Belichick - Mafia Eternal Night

Andrej · July 6, 2015

Good morning - I'm hungover.

Rereading from yesterday morning

Zander? · July 6, 2015

2 hours to deadline, need to reread, probably won't be responding on thread for a while

No majority = no lynch so I guess that resolves one of my questions.

i think in a game with THIS MANY POSSIBLE KILLS i dont think No Lynch is the way to go at all. We gotta narrow the PoE field and a lynch will help that imo. We dont want random "Hero" shots killing innocents. we need to gather all and whatever information we can before Nightfall so shots arent wasted. Hopefully like i think Yates or AJ said people dont jump the gun (pun intended) on random killing. Gotta make em count and we need solid info to do this!!!

Zander? · July 6, 2015

@Zander time will tell

agreed!!!

Zander? · July 6, 2015

Good morning - I'm hungover.

Rereading from yesterday morning

I FEEL YOUR PAIN BROTHER!!!

let me know when your caught up. We need to figure this out.

BFG · July 6, 2015

? Last game your reads were good. Doesn't mean I'm not going to have my reads.

You still haven't explained my 'expect' question

i have no problems with you giving your reads BFG its the fact you said mine were wrong and that that was a problem then said that my reads are better. thats just plain weird imo. Your upset that Im thinking you may be a wolf. that can be deer caught in the headlights of my Town Car or frustrated Townie, Ill figure it out for sure soon enough.

Not sure what you mean by "expect" question can you please elaborate or show me??!!

Beyond that if you don't like my play it's up to you to explain it

im pretty sure I have been. just because you dont agree with or feel I havent dont mean that i havent. i dont back away from my reads and i go with what i feel unless you clear yourself to me,

I said you were wrong on ME and that I disagreed with your reads. I'm happy to admit yours may be better, time will tell.

You said that your read on me was tone. But you either said or agreed with AJ saying that I was more aggressive than you'd expect, off the top of my head I can't remember which.

What you expect is meta not tone. Hey you have no basis for that meta. It is meta AJ could have, although outdated. If it's a tone read then why say you agree with AJ about what he expects?

Shad_ · July 6, 2015

2 hours to deadline, need to reread, probably won't be responding on thread for a while

No majority = no lynch so I guess that resolves one of my questions.

i think in a game with THIS MANY POSSIBLE KILLS i dont think No Lynch is the way to go at all. We gotta narrow the PoE field and a lynch will help that imo. We dont want random "Hero" shots killing innocents. we need to gather all and whatever information we can before Nightfall so shots arent wasted. Hopefully like i think Yates or AJ said people dont jump the gun (pun intended) on random killing. Gotta make em count and we need solid info to do this!!!

Yeah, I'm banking on no hero shots N1 but that's probably putting way too much faith in town. I'm not dying tonight unless a town vigs me. I don't know how reserved scum will be with their shots but I imagine they'll at least hold on to two. If there are more than two NKs or they land on odd targets, we'll have a lot to sort out.

Pralaya · July 6, 2015

Great, back from the weekend and I managed to read the entire thread more or less.

Holy, lot of new players. And, I seem to have forgotten most people's meta as well. This is going to be tough.

Zander? · July 6, 2015

? Last game your reads were good. Doesn't mean I'm not going to have my reads.

You still haven't explained my 'expect' question

i have no problems with you giving your reads BFG its the fact you said mine were wrong and that that was a problem then said that my reads are better. thats just plain weird imo. Your upset that Im thinking you may be a wolf. that can be deer caught in the headlights of my Town Car or frustrated Townie, Ill figure it out for sure soon enough.

Not sure what you mean by "expect" question can you please elaborate or show me??!!

Beyond that if you don't like my play it's up to you to explain it

im pretty sure I have been. just because you dont agree with or feel I havent dont mean that i havent. i dont back away from my reads and i go with what i feel unless you clear yourself to me,

I said you were wrong on ME and that I disagreed with your reads. I'm happy to admit yours may be better, time will tell.

You said that your read on me was tone. But you either said or agreed with AJ saying that I was more aggressive than you'd expect, off the top of my head I can't remember which.

What you expect is meta not tone. Hey you have no basis for that meta. It is meta AJ could have, although outdated. If it's a tone read then why say you agree with AJ about what he expects?

i agreed with him that i thought your tone was aggressive this game. im not seeing what your getting at. the aggressiveness is purely based on this game. based on our interactions in the Band I dont peg you as aggressive fwiw.

Zander? · July 6, 2015

2 hours to deadline, need to reread, probably won't be responding on thread for a while

No majority = no lynch so I guess that resolves one of my questions.

i think in a game with THIS MANY POSSIBLE KILLS i dont think No Lynch is the way to go at all. We gotta narrow the PoE field and a lynch will help that imo. We dont want random "Hero" shots killing innocents. we need to gather all and whatever information we can before Nightfall so shots arent wasted. Hopefully like i think Yates or AJ said people dont jump the gun (pun intended) on random killing. Gotta make em count and we need solid info to do this!!!

Yeah, I'm banking on no hero shots N1 but that's probably putting way too much faith in town. I'm not dying tonight unless a town vigs me. I don't know how reserved scum will be with their shots but I imagine they'll at least hold on to two. If there are more than two NKs or they land on odd targets, we'll have a lot to sort out.

this ^^^^

BFG · July 6, 2015

? Last game your reads were good. Doesn't mean I'm not going to have my reads.

You still haven't explained my 'expect' question

i have no problems with you giving your reads BFG its the fact you said mine were wrong and that that was a problem then said that my reads are better. thats just plain weird imo. Your upset that Im thinking you may be a wolf. that can be deer caught in the headlights of my Town Car or frustrated Townie, Ill figure it out for sure soon enough.

Not sure what you mean by "expect" question can you please elaborate or show me??!!

Beyond that if you don't like my play it's up to you to explain it
im pretty sure I have been. just because you dont agree with or feel I havent dont mean that i havent. i dont back away from my reads and i go with what i feel unless you clear yourself to me,
I said you were wrong on ME and that I disagreed with your reads. I'm happy to admit yours may be better, time will tell.

You said that your read on me was tone. But you either said or agreed with AJ saying that I was more aggressive than you'd expect, off the top of my head I can't remember which.

What you expect is meta not tone. Hey you have no basis for that meta. It is meta AJ could have, although outdated. If it's a tone read then why say you agree with AJ about what he expects?

i agreed with him that i thought your tone was aggressive this game. im not seeing what your getting at. the aggressiveness is purely based on this game. based on our interactions in the Band I dont peg you as aggressive fwiw.

Fair enough, I'll get to the initial post and read with this in mind.

This isn't the Band, it's mafia :)

[insert Dorothy Kansas gif]

Zander? · July 6, 2015

? Last game your reads were good. Doesn't mean I'm not going to have my reads.

You still haven't explained my 'expect' question

i have no problems with you giving your reads BFG its the fact you said mine were wrong and that that was a problem then said that my reads are better. thats just plain weird imo. Your upset that Im thinking you may be a wolf. that can be deer caught in the headlights of my Town Car or frustrated Townie, Ill figure it out for sure soon enough.

Not sure what you mean by "expect" question can you please elaborate or show me??!!

Beyond that if you don't like my play it's up to you to explain it
im pretty sure I have been. just because you dont agree with or feel I havent dont mean that i havent. i dont back away from my reads and i go with what i feel unless you clear yourself to me,
I said you were wrong on ME and that I disagreed with your reads. I'm happy to admit yours may be better, time will tell.

You said that your read on me was tone. But you either said or agreed with AJ saying that I was more aggressive than you'd expect, off the top of my head I can't remember which.

What you expect is meta not tone. Hey you have no basis for that meta. It is meta AJ could have, although outdated. If it's a tone read then why say you agree with AJ about what he expects?

i agreed with him that i thought your tone was aggressive this game. im not seeing what your getting at. the aggressiveness is purely based on this game. based on our interactions in the Band I dont peg you as aggressive fwiw.

Fair enough, I'll get to the initial post and read with this in mind.

This isn't the Band, it's mafia :)

[insert Dorothy Kansas gif]

Im Zander wherever I am. so I go with what info I have available to me.

BFG · July 6, 2015

Great, back from the weekend and I managed to read the entire thread more or less.

Holy, lot of new players. And, I seem to have forgotten most people's meta as well. This is going to be tough.

Welcome back!

Zander? · July 6, 2015

Zander

Probably a good thing though.....

BFG · July 6, 2015

? Last game your reads were good. Doesn't mean I'm not going to have my reads.

You still haven't explained my 'expect' question

i have no problems with you giving your reads BFG its the fact you said mine were wrong and that that was a problem then said that my reads are better. thats just plain weird imo. Your upset that Im thinking you may be a wolf. that can be deer caught in the headlights of my Town Car or frustrated Townie, Ill figure it out for sure soon enough.

Not sure what you mean by "expect" question can you please elaborate or show me??!!

Beyond that if you don't like my play it's up to you to explain it
im pretty sure I have been. just because you dont agree with or feel I havent dont mean that i havent. i dont back away from my reads and i go with what i feel unless you clear yourself to me,
I said you were wrong on ME and that I disagreed with your reads. I'm happy to admit yours may be better, time will tell.

You said that your read on me was tone. But you either said or agreed with AJ saying that I was more aggressive than you'd expect, off the top of my head I can't remember which.

What you expect is meta not tone. Hey you have no basis for that meta. It is meta AJ could have, although outdated. If it's a tone read then why say you agree with AJ about what he expects?

i agreed with him that i thought your tone was aggressive this game. im not seeing what your getting at. the aggressiveness is purely based on this game. based on our interactions in the Band I dont peg you as aggressive fwiw.
Fair enough, I'll get to the initial post and read with this in mind.

This isn't the Band, it's mafia :)

[insert Dorothy Kansas gif]

Im Zander wherever I am. so I go with what info I have available to me.

I'm BFG and post how I feel. I tend to get more frustrated in small games and push more. I'll observe more in more active games, sort of the opposite of most other players /shrug

Pralaya · July 6, 2015

i find all the football talk quite distracting..... must be me, i guess.

I doubt we'll see either Verb or Pral this weekend (verb is never on and Pral doesn't do D1 i guess).

No real suspect from my part at the moment, but i'll try to check a bit more tomorrow.

*hands more booze around*

it's weekend after all

This is the post some people are using to make Thane look scummy? This is town Thane if anything.

As far as I remember, Thane is less defensive when scummy and when he is scum, he tries to forcefully pick small things when he voting others. He often looks forced and deliberately picky when he is scum. A defensive Thane is town and that is what I am seeing here.

On the top, I would believe Hallia would know Thane very well and her voting Thane this game looks to be exploiting a weak link. Not getting good vibes from her.

Same with Alanna. Here flip-flopping on Thane looks forced and trying hard to town-tell.

AJ is town telling like crazy here. As I read through the game, I had similar thoughts as AJ.

Looks like Yates is town too. His gambit and analysing the responses is typical town Yates. I don't necessarily accept his reasoning though.

Have no idea how Shad, Zander and Talya play. Need to watch out more.

Liking BFG too. Here responses are straightforward but this post was kinda off. Looks like a subtle effort in trying to put the focus on Thane.

Verbal, Rand and Dice are null. Although Dice and Rand posted, I don't see anything from their posts (Actually, to be honest, I skipped Rand's long WoT .. too much to read when you are reading 28 pages at a stretch !)

Gut feel, one or both of Hallia and Alanna are scum.

Zander? · July 6, 2015

Great, back from the weekend and I managed to read the entire thread more or less.

Holy, lot of new players. And, I seem to have forgotten most people's meta as well. This is going to be tough.

Hi old-new person!!!

Thoughts, your cutting it pretty close to DL!

Pralaya · July 6, 2015

Oh, and I seriously don't know what was being talked in the first 10 pages. Looked very 'murican !

Pralaya · July 6, 2015

My vote would be on Hallia.

[v]Hallia[/v]

There have been some suggestions from Yates and Shad on no-voting today. I don't agree. Especially with town also being vigs, the game is going to be mostly blind if there are no flips. I am pretty sure if we no-lynch, neither town nor scum is going to kill anyone and it will be back to square-one tomorrow.

Yates · July 6, 2015

Damnit Hally.

I'm on page 22 catching up but you are quite obviously a wolf. Town points for anyone that knows how to read Hally telling me why - based on page 22 alone...

Le sad.

[v]Hally[/v]

Yates · July 6, 2015

There have been some suggestions from Yates and Shad on no-voting today. I don't agree.

Sorry Pral, but neither do I. I just never moved my vote after the "Town Solve" post. I like your current vote, though.

Yates · July 6, 2015

[v]Hallia[/v]

you're grasping., tunneling... whatever...

Yep. You looked like a mislynch of least resistance. Miscalculation on her part, I think.

Zander? · July 6, 2015

meh i dont know if BFG is scum or frustrated towny,

going with my first bad impression

[v] Talya [/v]

Zander? · July 6, 2015

Im not really seeing Hallia as anything but Null atp. imma go back and look at pg 22.

Yates · July 6, 2015

Shad probably a wolf tho.

He is squirrely this game. I almost wrote a post last night asking "am I the only one that seems to be looking askance at my screen a little bit too much when Shad posts?" But decided to see how the evening conversation would play out without my observation. Then I thought about supporting him publicly in thread and taking a hero shot tonight. But I decided that might not be the best strategy in a vig game...

So Hally and Shad. Just need #3...

Yates · July 6, 2015

Im not really seeing Hallia as anything but Null atp. imma go back and look at pg 22.

Thane basically summarized my concern in the quoted post above.

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