[Harry Potter Week] Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone Mafia - GAME OVER - TOWN WINS

[BFG]

Dice Train (with RTE mixed in)

 

 

 

 

 

@Dice

 

You asked RTE to answer questions, you hadn't asked any. It's a minor discrepency in your post; as is forgetting Laine at the bottom. I even said they were minor at the time.

 

I'm not trying to tell a narrative? I'm saying it sounds like you are.

 

You literally say in your original post

 

"Really bad post. Was thinking of voting then realised she is new so decided to let it go esp as people all jumped on it"

 

and just said

 

"I dont care if she has votes. If I wanna vote her I will vote her. Thats it. What i want is an ANSWER from her. Is she or is she not a newbie? the answer decides how i read her."

 

Which is precisely why I have a problem. If Town!you wants to vote, you'll vote so why should other peoples voing even enter your head here?

 

If you didn't vote because you wanted her to answer whether or not she had experience then why add the bit about people already voting? The fact that you did means that you're aware of the fact that people voted her and are possibly(?) wary of joing the train.

 

You're working to justify a potential vote, which is something I've seen you do more as mafia than town.

 

 

 

first time you were concerned was when you didn't vote Cairos because Clov already was, important No. Indicative of a way of thinking, maybe.

 

 

 

You're also being closed now; you have town reads/leans, but reading through your ISO I have no idea who; if I had to guess I'd say Laine and Cairos.

 

 

 

No Vote is absolutely a bad idea. Currently we're at 10v3, assuming a lynch and NK every day that gives us 4 mislynches before losing. Numerically we still get 4 mislynches if we No lynch today, BUT we end on mylo instead of lylo and that's generally worse for town. It also means we start tomorrow in a similar position to today and people are saying that they're finding it hard to post without much info.

 

[v]Dice[/v]

 

 

oh and BFG?? you want me to vote whereever I please? Here

 

vote no lynch I DONT see this as bad. Odds are that we mislynch a townie today. No lynch means 1 less townie dies we still have the info gathered today tomorrow

 

with that im off to bed and wont be back for DL as told earlier

Yeah, I can see Clov’s point here. But equally I think that Dice was just annoyed with me. I think that makes Tabor and RTE town. Nobody is willing to consider No Lynch so chances are extremely high that it will be one of the current trains that ends in a lynch. Not locked in on this interpretation, but seems likely at the moment.

 

UNOFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Taborline (2): Laine, Lessa

RTE (3): Clov, Kronos, Hallia

Lessa (1): Razen

Rhea (1): RTE

Dice (1): BFG

No Lynch (1): Dice

 

Not Voting (4): Taborline, Rhea, Sooh, Cairos

 

Deadline for Day 1 is Wednesday, July 29 at 9:00 AM MST:

 

8-1/2 HOURS UNTIL DEADLINE

 

 

 

[unvote]

 

I don't know what to do.

 

I'm about to go to bed, I really have to sleep or I'll be useless by later today once I have to go to work.

 

I guess I'm going to take a nap, I'll try to be up by deadline

 

For now, I'll [v]RTE[/v]

This basically makes it a one horse race :/

 

Also this looks really bad :( I don’t remember her mentioning RTE at ALL in a negative sense. Need to read this in context. But timing wise, Dice is starting to gather attention (admittedly just me/RTE so far)

 

Laine you mafia on me again </3 ?

 

First ISO when this beast is done and I’ve had a break.

 

 

 

Possible ClovGOAT

 

 

 

UNOFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Taborline (1): Lessa

RTE (4): Clov, Kronos, Hallia, Laine

Lessa (1): Razen

Rhea (1): RTE

Dice (1): BFG

No lynch: Dice

 

Not Voting (7): Taborline, Rhea, Sooh, Cairos

 

Deadline for Day 1 is Wednesday, July 29 at 9:00 AM MST:

 

Ok, let's see what happens..

 

[v]Dice[/v]

I don’t really recall Dice in her reads prior to this, but this is DEFINITELY an important momentum swing vote here.

 

 

I'm not sure about Dice but I know I am town... And that No lynch vote...

 

Unvote. Vote Dice

Self preservation, not much else to say. He’s been wary of Dice all game, and honestly the ‘want more time to read’ is a thought that I used to agree with…

 

Given the choice, I'd rather lynch Dice than RTE. Unvote, vote: Dice.

I think this was due to a townier read on RTE than a scummy one on Dice? Need to read to check. Either way, this is another great vote. He makes his vote count, and votes correctly (in as much as we know)…

 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Taborline (1): Lessa

RTE (4): Clov, Kronos, Hallia, Laine

Dice (4): BFG, Sooh, RTE, Razen

No Lynch (1) Dice

 

Not Voting (3): Taborline, Rhea, Cairos

 

Deadline for Day 1 is Wednesday, July 29 at 9:00 AM MST:

 

<snip>

 

Sorry for the WoT but I don't know the coding for the spoiler button.

 

Yes I have played here before but it had been a very, very long time.

 

I phrased that awkwardly and I apologize. I was trying to work out the thought process for someone to say "throwing in the towel". Upon rereading I now see that Taborline didn't mean it how I had thought she did when I first read it.

 

As for agreeing/disagreeing with things already said, I've never been one to like it. I'm terrible at writing essays for uni because of it as I don't see the point in restating something multiple times in slightly various ways.

 

I don't like how RTE is jumping to the defense of a few people and then never really going back to it.

Unvote

I’ve already gone through this briefly. This unvote by itself doesn’t change the trains. And if she was teammates with Dice I think she’d have voted RTE here to put momentum back in that direction.

 

 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

RTE (4): Clov, Kronos, Hallia, Laine

Dice (4): BFG, Sooh, RTE, Razen

No Lynch (1) Dice

 

Not Voting (4): Taborline, Rhea, Cairos, Lessa

 

Deadline for Day 1 is Wednesday, July 29 at 9:00 AM MST:

 

Well if you guys think Dice is mafia I'll help. It was my gut feeling that dice was mafia.

 

[v]Dice[/v]

GOAT vote

 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

RTE (4): Clov, Kronos, Hallia, Laine

Dice (5): BFG, Sooh, RTE, Razen, Cairos

No Lynch (1) Dice

 

Not Voting (3): Taborline, Rhea, Lessa

 

Deadline for Day 1 is Wednesday, July 29 at 9:00 AM MST:

 

Vote RTE

Despite the draw in the votes I’m meh on this vote tbh.

 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

RTE (5): Clov, Kronos, Hallia, Laine, Lessa

Dice (5): BFG, Sooh, RTE, Razen, Cairos

No Lynch (1) Dice

 

Not Voting (2): Taborline, Rhea

 

Deadline for Day 1 is Wednesday, July 29 at 9:00 AM MST:

 

 

DEADLINE HAS PASSED! PLEASE DO NOT POST!!!

 

I swear I saw Potter and that Granger girl head down this hallway, he thought. They told us it was off limits, but I am going to find out what they're up to.

 

He heard voices ahead, and a deep, terrifying growl.

 

Maybe following them isn't such a great idea. As he rounded the corner into the room from which he'd heard the voices, Draco Malfoy was faced with a massive and furious three-headed dog.

 

 

Dice - Draco Malfoy, mafia goon - has been lynched by virtue of random.org tiebreaker.

 

 

==========

 

 

IT IS NOW NIGHT 1

 

 

NO POSTING IS ALLOWED DURING NIGHT PHASE.

Just quoted cos I’m still a little stoked

 

 

 

 

TLDR;

 

Laine looks pretty bad here in the context I remember. ISO will be incoming later on. I need a bit of a break first!

 

I really want Dice's train to be clean, but there possibly/probably is a bus vote there somewhere. Other places to look first though!

[BFG]

I guess after that Laine/Hallia are my top 2 places to look.

[Lessa Nikia]

Ok first I shall address my vote on RTE. As the deadline was very close, I was trying to find what he had said that made me uncertain of his alignment. What made me uncertain was that he FOSed everyone who voted Taborline because she's new. In the games I've played in the very distant past, when someone FOSed everyone who voted for one person they tended to be scum. That added to how it felt like he was trying to gain town cred, made me lean toward him being scum.

 

Now, I know the last minute vote looks bad, not everyone needs to say that it looks bad because I already know, but I panicked. I felt I needed to vote and I didn't have a read on Dice at all so I voted for the one I thought I might have a read for. I also quite honestly had forgotten it would be a random lynch as I had also forgotten that this isn't a hammer game.

 

I know Dice mentioned how he didn't understand why I had votes D1 but I think he did that in case at any point during the game he was lynched and a townie would definitely soon follow.

[BFG]

So who are your top town/top suspects?

[Songstress]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Lessa (5) RTE, Razen, Laine, Rhea, Taborline

 

Not voting (6): Clov, Hallia, BFG, Sooh, Kronos, Lessa

 

Deadline for Day 2 is Friday, July 31st at 9:00 PM MST/midnight EDT:

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20150731T21&p0=197&msg=Day+Two+Deadline&font=cursive&csz=1

[BFG]

 

 

 

BFG: top/bottom reads?

You're not going to like them

 

RTE, Tabor, Sooh, Razen are likely town here. Relatively confident on RTE/Tabor, need to review Sooh and Razen beyond end of day yesterday.

 

Pretty much everyone else is in my POE, not sure how I'd arrange you all yet :(

 

Clov is making me uncomfortable, but I'm not sure how much of that is just paranoia.

You've been pretty townie, but the complete opposite reads thing is starting to make me edgy

Lessa is starting to feel too easy, I don't think her vote is as decisive as the train today suggests

I'm pretty comfortable with Kronos pending more interaction

Hallia is troubling me; last game she was obvious townie by the end of Day 1, and I'm not sure I see that here

Rhea is sort of null as well.

 

Agree on Sooh/Raz for town, meh on RTE/Tabor: I want to see a Lessa flip to solve that. After her explanation did nothing to help her case, I think she's a good choice for a lynch today. I understand the "too easy" feel though

 

Red: why is he making you uncomfortable?

Green: You're telling me... I didn't expect to get Dice so off on d1, but that's past. I'm not going to back down from my reads though unless something better comes along. It would help to shake out some more game interaction with Kronos/Rhea for me, but I may just have to go back and do some rereading

 

<snip>

 

Red - mostly little things. As a general impression up until this morning I didn't really know what he was thinking, he seems distracted(?) I don't know really. I feel that he 'should' have been reading me better yesterday, but maybe he'd say the same about me? His follow up on the Cairos vote seemed almost nudgy? Equally I don't know that I've ever read him as mafia when he's been mafia, but this sort of confusion is frequent when he's town. I think we just seem to be in different places with regards the thread. I liked the vote on Cairos (prior to his follow up), I liked his read on Razen(? think it was Razen).

 

Green - lol, Dice was playing well, I'm not lambasting you for the read :) But today I don't really understand how you're voting Razen Lessa, while still thinking RTE and Tabor are scummy, yet she voted both of them with you yesterday. You have Clov as clear town and I can't move him out of null... But I absolutely do NOT want you to change your reads because someone disagrees, that doesn't help anything <3 You're also reading Hallia more positively than I am.

 

 

I kind of need to spend some time shoring up reads. Dice was probably my one good read in the game so I guess we'll see how stuff goes...

 

Ebwop.

 

Whoops

[BFG]

Clov, I'd love your opinion on RTE's train!!!

[Lessa Nikia]

Top suspects:

Razen- for saying my vote on Taborline was oppertunistic when he kept his vote there, after reaction voting her, for the same post

Rhea and Kronos - haven't been able to gauge much from either but their votes seem to follow the flow of events

 

Top townie reads: AJ and BFG

 

Unsure as to everyone else

[BFG]

Top suspects:

Razen- for saying my vote on Taborline was oppertunistic when he kept his vote there, after reaction voting her, for the same post

Rhea and Kronos - haven't been able to gauge much from either but their votes seem to follow the flow of events

 

Top townie reads: AJ and BFG

 

Unsure as to everyone else

That's a good observation on Razen

 

why is Laine a top town for you?

[Lessa Nikia]

The two of you are very forthright with your opinions and too forward to be scum

[Rhea]

The two of you are very forthright with your opinions and too forward to be scum

This is not an indication of towniness imo. 

 

 

 

 

Hello! I'm back and feeling a bit better. Going to try to stick it out!

 

Going back to read and catch up.

[Clovdyx]

My week is finally over.  This weekend could not have come at a better time.

[Clovdyx]

Rhea, I'm still in the process of catching up, but real quick question.  (People NOT named Rhea, please do not answer)

 

How would you feel about lynching RTE instead of Lessa today?

[Lessa Nikia]

Vote Razen

[Rhea]

I'm reading....vision is getting blurry so I need a break. Taking notes. 

 

Clov....I would be fine with that. I think I said that already? Maybe not. I'm working on a post though. 

 

I'll be back in a couple hours to finish. 

[Clovdyx]

I'm reading....vision is getting blurry so I need a break. Taking notes. 

 

Clov....I would be fine with that. I think I said that already? Maybe not. I'm working on a post though. 

 

I'll be back in a couple hours to finish. 

 

Eh, I haven't seen anything where you actively advocated for his lynch.  But I have a few pages of new stuff to read, and I want to go over things again now that I'm not on my phone.  I'll keep this in mind as I finish my reading.

[Songstress]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Lessa (5) RTE, Razen, Laine, Rhea, Taborline

Razen (1): Lessa

 

Not voting (5): Clov, Hallia, BFG, Sooh, Kronos

 

Deadline for Day 2 is Friday, July 31st at 9:00 PM MST/midnight EDT:

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20150731T21&p0=197&msg=Day+Two+Deadline&font=cursive&csz=1

[Clovdyx]

 

First thing I've gathered from going back over threads is that I have a feeling RTE is Town.

 

On page 20, RTE is the first person (I think) to come out anti-Dice, and on page 27 he continues his suspicion, saying Dice is working up to a vote on me and continues later to direct people towards him. If they were team mates, why be the first person to get the ball rolling and then carry on mentioning him in suspicious ways? He does vote for Rhea instead at one point, and say Dice is on his list but he's still unsure, but that all seems quite Town to me.

 

After I made my Sooh post about subbing, RTE defends me as a newb and Rhea then puts a bit of attention on him for that (all on page 23):

 

 

 

Rhea: I can't help but feel that RTE is doing a bit of defending (or maybe deflecting) here (bold and underlined). Taking note of that. Just notes, hunches, and gut feelings are all Iv'e got right now!

 

Laine also comments on this:

 

 

 

Laine: I feel like RTE's comment is him just trying to look good in this situation. Defend Taborline for town cred (defending the newbie) and present a "trap" for those opportunistically voting her? Mehhh

 

Clov then comes right out and goes for RTE with a full-on vote, calling it scummy to defend someone for cred. Also on the same page, he distances himself from Rhea, saying that he doesn't like that she only "notes" what's going on.

 

BFG still doesn't give me a definite feeling at this point.

 

Kronos then comes in and also goes straight for RTE, while defending me.

 

Dice comes in at this point and goes for me and RTE.

 

And that all looks like scum piling on to him.

 

I'm still reading, though...

 

Dislike most of this post.  I don't know if she just doesn't have the experience in mafia, but I think the bold is actually pretty standard scumplay - obviously mafia can't just latch onto all of their teammates the entire game, so they typically find SOMETHING negative about them.  Also disagree with the idea that RTE was the one who really got the ball rolling on Dice.  He might have been the first to mention Dice, I'm not sure, but I think most would agree BFG was the first (and really ONLY) reason that Dice got pressured D1.

 

As for the bottom, I feel like I'm reading a different thread than what's being said.  The quote about me is just blatantly wrong.  @Taborline - where are you seeing me saying defending is scummy?

 

 

 

 

 

On my phone, so I'm not going to try quoting everything.

I think Taborline's post was more likely to be bad okay than an outright scum claim. Could be bad town, could be bad mafia, but I'm not going to lynch him for it.

Similarly, I don't fault anybody for taking the stance against him. Razen's post was a very understandable conclusion - I don't think he was reaching (or completely making anything up) when he said it looks like role fishing.

The one that looks the worst to me is [v]ReleaseTheEvil[/v]. If he thinks it was a noob mistake, whatever, but immediately suspecting anybody for a different pov is incrediblybsketchy.

 

 

 

 

 

Kronos vote:

 

 

 

 

I've seen a lot of things I agree with being said so far.

 

My thoughts on people:

 

Taborline: New player making new player mistakes - nothing to be ashamed of, but I'm not buying she's scum yet.

Clov: Actually trying to find scum IMO - town lean

Laine: Similar to Clov - probably the most active and trying to do the most work. Town Lean

RTE: I'm with Clov here - his defense of Tabor makes sense, but his remark seems opportunistic yet he's unwilling to make a vote - leaning scum here

Hallia: Laine's got her meta down (<3 souvra)

Jagen/Sooh: as one who has left games for many reasons - this is by no means indicative of alignment - Jagen's reasons are her own - null because not enough to go on

 

Everyone else I'm pretty null on.

 

I feel good putting a vote on [v]RTE][/v] right now

 

 

 

 

 

I probably wouldn't call the bold "defending", but that's splitting hairs enough that I don't have any issue with her statement there.

 

Dice:

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think Tambourline's blunder is a noob one, and one very indicative of her noobness at mafia and nothing else. I will be looking closely at people who take the opportunity to build a train on her based on it. 

 

Defense of Tab noted  Fos noted as stinky. 

 

 

 

 

 

That's literally everything negative Dice said about RTE, and again, he never voted him.  

 

 

I don't know what you mean irt missing Sooh out.

In your Dice train analysis you didn't discuss Sooh's vote?

 

 

I wasn't trying to actually analyze all the votes, I was just trying to give the first thoughts I had.  I really don't have much of a read on Sooh at this point.  Off the top of my head, early position on a D1 mafia lynch is a plus, but I really don't remember any content from her this game.  The vote doesn't seem incredibly clearing for me because Mafia!Sooh might have thought it was a distancing point since Dice really wasn't at risk of being lynched at that time.  

 

Hoping she's around tonight so I can get some interactions with her.

 

(chopping)

 

RTE then goes Dice – could be a case of him being scum and getting to safety by going with a flow, but at this point only Sooh had actively put in a vote. If he were scum, again, he could have ignored her for now.

 

Razen then goes for Dice, piling on, which could be scummy now that we can see where the head-to-head is going.

 

 

Top - I'm not sure who this is about.  If it's talking about RTE ignoring Dice (not a her...probably), well... no he couldn't have.  Like you said, he had to get to safety.  RTE was at four votes and Dice was the only other person with multiple votes.  If he ignored Dice, what option did he have but to accept his lynch?

 

Bottom - ....what?

[Clovdyx]

Top suspects:

Razen- for saying my vote on Taborline was oppertunistic when he kept his vote there, after reaction voting her, for the same post

Rhea and Kronos - haven't been able to gauge much from either but their votes seem to follow the flow of events

 

Top townie reads: AJ and BFG

 

Unsure as to everyone else

 

Can you elaborate on this please?

 

 

The two of you are very forthright with your opinions and too forward to be scum

This is not an indication of towniness imo. 

 

This is a good point.

[Clovdyx]

[v]Laine[/v]

 

Let's have some fun.

[Clovdyx]

Okay, I went back and checked out Sooh's progression IRT Dice near deadline.  Vote count is at 4-1.

 

 

 

 

I'll be here until EOD now. Still unsure on which way I'm going to vote as I don't feel anyone sticks out as particularly scummy yet. Dice and RTE are both in my POE. I can't say I have any particular lean on players like Lessa and Rhea yet. I want to give Taborline another day. 

 

Are anyone free to talk to me? I feel like I need to discuss this with someone.

 

 

A lot of people finding Dice odd, but unwilling to vote

Just saying 

*snip*

I'm not unwilling to vote. Right now I'm just trying to see what happens. 
 

I'm not sure RTE is mafia, but I think the giving up post was bad. Like I said, RTE is also in my POE. 

 

 

It's D1, and I'm hardly sure about anyone. I feel like BFG and Laine are town, and that's good for me. At least I can look at their reads and feel like they are honest. 

 

Clov, I'm sorry, but I need some more time and experience in reading you. 

 

 

Ok, let's see what happens..

 

[v]Dice[/v]

 

 

This makes it 4-2, and it's 4-4 by the next post.

 

 

Eh, Dice is defensive both ways

Do you still find RTE more suspicious than Dice?

 

 

We need people to vote though. I'm with BFG and don't want to move mine. 

 

 

^ Still 4-4 at this point

 

 

 

I still can't put Sooh on the same level as BFG based on how much work BFG did towards the lynch, and Sooh's vote didn't have the same impact on the lynch that Razen's did.  Her actual vote was pretty weak to me.  "Let's see what happens" doesn't really give me the impression she was super comfortable with the lynch.  She DID say that nobody stuck out as particularly scummy, but I'm just not in love with it.

 

That being said, the whole progression looks decent.  The post towards Hallia suggests that she really did want people to take a stance on it, and the fact she didn't want to be the one to break the tie is definitely a huge plus for her.  

 

@Sooh - is there any reason you DIDN'T vote RTE when he was a viable candidate and apparently in your POE?  What did your POE look like beyond Dice/RTE?

[Clovdyx]

Clov talks to himself, inflates post count ITT 

[BFG]

Hi Clov!

 

What do you think of Hallia?

[BFG]

Also, why did you focus on Dice's train instead of RTE's earlier?

[Clovdyx]

Also, why did you focus on Dice's train instead of RTE's earlier?

 

How am I supposed to find likely/unlikely teammates for somebody whose flip we don't have?