Avatar The Last Airbender Town and SK wins!

[seph]

EBWODP saw anything about them

[Andrej]

-snip-

You will note that one of the things that perked my ears if you will about tress was her banter with ... Wait for it... AJ. That suspicion was on both of them. AJ has had other similar incidents during the game. The one I am most suspicious of currently is with Nolder. There was some small convo and AJ immediately puts Nolder as a green read. He lowers Nolder on his published read list for being inactive but doesn't include Nolder in the let's lynch pool. Now he is giving credit to Nolder for being clever and noting something(I assume the false connection Nolder made between me and NotBob) that is a misrep.

 

You yourself noted how he pushed himself as lock clear. anyone trying to proclaim themself lick clear sets my teeth on edge. When it happened I was still distracted with Ithi so I didn't bring it up but I did note it. you also note his Seph defense. AJ admits he doesn't know Seph from Adam. This is the first game they have played together. I don't see going from suspect to solid town in this case was genuine. There were lots of little defenses along the way. I think these were intended as AJ would have seen Seph as lynchbait but more valuable to make himself look good in the long run.

 

Right now I think mafia are AJ, Nolder. Not sure of the third yeT.

 

if both of them are then I would look at NotBob on the chance Nolder slipped.

 

1st bold: The credit comes from Nolder picking up on something without being prompted that I also had a similar thought on when it went down. There was a reason I asked you very pointedly whether you were against lynching Not Bob specifically or just lynching inactives in general after your first response on the topic.

 

2nd bold: You're right, I don't know Seph that well. I also don't think it takes someone of remarkable skill to be able to read a player's posts in a game about analyzing to make a decision on how they feel about that player. My opinion of Seph is that he's very raw and unrefined right now, which is understandable seeing as how this is his second game, but that is what also makes him very transparent. I think part of what helped me was the fact that I wasn't involved directly with the argument and had an outside view of it as it happened. Much like I told Ithi, if you look back and remove your personal bias from the situation because you were in the middle of it, you'll probably be able to see where I am coming from and find that my conclusion really isn't that remarkable. Are you going to start eyeballing everyone who says they think Seph could be town as well? There are several now who have voiced the same opinion. If your beef is that I threw up a roadblock to your efforts when I realized the heat was coming down onto a likely townie (and thus allowing others to join in, see Eldrick) then frankly you should build a bridge and get over it.

 

Seph. I am not quite sure I am understanding that paragraph about the last game. if I am totally.misreading your post please tell Me.

 

I am thinking you are saying that after you replaced back into the game as mafia after getting killed as town you made a reads list that convinced people you were town.

 

It was a good list I will say that you had some things going for you. First I think you didn't have to adjust many reads which made you very believable. Also, your slot was mostly being town read. Finally, we had Cory doing an awesome job of keeping us clear.

 

That all said, what was your point? If it is a good read list can boost your town cred, I won't disagree.

 

I'll take a stab at this one. Earlier you said that Seph posts the same amount as either alignment when I mentioned to Snow that him being the post count leader and not named TommyRod was probably a good sign that he was wearing his villager pants.

 

I think the point of his post that you're responding to here was to correct you by stating that when he returned into the BT game in BFG's slot (as mafia) that he basically coasted on the momentum you, Cory and Yates had built and therefore didn't post as much. In essence, he's calling you out for making a bogus statement in his own jumbled hard to understand way.

[Thane Vakarian]

Seph, i am mildly concerned that i'm not on your list

[John Snow]

Seph, i am mildly concerned that i'm not on your list

Forget the list. He goes to the block.

[Thane Vakarian]

i have someone else i suspect more for the moment...

[seph]

 

 

Seph, i am mildly concerned that i'm not on your list

Forget the list. He goes to the block.

 

So I make a case on you and this is what I get back? seems pretty desperate man.

 

Also thane I apologize >< I have you as null atm, I haven't had a chance to iso you 

there was a few I remember being wary of. Nothing jumps out of me atm. I will give a update tomorrow when I have a chance.
going to sleep here soon

[Andrej]

 

 

No, that's his inexperience

 

Okay. I will agree that a lot of what happened today can be chalked up to a newbie losing his cool.

 

Are you scum?

 

Stop misconstruing what I say. The only thing that I attributed only to his newness was that single post. Also, see below.

What am I misconstruing? You said the OMGUS came because he's new. I agreed. I also added that I thought a lot of his behavior that he was catching heat over were due to his inexperience as well.

 

 

AJ, my post re Seph was a suggestion. Just trying to help.

 

You trying to give feels reasons for defending him not swaying me.

 

He was frustrated way before the posts you quoted. He was very much sounding like caught mafia that just didn't understand why they were caught. So his pushing back at his detractors is just not ringing true to Me.

 

I really can't believe you trying to Use postcount = town. He posted a bunch as both alignments in the last game. It is just his nature I think. Pushing null things as alignment indicating is a bad argument. Town!AJ rarely Makes bad arguments. You can be wrong but usually logic is sound.

 

^ Rather than say what I was going to, I'll just quote Turin here. No need to make the same argument twice.

 

Which argument are you referring to here? I would also appreciate it if you did state your own thoughts, instead of just piggy backing onto what Turin said.

 

 

Apologies for my part in that. Now let's put on our happy faces so we can continue trying to kill one another.

 

Like I said, re-read the progression of yesterday in the thread with objectivity and I think you will easily see how I was able to draw such a strong conclusion on Seph, Ithi. If you still disagree and think I know more than I should then okay. That is my argument though and I stand by that.

 

So it's fine if Ithi disagrees with your argument, but if I do I'm scum? *applauds*

Where are you getting this from? Not once have I said that anyone who disagrees with my argument is scum. In fact, there is actually a very glaring lack of commentary from you on the subject. Most players have stated their opinion on it one way or the other, but seeing as how you were around last night after I had posted everything and instead decided only to respond on the OMGUS issue, I find your lack of a reaction to it to be troublesome. One thing that I have learned to look for is fluidity in a player as the game state changes and I don't see much from you.

 

The reasons why I have you as scum are pretty simple. Firstly, I think your original reasoning for voting Seph was bad. I pointed it out when it happened. When I questioned you on it again at a later point and stated that I disagreed you just doubled down. Since then you have kept your vote very firmly in place with little to no progression in your reads from what I can see. When you are on and posting, I don't see you pushing your suspect, instead you are often making commenting about other topics such as the merits of not claiming early or how OMGUS is not a good move, etc. None of which are exclusively progressive in hunting mafia and also serve as an easy talking point for you to preach about and make 'pro-town' statements.

 

Now that you have actually provided some reads, I take issue with them as well. For one, all of your suspects seem like easy picks for me.

 

You have been parked on Seph for the entirety of this phase but fail to reiterate any of the points you might have as to why.

 

You have Nolder listed because you say he hasn't made any useful posts. I would disagree on this point and instead question how closely you're actually paying attention. Although brief, I think Nolder's posts today offered some insight that he is paying attention to the potential sub-surface moves of the game. At the very least, his thinking is several levels deeper than 'he voted a player only after someone else voted them first'.

 

Lastly, Zander. I mean - what's to really say here besides low hanging fruit at its finest?

 

Iirc you followed aj to notbob and ithis trains earlier

 

Incorrect, I never voted Ithi this game. For me, this is some strikingly bad thread recall considering the crux of your scum read on Seph began with the whole 9 minutes in Hell thing.

[Eldrick4221]

hmm I can't seem to find it so please strike that from my post there, It is late, If I find it tomorrow I will say something, pretty sure I was just wrong.

 

Eld could you explain you town votes please? I don't think I saw anything in there about him.

 

I was curious though Eld, when you came in the thread you said all three votes could not be fake votes? I was curious because later when zander voted fufu(yes I no it isn't game relevant) you said can never be to late with fake votes. 

 

I am just curious, I am not sure it is that big of deal.

I thought I already did. I have played 2 games with Thane. One we were scum together, and one he was town. He is playing like he was in the town game, ergo I have him as town.

 

I've felt Ithi and Turin are actively trying to move the thread along. That is a town thing to do IMO.

 

I don't have a strong town read on anyone yet.

[John Snow]

 

 

 

Seph, i am mildly concerned that i'm not on your list

Forget the list. He goes to the block.

 

So I make a case on you and this is what I get back? seems pretty desperate man.

 

Also thane I apologize >< I have you as null atm, I haven't had a chance to iso you 

there was a few I remember being wary of. Nothing jumps out of me atm. I will give a update tomorrow when I have a chance.

going to sleep here soon

 

 

I just got home. While I'm at work don't expect me to do more than skim long posts or post more than 2 sentences at a time. 

 

And for Christ's sake, I was making a joke. Thane is a title in Skyrim. In Skyrim, during the intro, right after you make your character, the NPCs say the following:

 

"Captain, what should we do? He's not on the list."

"Forget the list. He goes to the block."

 

I thought the line was close enough.

 

*sigh* You guys take the fun out of everything. 

[Thane Vakarian]

ahh... it's been too long since i played that bloody game... never finished it, i think, too many side quests i did

[John Snow]

Wait I just realized something. I think seph has just been following aj for a while. Could someone check their votes? I would, but I'm at work and on mobile

 

Obviously I was wrong on this point. I wasn't sure, hence why I asked someone to check.

[seph]

eldrick do you think no one, besides ithi and turin tried to move the game along? I don't believe I saw that when I read the iso, I could of missed it

[Andrej]

Well this smells dirty as hell

 

 

 

 

Vote Ithi

Because that distancing >.>

 

I'm excited. It's good to be back

OMG you're here too. It's like we're getting the band back together. Actually can I choose you instead of AJ. We can talk about the vote later and stuff.

Cool, see you on the QT?

 

Also, I know nothing about avatar, so here's to hoping the scenes aren't relevant

Not sure how to feel here.

 

Ithi I understand you haven't seen him in awhile. But Why did you let two pokes and a vote go. Me and fufu need mafia hunting ithi.

 

No reason not to vote then.

 

I like this, seph.

 

If Ithi isn't in the mood to kickstart this game, how about this?

 

[v]Ithi[/v]

 

4 minutes later jumps on an easy reason to start running up a train, but could just be agreeing with it. Still seems scummy.

 

It has to start somewhere.

[v]ithi[/v]

I feel like john was joking about the qt comment. Anyone else feel the same? It just seemed awkward.

 

Now this is really scummy. Once someone else is willing to vote he (she? I don't know you sorry) jumps right on.

Unvote, vote seph

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[seph]

 

 

 

 

Seph, i am mildly concerned that i'm not on your list

Forget the list. He goes to the block.

 

So I make a case on you and this is what I get back? seems pretty desperate man.

 

Also thane I apologize >< I have you as null atm, I haven't had a chance to iso you 

there was a few I remember being wary of. Nothing jumps out of me atm. I will give a update tomorrow when I have a chance.

going to sleep here soon

 

 

I just got home. While I'm at work don't expect me to do more than skim long posts or post more than 2 sentences at a time. 

 

And for Christ's sake, I was making a joke. Thane is a title in Skyrim. In Skyrim, during the intro, right after you make your character, the NPCs say the following:

 

"Captain, what should we do? He's not on the list."

"Forget the list. He goes to the block."

 

I thought the line was close enough.

 

*sigh* You guys take the fun out of everything. 

 

I do not take it as a joke, especially when I am calling you out.

also I mentioned this earlier, I will apparently need spoiler tags when you make a joke.

three things have been called out, and when they are you just refer to them as jokes. (could just be your playstyle, as I don't get it)

[John Snow]

Honestly, I was at work and skimming. I thought I read Eldrick. The fact that it was you was just ironic. 

It's a game. I make jokes. The point is to have fun. Otherwise, people get heated and personal and no one likes that. Well, except the guys over on JN. 

 

Going back to do a full rehash of my case on you now. 

 

I apologize about the following AJ thing. I wasn't sure, hence why I asked someone to check for me. 

[Eldrick4221]

eldrick do you think no one, besides ithi and turin tried to move the game along? I don't believe I saw that when I read the iso, I could of missed it

They are the ones moving the game along that haven't done anything suspicious IMO. Of course they aren't the only ones. You asked for reasonings for my town reads.

[seph]

I just wanted to try to figure out your train of thought. working on seeing it from the other persons perspective.

[Songstress]

Wheeeee....  feeling a good bit better tonight than I was this morning (which is great, because I can't call in sick again tomorrow )

 

Just did 6 ISOs, and my brain is mush.  It's helping me clarify my thoughts so it's worth doing... unfortunately 4 of the 5 people who are left are the 4 top posters in the game

 

Going to bed now, my notes are saved and ready to post in the morning once I flesh out those final 5.  

[John Snow]

Well [redacted].

 

I'm halfway through the thread and don't buy my case anymore. 

 

I saw something halfway sketchy and jumped on it. I was excited for my first game of mafia in a very long time. 

AJ questioning me just made me dig in. 

 

I'll keep going through just in case the case holds muster later, but for now [unvote]

[John Snow]

Ugh. Around page 18-20 he starts pinging again. I'm all over the place right now. :(

 

I'll be back in like an hour guys. I need some time to clear my head and think straight and digest all of this. 

 

<- is exasperated. 

[Eldrick4221]

So IIRC, this is a regular hammer game. not a hybrid hammer. If we can't consolidate 7 votes, will it be a no lynch?

[Eldrick4221]

So IIRC, this is a regular hammer game. not a hybrid hammer. If we can't consolidate 7 votes, will it be a no lynch?

Yup. Rule #9

[Eldrick4221]

While seph is my strongest candidate, it is highly unlikely he'll be lynched today. I'm going to move my vote, so it doesn't go to waste, being i probably won't be on again before the deadline.

 

AJ is high on my suspect list, and has 2 votes. Seems like the smartest choice.

 

[unvote]

[v]AJ[/v]

[Thane Vakarian]

i'll be around for the coming 7 hours, more or less. At work, so i'll see what i can do. 

[seph]

 

 

eldrick do you think no one, besides ithi and turin tried to move the game along? I don't believe I saw that when I read the iso, I could of missed it

They are the ones moving the game along that haven't done anything suspicious IMO. Of course they aren't the only ones. You asked for reasonings for my town reads.

I don't like this answer. Town or scum can move the game forward, and I find it pretty vague. Aj has tried to do this on more than one occasion. and was giving reads whenever ithi wrote the aj question game post.

 

i feel aj is a strong player, and I guess he could be fooling me, but me or dice do not see this. He has been actively town.

Day 1 lynches from what I have seen are basically a guessing game. As aj has been attempting to give solid reads, while moving this game forward.everyone has there own opinion and that is fine, but he does not deserve to be a day 1 lynch.

I am asking everyone to read snow, iso him at least and tell me what you think.

The guy parked his vote on me since page 4 and just now removes it?

Serious question. Does anyone at all not find this weird considering his contribution.