House of Cards

[Yates]

Jackie Sharp once noted that Remy is a shameless flirt, to which Danton admits, adding, however, that he just flirts and doesn't care for one-night stands.

 

Danton and SanCorp industries provide hefty sums of money to various political campaigns that Frank Underwood promotes. In return, SanCorp expects Underwood's assistance in promoting legislation that benefits their natural gas company. When Frank attempts to undermine a project, Remy decides to "flirt" with backstabbing Underwood by offering to help move a cargo shipment of water supplies through South sudanese customs in exchange for help in killing a bill that he was sponsoring.

 

Backstabbing Frank Underwood ususally doesn't end well for anyone, even Remy Danton.

 

“It don’t do no good calling the man out like that. It’s like blaming the snake for having fangs.”

 

cory caboose has been ostracized. He was Remy Danton.

 

 

 

 

Day Ends 9 AM Friday EST:

[Cory Caboose]

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good luck friends

 

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[Andrej]

[v]Cass[/v]

[Nynaeve]

[v]Clov[/v]

[Kaylee]

[v]Clov[/v]

[Nynaeve]

I'm going through Verbal's content. More so his early content and not all the spew he was laying out once it was apparent he was gonna get lynched. I'm not done yet but I'm gonna note that most of his initial content was going hard on Wombat (pun intended). And then he worked up the whole Sooh/Cass connection and while Wombat's train was building D2 he sat on Cass the entire time. Do you really think he would be trying to push a lynch on Cass if she was a teammate? It seems pretty apparent to me that he was trying to set her up.

 

He was prodding Cass here and there. The difference in how he handled her, compared to how he handled Wombat, is that he was actively trying to sway people to vote her which is why I think it's unlikely that they're w/w.

[Cass]

Working on Verb associations with others living players right now, but most likely voting AJ/Clov today.

 

Don't particularly like Clov's push at Kaylee yesterday, but feel like Verbal's addition there was wolfy and potentially meant to set him up. Need to go back and ISO both Clov and Kaylee since I haven't really looked at either of them much. Didn't like Clov's response to me D1, but still have a worse gut feeling about AJ based on D1/D2 and interactions I'm reading with Verb. Still need to look at Clov's vote on Sooh and see how it compares with AJ's progression.

 

This is where I'm at:

 

Dice

 

Bewbs

 

Kaylee/Tress

 

Clov

AJ

[Kaylee]

Clov voted me when he could've voted Verb and cased me. Felt to me like he was avoiding the lynch.

[Cass]

I'm going through Verbal's content. More so his early content and not all the spew he was laying out once it was apparent he was gonna get lynched. I'm not done yet but I'm gonna note that most of his initial content was going hard on Wombat (pun intended). And then he worked up the whole Sooh/Cass connection and while Wombat's train was building D2 he sat on Cass the entire time. Do you really think he would be trying to push a lynch on Cass if she was a teammate? It seems pretty apparent to me that he was trying to set her up.

 

He was prodding Cass here and there. The difference in how he handled her, compared to how he handled Wombat, is that he was actively trying to sway people to vote her which is why I think it's unlikely that they're w/w.

 

 

To me it's obvious that he moved off to vote Wombat after he was copping heat for his reasoning/it was apparent that nobody was following him on the 'can't' be v/v thing and Wombat was the obvious lynch.

He also starts interacting with AJ right before he votes Wombat, when AJ's under fire for the VT claim and early the early Town read on him, but it doesn't seem serious, more like distancing between the two?

 

I've also noticed he only mentioned Kaylee and I as potential suspects in the 'serious' stuff he posted amongst the lolcatting. This bothers me because I can't figure out if he was actually going for TWTBAW and hoping to set things up if he got off, or just throwing out random crap the entire time.

[Cass]

Clov voted me when he could've voted Verb and cased me. Felt to me like he was avoiding the lynch.

 

This is my gut feel on Clov.

 

I'm just iffy about Verb's involvement there, since it was in his lolcatting stage.

[Nynaeve]

ISO of Verbal

 

Posts that involve Cass:

- Nudging her on why she thinks Darthe is wolfy.

- FoSing her for misrepping Cory.

- Unfolding his theory that Sooh and Cass couldn't be w/w or v/v, and there by tying their fate. ie whichever of the two ended up getting lynched D1, he was going to push the other on D2, thereby ensuring two mislynches in a row.

- More back and forth with Cass. Asks her for her top 3 scum reads off the hip.

- Votes Sooh, saying he hasn't seen anything from Wombat or Cass (who are the other two in his WTL) that looks scummier than Sooh. Says the vote on Sooh is mostly due to his emotional scarring from JN  (*cough* BS *cough*).... and personally?  I don't think Verbal put BOTH his scummmates in his D1 WTL. Because he'd run out of excuses pretty soon. No, his other scummate is either in his nulls or townie reads. Nyn guaranteed.

- At the beginning of D2 votes Cass, saying that like he said, in his mind, if Sooh flipped town that means Cass is scum.

 

 

Posts involving Clov:

- On day one: The first time he addresses Clov in the game is to ask his opinion about something Cory said ("I will never be lynched this game"). ie if it's something he'd say more as wolf or town.

- Offers a read list (from townies to scummiest): Dice, Cory, bewbs, AJ, Clov, Kaylee, Cass. I find the placement of Clov awkward. Why is he there? Up until now Verbal has had ZERO interaction with him, except that one time where he asked his opinion about Cory. That really sticks out to me.

 

 

Posts involving AJ:

- On day two the first time he addresses him. Says hi AJ. 

- Says he has had him as town but the switch of his read on him (from picking verb as seer cover to throwing him in his scum pile)  just as he was starting to get heat makes him have doubts about him. This could be either distancing or him trying to take advantage of me leaning on AJ for this read switch. Says that if he's misclearing someone, he thinks it's him I'm actually feeling like it's the second option. I think Verbal is looking for a townie to push.

- Further prodding of AJ, saying that he could be a wolf and that he switched on him and claimed VT to explain why he'll be alive another day and also to drive a (mis)lynch on verb tomorrow. Again, imo, this is more likely Verb trying to push a townie than distance from a teammate.

- Answers AJ's question of whether he thinks Wombat might flip scum here.

- Answers AJ's question of what people think of Wombat's interactions with Cory (I will add that during all of this, that's when Clov is prodding Kaylee).

- Throws a comment on how people who've been properly reading him as town are now changing their tune and how interesting that is. Again trying to soft FoS AJ, imo.

- Offers a read list (from townies to scummiest): Dice, Cory, bewbs, AJ, Clov, Kaylee, Cass. I find this a tad odd cause he was prodding AJ a ton but in the end has three people scummier than him. But then again this read list was provided after it was obvious he was getting lynched. 

 

 

 

 

I'm not going through the rest of the content from this point onward cause he already knew at this point that he was a goner. That's also why I'm not gonna give much importance to that read list he gave due to the timing of it (ie pure wifom). Sadly he didn't give a read list prior to that... as I think an earlier list would prolly be something I could maybe get something out of. This was provided for spew, imo. 

 

[Nynaeve]

TLDR.... Verbal has basically ignored Clov the whole game bar to ask his opinion about Cory. I don't like that AT ALL.

[Nynaeve]

With AJ... after he dropped his seer cover on him... I feel like he was seizing an opportunity. Wombat was being pushed and the Cass theory wasn't working.... AJ was getting heat from me and he was VERY possibly trying to push that angle.

 

Could it be something he and AJ cooked up? Maybe. But that would mean getting AJ to take heat to save Wombat and that doesn't make any sort of sense.

[Nynaeve]

Oh looks like I missed one post where Verbal was talking a bit about Clov, while responding to Lee's read list: 

 

I'm not going to argue your Dice* read obviously, but I'd like to talk about the Clov read.  I'm feeling much better about him just based on how he "went at" Cory a little.  I did the same, and I felt a slight mindmeld with him on it.  As a villager, I don't usually find myself mindmelding with wolves.  Prob not the best reason to have a good feeling on somebody, but so be it.

 

ah huh lol

[Nynaeve]

Still doesn't change much in my eyes. Verbal regarded Clov like once and gave him credit for "going at Cory". Otherwise he ignored him completely. If Clov was town I think Verbal would have taken more care in handling him. Clov as town is a force to reckon with. I don't feel like this was Verbal buddying him. Feels more like him trying to influence Lee's reads in behalf of Clov.

 

Clov on his end gave Verbal an early town read (around page 5 in the game) and used him as his seer cover. So basically he didn't have to address anything Verbal said or did up until the seer died. He didn't need to explain at any point why he had a town read on him for that matter. And he could easily defend him without it seeming odd. Plus if Verbal got caught early on... it could work as a good excuse on why he wasn't NKed up until then. ie him picking a scummy for a seer cover. I could totally see Clov doing this as scum.

[Nynaeve]

Like I said before, Sooh, Cass and dice are the players scum were looking to mislynch, or at least that's my impression. Sooh's mislynch was a success. I think they were gonna push dice next but lucked out due to him being peeked town (props to Lee). So Cass was the next obvious choice.

 

I am not voting Cass today. Look through Verbal and Wombat's content. That's not distancing, IMO.

[Kaylee]

Great points there Nyn. You're breakdown of Verbal's interactions with the three makes me feel better about AJ. Put that with the way Clov was pushing me yesterday and not voting Verb just makes him look that much more like a wolf.

[Nynaeve]

I copy pasted Tress' ISO on Wombat, since he has a ton of content. I just left out his Clov mentions. Also bolded stuff that stuck out to me.

 

 

- Soft defends Clov against Hally.   

- Says Clov seems to be "standard reasonable Clov"

- Calls Clov's push on Cory pg 18 "inane" 

- Asks AJ to explain his statement that how Cory has handled Verb and Clov seems wolfy

- Characterizes Clov's push against Cass as "inane"

- Suggests Cory/Verb and Cory/Clov interaction as slight OMGUS, says he would expect Town Cory to go harder after the people pushing him but hedges on whether or not it's alignment indicative

- Helps clarify Clov's five names he would not fight the lynch as being "in his POE"

- Thinks 1 of Darthe/Verb/Cory/Clov/Wombat/AJ is mafia

- Responds to Sooh's reads list with Cory/Clov/Darthe as having maybe 1 mafia, Dice/Cass having 1 or 2 stating the "wolf trifecta" doesn't look too good to him

- Asks Leelou what's with her scum reads on Wombat and Clov

- Says he barely remembers Clov's pushes (Funny considering he pointed out two of his pushes his inane)

- Posts reads list:  Wombat/Kaylee as blue, Bewbs/Darthe dark green, Cory light green, Lee/Clov/Verb null, Cass/AJ yellow, Dice/Tress/Sooh orange.

- Doesn't understand why Leelou is jumping all over Clov re: his read on Dice, says he feels similarly about Dice and has him as a mild scum read.

- After start of D2 posts "not lynching" list with Wombat, Kaylee, Clov, Tress in blue, and Bewbs in green, says everyone else needs to step it up

- Says he still doesn't get Leelou's reads and asks if she's scum, says Kaylee is 100% wrong calling Wombat/Clov w/w

- Responds to AJ's potential mafia list of Wombat/Cory/Clov/Cass by saying he's batting .500 max, more likely .250

- Asks how anyone has Clov as scum

- Explains to Clov his dislike of Verb and AJ's votes on Sooh

- Explains further to Clov why he felt AJ's vote on Sooh could have been a bus vote

- Responds to Verb's Wombat/Clov thoughts with "Bleh. Not helping."

- Denies trying to push Kaylee with his explanation of SHC, reiterates he has her as town and thought Clov's push was silly

- States Cory is trying to imply he has a scum peek on Wombat, and states this has outed him as not the cop on the same day as AJ outed himself as not being the cop - says this was a ploy cooked up by AJ and Cory on their QT in the event that Darthe did not flip cop in order to try to out the real cop.  States that the fact that Cory is trying to lynch him implies that both of his peeks are correct and Kaylee and Clov are town.

 

 

 

TLDR, Wombat town reads Clov the entire time. Keeps nudging people to explain how they could possibly have him as anything but town. Keeps defending him. At the same time he keeps calling his pushes inane and silly. Could be buddying but could also be a scummate playing it very smart. I know distancing is the new rage lately, but you can easily be this blunt about defending a teammate to make people believe that you wouldn't be this obvious about it. If anyone could pull that off, that would be Wombat.

 

So basically....

Wombat - Null read on Verbal, Town read on Clov.

Verbal - Scum read on Wombat, town read on Clov.

Clov - Scum read on Wombat, town read on Verbal.

 

 

 

BOOM. Game over.

[Nynaeve]

Great points there Nyn. You're breakdown of Verbal's interactions with the three makes me feel better about AJ. Put that with the way Clov was pushing me yesterday and not voting Verb just makes him look that much more like a wolf.

 

That and he was also weird with me at the beginning when he was going on about me not giving him town vibes yet. Halli has been suspicious of him since.  Wombat also opened with me giving bad vibes. I think they might have tried to see if that could go anywhere. It didn't. And they both very soon after were loving on me since.

[Nynaeve]

Though there was that subtle nudge of asking Halli and I why we voted Wombat. Heh.

[Nynaeve]

dice and Tress, when you get around to it, your input would be appreciated. 

[Andrej]

I'm home from my morning shift and will be around for a few hours.

 

Hi Nyn.

[Nynaeve]

 

I'm going through Verbal's content. More so his early content and not all the spew he was laying out once it was apparent he was gonna get lynched. I'm not done yet but I'm gonna note that most of his initial content was going hard on Wombat (pun intended). And then he worked up the whole Sooh/Cass connection and while Wombat's train was building D2 he sat on Cass the entire time. Do you really think he would be trying to push a lynch on Cass if she was a teammate? It seems pretty apparent to me that he was trying to set her up.

 

He was prodding Cass here and there. The difference in how he handled her, compared to how he handled Wombat, is that he was actively trying to sway people to vote her which is why I think it's unlikely that they're w/w.

 

 

To me it's obvious that he moved off to vote Wombat after he was copping heat for his reasoning/it was apparent that nobody was following him on the 'can't' be v/v thing and Wombat was the obvious lynch.

He also starts interacting with AJ right before he votes Wombat, when AJ's under fire for the VT claim and early the early Town read on him, but it doesn't seem serious, more like distancing between the two?

 

I've also noticed he only mentioned Kaylee and I as potential suspects in the 'serious' stuff he posted amongst the lolcatting. This bothers me because I can't figure out if he was actually going for TWTBAW and hoping to set things up if he got off, or just throwing out random crap the entire time.

 

 

You should ignore all of his lolcatting and consequent content. What Verbal was doing was sowing WIFOM and leaving spew cause he knew he was a goner. That's why I'm not even trying to analyze the read list he dished out once his ass was on the line. His earlier posts though are a different matter because quite a few people were town reading him so he'd be more comfortable pushing his own agenda....  and I think you can get a better idea of what he was shooting for by looking at that part of his content. 

 

You are correct that his first interactions with AJ was only on D2. The way he used my prodding of AJ to FoS him and the timing of it... ie when he was losing a team member and getting some heat makes me believe it's not distancing. I would typically expect him to approach distancing like he did with Wombat. ie start it off early on. What he did with AJ was, imo, just him trying to take the attention elsewhere (and away from him). I just don't see him doing that with AJ if they're w/w because assuming it worked.... he'd be putting his team member in danger to save his own ass. I don't think he already knew at that time that he'll most likely be the lynch the next day. Yeah, I was pressuring him and such but eh... I don't know... I think he'd attempt making some town pushes before just giving up and distancing.

[Nynaeve]

I'm home from my morning shift and will be around for a few hours.

 

Hi Nyn.

 

 

yo

[Nynaeve]

I don't have much of anything to ask you, really. I think I pretty much covered my concerns  over your content and your replies weren't terrible. Looking at you again with the context of Wombat and Verbal's flips and posts, I feel better about you and I think Clov is a lot more likely to be scum, since my ongoing conflict was between you and Clov. I also trust Cory's read of you, as well as Tress'. I think you're wrong about Cass, personally.

 

But.... we have plenty of time... if you'd like to talk to me about why you think Cass is more likely to be scum than Clov, I'm willing to listen. Though I'd prefer it if you also addressed it in relation to Wombat and Verbal's content. ie show me how the three being scummates fits together.