[Harry Potter Week] Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone Mafia - GAME OVER - TOWN WINS

[BFG]

Lessa - out of the people voting you who looks worst? Out of the people not voting you who looks worst?

[Razen]

 

 

*snip*

I also found where you mentioned RTE previously but it didn't seem to factor into your read on Tabor??

 

I'm also intrigued as to why you seem to have RTE/Tabor/Lessa as your bottom 3? There isn't a group in there that makes sense?

I'm making no sense this game. Bah humbug. I DO think that Dice/Lessa makes sense. Also, Dice/Tab makes sense. Dice/RTE no longer makes sense on a reread. But I don't think there would EVER be a Dice/Tab/Lessa.

 

I've been coming to the same conclusion you are re: Dice, Lessa, and Taborline.  You pointed out the reasons that Dice and Taborline would make sense in the part I snipped.  I'm going to see if Dice ever said anything towards or about Lessa, otherwise this is just based on her last minute vote at EOD.

 

@ BFG - You're right about the fact that Lessa could have decided to switch the train towards RTE when she had chosen to unvote had she wanted to.  The thing that I didn't like though, was that you could see that an RTE vote was coming, I don't see why she would have mentioned that right at the end when she chose to unvote if it wasn't.  She then followed up, right before the deadline, and admitted at the beginning of the day today that she hadn't had time to justify it.  Coupled with Dice's flip, it looks pretty bad to me.

 

If you had to vote someone else who would you vote?

 

I would pick either Hallia or Kronos.  Both of them are because I don't have enough to read them either way, and I don't see how that helps us as town win the game.  Rhea also falls into that list, but she has been around and at least letting us know that she's following along - so I'm willing to cut her a little bit of slack at this point.

 

My reads list looks something like this:

 

Confirmed town:

Razen - I know my role PM, haha.

 

Strong town:

BFG - Leading the push on Dice yesterday.

 

Leaning town:

Sooh - She went with the vote on Dice when it didn't look likely that he would be lynched.  Generally liked her thinking too.

RTE - his vote yesterday was admittedly more out of self-preservation than anything else.  But

Clov - He's been inching his way up the list.  His posts have been making sense to me and I like the way he's approaching things.  His vote on Laine is one I'm not opposed to either.

 

Mixed:

Taborline - I think Laine explained this one pretty well.  She didn't really react strongly to Dice laying the groundwork for a vote on her, but she did flip-flop over his motivations for doing so, changing him from an offensive player to a defensive one at the end of the day.  Some of her posts have been odd too, but I think it might be just because of the fact that she's a newer player.

Laine - Her unexplained vote on RTE yesterday.  Looked like a placeholder more than anything else, since she said she wanted to be around for the deadline.  Her posts have generally been good though, and I've liked some of things she's pulled out regarding Taborline.

 

Null:

Hallia - Hasn't posted enough to give me a strong read either way, but the way she responded to being called out for sheeping Kronos was interesting.  RTE noted that she hadn't really contributed a whole lot at that point.  Someone else went back and looked at her too, I want to look at that too.  Before looking at that, I would say I have a very, very slight scum tilt on her, but not enough to be significant. *NOTE TO SELF - look at the post re: Hallia.

Kronos - Overall, he's been quiet.  A little too quiet.

Rhea - Rhea's been here, she's just not contributed as much game-related stuff as I'd like to see.  I do feel bad though - sounds like you're going through a rough patch!  Hope things get better soon.

 

Leaning scum:

Lessa - Her play at the end of the day.  She unvoted with the intention of moving onto RTE, but she was working to justify that vote.  When she realized she'd be unable to justify it in time, she slapped the vote on anyway,  causing the lynch go random, with Dice being revealed as scum.  In that situation, it's more than likely not a pro-town move.  I would have thought she would have seen Cairos's vote on Dice, being that there was about 5 minutes in between their votes.

[alannalynn]

 

Hallia is quiet. Kronos is quiet. Rhea is quiet. 1/3 mafia?

 

I need to get ready to leave so I wont be on much longer but I'm getting my friggin hair cut finally ugh

Hallia or Rhea imo

It sucks because I don't really have a read on Kronos/Rhea for lack of content; if they're town they need to speak up. And Hally I need to ISO, but I don't remember her being this quiet in the games I've played with her, scum or town. So. idk

[alannalynn]

Ok I've gtg. I'll hopefully be on mobile

[Razen]

@ BFG -  In this game, since we know the setup, there really isn't a whole lot you can claim if you're scum at L-1.  Only 2 possibilities are vanilla town or seer.  Vanilla town is safe and easy.  Doesn't rock the boat.  Gives her a chance to defend herself.  This is what I'd lean towards at this point.  Given that we already lynched one of them, I could see sacrificing the second member to kill the seer, but it only leaves one scum member to have to survive to end game, which could happen, but the odds would be against them.  Especially since the seer would more than likely confirm who they'd viewed before they were killed.  So, personally, I'd lean towards vanilla town.

 

Note: Lessa did claim Ron Weasley as her character - but that doesn't mean anything because Tress said that character claims would be provided to the mafia upon request.

[BFG]

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BFG: so you agree that Dice was gearing up to a vote on Tabor?

I feel that Dice was waffling more than he should be on Tab and it looks bad for both of them. She would be an easy mislynch if town and while he applied pressure, he waffled around on that suspicion and did nothing with it.

 

To the "unnecessary" part of my post: I felt like it was a point in your favor. <3

 

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Ok so the waffling is what you said initially; but later in the same post you imply that Lessa/Dice were voting for the same person?

 

 

I don't think I understand WHY he didn't vote her. To some extend the post feels fence sitty to me: He calls out the bad post that I had originally jumped on, asks if I was calling Tab scum, notes RTE defending Tab, gives up on the noob card, and comments on her back tracking. Why note all of this and still not vote her? Especially after noting defense from RTE. If she's town and he thinks she's acting scummy (regardless of noobness), then I'd think he would be voting her here. I would have definitely pushed that lynch through if he joined it, tbh.

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The Lessa part is very sus, and after her last minute vote, it definitely adds to Lessa's case. (Though, being that Lessa was also on the Tab train with me, I think that her death would help solve Tab for me... I don't see both Lessa and Dice as mafia voting for a teammate together)

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you agree that Dice was gearing up to a vote on Tabor?

 

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[BFG]

@ BFG -  In this game, since we know the setup, there really isn't a whole lot you can claim if you're scum at L-1.  Only 2 possibilities are vanilla town or seer.  Vanilla town is safe and easy.  Doesn't rock the boat.  Gives her a chance to defend herself.  This is what I'd lean towards at this point.  Given that we already lynched one of them, I could see sacrificing the second member to kill the seer, but it only leaves one scum member to have to survive to end game, which could happen, but the odds would be against them.  Especially since the seer would more than likely confirm who they'd viewed before they were killed.  So, personally, I'd lean towards vanilla town.

 

Note: Lessa did claim Ron Weasley as her character - but that doesn't mean anything because Tress said that character claims would be provided to the mafia upon request.

Without a 'guilty' from the seer elsewhere or an 'inno' on Lessa is being lynched today and it's been obvious since about 2 or 3 hours into day. There isn't enough discussion/any interest in looking elsewhere. Given she's being lynched anyway I think mafia claim cop. I don't think they take what would likely be their strongest fake claim and do so little to defend themselves.

 

Again I don't think this clears her, but I have a strong dislike of stagnant trains. It tends to mean town 95% of the time.

 

Meh, I said it was hokie

 

Who else are you looking at?

[BFG]

I'll be scarce for the next few hours

[Razen]

@ BFG -

I would need to read back on Hallia before making a decision one way or the other as to which one I'd vote, but it's between Kronos and Hallia for me.

 

 

 

*snip*

I also found where you mentioned RTE previously but it didn't seem to factor into your read on Tabor??

I'm also intrigued as to why you seem to have RTE/Tabor/Lessa as your bottom 3? There isn't a group in there that makes sense?

I'm making no sense this game. Bah humbug. I DO think that Dice/Lessa makes sense. Also, Dice/Tab makes sense. Dice/RTE no longer makes sense on a reread. But I don't think there would EVER be a Dice/Tab/Lessa.

 

I've been coming to the same conclusion you are re: Dice, Lessa, and Taborline.  You pointed out the reasons that Dice and Taborline would make sense in the part I snipped.  I'm going to see if Dice ever said anything towards or about Lessa, otherwise this is just based on her last minute vote at EOD.
 
@ BFG - You're right about the fact that Lessa could have decided to switch the train towards RTE when she had chosen to unvote had she wanted to.  The thing that I didn't like though, was that you could see that an RTE vote was coming, I don't see why she would have mentioned that right at the end when she chose to unvote if it wasn't.  She then followed up, right before the deadline, and admitted at the beginning of the day today that she hadn't had time to justify it.  Coupled with Dice's flip, it looks pretty bad to me.

 

If you had to vote someone else who would you vote?

 

I would pick either Hallia or Kronos.  Both of them are because I don't have enough to read them either way, and I don't see how that helps us as town win the game.  Rhea also falls into that list, but she has been around and at least letting us know that she's following along - so I'm willing to cut her a little bit of slack at this point.

 

My reads list looks something like this:

 

Confirmed town:

Razen - I know my role PM, haha.

 

Strong town:

BFG - Leading the push on Dice yesterday.

 

Leaning town:

Sooh - She went with the vote on Dice when it didn't look likely that he would be lynched.  Generally liked her thinking too.

RTE - his vote yesterday was admittedly more out of self-preservation than anything else.  But

Clov - He's been inching his way up the list.  His posts have been making sense to me and I like the way he's approaching things.  His vote on Laine is one I'm not opposed to either.

 

Mixed:

Taborline - I think Laine explained this one pretty well.  She didn't really react strongly to Dice laying the groundwork for a vote on her, but she did flip-flop over his motivations for doing so, changing him from an offensive player to a defensive one at the end of the day.  Some of her posts have been odd too, but I think it might be just because of the fact that she's a newer player.

Laine - Her unexplained vote on RTE yesterday.  Looked like a placeholder more than anything else, since she said she wanted to be around for the deadline.  Her posts have generally been good though, and I've liked some of things she's pulled out regarding Taborline.

 

Null:

Hallia - Hasn't posted enough to give me a strong read either way, but the way she responded to being called out for sheeping Kronos was interesting.  RTE noted that she hadn't really contributed a whole lot at that point.  Someone else went back and looked at her too, I want to look at that too.  Before looking at that, I would say I have a very, very slight scum tilt on her, but not enough to be significant. *NOTE TO SELF - look at the post re: Hallia.

Kronos - Overall, he's been quiet.  A little too quiet.

Rhea - Rhea's been here, she's just not contributed as much game-related stuff as I'd like to see.  I do feel bad though - sounds like you're going through a rough patch!  Hope things get better soon.

 

Leaning scum:

Lessa - Her play at the end of the day.  She unvoted with the intention of moving onto RTE, but she was working to justify that vote.  When she realized she'd be unable to justify it in time, she slapped the vote on anyway,  causing the lynch go random, with Dice being revealed as scum.  In that situation, it's more than likely not a pro-town move.  I would have thought she would have seen Cairos's vote on Dice, being that there was about 5 minutes in between their votes.

 

[alannalynn]

I was refering to them both voting tab. Lessa was already voting taborline and dice was waffling. If they're both mafia, there is no way tab is too, if that makes sense?

[Rhea]

Rhea is sick...my lack of posting is due to my vision right now. It's better this morning thought. I'm sorry I haven't been as active as I'd should be. 

 

I'm on page 22 atm and trying to get through my thoughts on D1 activity and votes. Then I will focus on what we have from there. 

[alannalynn]

I'm in and out right now. I'm a little bothered that I'm not seeing any more Lessa defense. Are you around?

 

Also, I love the word waffling. And I want waffles. I need food.

[BFG]

Rhea is sick...my lack of posting is due to my vision right now. It's better this morning thought. I'm sorry I haven't been as active as I'd should be. 

 

I'm on page 22 atm and trying to get through my thoughts on D1 activity and votes. Then I will focus on what we have from there.

Don't sweat it, looking forward to what you have :)

 

 

 

 

 

[alannalynn]

BFF cares about mobile users and puts her pictures/gifs in spoilers. <3

[alannalynn]

Anyone able to link/quote lessas explanation for her vote/case for me?

[Clovdyx]

 

[alannalynn]

Hi clov

[Rhea]

Holy pirate cuteness!!! 

 

Thanks! I needed that!

 

I'm really slow cuz I keep taking breaks. Up to page 26. LOL

[Clovdyx]

We have until tomorrow to finish moving everything out of/cleaning our old apartment, so I was scarce after work today, catching up.

 

I do think that the chances of RTE being scum are now very very low.  I am also glad that a Dice is dead and scum, because I have a terrible time reading him.

 

Does anyone else think the bold just sounds incredibly fake?  

[Clovdyx]

The reason I didn't vote RTE is that I thought his posts towards EOD were good, and I didn't feel at all sure that he would be scum. I voted Dice to see who would vote with me. At that point I was also liking a lot of what BFG had been saying about Dice throughout D1, and voting him felt more right. It was by no means a confident vote though.

@Sooh - is there any reason you DIDN'T vote RTE when he was a viable candidate and apparently in your POE?  What did your POE look like beyond Dice/RTE?

 

I was there, F5-ing the thread every two minutes or so up until EOD, so even if my vote on Dice landed when he was in no danger to be lynched I was there to see a train on him form, and there were a few minutes up until the last second when Lessa voted that he was in the lead. I had plenty of opportunity to change my vote to RTE, creating some bogus reason for doing so since I had been suspecting him up until that point. 

 

I'm liking Clov's posts more today than I did yesterday. I still feel like I haven't been able to clear Taborline completely, but as of right now I'm mainly interested in Hallia and Lessa. Hallia just needs to talk more and get her thoughts in the thread, because I feel like I have no idea what she's thinking. 

 

 

Can you highlight the RTE posts that swung you away from him?  You said you had him in your POE about an hour and a half before deadline, along with Dice, and again at 11:32.  Obviously that doesn't mean you're sold on him being scum, but you specifically stated his "giving up post was bad".  Then the vote came a few minutes later, and these were the only posts by RTE in between.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm totally confused. As a noob I've been trying to figure out what's going on lol. Sorry for being quiet. I didn't know this game would be so quick. I don't know who to choose!

 

This seems genuine but just engage in discussions and give your views more. This game becomes hard when town doesn't put the work in needed to win. And in this case mafia have a handicap so we need to make the most of it.

 

 

 

 

A lot of people finding Dice odd, but unwilling to vote

 

Just saying 

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I'm not unwilling to vote. Right now I'm just trying to see what happens. 

 

I'm not sure RTE is mafia, but I think the giving up post was bad. Like I said, RTE is also in my POE. 

 

 

It's D1, and I'm hardly sure about anyone. I feel like BFG and Laine are town, and that's good for me. At least I can look at their reads and feel like they are honest. 

 

Clov, I'm sorry, but I need some more time and experience in reading you. 

 

 

It's not giving up. There is almost literally no way the vote will go differently in the amount of time left. It's just acceptance of what is an inevitable fate at this point. 

 

 

I haven't played enough with Clov but we are also in a bad spot if he isn't town if that isn't obvious already. Wish he would be around more though in this game. Feel he's shooting from the sidelines, albeit with good points. 

 

 

 

 

 

None of these would have made ME feel better about him (and the last one would probably have made me feel worse, but nobody else seemed to have noticed  ) , so I'm not sure if YOU got something from these or if they came from before this point?

 

On a side note... middle paragraph is probably true, but I'm not sure how viable the switch would have been for mafia!Sooh.  A last second change would have been incredibly damning if/when Dice eventually flipped.  And I don't know that anybody would have bought moving off Dice when he's not saying/doing anything.  Obviously this doesn't matter now, just throwing my thoughts out there.

[Rhea]

I know there was link somewhere to common acronyms. I can't find it

 

What does EBWOP and ISO mean. Would help if I knew. 

 

thanks!

 

Getting close!

[Songstress]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT (unchanged):

Lessa (5) RTE, Razen, Laine, Rhea, Taborline
Razen (1): Lessa
Laine (1): Clov

Not voting (4): Hallia, BFG, Sooh, Kronos

Deadline for Day 2 is Friday, July 31st at 9:00 PM MST/midnight EDT:
http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20150731T21&p0=197&msg=Day+Two+Deadline&font=cursive&csz=1

[Clovdyx]

I know there was link somewhere to common acronyms. I can't find it

 

What does EBWOP and ISO mean. Would help if I knew. 

 

thanks!

 

Getting close!

 

Edit by way of post.  Since you typically can't edit posts in games, players typically correct their mistakes by quoting the post and then changing and highlighting the correction.

 

ISO means Isolation and refers to running a search for an individual's posts.  Basically you're trying to see everything posted by just one player.

[Rhea]

Thank you!

 

Do you have that link?

 

Apparently there's been a lot of new acronyms added since I played last. It really hard to understand what ppl are saying when you don't know what the letter stand for.

 

Page 32.

 

Also, for those of you who don't know, I take note on paper. Yes...I am old. 

[Clovdyx]

She's probably not the best lynch today, but I'm not feeling good about Tab at all.  

 

Clov, wrt that quote ("The one that looks the worst to me is [v]ReleaseTheEvil[/v]. If he thinks it was a noob mistake, whatever, but immediately suspecting anybody for a different pov is incrediblybsketchy.") I did read you completely wrong, I apologise.

 

The bottom one - I wondered if Razen's vote for Dice wasn't just an easy disguise for scum: you can see where the train is going, why be the one to disagree? Just go with the flow and lay low.

 

 

Yeah, you read something that was essentially the exact opposite of what I said.    And shortly after I said it originally, you replied to another post I made a half hour later and completely ignored that one.  

 

 

I don't know Razen at all so I can't absolutely say what he would do, but I find it pretty unlikely he saw his teammate getting pressured and hopped on to force the tie.  He couldn't possibly have known that Cairos would have voted there, so mafia!Razen could have done nothing and let it stall at 4-3 or try to find a reason to push RTE (who was still leading).