A Tale of Middle Earth: Game OVER

[Yates]

Don't like Cass posts right now.

[Hallia]

For the vote on Yates?

 

If that's the most suspicious thing in this game hat you can see them my condolences.

[Krakalakachkn]

I thought it was Masons but tbh I'm not sure. It's sounding like a stupid theory regardless so I can join in the lolKrak train and move on.

[Gabriel Kross]

 

 

 

Possibly. But if he was a pr he was only a mason, so why not get rid of EP who was definitely 'something'?

 

Because EP and Zander were the two somethings joined by a claim. And EP requested Doc protection [not hat I think his request would have been granted or anything] so in theory Zander was the "safer" choice of the two.

I requested redirect not doc protection. quite a bit different imo the person who shot zander made a mistake. To be honest of the two of us Zander was a bit lost in the game and the wifom of whether we were or were not masons together was cleared up instead of trying to continue pushing for it during the day. That tells me one of two things, 1 the mafia team were not confident enough that they could run with the WIFOM case or 2 the mafia has someone who is VERY familiar with my playstyle (AJ and Leelou both qualify there) oh and I forgot to add Sooh in my list. It was my partner's gut instinct and the occurances at end of d1 that stood out as questionable to me so let me go ahead and fix my list

 

Krak

Leelou

AJ

Sooh

Thane

Seph

 

I'm pretty indifferent on the NK spec myself. Obviously the claim was out there so if scum were going to shoot Zander was the better pick, although I agree that it might not have been the most optimal target now that they've confirmed the more active and experienced member of the pair.

 

Bold: I think you're confused.

 

 

no I'm not we've played a lot of games together in the past.

 

I requested redirect not doc protection.

Yeah but redirect is typically not a Town power. So I skipped through the nonsense and said you were asking for a "Doc." By "Doc" I obviously meant in the generic protector sense. Could have been requesting doc, jailkeeper, BG, commuter... anything like that.

 

Point remains valid. You asked for a Town NA - which would prevent your NK - to target you. Therefore if scum were going to assume that a Town PR might listen to you, Zander is the better target of the two if they are trying to get rid of confirmed Town roles instead of PR hunt. In a multiball game it's a safe enough strategy.

 

For the record I've been a town redirect before and did rather well on it hence specifically requesting redirect here. I had a suspicion of something else that might have happened, but again I don't have the details flushed out yet so going to keep the speculation to myself.

[Andrej]

@EP - We've literally never played together before that I can remember. Unless you played under a different name or something...?

 

Can you give some examples?

 

Like, links preferred because I seriously don't think you're recalling things correctly here.

[Andrej]

I thought it was Masons but tbh I'm not sure. It's sounding like a stupid theory regardless so I can join in the lolKrak train and move on.

 

lolKrak

 

Talk about me, then.

[Cass]

My reads from before the Yates lynch:

 

 

AJ is anti-town.

 

Sili is villager

 

Sooh is a scum

 

EP is scum lean

 

 

 

 

I haven't seen too much to change my mind since then. I need to reread the pages leading up to the lynch, but I'm happy to run train on those three.

 

 

As far as general thoughts on the game thus far:

 

 

Not comfortable with getting off the fence regarding Verb and Leelou. If pushed I would probably fall off with Leelou scum and Verb town but atm it's pretty much a toss-up imo.

 

I'm alright with Pizza for the moment.

 

I like Cass as town.

 

Krak, could you elaborate on the reasons for your D1 reads/leans; why Pizza is alright and why you like me as Town, at that point, please?

[Leelou]

Don't like Cass posts right now.

 

I've been uncomfortable with her all game. 

[Gabriel Kross]

@EP - We've literally never played together before that I can remember. Unless you played under a different name or something...?

 

Can you give some examples?

 

Like, links preferred because I seriously don't think you're recalling things correctly here.

I don't feel like digging through games but we have played games together. It was over 2 years ago though.

[Leelou]

 

 

 

I get the impression Zanders may have been a vig. shot. Like, between tress and zanders there was a lot more discussion about zanders.

???

 

I get the impression Zander was a PR shot. To get rid of conf Town. But that's just me.

 

Possibly. But if he was a pr he was only a mason, so why not get rid of EP who was definitely 'something'?

 

Doc protection? To kill a peek of a power role?

 

If true the wolf team is pretty savvy, and that makes me think some of the veterans here are wolves.

 

 

 

 

Possibly. But if he was a pr he was only a mason, so why not get rid of EP who was definitely 'something'?

Because EP and Zander were the two somethings joined by a claim. And EP requested Doc protection [not hat I think his request would have been granted or anything] so in theory Zander was the "safer" choice of the two.

 

I requested redirect not doc protection. quite a bit different imo the person who shot zander made a mistake. To be honest of the two of us Zander was a bit lost in the game and the wifom of whether we were or were not masons together was cleared up instead of trying to continue pushing for it during the day. That tells me one of two things, 1 the mafia team were not confident enough that they could run with the WIFOM case or 2 the mafia has someone who is VERY familiar with my playstyle (AJ and Leelou both qualify there) oh and I forgot to add Sooh in my list. It was my partner's gut instinct and the occurances at end of d1 that stood out as questionable to me so let me go ahead and fix my list

 

Krak

Leelou

AJ

Sooh

Thane

Seph

 

 

Dude, I'm not mafia. 

[Gabriel Kross]

 

 

 

 

I get the impression Zanders may have been a vig. shot. Like, between tress and zanders there was a lot more discussion about zanders.

???

 

I get the impression Zander was a PR shot. To get rid of conf Town. But that's just me.

 

Possibly. But if he was a pr he was only a mason, so why not get rid of EP who was definitely 'something'?

 

Doc protection? To kill a peek of a power role?

 

If true the wolf team is pretty savvy, and that makes me think some of the veterans here are wolves.

 

 

 

 

Possibly. But if he was a pr he was only a mason, so why not get rid of EP who was definitely 'something'?

Because EP and Zander were the two somethings joined by a claim. And EP requested Doc protection [not hat I think his request would have been granted or anything] so in theory Zander was the "safer" choice of the two.

 

I requested redirect not doc protection. quite a bit different imo the person who shot zander made a mistake. To be honest of the two of us Zander was a bit lost in the game and the wifom of whether we were or were not masons together was cleared up instead of trying to continue pushing for it during the day. That tells me one of two things, 1 the mafia team were not confident enough that they could run with the WIFOM case or 2 the mafia has someone who is VERY familiar with my playstyle (AJ and Leelou both qualify there) oh and I forgot to add Sooh in my list. It was my partner's gut instinct and the occurances at end of d1 that stood out as questionable to me so let me go ahead and fix my list

 

Krak

Leelou

AJ

Sooh

Thane

Seph

 

 

Dude, I'm not mafia. 

 

then prove it

[Sili Quirrels]

 

Oh, I accidentally pushed the multi-quote button.

 

My thoughts on his post is he sometimes worries to much about being the mislynch, and I wanted to know how Cass was doing.

 

 

In what way?

 

In a are you being analytical in your hydra QT way

[Leelou]

 

 

Dude, I'm not mafia. 

 

then prove it

 

 

Would you like it in song and dance, or a list as soon as I'm done with this stupid project? 

[Andrej]

 

@EP - We've literally never played together before that I can remember. Unless you played under a different name or something...?

 

Can you give some examples?

 

Like, links preferred because I seriously don't think you're recalling things correctly here.

 

I don't feel like digging through games but we have played games together. It was over 2 years ago though.

 

No, I'm serious. I can't remember a single game where we have played together. And I have a pretty long memory when it comes to this stuff.

 

If you're not going to do the research then I probably will later tonight when I get off work. I'll be leaving in about ~20 minutes

[Gabriel Kross]

 

 

 

Dude, I'm not mafia. 

 

then prove it

 

 

Would you like it in song and dance, or a list as soon as I'm done with this stupid project? 

 

both

[Andrej]

While we're on the topic, maybe you can explain a bit more what you meant by that EP.

[Cass]

 

Don't like Cass posts right now.

 

I've been uncomfortable with her all game. 

 

 

Because?

[Leelou]

 

 

Don't like Cass posts right now.

 

I've been uncomfortable with her all game. 

 

 

Because?

 

 

Something about your posting seems off, specifically around Dice. I'm finishing up a project, might have to wait until I get home to pull it up. I said in my horribly colored list that I'm comfortable with monstr, but not you. Not the first time I've mentioned it in game. 

[Verbal32]

 

 

 

Don't like Cass posts right now.

 

I've been uncomfortable with her all game. 

 

 

Because?

 

 

Something about your posting seems off, specifically around Dice. I'm finishing up a project, might have to wait until I get home to pull it up. I said in my horribly colored list that I'm comfortable with monstr, but not you. Not the first time I've mentioned it in game. 

 

 

I'm also looking forward to how you can elaborate on this.

[Leelou]

 

 

 

 

Don't like Cass posts right now.

 

I've been uncomfortable with her all game. 

 

 

Because?

 

 

Something about your posting seems off, specifically around Dice. I'm finishing up a project, might have to wait until I get home to pull it up. I said in my horribly colored list that I'm comfortable with monstr, but not you. Not the first time I've mentioned it in game. 

 

 

I'm also looking forward to how you can elaborate on this.

 

 

It will be more than your post about EP "he most likely is town".  

[alannalynn]

For the vote on Yates?

 

If that's the most suspicious thing in this game hat you can see them my condolences.

That by itself isn't much, but you've also been floating by all game with these little quips that seem off to me. I don't know about your normal gameplay (I will go look when I have time), but your lack of input for the most part, combined with that vote on Yates1 solidified my vote.

 

 

@EP - We've literally never played together before that I can remember. Unless you played under a different name or something...?

 

Can you give some examples?

 

Like, links preferred because I seriously don't think you're recalling things correctly here.

I don't feel like digging through games but we have played games together. It was over 2 years ago though.

 

He's probably thinking about me LOL

[Clovdyx]

Crappy vote count.  Will fix later.

 

AJ - 1 - Krak

Sooh - 1 - Hallia

Talya - 1 - pizza

Hallia - 1 - Laine

 

With 21 alive, it's 12 to lynch.

[Darthe]

Official Vote Count Two:

 

AJ (1/12): Krak

Sooh (1/12): Hally

Talya (1/12): Pizza

Thane (1/12): EP

Hally (1/12): Alannalynn

 

Not Voting (16/21):

Sooh, Alot, AH, Dice, Thane, Verb, Talya, El, Leelou, Sili, Taborline, AJ, Seph, Tina, Batassery, Yates

 

With 21 alive it takes 12 to lynch.  Deadline is at 12:00 PM EST on May 15^th, 2015.

[Niniel]

I´ve again read the thread a little now and then during the day on my phone. This is the first time that I have computer access. I really need a day where I can sit down and re-read stuff. Reading a little here and a little there is just confusing. Here are some random thoughts or things that caught my eye.

 

1. Hally - it felt weird that she jumped in to the game to vote someone when she hadn´t read up. Does she usually do that? It looked pretty much like a bandwagon vote. 

2. Sooh - I still don´t have a clue. She has posted some but nothing has stuck in my mind. She is one of those that I would like to iso. Others have mentioned her. If anyone would like to restate why, I wiould be grateful. 
3. Alot - haven´t been here alot. 
4. Alanna Aiel Heart - Welcome! She hasn´t posted anything so far. 
5. Dice - where is he? He voted me yesterday and then unvoted when others did. That is all that I can remember. Nr 2 to iso.
6. John Snow Yates 2.0 - So Yates 1.0 was apparently town. That doesn´t say much about Yates 2.0. I´ve nothing to say about  the new Yates. 
7. Thane - I really understand why you are frustrated, Thane. It´s tough to keep up with a big game like this. Tells me nothing about his alignment. It looks very easy to vote him. 
8. Verbal - yesterday I got the feeling that he was protecting Yates. I have seen Verbal do that with mafia buddies before. Take the lead (vocally) in voting someone. He gets people to join but when he then find reasons to unvote people follow him on that too and then the other person are sort of cleard. It´s hard for me to explain more than that. Anyway, now Yates turned up town so it´s obvious that Verbal didn´t try to save him because they are mafia together. I´m not sure about him though. There is something, and I don´t think it´s just my usual suspicion that I have every game. Leelou looks townie to me and he thinks she is mafia. Maybe that is why? Idk.
9. Talya - I don´t agree with her suspicions of Sili. But she looks townish. 
10. Eldrick - I have no clue. I know people have talked to and about him but maybe that was when I was focused on Zander? 
11. Leelou - I have a strong feeling that she is town. She puts down a lot of work in a way that I´m not used to seeing when she is mafia. Much more present in the thread. 
12. Sili - had a town read on him from the start and it hasn´t changed. 
13. Krak - ehm... yeh, that´s all I´ve got. 
14. Taborline - haven´t seen anything from her. 
15. Andrej - I had a town read on him yesterday. I still haven´t seen anything obviously mafia. Others seems to have. Please tell me why you think he is mafia?
16. Alannalynn - she has been active but I don´t remember anything she has said except for D1 spam. That could be because I just don´t remember or because she hasn´t said much. Iso object.
17. Tress - Tulkas, Town Vanilla 
18. Zander - Elu Thingol, Town Mason 
19. seph - no idea. 
20. Eternal Phoenix - mason, town. 
21. TinaHel
22. Yates - Faramir, Town Forensic Investigator
23. Cass/Monstr - again, don´t remember much from Cass. Monstr has complained once again that he doesn´t want to play. I think he has done so in every game I have played with him. If you are feeling bad, Monstr, the you should probably take a mafia break. There was some post on D1 that I felt good about him but I can´t remember what. 

24. Pizzaguy - felt very self centred on D1. 

 

 

 

Okay, as you see - no actual reads, more loose thoughts or what I remember without going back. I will go back to this post tomorrow and use it as a base for isoing. I really hope I will, anyway. I´m home with my daughter and it depends on what she wants to do. 

[Leelou]

 

 

 

 

Don't like Cass posts right now.

 

I've been uncomfortable with her all game. 

 

 

Because?

 

 

Something about your posting seems off, specifically around Dice. I'm finishing up a project, might have to wait until I get home to pull it up. I said in my horribly colored list that I'm comfortable with monstr, but not you. Not the first time I've mentioned it in game. 

 

 

I'm also looking forward to how you can elaborate on this.

 

 

Sure...leaving in 10 mins so this will be brief:

 

I don't like that she didn't really get involved with AJ/Yates and sat back and watched. She didn't really add any input to the situation: 

 

 

 

The question was for Hallia but I guess she's gone now.

 

Yes, Yates. I've been rolling the idea around in my head most of the day that he could be scum here. It's a little hard to articulate but I am just getting bad vibes from him. Usually by now I think I would feel reasonably okay about him if he were a villager considering the amount of content he has. The fact that I don't worries me. There's some things he's done that trouble me and I feel like since I am shoring up on some of my villager reads and he is left out of them this is a positive direction for me to move in.

 

For instance, I wasn't particularly fond of the way he reacted to Sooh voting him earlier. The way he postured around Seph and the EP wagons made me uncomfortable then and still does now in light of EP's soft balling and Seph's later profession. He hedged on his read of Zander saying he liked the post but also leaves himself open to possibly move there later. I also think he went over the top complimenting Tina on her posts and I'm curious as to his focus regarding me and my read of her. He also made a comment towards her early on that basically soft balled a town read on her slot. I haven't really decided how I feel about the entire interaction completely but I could see scum!Yates doing this as a pocketing attempt on a town!Tina

 

 

Oh, and the throw away vote on Alot that I forgot to mention. He's done a lot of posturing around some players that were being discussed at the time but I don't get the impression he's really pushing in any direction. For instance he talks about having Seph and EP wagons being a good thing but never really drives either of them. For him later to throw a vote on Alot seems too easy and doesn't come with a lot of accountability.

 

I've noted/been considering most of the same points WRT Yates. Subjectively though, neither of you are coming across as convincingly Town to me. This should be interesting to watch... 

 

 

Also re: Dice...she's cautiously piggybacking on Tress's reads.

 

 

 

Meh.

 

Tried to comment on a couple of things during my lunch break today, but my data network on my phone was being uncooperative and I lost a couple of posts and ran out of time.  Not that there was anything earth-shattering or profund, to be frank.  I'm generally lost D1 in large games, and there are far too many of you in this one that I either can't read well (or at all), or haven't said anything that stuck with me very long.

 

If I were to make a reads list, it would be nearly all null, with a few mild town leans due to gut feelings, and generally completely useless.

 

Not sure on Dice yet, which has me slightly worried - I'm usually pretty sure of him when he's town rather quickly, but I don't know when was the last time I played with him in this size of a game as town so I'm not sure if it's due to the size of the game or the alignment in his role PM.  We were both in the Avengers: Age of Ultron game, which was 24 players, but he was mafia there, so he was characteristically hanging back.  Most of the time when I'm sure about him it's in a smaller game where he's able to be more front and center, but I feel like he's less opinionated this game than I expect from Town!Dice.

 

Other than that, though, my own opinions are hazy, so I can't get on his case too bad.

 

Getting warm fuzzies from Hallia, Seph feels pretty natural to me, I feel like I can follow Tina pretty well, Eldrick isn't striking me as particularly scummy (which is a change, so probably a good thing)... I'm cautiously optimistic about AJ, Verb and Leelou both look townish.

 

Sili and EP both baffle me as always - EP looks to be pulling one of his classic dubiously beneficial schemes, which I guess means he's probably town.

 

I won't be able to wrap my head around much here without a couple of flips to narrow the focus and provide some hard info.  If there's something in particular you'd like to draw my attention to and get my opinion on, I'd actually appreciate the help.  I skimmed most of the day today from work on my phone between actual work, and I'll probably have to go back and re-read chunks of the game to figure out what was important.

 

Cautiously with you on Dice, Tina, Eldrick and maybe even Verb and Leelou so far here Tress (though due to game size I'm happy to give Dice a little longer to warm up before getting too worried).

 

Can you elaborate on what you mean by 'his classic dubiously beneficial schemes'  in the bold on EP? Eg. Can you give me a run-down on EP's usual Town/Scum play as you know it?

 

 

I see a lot of questions coming out of her, but not really what I'm used to seeing from Cass. She's very condensed and I'm just getting a weird feeling.