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A Tale of Middle Earth: Game OVER

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Andrej Spam Master

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AJ

 

Cass is because  A) She's ducking me. B) She and Tina? I think were the ones Sooh asked for help reading me despite people like you and Yates being around and C) generally she is not helping Town and D) she came in late lynch on Tina when tina was the obvious lynch and yet voted EP

 

All good reasons.

 

So Tina/Sooh/Cass? That sorta throws off my idea of EP.2 being with Tina, but I hadn't been thinking about Cass's vote.

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Sooh's ISO. These aren't all her posts but ones that stood out to me looking over her four pages.

 

 

 

 

Ok, so, catching up. 

 

Sili seems eager to get the game going and to figure people out. That is a good look. He also seems relaxed in his interactions, and picks up on a whole lot of things and questions them. Town

 

AJ feels pretty much the same as in our previous game together. He seems town to me.

 

Eldrick is someone I have only played with when he was scum, but he feels rather different this time around. More open, curious, asking questions. Villagery.

 

Tress is very relaxed and seems to be village. 

 

Tina seems to be poking a little bit at a few different people. Town lean. 

 

On the other end of the spectrum right now I see Yates. His tone seems off this game, and he seems to post a lot of fluff. Biggest lead I have so far. 

 

[v]Yates[/v]

 

First set of reads for the game, hands out a few town reads and then votes Yates.1 (can't blame her there as I thought I was seeing the same things). Has Sili, me, Eldrick, Tress and Tina as early town reads. So far 3/4 out of flipped players.

 

 

**snip**

 

I don´t have any oppinion at all of Sooh right now. 

 

Cory wants me to tell you that he knows you're town so this is par for the course...

 

and he put one of these :biggrin:

 

This might be a little sensitive considering the whole mentor thing, but yeah... doesn't look very good. High level players such as this mentor that will remained unnamed wouldn't stray from hard clearing a scumbro if they were looking good.

 

Hey guys! I've been trying to catch up while you've all been running away from me :smile: 
 
This is definitely a bigger game than I'm used to. I lean towards believing Yates for now though, so [unvote]

 

I did expect Seph to be much more involved in this game, so he's my biggest lead at the moment for where to find scum.

 

[v]seph[/v]

 

Votes Seph. I noticed looking through her ISO that she holds him as a scumspect throughout the game but not in a way I think is distancing. Still could be w/w but opposing?

 

 

However, it was Seph who was in danger along with Yates if Silli hadn't been voting Yates. Keep that in mind when you're sifting through all of this. (to everyone)

 

Yes, Seph was in danger, and Hallia was getting heat in the thread for her quick vote on Yates. 

 

I still think Seph might be scum.

 

Seems to buy into the theory that the phase ending was done to save Seph. If she's scum I think this hints that she knows it wasn't performed by her faction.

 

 

Which is it? You want to talk to your mentor before giving your reads or your reads haven't changed?

 

Well.. if you look back you see I have only reads on a few people. Those haven't changed in my opinion. I wanted to look at some people who I haven't looked at so closely before. Those are the ones I wanted to discuss with my mentor. 

 

I feel like your votes so far have been rather opportunistic and poorly explained, but I'm not ready to call you mafia for that. 

 

Talya, why do you keep calling seph Seth? You have done this in all but one post. Had it been your last one I guess I could buy that you just learned it, but it's not. You've also been mildly FoSing both Sili and me for leaning mafia on Seph. To me it looks like defending him against votes, while at the same time you are distancing because you don't even know his name! I wouldn't be surprised if you two are scum mates. 

 

I need to read more from both Taborline and Thane too. 

 

Will work more on ISOs and things tomorrow, but I'm going to bed now. 

 

More suspicion of Seph and starting to draw connections to other players irt him. So yeah, I think the suspicion is real but I still think it may be w/w hunting.

 

Flat tires makes for interesting days...  :rolleyes:

 

I wanted to get something in before EOD.

 

First I wanted to know from Dice why it's such a bad thing that my town reads haven't changed a whole lot. It's like that's the scummiest thing you've ever read. 

 

I like Tina, AJ, EP and Eldrick for town still. I'm leaning town on Verb and Leelou also until I see more convincing cases being made.

 

Then there's the mid range in which I am still not sure what to believe... Krak, Taborline, Alannalynn, Batass, Pizza, Hallia, Yates 2.0, Thane, Heart, Alot. Seeing as there's a ton of interest around Krak I'll get to his ISO as soon as I'm done typing this.

 

I still feel like Dice, Seph and Talya are interesting candidates for scum. I'm aware that Seph is for meta reasons, and it's not a strong case really. I need to go back and look more at Dice, because he has been stepping up his game in my opinion, and might not be as strong a candidate for scum anyway... Talya has followed her very own path this game, and might for that reason be very scummy or very villagery. I still feel like she has been defending Seph a lot, and so pending a flip on him I would potentially look at her closer. 

 

I'm stressing out a little over EOD now, but I'm around for discussions and I'll be taking a look at Krak at least before EOD. 

 

Holding my vote pending on how that ISO comes along. 

 

Despite other things I have seen that could point to Sooh being a wolf, I'm wondering if this sort of post would be hard for her to make as scum. I don't want to underestimate her by any means, but I do get a genuine feel of concern/confusion here. Idk... I don't want to say this post alone makes her a villager in comparison to her body of work, but it does give me a little pause.

 

 

**snip**

 

I read him ?scum early on for lack of aggression, leaning away from that due to aggression D2, but I still find some of his question style and possibly his vote on you slightly off. Perhaps I'm making the same mistake with him that he did with me last time and giving him too much leniency due to RL but I don't know. 

What else have you got?

 

Mainly the same thing. I have found he has done very little in terms of giving reads, and yes, I felt like his vote on me was off. I just can't seem to shake that he isn't being Town!Dice, which is why I'm reaching out to you who have played with him longer to see if anyone else feel the same way as I do. I find that it's much more compelling to me to go in that direction right now rather than at Thane/Hallia. 

 

 

 

Mainly the same thing. I have found he has done very little in terms of giving reads, and yes, I felt like his vote on me was off. I just can't seem to shake that he isn't being Town!Dice, which is why I'm reaching out to you who have played with him longer to see if anyone else feel the same way as I do. I find that it's much more compelling to me to go in that direction right now rather than at Thane/Hallia. 

 

Interesting, what's your read on me?

 

You know I <3 you but this is tinfoil Cass... I trust noone when I play and you've said you'll never trust me again so adding in the explanation about 'reaching out' seems strange... Currently I think I'm putting Dice at about the same level as Thane. Scummy to start and now not sure. And I'm still not certain that you're not Scum yourself.

 

Cass, I reached out to EVERYONE... Currently you and your hydra partner are in my null reads because most of all I find it hard to read two players playing the same spot. Fair enough on the tinfoiling. I do that with everyone too, but if enough people independently read Dice as scummy, maybe he really is? Regardless of the two of us and our affiliation.

 

I <3 you too... lol just neutral in mafia :wink:

 

Not sure what to make of this interaction. I think this is the one Dice was talking about (?) Maybe he can expound a bit on it.

 

 

 

Thought this sequence was pretty interesting.

 

Meh..I don't like any of the trains at the moment.

 

[v]Dice[/v]

 

 

I know I yolo labeled Thane scum, but I don't see his self vote coming from scum!Thane.  This is probably v/v wagons.

 

whole-heartedly agree with this...

 

Seriously? Nobody wants to look at Dice today?

 

Fine. If I can't convince you not to kill a villager then 

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Thane[/v]

 

I should probably read this more in context but the order of things here is sort of strange. I'm assuming the two wagons being discussed were Thane/Verb before Verb activated his power. What's weird to me is that she would agree both wagons looked like v/v and then changes from Dice to vote Thane. Like I said, this is without context and I'm not 100% which of Thane/Verb were leading in votes at the time but saying you think someone is a villager and then adding to their wagon is just something that should never happen if you're a villager - especially in a hybrid game where majority isn't needed.

 

 

My reads as of now: 

 

Tina

EP

Thane

Hallia

AJ

Krak

Eldrick

 

Yates 2.0

Pizza

Batass

Leelou

 

Taborline

Alot

 

Talya

Laine

Seph

Dice

 

Blue are my town reads for now. Green are my "more town than not" list. Black are nulls and red are scum. 

 

I know there are wrong reads in there, because my scum pile is too small, but that's where I stand right now.

 

For posterity. Lots of blues/greens there. Maybe I am applying too much weight to my Rule of 4s theory, but it looks to me like she's legit just hunting for one pack of wolves. Also note that she has Hallia listed in her blues here but in the following post below she makes a statement about being willing to hear a case on her (that was also AFTER Hallia claimed her PR)

 

Look. I'm TRYING to help town the best way I can, which is by pointing out people I find scummy. I'm aware that a bunch of my reads haven't changed, but that's because I still see people the same way. I'll try to do a better job of explaining myself, but I can't promise grand multiquote posts and stuff, because I have simply too much to do IRL at the moment. 

 

I'm not convinced Hallia is scum, but I'm willing to be talked into it. Same with Heart or Taborline. Tina I'm happy with as Town. 

 

The Heart and Taborline comments feel, idk. Unneeded maybe? Like she had to mention them in some way because people were talking about them? Important part is that Tina was a wagon at this time and she is maintaining her town read on her to vote elsewhere.

 

Pizza? What happened to your wolf read on AJ?

 

And yes, I still have to get back to you on that one...

 

Don't really like this post. Reads like a wolf trying to sow dissension between players.

 

 

 

 

Synopsis: Probably a wolf. Has some posts that make me question this read but her overall body of work and lack of thread presence makes me think she's not a good guy this game. Partnered most likely with Tina but never with Dice or Seph.

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That's the first one.

 

Gonna take a look at Alot pre-sub and probably Seph before I go to bed tonight.

 

The objective for D4? Lynch a wolf not on Tina's team :wink:

 

:jordan:

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Alot ISO (not much here, there were only 2 pages so I grabbed the pertinent stuff)

 

 

 

 

I'm just reading backwards in time now, since you added about 25 pages from when I was last reading, so I'm going to have alot of gaps in my knowledge.

 

Eldrick assumes everyone on the wagon was town because of the phase change?  How does that follow?

 

Sili: I wanted to mentor this game, and was convinced to play instead.  You guys are at around 1.5k posts for a shortened d1 and a bit of n2, which I do find a bit ridiculous, and it has been a very busy work week for me, more so than expected.  I have been trying to keep up, but I never even got to get on my laptop yesterday until around 11, and this game was not my top priority before going to bed to get up for work 6 hours later.

 

I agree with Yates2.0 that Sooh is rather suspicious for confirming the votes after unvoting and then minutes later ending the round.  If nothing else, it narrows down the pool to those who were actively reading the thread atm.

 

Likelihood wolf!Seph was saved < Likelihood Mafia got a clear shot on claimed PR Yates 1.0, especially given multiball.  I don't think we can use this to indict Seph.

 

Hallia, I didn't recognize you with your new 'do, sorry.  I remember liking your intro posts.  Null vibe from what I've read recently.

 

I remember Eternal Phoenix giving me a scum ping in the first 15 pages, but I don't remember why :(

 

The bold stuff is pretty interesting to me in hindsight after how D1 ended. He attacks Eldrick for his assumption the wagon must all be town and is arbitrarily narrowing down a suspect pool of those 'who were around' at the time as if the action couldn't be submitted via PM or QT.

 

Nice little nugget there irt Seph as well.

 

In the same post he wants to look at those 'who were around' but also doesn't like the idea of pursuing the thought that the phase ended to save Seph who was the Yates.1 counter wagon. While I agree with the point that scum with that power kill Yates.1 regardless, that doesn't always negate the Seph angle. It could also have been a combo of both seeing as how Yates.1 wasn't killed instantly after his claim and instead the phase ended once momentum started to shift elsewhere.

 

"Eldrick assumes everyone on the wagon was town because of the phase change? How does that follow?"

 

To clarify on this, given there are multiple mafia parties, how does one party ending the phase early mean there are no mafia from that or the unknowing other mafia party on the lynchee?

 

Can't decide if I feel this is TMI or not. The people who were on Yates when he got lynched were me, Leelou, and Sili. This could be a hint that he knew none of his bros were on the wagon but also didn't want the heat to come off those who were.

 

 

I don't assume they are all town. I said it's *likely* they are. If mafia was in control of the phase change (which IS what I assume), then it is likely they would use it when they aren't on the 'winning' train.

 

Except as stated, that doesn't work as a reason in multiball, and even if it wasn't multiball you have no evidence or real logic behind that assumption, you just assume it to be true.  Why WOULDN'T mafia have a vote in there if they need the numbers and people are probably going to hop off the vote as Yates1.0 continued to claim PR?  You have to give some logic/reason before saying something is likely.

 

More of the same. Pushing the idea that scum had to be on Yates.1 wagon

 

 

I keep forgetting half the game everytime I get in in the morning and catch up.  I feel like I'm only scratching alot of surface here.

All the same.

[v]Leelou[/v]

This feels right.  I think Cass caught her in a slip/lie, and it's a legitimate one.

 

I kinda wanted to see what LeeLou would do, as I remembered bad feelings about her, but this was the first specific thing I read this morning that spoke to me.  Like I said, I was fine with putting my vote there for a time.  

Her reaction to being voted?  Said I'd made some okay posts but voting her for a clearly stated reason put me in the scum category.  Then she squirmed some more when other people added votes.  I find that scummy.

For now though, [unvote][v]unvote[/v] or however you do it on this forum.

 

Andrej, I put that vote down to put a vote down and do something in the game, and see the reaction.  I'm not ready to put down a vote I intend to lynch someone with yet.

 

 

Sheeps Cass on her comments regarding Leelou, calling it a slip. The unvote and his reason behind it are weird too when you look at the next post where you can see he's still considering voting Leelou. I don't know, it just doesn't make sense to me. If you think you're voting someone who is scum, I would say that makes your vote meaningful.

 

 

So basically right now it is between Verbal, Leelou, and maybe Krak.

 

And TinaHel, I responded to the same question on like the same page or the next, not sure why you didn't see it.  I was prepared to vote at that time to see what the result would be and to get myself into the game, but I wasn't necessarily prepared to put down my lynch vote yet.  I prefer that vote to actually make a difference.  Right now I'm deciding between Verbal who everyone else seems to have a case on and Leelou who I didn't like the reaction of, and agree has given my a gut scumread from my read through.  I'm waiting to see Verbal's defense before voting?

 

 

Weird little progression imo.

 

Self-voting is a punishable offense on my forum.  Do you guys have that?

 

[v]Thane[/v]

I feel this is better than Verbal for today

 

No.
[v]Verbal[/v]

 

This is why I hate self-votes.  I feel thane is legit, even if unhelpful.

 

Not sure what he meant by punishable offense but the switching here is weird to me. What changed in the span of a minute to make him change his mind about Thane being better to lynch over Verb besides Thane's self vote?

 

 

 

 

 

Conclusion: Mixed? Wouldn't be surprised if he's a wolf here. If Seph is a wolf then I would say Alot definitely is (was). This doesn't really jive with the impression I got from EP.2 and Tina from today but I guess we'll see.

Andrej Spam Master

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For the record - I´m satisfied with my vote as it is. Taborline didn´t do much but showed up during the end of day 2. WK hasn´t done much. Mostly being weird.

 

Hi WK! Do we know you from somewhere else?

Probably an important post to mark here. This was around the time Tina was solidified as the lead wagon and before Pizza talked her into switched to EP. Doubling down on her vote for WK/Taborline. Distancing? I don't know if Tina has a pension to bus but she did have them in red when she posted her reads and several others were already voting WK.

 

Might be a partner.

 

just look at my tl/dr version oh but you're her mafia team mate soooo you know w/e

This is probably important too after noticing the Alot/Seph connection earlier.
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The spider moved methodically, as large spiders do, but also silently. The warm bodies sleeping in its path were merely obstacles in its path. It crawled through their hair, across open mouths, and over shoulders.

Some bodies were warmer than others, more anxious than those that slept soundly beside them. The heat was from the anxiety, and the anxiety began in fevered minds; minds that knew penalties existed for not reaching a majority vote, or in these cases, not even bothering to vote.

The spider did not understand these things, it was only attracted to the heat. And as it came across each of these bodies, it sank its fangs deeply into each, releasing its venom.

The venom of the Tarantula is not the strongest in the jungle. It will only kill a small percentage of people that it bites.

But it will cause excruciating pain, and elevated states of anxiety as the victim waits to see if they will live or die...  

 

Once she reached hit it ceased to matter.  

 

His body spasmed, twitching at first, then jerking violently as the poison reached his heart. He gurgled as his eyes bulged and he clawed at his throat...but no one was there to help him. 

His anxieties proved to be very, very real.

 

 

Yates - Pallando, Vanilla town has been killed by spiders.

 

Credits for this scene go to DPR.  It is now day.  You have 50 hours (scheduling conflict).  With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch.  

Talya Spam Master

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Looks like wolfies were blocked or someone protected. About time we had a little luck if you can call it that.

 

Dice I can see what you are saying about Sooh, but I'm going to look for myself later. I still think you maybe with Tina and Cass. In fact I'm going to go with [v]Cass[/v]

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Vote:Sooh

I could vote here, but I'd rather try to get someone on the other team to even the odds a bit. It's looking like Sooh is Tina's teammate.

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I blocked Eternal Phoenix last night, and I also blocked Tallia. I don't know if I was successful, but only one kill....

 

Now finish him.

 

Vote: Eternal Phoenix.

 

You howling wolf.... don't you EVER threaten us with meta arguments ever again. Play the game, not the players.

 

Justice will be served.... hot.... and fresh.... or this pizza's on the house.

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