me.
 

Getting the game going, and getting reactions is scummy?
Maybe you need to post a play by play again, on how I should play the game.

Shad, why are you giving me a pass here?
Darthe you vote to get a reaction I believe. And did you just call me scummy, but not scummy?? Why are you not voting me?

You think this is going to get me killed?? Trust me I'm not letting anyone mislynch me this game, unless I take down. Wolf or two in the process.
To you I say, glgl.

Keeping my vote on darthe for fence sitting.

Scummy post. Way too reactive, imo
 

I'm guessing you don't like that I didn't vote you yet. I suspect that, had I voted you, you wouldn't like that either. Stupid games like this get what they ask for. [v]Seph[/v]

This is not the Shad I'm looking for.
 

I'm going to [v]unvote[/v]. Seph's reaction to pressure seemed believable to me. I'm still concerned by the potential TMI slip more than anything, so I'm not exactly tossing Seph into the townpile, but it's not enough to justify a bandwagon this early.

That said, I'm pretty annoyed by the pressure Shad is getting for his vote ... was hoping to see another few people hop onto the Seph lynch when it seemed like low hanging fruit before unvoting. That won't be happening now.

So far I think that Seph has been really erratic for him, so that's strange in itself. The backtracking is what's bothering me right now. I do want an answer on that TMI because I'm not seeing it, so I'm probably leaning scummy town at most right now. As for Shad, his vote is strange and I feel that it is outside of his town meta. I normally wouldn't bring up meta because I have a hatred of it in it's general sense, but being that Shad has been ONLY town since he started playing the Aliens game makes anything abnormal easy to point out.
 

I wont be voting seph today and im actually pretty close to leaning town on him. Based off what i learnt about him when mentoring. He was town then and i am seeing a lot of the same town and puppylike overeagerness that gets him hit with signs.

Am looking at Shad was concerned he was fencesitting on seph but then he dropped the vote. reevaluating.

This is town Dice probably, though I'm hesitant to claim that now. (HP mafia) At most he's in a town lean at the moment.
 
#209 BFG also asks about the TMI

@BFG, because the "0-2" implies an assumption that they were actually attempted reads - i.e that darthe is town Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk

I'm not sure if this is the answer I'm looking for.
 

 

Yes :) anything else would have worried me

Can you explain your reads on Kivam and Seph up to this point?

Seph's attitude is very different here than in Star Wars. He's playing with confidence and swagger where I remember him as defensive and insecure. His more recent games should tell me if this is his new norm. Supposing for now that it is since no one has called him out for it, the big thing that bugs me is the explanation behind his Darthe vote. He contradicted himself explaining his thought process, as I see it, and I don't get how that happens if he was being honest. But he's putting on a show of trying to solve. Three votes and a lot of accusations didn't frazzle him much. It's not the Seph I towned with two months ago but that's not scummy in and of itself.

Kivam is interesting. I feel like he's all over the place. I want to interpret it as trying to shake things up and keep the game moving. He's having a go at people who haven't been sussed at all (Sooh, Tina, Hallia, me before I got into it with Seph). That's productive at this stage, if it creates some inconsistency. He got on Sooh for sussing me over the Seph vote. That felt weird, but I'm not seeing Sooh's scum game at all here and he might not know what to look for. I don't have a clue what is normal for him so meh. I want to like him.

Good post here.
 

Laine????

 

Hi darling!

interesting reads last night.

Less Darthe than usual, but i will stick that on his new job.

BFG in da house, got the same feel i had during the last game we were in. She's putting out quite some effort. Good

Seph has gotten someheat, which i deem normal. He's been active and out there a lot. it could raise suspicion, true. But i feel Seph is acting normal.

Good luck in your job Tina. I'll go back on monday after only three weeks off..

looking forward to more Laine this game.

<3 I'm feeling the love. How are you people getting so much time off? The most I ever get off is my weekends... I'm saddened.

Post#260 Agree with Talya's assessment that Seph feels more natural than in British Monarchy. Also I'd like to note that Seph is normally only mafia in the Black Tower. lol

 

ehh, I think you spilling the beans, had the dissuade factor. not sooh, nudging shad.

All due respect, Seph, this is silly. Once Player A (Shad) has gotten pressure for voting Player X (You), Player X is no longer low hanging fruit and a cautious mafioso isn't going to come piling on to a bandwagon.

 

@BFG, because the "0-2" implies an assumption that they were actually attempted reads - i.e that darthe is town Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk

I really dislike this post by kiv.
darthe posted them, so they are reads. apparently something you forgot while interpreting my post for me is MAFIA have to make reads as well!
I never once have called darthe town, and no it does NOT imply that.
[unvote]
[v] kiv[/v]

And this is also silly. (Not the vote, but the thought process). Mafia members don't make or post "reads". Mafia members actually know the alignment of every player in the game, so anything couched as a read is nothing of the sort; it's a fake read (whether calling someone townie or scum). But I'm getting the sense that you either haven't thought through the semantics of it or wouldn't care enough to make sure your post was clear, which would make that a null tell rather than potential TMI

I disagree with you Kiv. Mafia have to make reads to appear town. Yes, they're fake reads but they can be posted to appear natural enough. I think this is where I'm getting tripped up on the TMI discussion: Seph was purely questioning Darthe's reads on the surface and not looking at it like you are assuming. This actually might look worse for Tina who jumped on your TMI argument before voting; she's actually played with Seph before I think.

 

Catching up, I have a town read on Kiv, BFG, and Leelou. I really like that short read list she posted.

I feel a bit better about Thane. I think my problem is that I always scum read him, but now that he's posting actual reads based on game play, I like it.

Ready for more Laine.

I don't know about Seph. My gut tells me town though.

Not liking Tina or Shad atm. (Gameplay that is, I love you both <3 )

I mostly agree with this. Not getting the same feeling from Leelou yet, I think I tend to scum read her. Thane okay for me, I'm glad I'm missed as well. Gut town for Seph. Not a fan of Tina or Shad, personally. Also probably a town lean from Hally for this post <3  I like when you're being transparent in your reads

 

Kivam unvotes Tina after her WoT
Tina unvotes Seph for his post explaining myself, which I agree with.
 

townies

sooh

dice

bfg

thane

hallia

not townies

leelou

shad

talya

tina

alanna

darthe

kiv

 

I put the list in order for you
[edited the post to fix background which was messing up quoting]

Just noting this, not a fan of not having nulls but I can also see why. [you explain further down] At the same time, it's odd that you still have Talya and Leelou in that bottom list even though you too them out of your trio and left Darthe to vote. Wouldn't a null, in this instance, be useful? I think I agree with your townies though.
 

Just quickly;

@Kivam - I read Tommy's basic game (I am well aware how long ago it was ) during it you spent a lot of your non-recap posts debating game mechanics in as much as good and bad ways to play. Basically you were interacting but not doing anything, if that makes sense? You were pushing an INFO lynch over a low poster lynch. This game you're accepting of different play styles and seemingly working with/round them. Against that (for example) that post of Sephs where you isolate a word from the phrase or where you quote Tina's vote bit ignore her post beforehand that 'explains' it.

Essentially your play 'style' seems more townie, but I'm wary because I'm not sure if you're genuinely interpreting the posts the way you say, or if you're trying to twist the way you present the information.

I would say the latter from the experience I remember with Kivam, actually, but that was along time ago. I feel like he reads things differently and that may come off as him twisting words a bit. For example, seeing Seph's post as TMI but failing to realize Seph's intention with his words. I'm withholding judgement on his alignment until I can get a better read and see some flips.

 

Post #329 of Dice's: I like everything there, and I think I made my comments on town/mafia reads above, so I'm with him here.

 

I feel like Seph as scum is a whole lot more cautious than he has been in this game. It's a weak meta, I know, but as a villager he doesn't have to concern himself with being consistent. He feels open and free to me, and not at all guarding his words.

Agreed.

 

 

 

As for reads so far..
Town pile: Dice, BFG, Thane, Hally
Mix: Sooh, Seph
Leaning scum: Shad, Tina

Null: Darthe, Kiv, Talya, Leelou

 

The town pile have done nothing to warrant not having them there as of yet. Sooh is in mix because I didn't like her adding to what was going on earlier but other than that she's been around and posting. Seph is there because I'm on the fence about his alignment. I can make points on him either way and so he's going to sit there. Shad's in my scum pile because that vote on Seph was out of character for him and it's really bothering me, though I need to look at his most recent posts which I largely ignored (they had a lot of words so I'll get back to them). Tina is my bottom read purely because of the opportunistic vote on Seph based on "TMI". It's really sticking out to me right now and her explanations later did nothing to make me feel better about it. 

 

@Kiv: did you unvote Tina because you liked her explanations or because you were satisfied that she'd come back into the thread? (though I know you wont get this until after the deadline...)

 

My null pile is there because I suck at reading those four either way. They may sit there for a while.

[alannalynn]

The reason this took so long is because I kept getting distracted by other things. And now it's almost 330am and I haven't eaten in like 20 hours. So. Dinner time? I'll still be around to talk though

[Talya]

Hi Alanna, like your post. Are you Town this game...please? Agree about Shad, I didn't like his vote on Seph, but his later posts are better.

 

I'm struggling getting anything out of this game so far. The only who looks good as town atp is BFG, but I have never seen her as scum. Seph is some one I keep flip flopping on, gut says town on the way he posts, but head is doubting it. He still doesn't really answer questions about me and Leelou, says town now we in null, and doesn't say why. He says to ignore his soul read, which had me, Darthe and Leelou as wolf, if I do, he still hasn't really answered the question.

 

And now computer is playing up. I need to reread.

[BFG]

Ok, at this point I think I have Thane, Seph and (oddly) Talya as town leans. So I guess it's time to reread.

 

Kivam, I see what you're saying about not stating town reads, but I work via POE as much as anything else, so not stating town reads means I'm not going to be posting much of anything by means of an actual solve.

[BFG]

Hi Alanna, like your post. Are you Town this game...please? Agree about Shad, I didn't like his vote on Seph, but his later posts are better.

 

I'm struggling getting anything out of this game so far. The only who looks good as town atp is BFG, but I have never seen her as scum. Seph is some one I keep flip flopping on, gut says town on the way he posts, but head is doubting it. He still doesn't really answer questions about me and Leelou, says town now we in null, and doesn't say why. He says to ignore his soul read, which had me, Darthe and Leelou as wolf, if I do, he still hasn't really answered the question.

 

And now computer is playing up. I need to reread.

Thing with Seph is that his posts make a lot more sense if you assume he's starting with a town mind set then they do as mafia (I don need to read this more critically, Laine raised a good point in her WoT). I guess I could hesitate because his game as mafia is improving drastically each time (reading Pokemon before subbing in he was easily my strongest mafia read) but since then his play has gotten cleaner and 'better'. The fact that he's had so much negative attention makes me think he has to be town here (ironically and I appreciate that's not the greatest reason to read someone town). I don't think anyone was looking at Seph twice in his last game as mafia? I don't want to rule out the possibility that he's gotten good enough to gamble on something like this, but it seems unlikely at this point.

 

For me, the most interesting thing about this are Tina and Leelou's reactions to it. Partly because of the way Kivam interpreted one of Tina's posts as defending Seph, while her vote was still on him (I need to reread this to see what Tina actually said), and Leelou because of her post above where she doesn't know if it's scummy or derp town yet... I don't see her point of view for either of those viewpoints at the moment (again needs review)

[alannalynn]

Hey you two. BFG what do you think about Tina being the lynch today?

[alannalynn]

Also, yes I am town Talya and hellooo. I think we're feeling the same on Seph. Logically he's not making any sense and pinging scummily, but gut says he could be town for how he's been behaving and putting himself out there. And I don't see him faking that as mafia, either.

[alannalynn]

I'll be around for a bit, I really need to read over a few things here but not until I actually eat something. So.... yeah. I'll be back.

[BFG]

Hey you two. BFG what do you think about Tina being the lynch today?

I need to reread. Currently I don't really have an independent opinion on Tina. At the moment there's no one I feel comfortable pushing for a lynch.

[alannalynn]

I'll go ahead and [v]Tina[/v] because that's where I'm heading anyways. Right now for me it's a toss up between her and Shad, but I like the points he made on her a page back so that's that especially since they echoed my own.

 

If she flips mafia, it'll make Shad town in all likelihood. And if she flips town, I'll just have to reevaluate

[BFG]

What do you make of Talya at the moment?

[alannalynn]

What do you make of Talya at the moment?

Well there's nothing I've disliked of her posts so far. She's given some insights into Seph's behavior and that's coming of as a defense of him. She's also been asking a lot of questions. But I don't see any reads from her as of yet and there's been quite a bit of information to go from, esp linking people together (for lack of better wording). I have her in null until a better read comes along, but I would like to hear her WTL for today

[Niniel]

Answers to Shad:

 

1. I definitely thought it was worth pointing out that you choose to vote Seph first when he had already two votes (although you went after him a lot before) and was asked to do so by Seph. Me pointing this out means that it´s worth pointing out and even though you think I didn´t give my own comments on it, it was something negative that you did. I think you understand that without me saying it´s bad. Why would I point it out otherwise? 

 

2. The preassure on you was definitely because you waited with your vote until you saw someone else had voted before (my reason) + someone else posted that it was strange of you to vote after Seph told you to. That is kind of a meta reason and I don´t know your meta.

 

3. I have a really bad memory so if I say that there is something that I didn´t remember, it´s true.

 

4. Why was I not allowed to question Kivam about what he meant? I didn´t understand it, so I wanted to know. 

 

 

I hope this is not an omgus vote from me but:

 

[v] Shad [/v]

 

 

As said before, I didn´t like your vote of Seph. Your list was kind of good but I don´t like your "case" on me. 

 

 

About Laine:

 

I like that you are questioning Kivam but the rest of the catch up posts are not what I´m used to from you. A lot of it feels like filler. 

[Talya]

 

Hi Alanna, like your post. Are you Town this game...please? Agree about Shad, I didn't like his vote on Seph, but his later posts are better.

 

I'm struggling getting anything out of this game so far. The only who looks good as town atp is BFG, but I have never seen her as scum. Seph is some one I keep flip flopping on, gut says town on the way he posts, but head is doubting it. He still doesn't really answer questions about me and Leelou, says town now we in null, and doesn't say why. He says to ignore his soul read, which had me, Darthe and Leelou as wolf, if I do, he still hasn't really answered the question.

 

And now computer is playing up. I need to reread.

Thing with Seph is that his posts make a lot more sense if you assume he's starting with a town mind set then they do as mafia (I don need to read this more critically, Laine raised a good point in her WoT). I guess I could hesitate because his game as mafia is improving drastically each time (reading Pokemon before subbing in he was easily my strongest mafia read) but since then his play has gotten cleaner and 'better'. The fact that he's had so much negative attention makes me think he has to be town here (ironically and I appreciate that's not the greatest reason to read someone town). I don't think anyone was looking at Seph twice in his last game as mafia? I don't want to rule out the possibility that he's gotten good enough to gamble on something like this, but it seems unlikely at this point.

 

For me, the most interesting thing about this are Tina and Leelou's reactions to it. Partly because of the way Kivam interpreted one of Tina's posts as defending Seph, while her vote was still on him (I need to reread this to see what Tina actually said), and Leelou because of her post above where she doesn't know if it's scummy or derp town yet... I don't see her point of view for either of those viewpoints at the moment (again needs review)

 

 

In the last game, there was something about his play that niggled and I eventually voted him day 2 but we didn't get a lynch anyway and he was modkilled and we didn't get a coroner on him, which bugged me because I thought I was right. Here I'm not getting that same feeling and yet not liking his play, but not liking someones play doesn't make then wolf. I'm going to see how this develops, otherwise I will pull myself round in circles.

 

 

What do you make of Talya at the moment?

Well there's nothing I've disliked of her posts so far. She's given some insights into Seph's behavior and that's coming of as a defense of him. She's also been asking a lot of questions. But I don't see any reads from her as of yet and there's been quite a bit of information to go from, esp linking people together (for lack of better wording). I have her in null until a better read comes along, but I would like to hear her WTL for today

 

 

At the moment it's very big, lol. I'm trying to work out who I think is town and going from there. but we don't have much time. Will reread and hopefully I'll get a better look. I have to say, I'm seeing the Tina stuff though. Atp if I had to put her somewhere it would be slight town to Null.

 

I hate D1

[BFG]

This should be right

 

Unofficial Vote Count

 

Kivam (1) - Seph

TinaHel (2) - Darthe, Shad, Laine

Shad (1) - Kivam, Tina

 

Not Voting: Hallia, Thane Vakarian, dicetosser1, BFG, Talya, Sooh, Leelou

 

7 to lynch.

 

Deadline: 12pm PST. Around 6.5 hours to go?????????

 

 

 

 

 

 

Vote Count 1.9

 

Kivam (1) - Seph

TinaHel (2) - Darthe, Shad

Shad (1) - Kivam

 

Not Voting: Hallia, Thane Vakarian, AlannaLynn, dicetosser1, BFG, Talya, Sooh, Leelou, TinaHel

 

7 to lynch.

 

Deadline: 12pm PST tomorrow. Just under 14 hours to go.

 

 

I'll go ahead and [v]Tina[/v] because that's where I'm heading anyways. Right now for me it's a toss up between her and Shad, but I like the points he made on her a page back so that's that especially since they echoed my own.

 

If she flips mafia, it'll make Shad town in all likelihood. And if she flips town, I'll just have to reevaluate

 

 

Answers to Shad:

 

1. I definitely thought it was worth pointing out that you choose to vote Seph first when he had already two votes (although you went after him a lot before) and was asked to do so by Seph. Me pointing this out means that it´s worth pointing out and even though you think I didn´t give my own comments on it, it was something negative that you did. I think you understand that without me saying it´s bad. Why would I point it out otherwise? 

 

2. The preassure on you was definitely because you waited with your vote until you saw someone else had voted before (my reason) + someone else posted that it was strange of you to vote after Seph told you to. That is kind of a meta reason and I don´t know your meta.

 

3. I have a really bad memory so if I say that there is something that I didn´t remember, it´s true.

 

4. Why was I not allowed to question Kivam about what he meant? I didn´t understand it, so I wanted to know. 

 

 

I hope this is not an omgus vote from me but:

 

[v] Shad [/v]

 

 

As said before, I didn´t like your vote of Seph. Your list was kind of good but I don´t like your "case" on me. 

 

 

About Laine:

 

I like that you are questioning Kivam but the rest of the catch up posts are not what I´m used to from you. A lot of it feels like filler.

 

[BFG]

I'm going to be around for a while rereading (weekend jobs are mostly done), but I'll keep a tab open to chat if anyone's around

[Sooh]

I need to reread. Right now I have no idea which way I want to go with my vote. 

[BFG]

Ok, I started with a ISO on Seph, since he's at the centre of the game so far.

 

 

 

 

It's night, not daytime.... dang future people.

Sooh and Dice are town :) locking in those page 1 reads

 

 

 

 

It's night, not daytime.... dang future people.

Sooh and Dice are town :) locking in those page 1 reads

Considering your D1 read of the Ape ... done and done.  Sooh and Dice are town.

 

Unless you're scum.  You're not scum, are you?  Post in lavender if you are scum.  (BTW, the number of posts in that game that I have held myself back from repping for fear that someone would read more into it than "wow, that's a funny post" is ridiculous)

 

Town, and I definitely like your opening posts so far :) this is going to be a good game!

 

 

 

I already got 3 townies, and it feels good!

Going to try this soulread thing I have seen, to see how mine has been developing.

 

Tayla, leelou, Darthe

 

 

Just be town thane, and bring the booze, and the rest will fall in place.

If we get everyone drunk, the mafia will be inclined to tell us if they are the bad guys.

That's what boost does right, makes people more truthful?

 

 

Fos tayla for drinking water!

 

Assumed joke :)

 

 

 

should Darthe wield the axe... would be good, he'd be town then

Thane and seph have a wolf between them I think

 

Darthe... I usually like your early reads, but going 0-2 on page 5 is not a good look, I think that job is affecting your brain!

 

at the moment, i highly doubt that Darthe. Seph seems quite town, unless he's pulling somehting off from start D1 (which i doubt) and i have an awesome anti-wolf power up my sleave. So, if you're town as well, i'd like to throw you on the townpile and keep looking elsewhere

I'll town read Seph when I manage to piss him off and harvest massive emo town tell again.

 

Lol, well shad if you want to thunderdome on page 6, bring it :) it would be a much easier game, if I can get a town read on you. I have never seen you as scum before, and it worries me with how well you have been playing.

I feel like Shad's method for town reading me, is actually my method for town reading Dice lol.

 

Town list of awesomeness

Dice

Sooh

Thane

 

I suck at reading leelou, but her posts are fine. If she Is mafia, and darthe is town, I will the the cfd to him :)

Tayla I want to believe you are town! But if that is the case I think I need to give it another 15 games before I soulread again...

[v] Darthe[/v]

the soulread couldn't have been all wrong :(

 

The underlined to Talya makes absolutely no sense...

 

 

 

 

 

 

should Darthe wield the axe... would be good, he'd be town then

Thane and seph have a wolf between them I think

 

Darthe... I usually like your early reads, but going 0-2 on page 5 is not a good look, I think that job is affecting your brain!

 

Why are you so sure he went 0-2? And even if you are a townie who is that sure of your 5-page read of Thane, why are you defaulting to "Darthe is a townie making bad reads" instead of "Darthe may be scum setting up a false choice"?

 

Well I am 100% he went 0-1, and I feel like I can read thane pretty well. The more you get thane to talk, the easier it is to out him as scum. So while he isn't a lock read, I am feeling really good about him this far. Thane is a person that has a difficult time faking tone, and when he does his posts look plain weird.

 

Sue me, but I think thane is town, and I'm sticking to it!

 

 

 

Also I totally forgot to add Kivam to the town list

 

His handling of his town reads is consistent throughout

 

No, my vote is based entirely off my soul read, I was trying to make that obvious :)

I can't be wrong on all three, right?

 

 

I will state this for you all.

I voted darthe because I think k tayla, and leelou could be town.

I didn't want my soulread to be 0%

 

It was not a serious vote. Shad, why did you think it was serious?

He had two posts in the game, I would have the same %chance to vote anyone else in the game.

 

 

Leelou, I was voting darthe to get a reaction out of him, plain and simple.

 

0% the soul read was simply for fun, ad i figured by placing a vote, referencing it people wouod realize it as a joke. Which most did mind you.

It's page 7...point me to somone who is actively scum hunting with only half the game checked in leelou.

The reactions I got towards the post however, will help towards hunting.

 

 

Ok, this is where he seems to start fumbling a little, his vote on Darthe wasn't supposed to be serious, but it was a reaction test? That seems contradictory to me.

 

 

I told you, I wanted to see how darthe would react.

I did not vote him because I believed he was scum off of his two posts. I voted him as a joke, to see how darthe responded. I get better reads by interacting with people, and reading there tone.

 

I'm not backing away, by anyeans. I'm telling you it was never meant as a serious vote. I never thought darthe was scum at any point in time, and I was hoping his reaction would help me get a read on him, especially if he won't be as active.

 

However here, he says them both in the same post, so it must make sense to him in his own mind? Or he's covering, idk.

 

Later he says it was to get the game going hmmmmmmmmmm....

 

 

Ebwodp.

I did not believe he was scum

 

 

Or maybe I had it worded right the first time... lol I can't even make sense of my own posts.

 

 

I really liked the interaction between the two of them.

Sooh is probably my stongest town read, her tone is great, she isn't posting cautiously. She is all around towny in my eyes!

 

 

Getting the game going, and getting reactions is scummy?

Maybe you need to post a play by play again, on how I should play the game.

 

Shad, why are you giving me a pass here?

Darthe you vote to get a reaction I believe. And did you just call me scummy, but not scummy?? Why are you not voting me?

 

You think this is going to get me killed?? Trust me I'm not letting anyone mislynch me this game, unless I take down. Wolf or two in the process.

To you I say, glgl.

 

Keeping my vote on darthe for fence sitting.

 

 

 

 

Leelou, I was voting darthe to get a reaction out of him, plain and simple.

0% the soul read was simply for fun, ad i figured by placing a vote, referencing it people wouod realize it as a joke. Which most did mind you.

It's page 7...point me to somone who is actively scum hunting with only half the game checked in leelou.

The reactions I got towards the post however, will help towards hunting.

 

Red is reasonable.  Green really isn't when you are someone who I know makes serious votes early in a game without much to back them.  If you're town, try to keep in mind that it's ok to look derpy sometimes even if you really aren't.  This reads to me like you're digging for an out rather than explaining your thought process.

 

Because here it looks like you were giving me a pass. Every other game I have been in with you, when you find something suspicious, you usually lay down a vote. I found d it odd is all

 

In these last 2 posts he starts analysing the results of his 'soul read'

 

 

 

There's a high amount of internal consistency within his town reads (bolded, green in spoiler), but it is hard to follow his 'soul read' (bolded, purple).

 

It isn't explicitly stated when he reads Thane as town prior to the post in which he responds to Darthe, but I don't think this is a big deal. And if we're being nitpicky (and we all know I'm nitpicky) then it's maybe odd that he initially forgets Kivam on his list, but again, this doesn't really seem like a big deal.

 

The initial confusion seems to be in the definition of soul read. But accepting that he meant random guess it makes more sense.

 

BUT he's all over the place with his non town reads. He thinks Talya and Leelou could be town so votes Darthe as the last of his soul read? But then never thought they were town?

 

His vote on Darthe is bizarre and badly explained. Initially it was a joke, then it was a reaction test and then it was to 'get the game going'??? (underlined and bolded, orange)

 

Yeah, this isn't looking as good as I thought.

 

The biggest ping of all comes in that his posting drops once he starts getting less pressure.

 

The only thing I really have in his favour is that I don't necessarily think Seph makes such a bold move as mafia, he knows that it's easy to NOT draw attention to yourself? But I don't know, I know he roots for mafia in games he isn't playing

 

I like that he starts analysing the results of his 'test' but his analysis seems limited(?). His read never develops on Leelou or Talya who have been questioning him...

 

This maybe makes Leelou look better, since it turns out I don't understand Seph's progression here after all

 

@Seph moving on from the soul read, can you explain your vote on Darthe? How in your mind can something be a joke, a reaction test and a kickstarter?

 

You have 6 or 7 townies, which leaves several people not townie - other than Kivam who do you feel worst about?

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I know AJ only asked for me to help with vote counts during the week, but since I am here and the DL is soon, I figured an updated one would be a good idea :).

 

Vote Count 1.10

 

Kivam (1) - Seph

TinaHel (3) - Darthe, Shad, AlannaLynn

Shad (2) - Kivam, TinaHel

 

Not Voting (7): Hallia,Thane Vakarian, dicetosser1, BFG, Talya, Sooh, Leelou,

 

7 needed to lynch

Deadline: Saturday, August 8, 12pm PST

 

[BFG]

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Just going to point this out. I REALLY hope people are going to show up!

[Niniel]

I'm here for now but unless someone makes a good case on someone I will keep my vote on Shad.