House of Cards

Cass · May 28, 2015

Wolfy:

Darthe - forceful on early Seer cover, ?explanation in post #54, both defending/distancing from Nyn, 'pre-vote' /overly hard push on Sooh

Why is any of the bold wolfy? Ignore the part about Nyn for purposes of your response, please. Just comment on the Seer cover and the push on Sooh. What of that was wolfy?

I've explained the Darthe and Seer cover thing in response to Clov here (See the last two paragraphs of the intro and the final spoiler if you missed it).

Basically it's not the Seer cover itself I find wolfy, it's the way Darthe made posting it early such a big thing and simultaneously admitted/downplayed the potential for incorrect early cover to be more beneficial to Scum trying to find the real Seer. Basically the concern is a potential role-fishing push to encourage a higher percentage of incorrect cover.

The Darthe on Sooh push felt wolfy because:

1. Darthe was the first to vote and the vote felt overly eager - He voted in the 'stumping' phase, where votes didn't count, and when questioned brushed it off as 'pre-vote' for the day, which didn't feel sincere;

Day 1 Starts at 9PM EST and will last 48 hours:

You may now begin stumping. Day does not start until 9:00PM EST. Votes will not count during the stump period. This is a good time to make alliances and grease palms...

/snip

/snip

[v] Sooh [/v]

Pre-voting for day Leelou

2. I disagreed with the generalisations that went with the vote and there was otherwise no specific reasons given or effort at interaction made:

/Snip

However, I think Sooh is definitely wolfing this round. She is usually a pretty pure townie. [v] Sooh [/v]

Sooh has been repeatedly pushed as not Townie early on in all the games I've played recently with her, so I completely disagree with the rationalisation that she's 'usually a pretty pure townie'.

This was all the involvement Sooh had in the game up until that vote, none of it seems investigative on Darthe's behalf, and none of it feels decidedly off for Sooh's early game, enough to vote, to me:

Hi everyone!

I will be scarce Thursday because I have an exam, and Friday because I'm overseeing someone else's exam. Other than that I should be fine

Happy visits to Vegas, Leelou! Sounds fun!

Lol I already love this game.

I'm a little sad Cory isn't showering me with love, but I guess I'll deal with it...

Weee!!!! Happy now!

I'm still gonna lunch you though

Ok.. warning accepted, Cory.

I'm a little sad Cory isn't showering me with love, but I guess I'll deal with it...

Prob a slightly wolfy intro

AJ I have read your soul and found it needs more content

Wombat, Cass, Dice scumteam.

Soulread?

Or is it just the Aussie theme?

**snip**

I'm pretty okay at mafia sometimes, Sooh, but I don't think I can soulread people who haven't posted.

Yeah... I suppose even you can't... Oh well...

Cass · May 28, 2015

I've reread Cass because the slot is aggravating me to figure out and I remain aggravated. She is usually a cleaner poster than this as either alignment so it's tough to say that because she isn't posting in as concise or helpful a manner (not to mention somehow different tone?) that she is wolfy for it. She isn't bubbly either. Similarly there are things that I disagree with like her early reads list and her constant reiteration of her read on me which I still don't understand, but I don't think those warrant pushing her and I even am contemplating that Cass going this against the grain might be indicative of her being town. She occasionally says little things that seem townie so it's a toss up.

Basically what I'm trying to say is Cass, stop being difficult plz. If you're town you're going down the path to lose a thunderdome to me pretty soon and if you're a wolf save us all some time and concede.

Barring some significant change I don't want to lynch you today compared to Sooh.

Darthe, I don't think I've ever managed to 'stop being difficult' as Town. My priority here is to communicate my thoughts and where I'm at - provide as many gut reads as I can adequately explain early on and to try and be clear about where I'm coming from when questioned, regardless of whether I turn out to be right or wrong. I've never managed to do this in a 'clean, concise or helpful' manner as Town - not even in my very first game (coincidentally the only one I survived) and definitely not in Arthurian/Cliche, which we also played together (and where you did steamroll me, remember?). You asking me to change immediately is essentially redundant and I find it weird that you have an expectation I'd be doing this any differently to the way I have been so far.

Nyn just made an incredibly townie observation. I too have mentored Cass and her anxiety as a wolf really doesn't match her performance here. Tbh nyn basically parrots my internal process on Cass thus far and...

Yeah, I loved that post.

I also feel like you should have already known this by now.

I still don't like your push for earlier Seer cover, your vote on Sooh or your initial reaction to my reads and your reasoning wrt me seems weird. You're still potential scum to me. FWIW though, these posts don't actually feel like a wolfy push. I'm happy to discuss them further if it's still bothering you enough to do so, but for now I'm going to take it at face value, note it down and see if the things that bother me are/aren't as relevant to me in the context of your read later.

dicetosser1 · May 28, 2015

As of right now I lean as follows:

Town:

Wombat - Good insight.

Kaylee - Good line of questioning. Observant.

Clov - Soulread mainly. May be way off.

AJ - I like his posts so far, though calling you town makes me scared after the last game when you had me completely duped.

Light town:

Cory - I do like most of your play. Your secret note to AJ pinged me though. Yes, I read it.

Tress - Just a hair above null at the moment.

Cass - I like her reasoning.

Null:

Verb

Leelou

Bewbs

Light scum:

Dice - based on low content and bad vote. My feelings here may be affected by OMGUS. Can't promise to keep this read.

Darthe - call it a soul read if you'd like. I still don't like the feeling of open seer hunt you gave me.

So much for trying to make a stance early...

Anyone around to play with me?

Dont like this because of the reason sooh gave for finding me scummy. I said in the sign ups that im away visiting my mum so net time is severely restricted. i also said it earlier in the game thread that i was away

im only up to page 24 and its time to go to where im staying. I go home tomorrow arvo so will be able to dig in then.

Cass · May 28, 2015

Pulled some quotes as I was catching up just now, will get them sorted and responded to in time.

Sooh/Cass wagons aren't bad atm, I think.

As much as I hate being mislynched D1 and want to stay in the game, I actually agree with this at this point. I think either of our flips would be potentially good for info.

Going back to here-ish and will try to address the stuff 'against' me before I get called to dinner.

What sort of info do you think would come from either lynch?

The game has progressed since here, but at the time I wasn't reading Sooh particularly scummy, so the early push on her for cracking jokes etc seemed off/similar to recent games where she's been pushed early as scum for similar reasons. She reads scummier to me now so obviously if she flips wolf these thoughts don't count, but in the event she flips Town, I think at least one wolf could be found in Darthe/Nyn/yourself for pushing what I perceived as a little thing so early.

Similarly if I flip, based on these early reactions I think a wolf will probably be amongst Darthe/Cory/you and/or maybe Clov/Bewbs.

-snip-

AJ

- Votes early

- Simultaneously suggests that my post was 'strikingly similar' to game we wolfed together and calls it strange that I have scum reads on ~accepted greens because I'm not usually 'against the grain'.

[v]Cass[/v]

Pulled some quotes as I was catching up just now, will get them sorted and responded to in time.

Sooh/Cass wagons aren't bad atm, I think.

Having just wolfed with Cass I think that post reads strikingly similar to what I read from her last game. She doesn't really come across to me as an against the grain type so her having 4 scum reads in more or less ~accepted greens is strange.

-snizzip-

- Suggests my wolf posts are 'long, villagery' and 'with no real content'. Here I agree with the second part and strongly disagree with the first. I haven't posted 'long, villagery' WoTs for the past few games - and in all of those I've been scum. No real content as scum I'll give him. Either way I don't see how either of those are particularly relevant here/to that point.

-snip-

TLDR:

Comments/pushes by Darthe, AJ and Cory seem worse than those by Clov and Hally.

If you look back I believe I said that I thought you weren't an against the grain type, I wasn't making that statement definitively. And yes, I do think your post looked strikingly similar to some that I saw you make in our last game. The bit I bolded in the lower section that you were addressing Cory in highlights my point. I saw your post that read very snipped and short without a lot of fleshed out thoughts that were readily apparent. So yes, my initial impression wasn't a good one. I appreciate you going more in depth to discuss your ideas, even if I disagree on some of your reads. I feel more comfortable with you for that because I don't think you would've gone to that extent to clarify as a wolf after our last game.

I find the bold in your response above fair enough. On the one hand though I have you immediately FOSing me for that post looking 'very snipped and short' and on the other Cory immediately highlighting that my wolf posts are 'long and villagery' with 'no real content'. Your opinions are what they are but essentially what it says is that the length of my posts is irrelevant to my alignment and that both of you were/are pushing me for it one way or another.

The thing that stood out to me with the 'against the grain' comment was that it seemed contradictory to have it immediately after the last sentence, in a post where you're voting me. On the one hand I'm looking like scum to you, and on the other I'm not looking like you'd expect me to as scum but still you vote.

"Having just wolfed with Cass I think that post reads strikingly similar to what I read from her last game" reads as 'Cass seems the same here as when she was just Scum' (fair enough).

"She doesn't really come across to me as an against the grain type so her having 4 scum reads in more or less ~accepted greens is strange" follows on (to me) as 'She's going against the grain and that is strange compared to what I typically think of her (presumably as Scum)'.

Not specifically finding you scummy here.

Cass · May 28, 2015

Yeah guys think about this logically!

I tried to stir the pot D1 you shouldn't be looking at me!

Maybe I'm the seer, who knows?

These are almost verbatum from her post.

We can go ahead and may Sooh now. It won't actually do anything but you'll all get warm fuzzies from it.

By all means, go ahead. My only plan today was to give my team something to work with for later. That's all.

I intend to. You recognize that you're doing the opposite of what you should be doing as town, right?

Then enlighten me... I thought the purpose was to find tells as to who are wolves and not in this game. I've not been very successful in the past, so I'm trying out something new. I am Town in this game, but I do understand your push on me. At this point I feel you pushing me almost makes you the clearest Town around. Like I tried saying in my post, I'm more wary now of the people who DON'T have me as wolf...

If you notice I still haven't placed my vote. I don't have anywhere clear enough to put it yet. If I was wolf, would I care? Or would I just place my vote somewhere and see if it would stick?

It's the 'I'm trying something new' that seems the most likely deliberately wolfy to me here/with recent Sooh in general. I still don't see what the 'something new' is that you're trying - and I didn't actually see you acting overly strange/stirring things up/defending that as what you were specifically doing early on. If this was an honest defence I would expect you to have been open about it earlier and to have defended specific examples in line with this thought process as they were questioned. The rest of it feels ick whether it's deliberate or not. I've been in this space as both Scum and Town myself so it seems plausible to me both ways right now, I'm torn.

Cass · May 28, 2015

Nice xpost as I say I would cop you

Don't get in my way if I demand a lynch today and I won't care much what you think of me or say about me

Deal?

Yeah, I'm good with that. Working with you early will help me read you better in the long run I think.

Just know my suspicion is soft right now but I felt like it needed to be aired.

I don't personally like the idea of anyone 'demanding' a lynch, but I feel like this (the bold) about both of you right now. And also probably Darthe, Nyn, Clov and Wombat. Suspicious/wary, yes. Willing to lynch early because of it? No.

Cass · May 28, 2015

Cass, 396 is way too many words for a null read. Why so verbose?

Because:

- I was being asked for clarification;

- my understanding of Kaylee changed with a re-read shifting her from more scummy to that more-likely null; and

- I like to be clear about explaining my gut reactions/thought processes at every stage so people can see where I'm at.

Cass · May 28, 2015

Got interrupted by dinner after all...

Here's a breakdown of players posting against me thus far:

Darthe

- Push started after I mentioned being more suspicious of him than anyone else thus far and voiced disagreement with his driving early Seer cover even though it's more likely to be inaccurate/more helpful to the wolves;

- Calls my list awful, plants seed that I'm deliberately being TWTBAW - does not question anything he finds suspicious;

- Hinges on the fact that my early leans are different to his and that I haven't provided a 'compensatory' number of town reads/that he can't understand me starting with a base of 'reading more-likely scum', when he knows after discussions in our mentor chat that that is exactly how I work;

- Has a point about my leans positionally and the odds that at least two of them are wrong;

- Calls my notes 'poor reasoning' and 'flimsy' but doesn't question/discuss anything specific.

This is an awful wolf list.

Cass are you attempting to incorperate TWTBAW by chance? If so just use our codeword. It's Clovian Dongonomics if you forgot.

'Awful' because it has you at the top so early on, perchance? You sir, are on my watch list. If it's genuinely awful to you and you are Town, discuss with me why, or just bite me - you pointing out that it's awful without further discussion is still scummy, especially since you're one who has specifically told me it's ok to be 'wrong' sometimes

I do bite, you know?

But truly you used poor reasoning to put four of my town reads into a wolf pile and didn't provide a compensatory number of town reads. Unless you start reading everyone as scum and work your way up (no clue why you would do that) there isn't any reason to have everyone positionally where they are since you know you have to be wrong about at least two of them. Also, I thought the reasons didn't just look flimsy, they looked like you were trying to find a reason to fit those people into those reads.

I could have sworn there was a particular island/country/continent that was awake at just this time.

Australia is FROZEN

Not really relevant, but AustraliaDice is visiting family and AustraliaCass was doing daycare runs/looking after hers. For whatever reason, Darthe WIM against Australia.

Clov

- Votes early

- Doesn't understand my reads, but gives specific reasons why and asks specific questions for more info

[v]Cass[/v]

I don't understand most of those reads at all. I don't see how you can say Darthe has been defending Nyn at all, and I'm not sure you can make a fair case of "distancing" when he's actively trying to get pressure on the slot. Pushing him for seer cover makes no sense to me.

Where has Kaylee been pushy at all? Observant questioning, sure, but I don't see how you can argue that's anti-town.

Hally

Says she doesn't like my reads, wrt to Kaylee. Fair enough, at this point.

Also, I agree with Clov re: Kaylee. Not liking Cass's reads.

AJ

- Votes early

- Simultaneously suggests that my post was 'strikingly similar' to game we wolfed together and calls it strange that I have scum reads on ~accepted greens because I'm not usually 'against the grain'.

[v]Cass[/v]

Pulled some quotes as I was catching up just now, will get them sorted and responded to in time.

Sooh/Cass wagons aren't bad atm, I think.

Having just wolfed with Cass I think that post reads strikingly similar to what I read from her last game. She doesn't really come across to me as an against the grain type so her having 4 scum reads in more or less ~accepted greens is strange.

Cory

- ?Directs suspicion by saying I coast as wolf

- Suggests my wolf posts are 'long, villagery' and 'with no real content'. Here I agree with the second part and strongly disagree with the first. I haven't posted 'long, villagery' WoTs for the past few games - and in all of those I've been scum. No real content as scum I'll give him. Either way I don't see how either of those are particularly relevant here/to that point.

Cass you've been a wolf like the last 4-5 games and I have seen you coast on little blurbs of "villagery content" with no real dedication or commitment to figuring out the game - and nobody pushes you for whatever reason

Just letting you know if you are a wolf here I will not be allowing you to do this for as long as I'm alive

Cass you've been a wolf like the last 4-5 games and I have seen you coast on little blurbs of "villagery content" with no real dedication or commitment to figuring out the game - and nobody pushes you for whatever reason

Just letting you know if you are a wolf here I will not be allowing you to do this for as long as I'm alive

I don't know if it's the timing of this post, or the implication that she posted "villagery content", but I'm really suspicious of this post. The idea is probably basically null for Cory - he can make these town leader posts (I don't really know what to call them, bold is what I'm referring to here) as any alignment - with maybe the slightest hint of town, but this seems completely out of place here.

Don't blame me because you made a post insinuating she's going to skate on villagery content after she made an incredibly sketchy reads list and three people pointed it out.

Wasn't calling her content villagery, was referencing her last like ~5 games where she's post 5-6 times a day and they'd all be "long, villagery posts" IE long WoTs with no real content that people don't bother to read and just say "well she wrote a lot of words, so that's villagery" and continued to ignore her

I haven't even read the post she made yet in an analytical eye, just sort of skimmed over it

I liked Clov's points here. Don't like that Cory references my last ~5 scum games but admits to skimming/makes no effort to read me analytically in this one, despite suggesting that's how he thinks I coast as scum.

TLDR:

Comments/pushes by Darthe, AJ and Cory seem worse than those by Clov and Hally.

FYI, I don't read posts that look like this.

So scan for the TLDR. I put the info there for those that care to look/don't understand where I'm coming from/disagree in case it helps clarify something that could otherwise be misdirected/misunderstood.

Cory Caboose · May 28, 2015

Darthe I think Cass is a wolf. DK why you are defending her.

Cory Caboose · May 28, 2015

Stopping after page 11 but I would say it's very likely that Wombat/Verb/Cass/Sooh/Dice/Clov contains 2+ wolves

I will give you a better and more concise list later but right now those are the people I am most wary of

These sorts of posts/reads bother me Cory - how am I supposed to work out if your motivation for putting wolf suggestions out is more Town than Scum if you don't provide the reasons why/encourage more discussion?

Like... you know my MO as a villager by now. My biggest problem with you is this whole perma-catchup, avoid real time shenanigans and the fact that while you are asking questions A) most of them are inane and B) I don't think they are questions you legitimately care about the answer to! Which has always been something I've jotted as wolfy for you. You overplay your "tinfoil" - ie it seems this game your top wolf suspects are people that are not gonna get lynched anytime soon, absolving you of a need to get involved closer to EOD.

I would think you flip wolf like 75%+ percent of the time here. Am I wrong?

Cass · May 28, 2015

I just meant that I haven't seen you really provide anything that I would describe as helping me to read you since you came back in today. Yesterday I felt I was getting more from you... Could you give me some current leans, please?

Verb is my villager peek so that goes without saying. Going off thread I think Nyn is on her villager game and I think Clov is too. Darthe is more likely to be a villager here based solely on numbers despite my suspicion of him earlier. Kaylee seems okay, she's making her observations that are accurate in the moment. I'd probably peek her just to confirm her because I think she's likely to make it deep into the game on the merit of not getting NK'd often in this roster and clearing her would be valuable later on in POE.

Cass might be light green for the moment. I appreciate Cass expounding more on her thoughts to show her perspective which I don't think she'd do as well if she were wolfing again.

Dice had his 'gut read' opener which I think by now I should probably consider more of a neutral movement at this point in our experience together. I'll need more from him. Leelou can fit into this category as well because I haven't seen enough from her to really place her outside of null. Tress would be here as well until she comes back more with her own thoughts.

I'm undecided on you atm. You've said some things that came across weird to me but I think you've made some decent posts as well. The one you talked about people ignoring / defending you as suspect could offer some valuable insight later on if you're a villager here. I agreed with some of your points.

Cory and Wombat I have as hesitant wolf leans for now. I feel like the way Cory is engaging those who suspect him is more in-line with how I would do things as a wolf although I admit that could just be my own personal projection on his play. Wombat is more of hunch I guess. I don't think any of the observations he's made couldn't be done as a wolf and I think there's some potential for distancing between him and Cory happening. Cory's post about them colliding as Mario Kart characters or whatever gave me that impression.

I like the fact that Sooh asked for this. I don't like that she didn't provide an opinion of of AJ's alignment with the fact that she felt like she was getting more from him the day before.

I'm uncomfortable with AJ removing Darthe from the wolf PoE after his earlier suspicion (again), because i) I still feel Darthe's early game seemed more likely to be scum and ii) IIRC AJ didn't change his stance/read on Darthe until after I copped direct heat for highlighting it and he didn't come straight out with it at the time either. I find the explanation for Sooh being undecided is more vague than the other explanations and this is potentially concerning.

Otherwise, I mostly like this particular post from AJ and agree with his explanations. Add Tress and Verb into the Dice/Leelou section and add AJ and to a lesser extent Clov to the people I'm especially wary of and this is essentially where I'm at for now.

?Town

Nyn

Kaylee

Null/Need more

Tress

Dice

Verb

Leelou

Especially wary:

but probably won't vote

Wombat/Clov/Cory

and possibly could vote

Sooh/AJ/Darthe

Yes, I realise I'm wary of almost everyone who's been posting. Tbh I'm not entirely sure I should be putting anyone in this game near ?Town, ever, but feel I have to start somewhere and Nyn and Kaylee feel the safest choice so far.

Cory Caboose · May 28, 2015

Hi Cass.

WWWwombat · May 28, 2015

I apparently lied earlier.. Don't have time to comment on everything that has been said now before I try to get some sleep, but seriously...

You're all tying me down to being a one note player. I'm actively trying to play better and make more pushed, but if the one push that I make is going to haunt me for the rest of the game you're all just going to scare me into being that player who hedges on her reads and posts long catch up posts because she's too damn scared to spar with you in the thread. I HAVE been posting at 2+2 lately, and I was feeling a bit braver in terms of going in and trying to push someone softly to make a read, but with my head fully and thoroughly bitten off I'm just going to stop doing that.

I just pretty much got discouraged from trying to get better at this. It's entirely possible that this is HORRIBLE villager game, but I have to try and find out what works for me.

I don't know much about what I would look like as a wolf in longer games, but I think my SK game might give an inclination.

and yes, I guess this is another woe is me post... or frustrated villager. Take your pick. Frustrated villager would be the correct one.

People take heat all the time. If you're actually town, channel that frustration into scumhunting. Emotion without effort doesn't look very townish to me.

Yates · May 28, 2015

Votecount 1.4

Sooh: Darthe, Bewbs McGee, dicetosser1

Cass: Andrej, cory caboose

SongsTress: WWWwombat

dicetosser1: Clovdyx

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

!!!Deadline is 12 hours from this post!!!

Cory Caboose · May 28, 2015

[v]Cass[/v]

Ignoring me isn't going to make me go away.

WWWwombat · May 28, 2015

I never understood reading ISOs, fwiw

Robs you of context

I do it when the game gets too long.

The premise is that Nyn is a respectable mafia player who wouldn't attempt to derp herself clear, especially when she's already on her villager romping 24/7

She's blue, not a peek but blue regardless

Confidence level is like 99.99%

I disagree with your premise but have Nyn as a nice deep, verdant, green.

WWWwombat · May 28, 2015

I quickly read the thread, yes. Nothing about those three has changed for me. Nyn changed. As for the rest you're going to have to wait until tomorrow to see. I am officially off to bed. Good night everyone.

Meh. Not particularly impressed by you changing your read to align with a consensus town read.

WWWwombat · May 28, 2015

My major issue with Sooh is that my heart really wants her to be a villager and I'm finding that harder to ignore

This might make no sense to ANYONE but I am going to be extremely disappointed if she's a wolf and this was her approach to "clearing herself" as a wolf - abusing guilt tactics and emotional manipulation. So I want to believe she's a villager so I don't have to deal with that disappointment.

But that wanting doesn't make her a villager, and that's where my heart is torn.

I took something Mish told me once to heart - "play a beautiful game", because there's no pride in winning a game dirty like that.

Makes perfect sense to me, but it's an extremely dangerous attitude imo. AtE is a pretty big tool for both town and scum.

WWWwombat · May 28, 2015

Look at that post you quoted where I voted Dice. I gave five names I'd fine lynching, and Cass was the one I felt best about (to be town). That means Sooh is in my bottom four. If that's not clear enough for you, then that's your problem.

You said you weren't going to fight the lynch of said people. I don't think it indicates much there when you lump them all together. I would have liked to hear more than that. But w/e. Don't feel like talking anymore.

There are five names and three mafia. I'll concede it's more obvious to me because I know what I'm thinking, but I really don't think it's a stretch to infer those five are not town reads.

One might go so far as to say that they are "in your PoE" n'est-ce pas?

WWWwombat · May 28, 2015

Kaylee, I absolutely adore you this game and in general, but please don't do that color inside quotes thing.

Cory Caboose · May 28, 2015

It is a dangerous attitude. It's why I refuse to defend her and will not stop her lynch closer to EOD.

You play the game or you're removed from the game. Even we EP was doing his "I'm quitting" breakdown last game he still PUSHED HIS READS; Sooh doesn't seem to care about what happens at all.

WWWwombat · May 28, 2015

Got interrupted by dinner after all...

Here's a breakdown of players posting against me thus far:

Darthe

- Push started after I mentioned being more suspicious of him than anyone else thus far and voiced disagreement with his driving early Seer cover even though it's more likely to be inaccurate/more helpful to the wolves;

- Calls my list awful, plants seed that I'm deliberately being TWTBAW - does not question anything he finds suspicious;

- Hinges on the fact that my early leans are different to his and that I haven't provided a 'compensatory' number of town reads/that he can't understand me starting with a base of 'reading more-likely scum', when he knows after discussions in our mentor chat that that is exactly how I work;

- Has a point about my leans positionally and the odds that at least two of them are wrong;

- Calls my notes 'poor reasoning' and 'flimsy' but doesn't question/discuss anything specific.

This is an awful wolf list.

Cass are you attempting to incorperate TWTBAW by chance? If so just use our codeword. It's Clovian Dongonomics if you forgot.

'Awful' because it has you at the top so early on, perchance? You sir, are on my watch list. If it's genuinely awful to you and you are Town, discuss with me why, or just bite me - you pointing out that it's awful without further discussion is still scummy, especially since you're one who has specifically told me it's ok to be 'wrong' sometimes

I do bite, you know?

But truly you used poor reasoning to put four of my town reads into a wolf pile and didn't provide a compensatory number of town reads. Unless you start reading everyone as scum and work your way up (no clue why you would do that) there isn't any reason to have everyone positionally where they are since you know you have to be wrong about at least two of them. Also, I thought the reasons didn't just look flimsy, they looked like you were trying to find a reason to fit those people into those reads.

I could have sworn there was a particular island/country/continent that was awake at just this time.

Australia is FROZEN

Not really relevant, but AustraliaDice is visiting family and AustraliaCass was doing daycare runs/looking after hers. For whatever reason, Darthe WIM against Australia.

Clov

- Votes early

- Doesn't understand my reads, but gives specific reasons why and asks specific questions for more info

[v]Cass[/v]

I don't understand most of those reads at all. I don't see how you can say Darthe has been defending Nyn at all, and I'm not sure you can make a fair case of "distancing" when he's actively trying to get pressure on the slot. Pushing him for seer cover makes no sense to me.

Where has Kaylee been pushy at all? Observant questioning, sure, but I don't see how you can argue that's anti-town.

Hally

Says she doesn't like my reads, wrt to Kaylee. Fair enough, at this point.

Also, I agree with Clov re: Kaylee. Not liking Cass's reads.

AJ

- Votes early

- Simultaneously suggests that my post was 'strikingly similar' to game we wolfed together and calls it strange that I have scum reads on ~accepted greens because I'm not usually 'against the grain'.

[v]Cass[/v]

Pulled some quotes as I was catching up just now, will get them sorted and responded to in time.

Sooh/Cass wagons aren't bad atm, I think.

Having just wolfed with Cass I think that post reads strikingly similar to what I read from her last game. She doesn't really come across to me as an against the grain type so her having 4 scum reads in more or less ~accepted greens is strange.

Cory

- ?Directs suspicion by saying I coast as wolf

- Suggests my wolf posts are 'long, villagery' and 'with no real content'. Here I agree with the second part and strongly disagree with the first. I haven't posted 'long, villagery' WoTs for the past few games - and in all of those I've been scum. No real content as scum I'll give him. Either way I don't see how either of those are particularly relevant here/to that point.

Cass you've been a wolf like the last 4-5 games and I have seen you coast on little blurbs of "villagery content" with no real dedication or commitment to figuring out the game - and nobody pushes you for whatever reason

Just letting you know if you are a wolf here I will not be allowing you to do this for as long as I'm alive

Cass you've been a wolf like the last 4-5 games and I have seen you coast on little blurbs of "villagery content" with no real dedication or commitment to figuring out the game - and nobody pushes you for whatever reason

Just letting you know if you are a wolf here I will not be allowing you to do this for as long as I'm alive

I don't know if it's the timing of this post, or the implication that she posted "villagery content", but I'm really suspicious of this post. The idea is probably basically null for Cory - he can make these town leader posts (I don't really know what to call them, bold is what I'm referring to here) as any alignment - with maybe the slightest hint of town, but this seems completely out of place here.

Don't blame me because you made a post insinuating she's going to skate on villagery content after she made an incredibly sketchy reads list and three people pointed it out.

Wasn't calling her content villagery, was referencing her last like ~5 games where she's post 5-6 times a day and they'd all be "long, villagery posts" IE long WoTs with no real content that people don't bother to read and just say "well she wrote a lot of words, so that's villagery" and continued to ignore her

I haven't even read the post she made yet in an analytical eye, just sort of skimmed over it

I liked Clov's points here. Don't like that Cory references my last ~5 scum games but admits to skimming/makes no effort to read me analytically in this one, despite suggesting that's how he thinks I coast as scum.

TLDR:

Comments/pushes by Darthe, AJ and Cory seem worse than those by Clov and Hally.

FYI, I don't read posts that look like this.

So scan for the TLDR. I put the info there for those that care to look/don't understand where I'm coming from/disagree in case it helps clarify something that could otherwise be misdirected/misunderstood.

TL; DR summaries usually aren't particularly enlightening to me.

Cory Caboose · May 28, 2015

My cell service at the place I'm working today is brutal and I'm sick of waiting 8 minutes for this page to load.

I'll be around later.

WWWwombat · May 28, 2015

[v]Sooh[/v]

WWWwombat · May 28, 2015

I'm out for a bit too.

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