Avatar The Last Airbender Town and SK wins!

[John Snow]

 

 

 

 

 

 

And who says inactive players on D1 can't be mafia?

That's a lame excuse imo.

the only way this is valid is if there ate a sufficient number of cleared players to use PoE. Otherwise it is praying to the gods of random.org

You're not going to get a bunch of cleared players D1.

Are you against the idea in general or lynching Not Bob specifically?

Who would you pick?

I have been thinking of this, I cannot pick out if this is anti town or not.
As mafia this helps you if your players are active. and is a free mislynch

If I were a wolf then this game would already be in the bag with how it's playing out.

Nobody is getting blind lynched. The point is to rally and force them to start playing under the threat of being hung. Get some reactions and discussion going

 

 

 

ok I agree with you there. lets see how this turns out. [vote]notbob[/v]

 

 

EBWODP 

[v]NotBob[/v]

 

 

Blind lynching is a very bad idea. 

 

 

I agree, and I don't plan to.hoping to get more people in here.

 

Your logic here could use some looking over. 

 

First off I was trying to use meta on both you and turin, I have recently found out that meta why not unreliable, is one of the worst ways to actually scum hunt. ( i have been trying to do research)

If you like I will post a bunch of quotes from both games which I find town/and wolf turin different. I felt the need to make a page long post explaining this is irrelevant, and takes away from actual game conversation. As you are the only one who has not liked my response I will work on this now, and come back to answer your other questions later.

 

Keep in mind that directly after this you case Turin on meta (see below), and your primary defense to Turin has been meta (and you haven't been playing long enough for meta to be a valid argument even if it works. 

 

That was in reference to me saying he is town

Anyone who reads this can see once I vote you, you are tunneling me lol. you go from changing the reasons 2-3 times, and stick on the turin thing for 15 pages. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt because of Turin, I tried to drop it, but your only reason was I had turin town. I believe I have explained in DETAIL FOR YOU. and you alone.  You did come back as town ithi for a day. but it was at me like i expected, and while you questioned others you never once followed up until just now with aj.

Please show me one place in this thread where your actions benefit that of the town. i left yesterday and the page went up by 1 in the matter of 12 hours or longer???  I will not rest until you are lynched, everyone in this thread has noticed you acting differently [unvote]  [vote]Ithi[/v] Don't worry my vote is not leaving until one of us is gone. 

 

I have been really nervous this entire game, why on earth would I come at you if I were scum. I would kill you N1, no questions. The only thing I worry about turrin is he has made me change my mind twice now once in the other game, and this one. It was a really bad feeling and made me shy away.

 

 Posted by Turin Turambar on 18 April 2015 - 07:46 PM in The Black Tower (Social Group)

Seph, I didn't switch back to Darthe. I voted Cory to remind myself he could be mafia trying to place himself above the fray (still possible). Then I voted Ley for his unreasonable (IMO) push at Ithi. I am now voting Darthe because he has refused to give his reasons for any of his reads and he has ignored Ithi's casee on him. He looks to be most mafia of everyone so far. I was actually waiting for Darthe and Zander to come back and explain themselves. Darthe returned but refused to explain. Even a "feels" read would be something. His refusal to say anything  other than to say that others are playing bad is most suspicious.

 

and this  Posted by Turin Turambar on 18 April 2015 - 08:03 PM in The Black Tower (Social Group)

seph, on 18 Apr 2015 - 1:58 PM, said:

I was around Turin I just was taking my fiancee to work, while reading. there was quite a lot of posts in a short amount of time.

 

Okay. Well if you aren't posting it is pretty much assumed that you are not around. Or are lurking which is frowned upon.

 

So i do have him null for now.

 

 

 

Even if I am not lynched here I will probably be NK'ed as I am the only one attempting to move this thread. I am going to lay all my cards out on the table. ithi you are scum I think you played differently this game for a reason, I am not really sure I am believing everything you say because you have this post here.

. Posted by Ithillian on 26 April 2015 - 10:19 PM in DM Mafia Games

Four pages. I think Yates won.

 

Which is referring to what yates said in our other game. you claim you could not handle it elsewhere, and that may be. But here and in the sign up thread it seems like you and turin have been joking about it. With john snow's reference to the distancing, It seemed like that itself was distancing as both of you decided to say you did not receive it that way.

 

I am sure you are scum and I am putting john snow in there, with probably someone who has been more inactive, to answer you question on who I think is mafia.

 

 

the vote on you ment nothing bob

 

See above about that logic. 

 

 

[unvote]

[V] AJ [/v]

You might want to start bussing seph if you want to live.

I am all for AJ / Seph competing trains.

I can see them both as mafia. AJ feels like he is taking the role Cory played in that last BT game. running interference for Seph when he stepped in it early.

Seph. I don't see how you are coming from a town place right now.

 

 

 

Turin you mafia to huh?

No. You are tho. Give up your mafia buddies and maybe we let you live today.

 

this looks like fishy,He also votes aj, as he says he knows I am mafia?  

Aj by no means looks mafia to me, I see a point of ithi's as he could be defending me to look better when I flip. However I will say this, the post I wrote about ithi, while it is how I felt was written very poorly, if he was mafia I felt he would of jumped ship here. He is a Strong town read imo. I have tress and sooh here as well.

 

 

Natural or not OMGUS is anti town. And with regards to your other post the fact that has a mentor who's job it is to keep him from making newbie mistakes like that should be kept in mind.

 

The anti town comment doesn't sit right with me. Also as for the mentor, Dice is not there to control everything I say, He helps me from posts I messed up with, to reads. We are on a different time zone, so he usually will only be on a short while with me. I feel like that is almost a jab at Dice, and I do not appreciate it.

 

Why seph? Because he was my first choice and I've had more interaction from him. Things have changed since though.
 

We were the only interaction for awhile

 

 

Explicate the blue more please. 

 

And care to explain how OMGUS is anything except anti-town?

 

 

I still think there's scum on the early ithi train. It happened too quickly for it to all be town.

The reason I'm still suspicious of seph is he's too eager to join a train. When it happened on the notbob one, it was a red flag for me.

Eldrick I specified why I voted him, It was not anything serious imo, I had no intention of lynching a inactive which I have stated for the third time now. BESIDES HIM, there was Tress which I was making points about. as for voting her, yes it makes it easier to vote people once someone is with you, and as I trust Tress more than anyone inside and outside this game I find it all null, and I don't care how you perceive it.

 

note to self- when you make a point, you better vote or everyone thinks your jumping on a train. Learn something new everyday.

 

 

No, but if you don't vote you should have a good reason. If you bother to case someone and believe the case, and don't have a better case, yeah you should be voting there.

There's a turkish phrase that comes to mind (alright, honestly i picked it up from Civ IV):

If you speak the truth, have a foot in the stirrup. 

 

here is my list anyways. I will attempt to get on early, as it seems when most people are active.

 

scum is john snow

 

mixed eldrick, ithi in that order.

 

null- 

Not Bob

Nolder- not enough here

Sooh- I like her finally taking a stance- slight slight town

turin- I liked your early game, I want to look at some of these later posts more closely

 

slight town 

zander- I liked some of his recent posts, although they were few. 

 

town

Tress

Aj-  his early game was the suspicious part for me. but I feel his mid-late has been very townie.

 

anyways this is were I am as of now. I plan to look at ithi and turin again. but I am fine with my vote.

 

I saw you claimed to have cased me, but when was that exactly?

 

 

 

 

Seph, i am mildly concerned that i'm not on your list

Forget the list. He goes to the block.

 

So I make a case on you and this is what I get back? seems pretty desperate man.

 

Also thane I apologize >< I have you as null atm, I haven't had a chance to iso you 

there was a few I remember being wary of. Nothing jumps out of me atm. I will give a update tomorrow when I have a chance.
going to sleep here soon

 

 

See above.

 

 

 

 

Nope, still like my vote. I don't find the earlier thing as sketchy (see above), but the above plus the general feel of your posts means I like my vote right where it was.

[v]seph[/v]

[John Snow]

 

So IIRC, this is a regular hammer game. not a hybrid hammer. If we can't consolidate 7 votes, will it be a no lynch?

Yup. Rule #9

 

 

Oh hey didn't see that. That makes things less stressful with ~12 hrs on the clock. 

[John Snow]

And I saw there's one or two posts I haven't replied to yet AJ, but it's late and I need to get some sleep. I'll answer them in the am, and I should be around ~2 hrs before deadline if my math is good. 

[John Snow]

 

 

eldrick do you think no one, besides ithi and turin tried to move the game along? I don't believe I saw that when I read the iso, I could of missed it

They are the ones moving the game along that haven't done anything suspicious IMO. Of course they aren't the only ones. You asked for reasonings for my town reads.

I don't like this answer. Town or scum can move the game forward, and I find it pretty vague. Aj has tried to do this on more than one occasion. and was giving reads whenever ithi wrote the aj question game post.

 

i feel aj is a strong player, and I guess he could be fooling me, but me or dice do not see this. He has been actively town.

Day 1 lynches from what I have seen are basically a guessing game. As aj has been attempting to give solid reads, while moving this game forward.everyone has there own opinion and that is fine, but he does not deserve to be a day 1 lynch.

I am asking everyone to read snow, iso him at least and tell me what you think.

The guy parked his vote on me since page 4 and just now removes it?

Serious question. Does anyone at all not find this weird considering his contribution.

 

 

They are however useful for flips and reads based on flips. Hence why inactives are bad D1 lynches. 

 

At this point, lynching me, AJ, or seph would give lots of information about all of D1 interactions. Coincidentally, we all have 2 votes as of last count. 

[seph]

While seph is my strongest candidate, it is highly unlikely he'll be lynched today. I'm going to move my vote, so it doesn't go to waste, being i probably won't be on again before the deadline.

 

AJ is high on my suspect list, and has 2 votes. Seems like the smartest choice.

 

[unvote]

[v]AJ[/v]

I have had hardly any interaction with you and you have me as your highest suspect. Apparently he won't be around to answer any questions I have.

but how do you not attempt to make a case for your strongest suspect? At any point in the game ibmight add.

Instead you are just running up a train, putting it here so it wont go to waste.

I don't feel like this is genuine at all.

this vote placement seems scummy and if aj flips town, even if he doesnt gwt voted. I will look at you more closely than anyone.

[Eldrick4221]

Seph's points about john snow are ringing true. I find that interesting, being I still suspect seph. Is this a W/W thing?

 

Also willing to move my vote over to John Snow, should I wake up and see a train there. For now, sleep.

[Sooh]

 

@mod - I have voted, but you may have already fixed

I had your vote, i just forgot to take you off of the not voting as well.

 

Ah! I missed that bit.. lol

 

 

 

 

No, that's his inexperience

 

Okay. I will agree that a lot of what happened today can be chalked up to a newbie losing his cool.

 

Are you scum?

 

 

Stop misconstruing what I say. The only thing that I attributed only to his newness was that single post. Also, see below. 

 

AJ, my post re Seph was a suggestion. Just trying to help.

 

You trying to give feels reasons for defending him not swaying me.

 

He was frustrated way before the posts you quoted. He was very much sounding like caught mafia that just didn't understand why they were caught. So his pushing back at his detractors is just not ringing true to Me.

 

I really can't believe you trying to Use postcount = town. He posted a bunch as both alignments in the last game. It is just his nature I think. Pushing null things as alignment indicating is a bad argument. Town!AJ rarely Makes bad arguments. You can be wrong but usually logic is sound.

 

^ Rather than say what I was going to, I'll just quote Turin here. No need to make the same argument twice. 

 

Yeah I don't have as much of a grasp on the game as I probably should right now due to my absence but I think it's clear that I'm mainly suspicious of Turin so I'm gonna gun there and hope for the best.

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Turin[/v]

 

Woo, way to contribute to the game Nolder.[/font = sarcasm] But, really, c'mon.

 

 

 

 

Turin you mafia to huh?

No. You are tho. Give up your mafia buddies and maybe we let you live today.

 

this looks like fishy,He also votes aj, as he says he knows I am mafia?  

Aj by no means looks mafia to me, I see a point of ithi's as he could be defending me to look better when I flip. However I will say this, the post I wrote about ithi, while it is how I felt was written very poorly, if he was mafia I felt he would of jumped ship here. He is a Strong town read imo. I have tress and sooh here as well.

 

 

Natural or not OMGUS is anti town. And with regards to your other post the fact that has a mentor who's job it is to keep him from making newbie mistakes like that should be kept in mind.

 

The anti town comment doesn't sit right with me. Also as for the mentor, Dice is not there to control everything I say, He helps me from posts I messed up with, to reads. We are on a different time zone, so he usually will only be on a short while with me. I feel like that is almost a jab at Dice, and I do not appreciate it.

 

 

 

@reply to Turin:

I'm fairly sure that was meant as a joke?

 

@reply to me:

Not a jab at anyone. I said it should be "kept in mind." I also give people less of a free pass when they have a mentor to help them see stuff. 

And anti-town =/= scummy. OMGUS is anti-town because it's a stupid illogical argument that gets nothing accomplished except time wasted and mafia time to get everyone biting at each other's necks. 

 

 

Apologies for my part in that. Now let's put on our happy faces so we can continue trying to kill one another.

 

Like I said, re-read the progression of yesterday in the thread with objectivity and I think you will easily see how I was able to draw such a strong conclusion on Seph, Ithi. If you still disagree and think I know more than I should then okay. That is my argument though and I stand by that.

 

So it's fine if Ithi disagrees with your argument, but if I do I'm scum? *applauds*

 

 

 

1. Zander (mentored by Cory)-Gives a VT claim for no reason then disappears. 

2. Nolder-Useless posts. Has hardly been in the game. 

3. Eldrick

4. Sooh (mentored by Clov)

5. Not Bob-some more explication on your posts would be great, but feeling town vibes

6. Thane

7. Seph (mentored by Dice)-Need I rehash my arguments again?

8. Tress

9. AJ

10. John Snow-pffft, this guy is totally town. Duh. Like the cop vetted him and everything.

11. Ithi-feeling town here

12. Turin-gut feeling again

 

Eldrick, Thane, and AJ I need to analyze their posts more. 

Sooh and Tress I feel haven't really contributed, but I probably need to reread to get a better feel for. I know tress commented a bunch on the Ithi stuff at the start, but I'd like to see more about the current trains from both.

Orange I could totally get on trains for. 

Green is town.

Blue is town. Like mod confirmed town. Totally guys. >.>

Red is mafia. Obviously. 

I think my thoughts on the current trains have been fairly obvious. I have seph as town and Ithi as mafia.

 

***snip***

Turin made his case on Tress super early (that's post #105) for not much more than what seemed to be jokey banter. Perhaps a way of getting a reaction, but keeping his vote there until post # 416 seems like a long time if it was meant as a poke.

 

I'm not sure how he ended up on AJ. Was it Ithi's case that won him over, or what?

 

Turin? Can you elaborate on what makes you think AJ is mafia?

 

AJ starts the game off very fluffy and I can count 4 times of him saying, one way or another, that he is town on the first page of his ISO. As for everything else he has posted, I don't see anything that clearly points to him being mafia, unless just pointing out that Seph doesn't look mafia to him is mafia enough... I can't say either way on AJ yet, so he's a null for me at the moment.

 

If aj doesn't get lynched I'd cop him. Then I'd be able to see the big Un noticed thing I'm apparently missing maybe.

 

Also it's official that I'm still on the sofa and I'm feeling too lazy to do any big fact finding missions tonight. Tbh I think I'd prefer to just have a nice bath and go to bed.

 

Which is bad of me as I said I'd do it but I think it's just not going to get done. Sorry

 

You know.. for someone who is onto others who don't do the reads they said they would this looks rather bad... 

 

It's not that I don't want you to enjoy a good bath, but the lack of commitment thing is weird to me.

 

Also, the whole threatening to look at people who votes you/doesn't vote you thing really only makes you more scummy in my eyes. 

 

Go ahead and look, Ithi...

 

[v]Ithi[/v]

 

Bolded: What point are you making by pointing this out?

 

Overall I'm a bit indifferent about this post. I think you did well enough explaining why you held off with your vote until then in a post after this but I'm fuzzy on what I think your motive here might be.

 

I strongly doubt that Ithi becomes a legitimate lynch candidate by the time dead line passes. Who else would you be willing to vote/are suspicious of?

 

My point and motive is that I would like to leave what I see in the thread so that someone can read my thoughts later and maybe get something out of them. We all notice different things. You're still on my null side at the moment, though with a town lean.

[seph]

wow still on the nolder thing huh...

 

ok thanks thane.

 

And who says inactive players on D1 can't be mafia?

That's a lame excuse imo.

I agree to disagree here. If we can find a mafia that is active, it is better than hoping for a inactive.

And who says inactive players on D1 can't be mafia?

That's a lame excuse imo.

the only way this is valid is if there ate a sufficient number of cleared players to use PoE. Otherwise it is praying to the gods of random.org

You're not going to get a bunch of cleared players D1.

Are you against the idea in general or lynching Not Bob specifically?

Who would you pick?

 

I have been thinking of this, I cannot pick out if this is anti town or not. 

As mafia this helps you if your players are active. and is a free mislynch

 

I was against the idea first off, FOR THE THIRD TIME NOW. anyways, I only voted when aj made it CLEAR his intentions were not to lynch him. As I agreed, and thought it may work I voted. Whether it did or not is up to speculation, but not bob was in here shortly after.

 

hope this can clear it up.

[seph]

 

 

 

 

 

 

And who says inactive players on D1 can't be mafia?

 

That's a lame excuse imo.

the only way this is valid is if there ate a sufficient number of cleared players to use PoE. Otherwise it is praying to the gods of random.org

You're not going to get a bunch of cleared players D1.

 

Are you against the idea in general or lynching Not Bob specifically?

 

Who would you pick?

I have been thinking of this, I cannot pick out if this is anti town or not.

As mafia this helps you if your players are active. and is a free mislynch

If I were a wolf then this game would already be in the bag with how it's playing out.

 

Nobody is getting blind lynched. The point is to rally and force them to start playing under the threat of being hung. Get some reactions and discussion going

 

 

 

ok I agree with you there. lets see how this turns out. [vote]notbob[/v]

 

 

EBWODP 

[v]NotBob[/v]

 

 

Blind lynching is a very bad idea. 

 

 

I agree, and I don't plan to.hoping to get more people in here.

 

Your logic here could use some looking over. 

 

First off I was trying to use meta on both you and turin, I have recently found out that meta why not unreliable, is one of the worst ways to actually scum hunt. ( i have been trying to do research)

If you like I will post a bunch of quotes from both games which I find town/and wolf turin different. I felt the need to make a page long post explaining this is irrelevant, and takes away from actual game conversation. As you are the only one who has not liked my response I will work on this now, and come back to answer your other questions later.

 

Keep in mind that directly after this you case Turin on meta (see below), and your primary defense to Turin has been meta (and you haven't been playing long enough for meta to be a valid argument even if it works. 

 

That was in reference to me saying he is town

Anyone who reads this can see once I vote you, you are tunneling me lol. you go from changing the reasons 2-3 times, and stick on the turin thing for 15 pages. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt because of Turin, I tried to drop it, but your only reason was I had turin town. I believe I have explained in DETAIL FOR YOU. and you alone.  You did come back as town ithi for a day. but it was at me like i expected, and while you questioned others you never once followed up until just now with aj.

Please show me one place in this thread where your actions benefit that of the town. i left yesterday and the page went up by 1 in the matter of 12 hours or longer???  I will not rest until you are lynched, everyone in this thread has noticed you acting differently [unvote]  [vote]Ithi[/v] Don't worry my vote is not leaving until one of us is gone. 

 

I have been really nervous this entire game, why on earth would I come at you if I were scum. I would kill you N1, no questions. The only thing I worry about turrin is he has made me change my mind twice now once in the other game, and this one. It was a really bad feeling and made me shy away.

 

 Posted by Turin Turambar on 18 April 2015 - 07:46 PM in The Black Tower (Social Group)

Seph, I didn't switch back to Darthe. I voted Cory to remind myself he could be mafia trying to place himself above the fray (still possible). Then I voted Ley for his unreasonable (IMO) push at Ithi. I am now voting Darthe because he has refused to give his reasons for any of his reads and he has ignored Ithi's casee on him. He looks to be most mafia of everyone so far. I was actually waiting for Darthe and Zander to come back and explain themselves. Darthe returned but refused to explain. Even a "feels" read would be something. His refusal to say anything  other than to say that others are playing bad is most suspicious.

 

and this  Posted by Turin Turambar on 18 April 2015 - 08:03 PM in The Black Tower (Social Group)

seph, on 18 Apr 2015 - 1:58 PM, said:

I was around Turin I just was taking my fiancee to work, while reading. there was quite a lot of posts in a short amount of time.

 

Okay. Well if you aren't posting it is pretty much assumed that you are not around. Or are lurking which is frowned upon.

 

So i do have him null for now.

 

 

 

Even if I am not lynched here I will probably be NK'ed as I am the only one attempting to move this thread. I am going to lay all my cards out on the table. ithi you are scum I think you played differently this game for a reason, I am not really sure I am believing everything you say because you have this post here.

. Posted by Ithillian on 26 April 2015 - 10:19 PM in DM Mafia Games

Four pages. I think Yates won.

 

Which is referring to what yates said in our other game. you claim you could not handle it elsewhere, and that may be. But here and in the sign up thread it seems like you and turin have been joking about it. With john snow's reference to the distancing, It seemed like that itself was distancing as both of you decided to say you did not receive it that way.

 

I am sure you are scum and I am putting john snow in there, with probably someone who has been more inactive, to answer you question on who I think is mafia.

 

 

the vote on you ment nothing bob

 

See above about that logic. 

 

 

[unvote]

 

[V] AJ [/v]

 

You might want to start bussing seph if you want to live.

 

I am all for AJ / Seph competing trains.

 

I can see them both as mafia. AJ feels like he is taking the role Cory played in that last BT game. running interference for Seph when he stepped in it early.

 

Seph. I don't see how you are coming from a town place right now.

 

 

 

Turin you mafia to huh?

No. You are tho. Give up your mafia buddies and maybe we let you live today.

 

this looks like fishy,He also votes aj, as he says he knows I am mafia?  

Aj by no means looks mafia to me, I see a point of ithi's as he could be defending me to look better when I flip. However I will say this, the post I wrote about ithi, while it is how I felt was written very poorly, if he was mafia I felt he would of jumped ship here. He is a Strong town read imo. I have tress and sooh here as well.

 

 

Natural or not OMGUS is anti town. And with regards to your other post the fact that has a mentor who's job it is to keep him from making newbie mistakes like that should be kept in mind.

 

The anti town comment doesn't sit right with me. Also as for the mentor, Dice is not there to control everything I say, He helps me from posts I messed up with, to reads. We are on a different time zone, so he usually will only be on a short while with me. I feel like that is almost a jab at Dice, and I do not appreciate it.

 

Why seph? Because he was my first choice and I've had more interaction from him. Things have changed since though.

 

We were the only interaction for awhile

 

 

Explicate the blue more please. 

 

And care to explain how OMGUS is anything except anti-town?

 

 

I still think there's scum on the early ithi train. It happened too quickly for it to all be town.

 

The reason I'm still suspicious of seph is he's too eager to join a train. When it happened on the notbob one, it was a red flag for me.

Eldrick I specified why I voted him, It was not anything serious imo, I had no intention of lynching a inactive which I have stated for the third time now. BESIDES HIM, there was Tress which I was making points about. as for voting her, yes it makes it easier to vote people once someone is with you, and as I trust Tress more than anyone inside and outside this game I find it all null, and I don't care how you perceive it.

 

note to self- when you make a point, you better vote or everyone thinks your jumping on a train. Learn something new everyday.

 

 

No, but if you don't vote you should have a good reason. If you bother to case someone and believe the case, and don't have a better case, yeah you should be voting there.

There's a turkish phrase that comes to mind (alright, honestly i picked it up from Civ IV):

If you speak the truth, have a foot in the stirrup. 

 

here is my list anyways. I will attempt to get on early, as it seems when most people are active.

 

scum is john snow

 

mixed eldrick, ithi in that order.

 

null- 

Not Bob

Nolder- not enough here

Sooh- I like her finally taking a stance- slight slight town

turin- I liked your early game, I want to look at some of these later posts more closely

 

slight town 

zander- I liked some of his recent posts, although they were few. 

 

town

Tress

Aj-  his early game was the suspicious part for me. but I feel his mid-late has been very townie.

 

anyways this is were I am as of now. I plan to look at ithi and turin again. but I am fine with my vote.

 

I saw you claimed to have cased me, but when was that exactly?

 

 

 

 

Seph, i am mildly concerned that i'm not on your list

Forget the list. He goes to the block.

 

So I make a case on you and this is what I get back? seems pretty desperate man.

 

Also thane I apologize >< I have you as null atm, I haven't had a chance to iso you 

there was a few I remember being wary of. Nothing jumps out of me atm. I will give a update tomorrow when I have a chance.

going to sleep here soon

 

 

See above.

 

 

 

 

Nope, still like my vote. I don't find the earlier thing as sketchy (see above), but the above plus the general feel of your posts means I like my vote right where it was.

[v]seph[/v]

I am honestly confused If this case took you 5 hours? 

So you Unvote me because you think you made a mistake, shortly after we geSeph doesn't start pinging me until 18-20 which after the Not Bob incident I might add,Then  try to make it your main case.

 

Also you bring up the Turin case, but you seemed absolutely fine with this until you had to start digging.

I explained my vote, and I stated my reasons for my thought early game. I found through researching, that it is the most unlikely way to find scum, though it isn't unreliable. I was simply going off what I had, as I have to start somewhere.

 

I think the Unvote, was you in a Oh crap Oh crap moment. Then realizing how bad it looked, you try to make a case, but you contradict yourself so many times it is ridiculous.

[Thane Vakarian]

could we have a VC, if possible?

[Eldrick4221]

Unofficial Vote Count

 

Ithi (1): Sooh

Seph (2): John Snow

Not Bob (1): Thane

AJ (2): Turin, Ithi, Eldrick

Thane (1): Not Bob

Turin (1): Nolder

John Snow (2): AJ, Seph

 

Not Voting (2): Zander, Tress

 

 

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

 

Deadline is Thursday April 30th @ 4pm.

 

Countdown timer: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20150430T16&p0=3862&fg1=80c2da&fg2=99dbd4&msg=End+of+D1&csz=1

 

Here ya go. Mod can make it official when she gets on, if she feels like it. :)

[seph]

Honestly, I was at work and skimming. I thought I read Eldrick. The fact that it was you was just ironic. 

It's a game. I make jokes. The point is to have fun. Otherwise, people get heated and personal and no one likes that. Well, except the guys over on JN. 

 

Going back to do a full rehash of my case on you now. 

 

I apologize about the following AJ thing. I wasn't sure, hence why I asked someone to check for me. 

After looking at this I in no way think you saw thane, or my name as eldrick.  I'm sorry I just can't believe anything you are saying

 

 

 

 

 

 

Seph, i am mildly concerned that i'm not on your list

Forget the list. He goes to the block.

 

So I make a case on you and this is what I get back? seems pretty desperate man.

 

Also thane I apologize >< I have you as null atm, I haven't had a chance to iso you 

there was a few I remember being wary of. Nothing jumps out of me atm. I will give a update tomorrow when I have a chance.

going to sleep here soon

 

 

I just got home. While I'm at work don't expect me to do more than skim long posts or post more than 2 sentences at a time. 

 

And for Christ's sake, I was making a joke. Thane is a title in Skyrim. In Skyrim, during the intro, right after you make your character, the NPCs say the following:

 

"Captain, what should we do? He's not on the list."

"Forget the list. He goes to the block."

 

I thought the line was close enough.

 

*sigh* You guys take the fun out of everything. 

 

I do not take it as a joke, especially when I am calling you out.

also I mentioned this earlier, I will apparently need spoiler tags when you make a joke.

three things have been called out, and when they are you just refer to them as jokes. (could just be your playstyle, as I don't get it)

 

[Thane Vakarian]

ah, alright.

 

thanks for that. 

 

I doubt the Notbob train will happen, but both of my other suspects have 2 votes;

 

UNVOTE

 

i'll follow the thread and will vote later. 

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

 

eldrick do you think no one, besides ithi and turin tried to move the game along? I don't believe I saw that when I read the iso, I could of missed it

They are the ones moving the game along that haven't done anything suspicious IMO. Of course they aren't the only ones. You asked for reasonings for my town reads.

I don't like this answer. Town or scum can move the game forward, and I find it pretty vague. Aj has tried to do this on more than one occasion. and was giving reads whenever ithi wrote the aj question game post.

 

i feel aj is a strong player, and I guess he could be fooling me, but me or dice do not see this. He has been actively town.

Day 1 lynches from what I have seen are basically a guessing game. As aj has been attempting to give solid reads, while moving this game forward.everyone has there own opinion and that is fine, but he does not deserve to be a day 1 lynch.

I am asking everyone to read snow, iso him at least and tell me what you think.

The guy parked his vote on me since page 4 and just now removes it?

Serious question. Does anyone at all not find this weird considering his contribution.

I wanted to touch base on this cuz it's rattling around in my brain while I'm trying to sleep. I know it's not a strong reason for a town read, and that mafia can move it along too. I don't have a strong lean on them, and I have a scum lean on AJ, even though, he has been moving it along.

 

The only reason they aren't null is they are pushing forward. Sooh is starting to join that group.

[Andrej]

While seph is my strongest candidate, it is highly unlikely he'll be lynched today. I'm going to move my vote, so it doesn't go to waste, being i probably won't be on again before the deadline.

 

AJ is high on my suspect list, and has 2 votes. Seems like the smartest choice.

 

[unvote]

[v]AJ[/v]

  

Seph's points about john snow are ringing true. I find that interesting, being I still suspect seph. Is this a W/W thing?

 

Also willing to move my vote over to John Snow, should I wake up and see a train there. For now, sleep.

Neither of these posts look good for you.

 

First you jump ship as soon as Snow unvotes Seph to move onto me and then you talk about being willing to vote him later. Looks to me that you're just going with the flow and tossing your vote onto whichever wagon.

 

I could definitely rally here and see this dude get lynched.

[Eldrick4221]

EBWOP

Unofficial Vote Count

 

Ithi (1): Sooh

Seph (2): John Snow

Not Bob (1): Thane

AJ (3): Turin, Ithi, Eldrick

Thane (1): Not Bob

Turin (1): Nolder

John Snow (2): AJ, Seph

 

Not Voting (2): Zander, Tress

 

 

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

 

Deadline is Thursday April 30th @ 4pm.

 

Countdown timer: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20150430T16&p0=3862&fg1=80c2da&fg2=99dbd4&msg=End+of+D1&csz=1

 

Here ya go. Mod can make it official when she gets on, if she feels like it. :)

Forgot to change the vote count number lol. When you said "both had 2 votes", I looked back and realised there was only 1 with 2 votes.

[Andrej]

 

 

 

eldrick do you think no one, besides ithi and turin tried to move the game along? I don't believe I saw that when I read the iso, I could of missed it

 

They are the ones moving the game along that haven't done anything suspicious IMO. Of course they aren't the only ones. You asked for reasonings for my town reads.

I don't like this answer. Town or scum can move the game forward, and I find it pretty vague. Aj has tried to do this on more than one occasion. and was giving reads whenever ithi wrote the aj question game post.

i feel aj is a strong player, and I guess he could be fooling me, but me or dice do not see this. He has been actively town.Day 1 lynches from what I have seen are basically a guessing game. As aj has been attempting to give solid reads, while moving this game forward.everyone has there own opinion and that is fine, but he does not deserve to be a day 1 lynch.

I am asking everyone to read snow, iso him at least and tell me what you think.

The guy parked his vote on me since page 4 and just now removes it?

Serious question. Does anyone at all not find this weird considering his contribution.

 

They are however useful for flips and reads based on flips. Hence why inactives are bad D1 lynches. 

 

At this point, lynching me, AJ, or seph would give lots of information about all of D1 interactions. Coincidentally, we all have 2 votes as of last count.

Scum tend to like to argue lynching for info, for the record.

 

While having a direction to move in the following phase is good, the goal for town is to lynch the most likely wolf every time.

[seph]

aj would you rather lynch Snow or eldrick?

[Eldrick4221]

 

While seph is my strongest candidate, it is highly unlikely he'll be lynched today. I'm going to move my vote, so it doesn't go to waste, being i probably won't be on again before the deadline.

 

AJ is high on my suspect list, and has 2 votes. Seems like the smartest choice.

 

[unvote]

[v]AJ[/v]

Seph's points about john snow are ringing true. I find that interesting, being I still suspect seph. Is this a W/W thing?

 

Also willing to move my vote over to John Snow, should I wake up and see a train there. For now, sleep.

Neither of these posts look good for you.

 

First you jump ship as soon as Snow unvotes Seph to move onto me and then you talk about being willing to vote him later. Looks to me that you're just going with the flow and tossing your vote onto whichever wagon.

 

I could definitely rally here and see this dude get lynched.

I knew it would look like that. If this was hybrid hammer, I wouldn't care. But there's a good chance I won't be back on and caught up by deadline. I'm making my vote count while I can. Deal with it.

[Andrej]

aj would you rather lynch Snow or eldrick?

At this point I think Eldrick but I don't want to let John off the hook too easily either.

[Andrej]

Don't worry Eldrick, you'll be dealt with

[Thane Vakarian]

i doubt Eldrick is a wolf this game...

[Sooh]

John Snow  - it's official. I can't read you yet. I know you have cased Seph heavily since then, but when you first voted him because he was in your mind doing stuff that was anti-town or OMGUS - why did you give Zander a newbie pass on the VT claim, but not a newbie pass for Seph sounding OMGUS?

 

 

Let's see.

 

Don't like the game Ithi and Turin are playing with each other. Find it distracting.

 

AJ seems a little more laid back this game than the last time with crossed paths fwiw.

 

Looks like Notbob has been quiet as well which is normal for him early game so that's not a warning sign yet.

 

I see Turin opposed lynching inactives. Makes me wonder if maybe one of his teammates was inactive?

Also noticed that he dodged the question about whether it was just Notbob or all inactives he was against lynching and then when called on it said he'd lynch me for irony.

I appreciate the irony and wouldn't have been upset had that happened but I will note that he stood in the way of Notbob's lynch for inactivity but seemed ok with mine so maybe there is something there after all. To be fair though he chose John Snow over me although I think the relevant part here is Notbob.

 

Thane seems to be going with the flow to me which I don't really like. Maybe it's just me but nothing he's saying really stands out to me as townie who's trying to find scum.

 

Ithi strikes me as legitimately frustrated town. 

 

Seph looks like he's trying hard. That's basically a null tell but I like the effort and recommend keeping him around for a couple days at least. 

 

Nolder - There's not much from you yet, but you sounded like you thought Thane, Turin and NotBob were the most suspicious here. Was this the basis for your Turin vote, or are there other things you have seen that made you vote him too?

[Andrej]

I don't but I have noticed you both are town reading each other.

 

Why do you doubt it?

[Thane Vakarian]

i had played with him in 2 games before, both of those he was wolf. He seems to play diffirently this one for me, hence i doubt he's wolf.