A Tale of Middle Earth: Game OVER

Niniel · May 17, 2015

Sorry, this will be a quick post since I´m soon going to bed. I´m working late tomorrow but I think I should be able to be here for at least an hour tomorrow night.

No order within the groups.

Town:

Leelou - I had a townie feeling from how she posted on d1. I started to get a little worried about her yesterday but I liked that she didn´t fear to openly doubble vote on the least popular option.

Talya - She makes posts that I don´t always agree with (for example about Sili) but that I can understand. Her recent posts all looks good. It looks to me like she is trying her best to scumhunt.

Thane - Because of Pizza´s claim but also because of the selfvote. I have seen him selfvote before when he is frustrated. I don´t think he would do that as mafia.

Pizza - Only because of the claim. I have not have time to re-read his posts like I said I should. I had him in my suspicious list before but for now I will go with the claim.

Krak - He is only here because of Pizza´s claim. Where is he?

Light town:

Laine - I didn´t find much scummy from her when I iso´d her posts.

In the middle:

Sooh - She is probably not mafia with Dice. That´s the only thing I can say for sure about her right now.

AH - Has barely posted.

Yates 2.0 - I have no idea. Just yoloing D2.

Seph - Can´t remember anything of him.

Cass - The same goes for Cass. I need to read more.

Light mafia:

AJ - I had a strong town feeling from him on D1 but I have liked him less since then. I feel like he was the looser in the back and forth with Talya. I also found it weird that he didn´t want the discussion during the gladiator stuff and he has defended Hallia, who is in my mafia list. The only reason that he is not further down is because I feel that I need to read more and get updated about his posting. I agree with others posting about him but want to see it for myself.

EP 2.0 - I didn´t get a good feeling from Alot yesterday. Will have to re-read to remember why. Maybe it was because he posted so little? Unsure.

Mafia:

Dice - See my earlier posts.

Hally - She voted without reading up on D1, a vote that looked like a clear bandwagon vote. Didn´t like the voting yesterday or today either. Talya did a good iso of her that I agree with.

Taborline - Has been almost invisible the whole game. Had a bad reason for voting Verbal before the gladiator stuff. (Something like he didn´t take the preassure good or something like that.)

[v] Hallia [/v]

seph · May 17, 2015

Sorry tayla. I am around, my problem is I haven't had enough time to iso any of my suspects.

I will post a list here in a sec, I am very confident in my town reads. The not town needs to be sorted.

Today and tomorrow are my fiancée days off, so I don't have the time to iso.

seph · May 17, 2015

Town should be in order.

Pizza

Thane

Dice

Leelou

Yates

Alanna

Null

Tayla slight town lean

Cass - fluff

Tina been going back and forth with her.

Aj- had him town early, late game has me wondering

Slight scum

Tab - seems to keep up, haven't seen any posts I like.

Not town list

Heart- I need to read heart again.

ep2.0 I wasn't liking alot From the start of this game, his posts were just rude.

Sooh- her votes seem spotty

Hallia

Would be fine voting for Hallia or sooh.

I am trying to iso these two at least today.

Sooh her reasons for voting seem spotty.

Tab - have not seen any content posts.

Gabriel Kross · May 17, 2015

Sorry, this will be a quick post since I´m soon going to bed. I´m working late tomorrow but I think I should be able to be here for at least an hour tomorrow night.

No order within the groups.

Town:

Leelou - I had a townie feeling from how she posted on d1. I started to get a little worried about her yesterday but I liked that she didn´t fear to openly doubble vote on the least popular option.

Talya - She makes posts that I don´t always agree with (for example about Sili) but that I can understand. Her recent posts all looks good. It looks to me like she is trying her best to scumhunt.

Thane - Because of Pizza´s claim but also because of the selfvote. I have seen him selfvote before when he is frustrated. I don´t think he would do that as mafia.

Pizza - Only because of the claim. I have not have time to re-read his posts like I said I should. I had him in my suspicious list before but for now I will go with the claim.

Krak - He is only here because of Pizza´s claim. Where is he?

Light town:

Laine - I didn´t find much scummy from her when I iso´d her posts.

In the middle:

Sooh - She is probably not mafia with Dice. That´s the only thing I can say for sure about her right now.

AH - Has barely posted.

Yates 2.0 - I have no idea. Just yoloing D2.

Seph - Can´t remember anything of him.

Cass - The same goes for Cass. I need to read more.

Light mafia:

AJ - I had a strong town feeling from him on D1 but I have liked him less since then. I feel like he was the looser in the back and forth with Talya. I also found it weird that he didn´t want the discussion during the gladiator stuff and he has defended Hallia, who is in my mafia list. The only reason that he is not further down is because I feel that I need to read more and get updated about his posting. I agree with others posting about him but want to see it for myself.

EP 2.0 - I didn´t get a good feeling from Alot yesterday. Will have to re-read to remember why. Maybe it was because he posted so little? Unsure.

Mafia:

Dice - See my earlier posts.

Hally - She voted without reading up on D1, a vote that looked like a clear bandwagon vote. Didn´t like the voting yesterday or today either. Talya did a good iso of her that I agree with.

Taborline - Has been almost invisible the whole game. Had a bad reason for voting Verbal before the gladiator stuff. (Something like he didn´t take the preassure good or something like that.)

[v] Hallia [/v]

Town should be in order.

Pizza

Thane

Dice

Leelou

Yates

Alanna

Null

Tayla slight town lean

Cass - fluff

Tina been going back and forth with her.

Aj- had him town early, late game has me wondering

Slight scum

Tab - seems to keep up, haven't seen any posts I like.

Not town list

Heart- I need to read heart again.

ep2.0 I wasn't liking alot From the start of this game, his posts were just rude.

Sooh- her votes seem spotty

Hallia

Would be fine voting for Hallia or sooh.

I am trying to iso these two at least today.

Sooh her reasons for voting seem spotty.

Tab - have not seen any content posts.

well if you consider I want to be rid of the exact same people as EP 1.0 that should tell you both something

Gabriel Kross · May 17, 2015

however, now that I am Alot of Phoenix I need to go back and read what he actually had to say maybe I'll find yseful information

seph · May 17, 2015

Regardless if you come back as town or mafia I don't expect you to change any reads.

I have you as the least of my suspects as I want to see what alot of Phoenix will do, as alot did not post that much.

Also alot of Phoenix is better than 2.0 I like it.

Gabriel Kross · May 17, 2015

Regardless if you come back as town or mafia I don't expect you to change any reads.

I have you as the least of my suspects as I want to see what alot of Phoenix will do, as alot did not post that much.

Also alot of Phoenix is better than 2.0 I like it.

let's put it this way, if I had replaced in as mafia I would have subtly removed anyone that were actually on that team from my list. Since I'm still advocating my list 100% you can be sure that that is not the case. However, like I said I do want to pull up what Alot had to say see if there were any useable reads there. I'll get to that after a quick smoke.

Leelou · May 17, 2015

Regardless if you come back as town or mafia I don't expect you to change any reads.

I have you as the least of my suspects as I want to see what alot of Phoenix will do, as alot did not post that much.

Also alot of Phoenix is better than 2.0 I like it.

let's put it this way, if I had replaced in as mafia I would have subtly removed anyone that were actually on that team from my list. Since I'm still advocating my list 100% you can be sure that that is not the case. However, like I said I do want to pull up what Alot had to say see if there were any useable reads there. I'll get to that after a quick smoke.

People in your list might not be on your team, so you still could have replaced in as mafia.

Clovdyx · May 17, 2015

Clovdyx has Internet again! Official Vote Count Two:

Hallia (4/9): Yates, Eternal Phoenix, Talya, TinaHel

Laine (1/9): Leelou

Thane (1/9): Hallia

Not Voting (18/19):

Sooh, Aiel Heart, Dice, Thane, Krak, Taborline, Andrej, Alannalynn, Seph, Cass, Pizza

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch. Deadline is at 12:15 PM on May 19th, 2015.

Gabriel Kross · May 17, 2015

Okay here is what I found of use from Alot very good reads on both Tina and Leelou here who I also found suspect as per my list just before my death, that I'm still following through with post replacing in

I keep forgetting half the game everytime I get in in the morning and catch up. I feel like I'm only scratching alot of surface here.

All the same.

[v]Leelou[/v]

This feels right. I think Cass caught her in a slip/lie, and it's a legitimate one.

I kinda wanted to see what LeeLou would do, as I remembered bad feelings about her, but this was the first specific thing I read this morning that spoke to me. Like I said, I was fine with putting my vote there for a time.

Her reaction to being voted? Said I'd made some okay posts but voting her for a clearly stated reason put me in the scum category. Then she squirmed some more when other people added votes. I find that scummy.

For now though, [unvote][v]unvote[/v] or however you do it on this forum.

So basically right now it is between Verbal, Leelou, and maybe Krak.

And TinaHel, I responded to the same question on like the same page or the next, not sure why you didn't see it. I was prepared to vote at that time to see what the result would be and to get myself into the game, but I wasn't necessarily prepared to put down my lynch vote yet. I prefer that vote to actually make a difference. Right now I'm deciding between Verbal who everyone else seems to have a case on and Leelou who I didn't like the reaction of, and agree has given my a gut scumread from my read through. I'm waiting to see Verbal's defense before voting?

Agreed, seems pretty clear to me Tina is protecting Leelou. But I'm not liking Verbal's defense either. "Inconsistencies are normal for town". As if that is what was being said. Inconsistencies in reads is definitely more of a scum tell than a town tell because scum have to make reads they know are false, and have to make them to fit a situation, and forget they had opposing reads earlier with no explanation for the changeover. Saying it's normal for town, who are supposed to be able to show the process of their reads...

Hallia's response to it was formulaic and...eh.

This is in response to Hallia reponse of the Yates 2.0 statement of either Hallia or someone else I forget who was the other option. Something I also pointed out that Hallia's reaction was very sketchy

Alot was decently inline with my final list before I was NK'd so there is that to consider.

Gabriel Kross · May 17, 2015

Regardless if you come back as town or mafia I don't expect you to change any reads.

I have you as the least of my suspects as I want to see what alot of Phoenix will do, as alot did not post that much.

Also alot of Phoenix is better than 2.0 I like it.

let's put it this way, if I had replaced in as mafia I would have subtly removed anyone that were actually on that team from my list. Since I'm still advocating my list 100% you can be sure that that is not the case. However, like I said I do want to pull up what Alot had to say see if there were any useable reads there. I'll get to that after a quick smoke.

People in your list might not be on your team, so you still could have replaced in as mafia.

highly unlikely that I would have been THAT bad at my reads.

Sooh · May 17, 2015

**snip**

All right lets hear it. Whats my meta Sooh? plz note i am asking SOOH this not others.

You disappear into the shadows as mafia. You post VERY LITTLE, you don't take hard stances.

This game you started by voting Tina because she can probably suss out your mafia game most easily out of all of us here now, and then you follow up with me because you know I'm being mentored by Cory, another person who reads you extremely well.

Now please, since you've asked Cass to prove she's town, you've told Yates to town up, and you're clearly asking me to prove my towniness.... How about you proving you're town? I'm not seeing it yet.

[v]Dice[/v]

dicetosser1 · May 17, 2015

well if you consider I want to be rid of the exact same people as EP 1.0 that should tell you both something

What it tells me is that I now have the same problem with you that I have with Yates 2.0. you both have previous Town Blueprints to work from. Im willing to trust my ability to read Yates. I suck at reading you. As such i am much less likely to just trust my reading of you.

Eldrick4221 · May 17, 2015

Bah!

Go town!

dicetosser1 · May 17, 2015

**snip**

All right lets hear it. Whats my meta Sooh? plz note i am asking SOOH this not others.

You disappear into the shadows as mafia. You post VERY LITTLE, you don't take hard stances.

This game you started by voting Tina because she can probably suss out your mafia game most easily out of all of us here now, and then you follow up with me because you know I'm being mentored by Cory, another person who reads you extremely well.

Now please, since you've asked Cass to prove she's town, you've told Yates to town up, and you're clearly asking me to prove my towniness.... How about you proving you're town? I'm not seeing it yet.

[v]Dice[/v]

Actually my first vote was for Talya this game.

If I was going to vote someone because they can suss me out as mafia then AJ and Yates go first. Not Tina. Tress comes before her too for that matter.

Hard stances? That vote on you? Its not changing.

I already character hinted for you all.

Now lets look at you Sooh.

No real content, you have 76 posts but theres really no substance or scum hunting to them. you haven't driven any hunts. You acted weirdly at the Yates lynch. You wanted to lynch me 20 mins before DL when NOONE had voted me before that. And you have got bent out of shape cause I voted you. Just me. Wasn't like a train ran you up. It was ONE person

Pretty convinced im right here.

Vote Sooh

alannalynn · May 18, 2015

/snip/

I think with Dice my case is built mainly on meta, which makes it really hard to explain. I know it's hard for you and anyone who doesn't know him to see it, but I was hoping perhaps the people who have played quite a bit with Dice might have seen it. Seems like Tina did, but unfortunately it was too little too late.

I was late in that day because of a flat tire, and I was attempting to see what people saw in either of the two trains. I didn't see anything, so I voted somewhere else.

I try to trust my gut in this game, and I don't see why that is a bad thing.

A lot of people have said stuff about Dice's posting habits on here. Tina has, Cass has, I believe AJ has but I might be mixing him up with somebody else.

I voted Dice because he is one of my strongest scum reads. I don't like going to easy route and just picking someone I think a bunch of people will vote for.

Like I haven't played with any of these people before, including Dice? But that's not the point. It also feels like you were trying too hard to do the townie thing and actually had nothing to go on. I don't think I've actually SEEN your meta case on Dice. Or any case at all. I honestly don't give a crap about his alignment, this could be on anyone, but what bothers me is your flimsy case on someone because of meta that you haven't explained and depending on that to make yourself look town for trying to distract from two trains that you believed to be town/town.

[v]Hally[/v]

+1

[v]Laine[/v]

Could switch to any one of my scum reads/leans though.

I still don't understand WHY!? I did ISO you partially last night to see if my case came up though, so I'll get back to that. Please, convince me why I'm scum, because I'm honestly not seeing it. I think you're more upset that I voted Verbal and called you out for being so buddy buddy with him and you're taking it out on me by insisting that I am scum.

/snipped Talya's comment

I am sure, now that you mention it!

And I'll go back to

Vote: Thane

I think I was right here, unless I see something that changes it.

Why?

to the first two, because she's mafia and looking to go for anyone who isn't here. Hallia has a tendency to fumble once she's been caught.

Ugh. Catching up I forgot he was cleared through Pizza. >.<

The general lack of any real posting besides sniping.

Gonna have to really read through again.

and yet you didn't unvote

Underlined EP2's comments. Because this was my exact thought when I read this. Hallia, this shows that you're not reading the thread. If you were town, you would be paying close enough attention to notice that right now he's unofficially cleared and you wouldn't make mistakes such as this. If you were mafia (which I strongly believe you are), you would skim and not pay enough attention because you already think you have the game all figured out. So, which is it?

Regardless if you come back as town or mafia I don't expect you to change any reads.

I have you as the least of my suspects as I want to see what alot of Phoenix will do, as alot did not post that much.

Also alot of Phoenix is better than 2.0 I like it.

let's put it this way, if I had replaced in as mafia I would have subtly removed anyone that were actually on that team from my list. Since I'm still advocating my list 100% you can be sure that that is not the case. However, like I said I do want to pull up what Alot had to say see if there were any useable reads there. I'll get to that after a quick smoke.

Let's put it this way, if you had replaced in as mafia, you would not change your reads as subtly as you think because that would be stupid. Don't throw out a line like "I wouldn't do this as mafia" to gain town cred. You are a different role now, just like Yates2, and as it is you are in my scum list just because Alot was at the time. You're going to have to prove yourself first.

**snip**

All right lets hear it. Whats my meta Sooh? plz note i am asking SOOH this not others.

You disappear into the shadows as mafia. You post VERY LITTLE, you don't take hard stances.
This game you started by voting Tina because she can probably suss out your mafia game most easily out of all of us here now, and then you follow up with me because you know I'm being mentored by Cory, another person who reads you extremely well.

Now please, since you've asked Cass to prove she's town, you've told Yates to town up, and you're clearly asking me to prove my towniness.... How about you proving you're town? I'm not seeing it yet.

[v]Dice[/v]

Finally! Reasons! Wow! That really wasn't that hard, now was it?

I'm good with a Hallia or Sooh lynch right now, they're at the bottom of my list.

Gabriel Kross · May 18, 2015

so you agree on the points I make about Hallia and then say you have me as a scum read. Aren't thouse contradictory even in a multiball scenario?

alannalynn · May 18, 2015

so you agree on the points I make about Hallia and then say you have me as a scum read. Aren't thouse contradictory even in a multiball scenario?

I don't see what was contradictory, but you are being intentionally difficult as usual. What I see is that you may or may not have replaced in as scum. And I'm leaning scum based upon Alot's play so far in the game. BUT, for you to act any different from what EP1.0 was playing would be a blatant scum tell because of course you would act differently if you've suddenly become more informed.

Gabriel Kross · May 18, 2015

so you agree on the points I make about Hallia and then say you have me as a scum read. Aren't thouse contradictory even in a multiball scenario?

I don't see what was contradictory, but you are being intentionally difficult as usual. What I see is that you may or may not have replaced in as scum. And I'm leaning scum based upon Alot's play so far in the game. BUT, for you to act any different from what EP1.0 was playing would be a blatant scum tell because of course you would act differently if you've suddenly become more informed.

please explain about what you found suspicious about Alot's postings, while it seems he was a bit overwhelmed by the game he did point specifically at 3 targets on my list, so I'd like to hear your thoughts on this.

Hallia · May 18, 2015

Yeah - my WIM is busted. I think someone said it best that when a player replaces into game they bring their old prejudices back with them, and this is I feel the case. I am our town bodyguard. I guarded AJ N1 and Pizza last night. Trying to go through and get an updated read list.

alannalynn · May 18, 2015

so you agree on the points I make about Hallia and then say you have me as a scum read. Aren't thouse contradictory even in a multiball scenario?

I don't see what was contradictory, but you are being intentionally difficult as usual. What I see is that you may or may not have replaced in as scum. And I'm leaning scum based upon Alot's play so far in the game. BUT, for you to act any different from what EP1.0 was playing would be a blatant scum tell because of course you would act differently if you've suddenly become more informed.

please explain about what you found suspicious about Alot's postings, while it seems he was a bit overwhelmed by the game he did point specifically at 3 targets on my list, so I'd like to hear your thoughts on this.

It's more of a gut feeling, to be honest, because he wasn't invested in the game. I did agree with some of is points, yes, but he had a lot of fluff and very little actual content. I was actually annoyed a few times because he asked what was going on at the time. To me, that feels like floating, which feels like scum trying not to get called out. That's pretty much it. I'll be happy to consider you to be town if you continue to play pro-town, EP?

Gabriel Kross · May 18, 2015

okay lets see if posts go through now

Gabriel Kross · May 18, 2015

okay some weird stuff is happening right now can't quote can't get posts to go through right, but Hallia, why'd you choose AJ night 1?

also [unvote][v]Tina[/v]

Hallia · May 18, 2015

Because he's one of my strongest town reads.

Yates · May 18, 2015

Secret double voters identified...

Clovdyx has Internet again! Official Vote Count Two:

Hallia (4/9): Yates, Eternal Phoenix, Talya, TinaHel

Laine (1/9): Leelou

Thane (1/9): Hallia

Not Voting (18/19):

Sooh, Aiel Heart, Dice, Yates, Thane, Talya, Krak, Taborline, Andrej, Alannalynn, Seph, Cass, Pizza

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch. Deadline is at 12:15 PM on May 19th, 2015.

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