Belichick - Mafia Eternal Night

[Andrej]

Will be back later to reread more intensively.

 

Not much to add now - Rand still clearly talking out of his arse as Shad clearly illustrated and Laine seems to be dropping that bus vote imo

[BFG]

Good evening :)

[Shad_]

Just whipped up a wicked eggplant moussaka just to find out I was out of flower for the parmesan sauce.  Scum about to face the rage of Chef Shad. 

[Shad_]

 

This is jumping ahead a bit but if w/w Rand was more likely to shoot last night because he was more likely to get lynched today.

I wasn't here during night, remember I popped in thinking it was day 1, and it was day 2.

 

You just...

 

is this...

 

did this post just happen?

[BFG]

 

 

@Shad, regarding Talya/Zander. I initially thought that Zander had gone from town reading Talya to her pinging, I remembered his initial post as saying she was 'into it' or words to that affect which I generally associate with town reads and didn't remember anything in the interim that would account for that.

Between the first post and second I found his initial post and realised that Talya was null to him initially, then looked through thread to see if there was something there to justify it. At that stage in the game there still wasn't a lot going on so I was 'picking' at minor things still.

Re Talya, I'd been fairly neutral on her all day, but the stuff she posted in the run up to day, I just don't see coming from mafia. That may be silly of me to say as I have no knowledge of what mafia!Talya is like, she could be another Cass, but that's what I feel. If you go through those posts, she addresses pretty much everyone, she appears to be looking to solve the game, her reads are non consensus but for the right reasons, her ISO on Thane followed on from what she was thinking and didn't look like busy work. I just can't see Talya as mafia this game.

Re Thane, he's probably the player that's hardest for me to get a read on. I had him as light town in SW up untilhis reentrance Day 2, so can't clear him on tone or 'ease' on thread (which is grating because I should have known that anyway from a previous game where he fooled Tommy by tone) although I 'want' to. This game he's made some posts that have me thinking town, his read on me is close towhat I think town Thane thinks, in as much as Thane is one of many players who doesn't seem to ever clear me, but he does view how I interact on thread as alignment indicative. The caveat here is that I don't know how mafia Thane reads me so can't use this to clear him either. When you and Hallia stated the repetitive read thing, I started wondering if that held so dropped him to null to check it out. AJ posted his stuff on Thane which made me feel better again. I checked out AG, SW, Pokemon and ME yesterday. In AG and Pokemon his early posts were entire game solve, read lists posts. He didn't post anything like that in SW, so I started wondering if game solve posts were his thing, but he didn't seem to post any in ME either. I have never seen Thane get irritated in that manner yesterday and dont know how to process that. One frustrating thing about him is that he doesn't fight his lynch when town, he views mislynches as necessary for information. I don't know if change is Thane finally breaking that orjust annoyance at branding mafia again. In short, I just don't know.

Re me, thanks for the paying attention thing, I was starting to think I was going bonkers. Also the swayability of my opinions depends on how strong that opinion is, with Thane my opinion is pretty much what the last person said and to an extent Rand as well, which is why he probably ended up subconsciously at the bottom of the list.

My most recent mafia games are in the BT, pokemon is probably as 'good' as I can get and was boosted by subbing in with opinions I'd formed as uninformed. Also cliche mafia, but I had to sub out due to RL, so not a great example. Last town game was April Fools. Darthe and Cindy both seem to have a decent grasp of my mafia 'meta' after Pokemon

Re not voting - stupidity mostly. I had an alarm set for 4.15 slept through it and woke a minute before deadline. I should have voted anyway, I wasn't sure on Rand, and was on Hallia :(

@AJ, Re Dice, because other than Hallia as mafia he had no new opinions from the last time he posted before EOD, I'd hoped for more.

 

 

 

not a fan of your explanation in bold BFG.

Why not?

[BFG]

 

 

 

And "huge defense" was not a good way to word it on my part.  I said what I was thinking instead of what I was seeing.  But suffice to say she reacted very.... unexpectedly? to Zander's "Talya pings me" line.

 

 

Thats why my other Wolf Lean is BFG.

Then WHY didn't you say this? You've spoken a lit about tone, gut and disliking ny early read on Shad but bot bothered with anything specific like this.

Answered to Shad above, if there's anything else like this it will be best we deal with it now.

And additionally, how much of your Talya read is associated with me?

 

Cause Im more confident on my read of Talya and Im trying to progress on her.  And yes a part of my read on you is Talya related,  Patience sweet BFG I'll get to you soon enough...lolololololololol

 

But seriously I think you may be a wolf.

I asked how much of your Talya read was tied to me, not how much of your read of me was tied to Talya.

 

The last, I hadn't guessed

[Zander?]

 

 

 

@Shad, regarding Talya/Zander. I initially thought that Zander had gone from town reading Talya to her pinging, I remembered his initial post as saying she was 'into it' or words to that affect which I generally associate with town reads and didn't remember anything in the interim that would account for that.

Between the first post and second I found his initial post and realised that Talya was null to him initially, then looked through thread to see if there was something there to justify it. At that stage in the game there still wasn't a lot going on so I was 'picking' at minor things still.

Re Talya, I'd been fairly neutral on her all day, but the stuff she posted in the run up to day, I just don't see coming from mafia. That may be silly of me to say as I have no knowledge of what mafia!Talya is like, she could be another Cass, but that's what I feel. If you go through those posts, she addresses pretty much everyone, she appears to be looking to solve the game, her reads are non consensus but for the right reasons, her ISO on Thane followed on from what she was thinking and didn't look like busy work. I just can't see Talya as mafia this game.

Re Thane, he's probably the player that's hardest for me to get a read on. I had him as light town in SW up untilhis reentrance Day 2, so can't clear him on tone or 'ease' on thread (which is grating because I should have known that anyway from a previous game where he fooled Tommy by tone) although I 'want' to. This game he's made some posts that have me thinking town, his read on me is close towhat I think town Thane thinks, in as much as Thane is one of many players who doesn't seem to ever clear me, but he does view how I interact on thread as alignment indicative. The caveat here is that I don't know how mafia Thane reads me so can't use this to clear him either. When you and Hallia stated the repetitive read thing, I started wondering if that held so dropped him to null to check it out. AJ posted his stuff on Thane which made me feel better again. I checked out AG, SW, Pokemon and ME yesterday. In AG and Pokemon his early posts were entire game solve, read lists posts. He didn't post anything like that in SW, so I started wondering if game solve posts were his thing, but he didn't seem to post any in ME either. I have never seen Thane get irritated in that manner yesterday and dont know how to process that. One frustrating thing about him is that he doesn't fight his lynch when town, he views mislynches as necessary for information. I don't know if change is Thane finally breaking that orjust annoyance at branding mafia again. In short, I just don't know.

Re me, thanks for the paying attention thing, I was starting to think I was going bonkers. Also the swayability of my opinions depends on how strong that opinion is, with Thane my opinion is pretty much what the last person said and to an extent Rand as well, which is why he probably ended up subconsciously at the bottom of the list.

My most recent mafia games are in the BT, pokemon is probably as 'good' as I can get and was boosted by subbing in with opinions I'd formed as uninformed. Also cliche mafia, but I had to sub out due to RL, so not a great example. Last town game was April Fools. Darthe and Cindy both seem to have a decent grasp of my mafia 'meta' after Pokemon

Re not voting - stupidity mostly. I had an alarm set for 4.15 slept through it and woke a minute before deadline. I should have voted anyway, I wasn't sure on Rand, and was on Hallia :(

@AJ, Re Dice, because other than Hallia as mafia he had no new opinions from the last time he posted before EOD, I'd hoped for more.

 

 

not a fan of your explanation in bold BFG.

Why not?

 

 

seems like your backtracking imo

[Andrej]

 

 

This is jumping ahead a bit but if w/w Rand was more likely to shoot last night because he was more likely to get lynched today.

I wasn't here during night, remember I popped in thinking it was day 1, and it was day 2.

You just...

 

is this...

 

did this post just happen?

!!!!!!!!!!

 

A man of my own heart. Thank you Shad

[seph]

ok guys, I am working on a vc. Sorry me and darthe have been busy today!

[Shad_]

 

 

 

This is jumping ahead a bit but if w/w Rand was more likely to shoot last night because he was more likely to get lynched today.

I wasn't here during night, remember I popped in thinking it was day 1, and it was day 2.

You just...

 

is this...

 

did this post just happen?

!!!!!!!!!!

 

A man of my own heart. Thank you Shad

 

 

I think he doesn't know what w/w means.  I mean, the alternative is a slip that just does not happen.

[RandA lThor]

 

 

 

 

This is jumping ahead a bit but if w/w Rand was more likely to shoot last night because he was more likely to get lynched today.

I wasn't here during night, remember I popped in thinking it was day 1, and it was day 2.

You just...

 

is this...

 

did this post just happen?

!!!!!!!!!!

 

A man of my own heart. Thank you Shad

 

 

I think he doesn't know what w/w means.  I mean, the alternative is a slip that just does not happen.

 

I actually don't know what that means... it wasn't a term when I was around, Verbal or the other older-timers (I'm not really an old-timer, middle-timer?) can attest to that, I just assumed it meant wolf? wolf/wolf? 

[Shad_]

 

 

 

 

 

This is jumping ahead a bit but if w/w Rand was more likely to shoot last night because he was more likely to get lynched today.

I wasn't here during night, remember I popped in thinking it was day 1, and it was day 2.

You just...

 

is this...

 

did this post just happen?

!!!!!!!!!!

 

A man of my own heart. Thank you Shad

 

 

I think he doesn't know what w/w means.  I mean, the alternative is a slip that just does not happen.

 

I actually don't know what that means... it wasn't a term when I was around, Verbal or the other older-timers (I'm not really an old-timer, middle-timer?) can attest to that, I just assumed it meant wolf? wolf/wolf? 

 

 

It means wolf/wolf.  You basically just said that Laine ordered the scum kill and you holstered last night.  Not even holding this one against you because it's so ridiculous that it had to be an honest misunderstanding.  But I'm still lynching you or Laine.

[BFG]

 

 

pretty confident in saying that after playing in ME with Town!Verb and SW with Maf!Verb and seeing his post thus far he's prolly town imo.  Anyone have thoughts on this?

 

 

I actually agree with this, I think Verb is sounding a lot better in this game.

 

Zander can you show me why you think Rand is town, you seem to think he is town and yet now you are saying you could lynch him, you haven't expanded on your BFG/Me list at all, do you have any other scum leans?

 

I've explained my thoughts on you BFG and Rand already.  And Rand is the lowest of my town reads as I've also already stated,  This is where Im at atp.  fwiw ill be looking more into BFG and Alanna after what I went over early and what AJ and Shad mentioned as well.

 

also think we need more info to further most people's reads cause a lot of it only has 2 wolves and are reaching for a 3rd.  a lynch gives us much needed info to game solve that we didnt get last night with the No Lynch which Im not a fan of.

I dont understand you here. There are 3 mafia. You believe that Talya and I are mafia. Rand is/was the lowest of your 'towns' so presumably your best guess for the third (especially since you already said that a mafia flip on Rand wouldn't change your mind on Talya).

 

I guess in this post you say it could be Laine, but afaict the only reason you have Laine as a possible suspect is because she just suggested that you were saying Talya/Rand could be mafia/mafia. While that's not what you said in that post you must be thinking that?

[RandA lThor]

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is jumping ahead a bit but if w/w Rand was more likely to shoot last night because he was more likely to get lynched today.

I wasn't here during night, remember I popped in thinking it was day 1, and it was day 2.

You just...

 

is this...

 

did this post just happen?

!!!!!!!!!!

 

A man of my own heart. Thank you Shad

 

 

I think he doesn't know what w/w means.  I mean, the alternative is a slip that just does not happen.

 

I actually don't know what that means... it wasn't a term when I was around, Verbal or the other older-timers (I'm not really an old-timer, middle-timer?) can attest to that, I just assumed it meant wolf? wolf/wolf? 

 

 

It means wolf/wolf.  You basically just said that Laine ordered the scum kill and you holstered last night.  Not even holding this one against you because it's so ridiculous that it had to be an honest misunderstanding.  But I'm still lynching you or Laine.

 

Ohhh, kinda get it? Lol at the slip that just does not happen, I was actually known for accidentally letting slip I was scum in one game, by literally stating I was scum or something similar.  The best part is that I still won that game.  It was a long time ago, Basel's Executioner Game I think.

[RandA lThor]

Btw, working on my reads list, I'm still reading to whoever asked, I haven't forgotten.

[seph]

Official Vote Count 14:

 

Laine (2/6): Dice, Tayla,

Rand (3/6) Aj, Shad, Alanna,

Not voting

everyone else

 

I believe this is current LMK if anything is amiss

[Zander?]

 

 

 

pretty confident in saying that after playing in ME with Town!Verb and SW with Maf!Verb and seeing his post thus far he's prolly town imo.  Anyone have thoughts on this?

 

I actually agree with this, I think Verb is sounding a lot better in this game.

 

Zander can you show me why you think Rand is town, you seem to think he is town and yet now you are saying you could lynch him, you haven't expanded on your BFG/Me list at all, do you have any other scum leans?

 

I've explained my thoughts on you BFG and Rand already.  And Rand is the lowest of my town reads as I've also already stated,  This is where Im at atp.  fwiw ill be looking more into BFG and Alanna after what I went over early and what AJ and Shad mentioned as well.

 

also think we need more info to further most people's reads cause a lot of it only has 2 wolves and are reaching for a 3rd.  a lynch gives us much needed info to game solve that we didnt get last night with the No Lynch which Im not a fan of.

I dont understand you here. There are 3 mafia. You believe that Talya and I are mafia. Rand is/was the lowest of your 'towns' so presumably your best guess for the third (especially since you already said that a mafia flip on Rand wouldn't change your mind on Talya).

 

I guess in this post you say it could be Laine, but afaict the only reason you have Laine as a possible suspect is because she just suggested that you were saying Talya/Rand could be mafia/mafia. While that's not what you said in that post you must be thinking that?

 

 

Are you asking me I think Rand could be maf? or Talya and Rand or all 3 of you?  or Alanna?  sure. you talya and one of laine/rand.  I have alanna as a poss suspect becuase of her hint at a claim and others have shown stuff thats making me wonder.,  will wait on judging her till she answers my question.

 

im not really sure what your getting at her so let me know f i missed it.  cause assuming what I think may be confusing for a wolf to grasp. 

[Zander?]

 

Official Vote Count 14:

 

 

Laine (1/7): Dice, Tayla,

Rand (3/7) Aj, Shad, Alanna,

 

Not Voting (8/13):

everyone else

I believe this is current LMK if anything is amiss 

 

 you missed that on Alanna 1+1=2...sorry brother still love ya.....lololololololol

[seph]

Guess I should stick to shapes and colors...

[Zander?]

Guess I should stick to shapes and colors...

 

we could win at crayons together imo brother!!!!!

[seph]

I no im not supposed ta color outside the lines, but I do anyways cause I'm creative and stuff!

[Andrej]

Rand's responses to being legitimately called a wolf and voted for lynch are almost sociopathic.

 

Weird, man.

[RandA lThor]

Ok, so my boss at work just dropped another 10+ hours of work on me, so I'm going to get out what I have so far after finishing page 37.

 

 

 

Doing a reread..

 

This is AJ's response to Shads towning him. I have to agree with AJ here, AJ hadn't actually done that much. the only thing was saying about having this game slowly so he doesn't have to spend weekends catching up. Otherwise it was fluff.

 

 

 

Calling all Villagers:

I am one of you this time. I would love to continue this trend of DM wolf stomppages.

Let's make it happen again

Pretty tempted to believe that from what I've seen in 3 pages.

How come?

 

 

This is Shad's response, I don't mind about the question bit, that shad explains later, I can see it. But the bolded bit. AJ had just said he wanted it slower, and Shad is saying that that is something wolves like, (the only none fluff AJ had posted at that point), then Shad is saying AJ is towny? Missed it first time through, but it's contradictory.

 

 

 

 

 

Calling all Villagers:

I am one of you this time. I would love to continue this trend of DM wolf stomppages.

Let's make it happen again

Pretty tempted to believe that from what I've seen in 3 pages.

How come?

 

 

It's the slowest start of the three games I've been in, and most wolves don't mind that one bit.  You're already asking questions.

 

 

Not really fosing anyone here, but I gotta side with defending Shad here, but not with Shad if that makes sense.  D1, especially early D1, people often grab onto smaller things simply because its all that exists.  Look at what I was doing during d1, which people got mad at too.  I picked up small FoSes, even pointed out that they were small, but people kept getting mad that I was putting people on my scum list for something that was so small.  Introductory reads generally don't have huge reasons, excluding huge slip ups.  Its a way to get the game started.

 

 

i'm not at all surprised there. After all these games, you still haven't figured out how i play yet? good... 

 

Let me just try to figure out your teammates before i vote you, yes?

 

ughh.....reaction vote....DONT DO IT!!!

 

 

 

You can feel that way all you want Thane, but pardon, it doesn't make it so.

 

*waves at Laine* Heyooo! ^.^ Whatcha think of my catch up?

the bolded: don't like it... made me wince... 

 

 

this is your response to Hallia's question/pressure....ugggh!!!!

He sees that Thane has a tendency to do that for the first part.

 

I think the difference here is that Shad thinks he's posting about more topics in this game, whereas in my opinion he is already doing that very thing, with regards to continually mentioning only Verb/Pral until I called him out.

 

Hallia you seem pretty fixated on this comment.  you think he has a teammate there..or just a bad/pointless mention?

 

As I said, I have Yates and Dice as Null-to-Scummy as well.

 

Talya was in that group, but has gone upwards due to recent pages posting.

 

FYI- Yates not getting lunched today.  Talk to me more about Talya  somethings pinging me about her that i cant shake.  will iso her but want others thoughts.

i'm currently trying to re-read. It takes time at work. i've said so before. Ignore that, if you want.

 

[v]Hallia[/v]

 

you're grasping., tunneling... whatever... 

 

I'll be back in a few hours (!) when i have managed to reread while AT WORK

 

and then you did vote her....ugggh

 

Thane NOT LOOKING GOOD please redeem yourself immediately or you gonna be on the lunch menu!!!

 

Tbh, I don't see Thane being this obvious as mafia (like others have mentioned).  Its pretty ballsy for mafia to openly OMGUS the person that voted them, especially during D1 when there are so many other directions for a train to go.  I see this as Thane striking out as town.

[RandA lThor]

 

 

 

Damnit Hally.

I'm on page 22 catching up but you are quite obviously a wolf. Town points for anyone that knows how to read Hally telling me why - based on page 22 alone...

Le sad.

[v]Hally[/v]

Explain because I'm not seeing it?

 

 

 

 

Damnit Hally.

I'm on page 22 catching up but you are quite obviously a wolf. Town points for anyone that knows how to read Hally telling me why - based on page 22 alone...

Le sad.

[v]Hally[/v]

 

 

 

I'm not appealing to emotion, I think I'm keeping quite positive 

Hally? I love you. But I have a job to do in this game. And that job is to ferret out the three people I like that were unfortunate enough to draw the scum card this game. You, my sweet friend, are obviously one of those three. And we will laugh about this later during a rousing game of CAH after the game is finished but for now? You gots ta go.

 

 

Fill me in.

 

K, this is a little tinfoil, but imo at least one mafia/wolf would want to know why Yates had a scum read on someone if that person was town, because if valid enough, scum would have a reason to bw on the train all the way to lynch town, while having Yates lead it (who we also know is town), as a perfect excuse.  I also believe because of this that Yates wasn't killed by the mafia, because they would have wanted to keep him alive to put the blame on for killing Hally.  Anyways, this leads me to thinking one of Shad and Laine is mafia, and since I have a townread on Shad right now, and a maf read on Laine, I'm leaning towards Laine being mafia.

 

 

 

 

Wait a second....Yates are doing what I think your doing....

 
I had a thought about what Yates was doing, and I didn't like it, but it's one of those things I'll just have to sit on for a bit, see where it goes.

 

???

What do you think I'm doing??

 

 

Now is not the time to say.  Be town and it's irrelevant.

 

Honestly, reinforces my town read on Shad, don't see any reason why mafia would make statements like these.

 

 

 

Yates, you know that's not gonna fly - right?

 

Didn't like this post, even if it probably won't work, its worth a shot for autowin right? Why didn't you vote? Were you trying to stall until mafia could think of something to do? Biggest scum read.

 

Lol you're right Shad - debunked.

 

I'm not sure Yates was joking though

 

This supports my whole stalling theory, waiting for someone to debunk it.

 

No? I didn't vote because I didn't like the idea, plain and simple. It's not how the game is played. I didn't even make the connection that it wouldn't work until Shad dutifully reminded us of the wincon. 

 

Also, I've never played in a game where scum have limited night kills.  Is it optimal to lynch someone before EoD?

 

If the person about to get lynched claims town with a vig shot, do we hold off the hanging, reach a consensus on our second best option, and order them to shoot that person at night?  Assuming town isn't going to fake claim a vig it would help clear poe and potentially burn a scum shot.

 

I don't know that we're going to have two strong candidates in the next 12 hours anyway, but is D1 going to maybe get extended to compensate for all the server outages?

 

Not everyone is going to agree to that, ftr. But I get the idea - this post is a bit redeeming for you even if it does focus more on mechanics.

 

So first of all, I don't buy your argument on not how mafia is supposed to be played.  We're supposed to win the game.  If we found a clear way to win the game, we take it, and if Darthe wants, he can make an adjustment.  I think this was a pretty big slip on your point, and the main reason you're one of my scum reads.

 

But also agree with you on the second part, I was thinking the exact same thing Shad was thinking.

 

 

Okay I'll trust you.

 

What do you think on Rand? I think you posted how you were suspicious of his intro posts and I haven't seen him since.

 

A couple things from his catch-up, reading in reverse order:

 

* He says Laine is trying to turn Dice's joke vote against him and set him up as scum.

--This is pretty ridiculous.  Your response to the joke vote was "Dice how is that helping at all? Do you have actual points to make?" and Dice is the one who started tunneling you, not vice-versa.

 

* He doesn't like AJ for explaining his own scum game to people.

--But AJ never did this.  He just explained the atypical set-up of Middle Earth and its implications.  And he was right, by the way.  I ran into the exact problem AJ is describing when I tried to use Middle Earth to study him in Star Wars.

 

* He doesn't like AJ for doubting Darthe would go "derp, gg town" if everyone voted no lynch.  He asks "Why didn't you vote? Were you trying to stall until mafia could think of something to do? Biggest scum read."  Yet he likes me for researching the rules.  Aren't AJ and I doing pretty much the same thing here?  But I get town cred for it and he's scummy.

 

* He thinks Talya is "fence sitting" on page 9 because she doesn't have a strong read of Yates yet.  Has he ever played with Yates before?

 

* Rand scum reads Laine almost immediately, on the grounds that :???:  I guess he doesn't like that she's joking around with people who joke voted her?  I don't get it.  It's like he thinks the people who joke voted her are total strangers to her, and she's shady for returning the serve.  But if I joke voted a stranger, shouldn't I be the one who looks a bit suspicious?

 

 

 

Thanks for asking me to look into him again Laine!  Kind of reiterated what I was feeling last night and made it more glaringly obvious.

[v]Rand[/v]

Too wolf to be a wolf maybe, but it feels like he drew three town names out of a hat and just went to work trying to dig up whatever dirt he could on them with little regard for anyone else.  Still feeling Thane as scum, but that's more for what he hasn't done yet.  Rand's catch-up is pretty terrible.

 

These are some solid reasons, let me do my best to address them.

 

Not only that, but she "jokingly" brought up all the other joke votes on her, trying to exaggerate the voting into almost a train that would make people stop voting her and give an opening for maf partners to start questioning the people joining the train like Dice.  Then she can hop on and say, yeah they tried to lynch me in the disguise of joke votes.  That's how it sounded when I read it honestly, for the second time too.

 

 

[RandA lThor]

 

 

i think in a game with THIS MANY POSSIBLE KILLS i dont think No Lynch is the way to go at all.  We gotta narrow the PoE field and a lynch will help that imo.  We dont want random "Hero" shots killing innocents.  we need to gather all and whatever information we can before Nightfall so shots arent wasted.  Hopefully like i think Yates or AJ said people dont jump the gun (pun intended) on random killing.  Gotta make em count and we need solid info to do this!!!

 

Shad's idea wasn't bad if you look at it from the angle of No lynching = not lynching villagers to help out the wolves with limited NKs. I get what you're saying though and agree that without getting some concrete evidence down we would basically just be shooting in the dark and hoping for the best. Also really don't like having to rely on wolves for info because they can control/manipulate it to their benefit.

 

 

Good morning - I'm hungover.

 

Rereading from yesterday morning

 

I FEEL YOUR PAIN BROTHER!!!

 

let me know when your caught up.  We need to figure this out.

 

 

And of course I passed out, my bad. Thankfully the DL got extended

 

This is the post some people are using to make Thane look scummy? This is town Thane if anything.

 

As far as I remember, Thane is less defensive when scummy and when he is scum, he tries to forcefully pick small things when he voting others. He often looks forced and deliberately picky when he is scum. A defensive Thane is town and that is what I am seeing here.

 

On the top, I would believe Hallia would know Thane very well and her voting Thane this game looks to be exploiting a weak link. Not getting good vibes from her.

Same with Alanna. Here flip-flopping on Thane looks forced and trying hard to town-tell. 

 

AJ is town telling like crazy here. As I read through the game, I had similar thoughts as AJ.

 

Looks like Yates is town too. His gambit and analysing the responses is typical town Yates. I don't necessarily accept his reasoning though.

 

Have no idea how Shad, Zander and Talya play. Need to watch out more. 

 

Liking BFG  too. Here responses are straightforward but this post was kinda off. Looks like a subtle effort in trying to put the focus on Thane.

 

Verbal, Rand and Dice are null. Although  Dice and Rand posted, I don't see anything from their posts (Actually, to be honest, I skipped Rand's long WoT .. too much to read when you are reading 28 pages at a stretch !)

 

Gut feel, one or both of Hallia and Alanna are scum.

 

Generally a pretty well thought out post imo. Though, I am a little weirded out because I don't think you've ever town read me as town 

 

Should I be worried?

 

My vote would be on Hallia.

 

[v]Hallia[/v]

 

There have been some suggestions from Yates and Shad on no-voting today. I don't agree. Especially with town also being vigs, the game is going to be mostly blind if there are no flips. I am pretty sure if we no-lynch, neither town nor scum is going to kill anyone and it will be back to square-one tomorrow. 

 

That's a very real possibility and one that would suck.

 

 

Shad probably a wolf tho.

 

He is squirrely this game. I almost wrote a post last night asking "am I the only one that seems to be looking askance at my screen a little bit too much when Shad posts?" But decided to see how the evening conversation would play out without my observation. Then I thought about supporting him publicly in thread and taking a hero shot tonight. But I decided that might not be the best strategy in a vig game...

So Hally and Shad. Just need #3...

 

I know what you mean - I've had similar moments reading some of his posts from early on, particularly on the subject of me/BFG but his later stuff is more promising.

 

 

Shad/Hallia scum imo

Maybe both? Don't feel particularly good about either

WE ARE BACK, BABY!!!

 

 

Fwiw I'm reconsidering on Shad - Hallia still null/scummy for me.

 

 

 

 

 

There is no good resoning, they're just reinforcing my thoughts on them.

Not impressed by Prals catch up either.

If I'm lynched today that's ok, I hope it would cement my reads and give town good stuff to go off, as my reads are awesomeeeee

 

???    Try harder

 

Trust your gut, Lainey. She is probably the droid you are looking for.

Wait. Wrong game.

She is the scrub backup trying to steal your job by putting bengay in your jock.

 

My gut is awful a lot of the time, but I knew Hallia was mafia in Middle Earth even though EVERYONE told me I was wrong. I'm pretty sure I'm right here.

 

Like your reaction to Hallia in the top post.

 

Bold: <.<; ....no clue what you're talking about.

 

Taste my rainbow.

 

 

Shad was the one who debunked Yates theory...

 

Yes - and? iirc he didn't say anything else on the matter afterwards. THAT's the point I was making.

 

Page 16 and not going to get to the end before deadline.

Thus far I'm liking Hallia at a general level, she's commenting, forming reads from the major events although quiet.

Possible ping in that I think I remember from her reread today not liking Yates early (from earlier today) but when she initially read the thread Yates/AH were her town reads. I can't check this right now though and remember liking more from her posts than that is a negative, if that makes sense.

I dont see Talyas earlier ISOs from mafia, particularly the one on Thane.

Not particularly happy with either of these trains

 

I'm okay with this post as a whole.

 

ummmm Because I dont trust wolves LDO.

 

I can see why Talya is getting frustrated with you...

 

...that said I did laugh a little at this lol

 

Laine

Re Dice. I can sort of see what you mean, and need to read ME in context. In ISO Dice in ME sounds nothing like Dice in SW or here based on conviction and tone. It's not the action, although partly that, but the way he does it. He builds up to the vote in ME, in SW he votes straight away. This is different because he votes and reasons afterwards, but the tone/language is closer to SW than ME

Town pending more info imo

 

Pretty well said and generally I would agree even without taking a harder look at Dice's posts this game. This is sort of one of those 'how to read Dice' tips.

 

Shad talk me through Thane

You seemed to think he looked better than in SW. Then voted with a thank god iirc

 

I didn't like the reversal either. Still don't, in a way, but he did a fair job explaining himself later imo.

 

I get it and I need to read him in ME in context, but he's nowhere near my wtl list if not yet out of tinfoil territory.

I'd also like AJ/Yates opinion here they read him ~well

 

I'll need to look closer at him - I agree with Laine's point and can understand why she doesn't like the vote or how he's handling it, but... yeah I don't think that makes Dice scum more often than not. There was another part at some point that I don't remember where he makes a off-hand joke to Yates that I thought was pretty genuine sounding. I would have him tentative null/leaning town for now.

 

So sorry I didn't let ya'll know sooner though, that was my bad.

 

#worstmodever

 

 

Shad talk me through Thane

You seemed to think he looked better than in SW. Then voted with a thank god iirc

 

Ok, so early in SW, Thane comes in with a few key points.  Don't trust Darthe, Seph seems fishy, no excuses for low post counts.  100 pages later, this is still all he's got.  Prodded him for more, received nothing but repetition and excuses.  Flips scum.

Now in this game, he shows up with a few key points.  Give quiet players a chance.  Zander seems town.  I said early thoughts out of Thane was promising, and that town!Thane should become obvious over time.  Time has passed and it's not obvious.  A few of us were questioning him last night and he came up with:

 

is it wrong to say that people who haven't even played yet shouldn't be lynched? I don't think so. 

 

I'm wary of people who either fully townread me D1 or vote me D1.... people who townread me D1 have TMI, in my opinion. People who vote me go for an obvious easy mislynch D1. That's how i feel about it, anyways.

 

As for Zander, i get more of a town feeling than null on him. I honestly think that we'd notice in his gamestyle if he'd have randed wolf. And, in the case of him fooling me, i'll disown him.  

 

D1 is the hardest day of the entire game. I'm better at connecting dots after a flip than reading players on what is said D1. 

 

Zander as town, too early for me to make other reads.  Stagnation and excuses.  This feels really devoid of interest in figuring this game out.  Town read on Zander, woohoo.  So I ISO'd his D1 as town in American Gods.  I felt he was more proactive there.  OMGUS on Hallia was sort of icing on the cake, and while Laya made a noteworthy observation which held true in Star Wars--scum Thane is not defensive--that's not enough for me to excuse him.  If Thane is town, he can show me by taking an interest in solving things.

 

One thing I find curious is that in SW he was all about "don't trust low post counts", and this was when absent town!AH was scum's top mislynch priority.  (Granted his partners had relatively low post counts too.)  In this game he's saying to give players who haven't posted much yet a chance.  If Thane flips scum, heh, it will be something to think about at least.  Absent players at the time were Laya, Rand, and Verbal.  I'm not at all stoked about Rand's catch-up posts and I'm still null on Laya, who has defended Thane.  They are at least players to keep an eye on if Thane is scum.

 

Thanks for explaining. I really didn't like the flip flop of your read so that you could end up on Thane - but I can accept your reasoning here at least.

 

Bold: The difference in mindset could literally be as simple as a difference in alignment - food for thought.

 

I'm trying to find anything new. What I see is AJ/Yates determining Hally is scum with Shad because they both managed to jump on the Thane wagon together? Additionally Shad is playing weird according to a few people. What makes you so sure Thane is town that it would make Hally/Shad scum?  Also, I don't see a mafia play where two teammates are so obviously together on votes like that. (this is probably overly simplified)

 

Not my words. I am/was wary of both for their own individual reasons - that said I do think them both jumping on Thane wasn't a good look.

 

OK and these are the last two posts, and I have absolutely nothing solid here at all, but for some reason, my scum radar was going berserk when I read these posts.  I just put these here to see if anyone else has the same reaction, or can quantify/give reasons for what I'm feeling.

 

Anyways, biggest scum reads so far are Laine, AJ, and slightly Talya still.  Also, I'm going to examine my train a little later, but Verbal made a mention about my train being a pure town train.  I call pure BS, there's no way scum isn't going to join a train when they have an easy opportunity to lynch town "just so someone gets lynched that day".  But thats from my POV, even if you think I'm mafia, do you think not a single mafia is going to bus me?  Imo, mafia are, as usual, split on my train, so I'll go through later and look at that.

 

My town reads are also still pretty much the same, I'm hoping thats because I had it right eventually and not because I'm tunneling, but Shad, Thane, Dice, and Zander so far.  Tbh, BFG's null for me, don't get the town hype on her, but I'm still not done yet I guess, and Verbal I haven't seen a post on my read from yet, but its not looking great for him from what I've seen while I'm reading in the current posts.  I'd say very very slight scum read so far with the potential to grow.  Idk if his calling of my train seeming too easy was a scum jump off early, or just normal train analysis.