Warehouse 13 Mafia- Mafia Wins!

[dicetosser1]

just in case they do decide to leave verbal alive

 

unllike wombat i am thinking a leelou lily mafia team. and i still have hally on my radar. that last little thing could be humor could be an attempt to be grouped with Town.

[Hallia]

Ugh, Dice I can't even. You've been sniping at me allllll game. You gonnaake a case? or

[Hallia]

Gonna make*

[Hallia]

I'm not sure how to feel about that hammer from Cass. With her bomb threat one thinks town would've been more cautious. Scum would know she wasn't a bomb and hammer for cred.

[Hallia]

 

They hate us cause they ain't us

Don't even care if you're scum - this game has been a pleasure seeing you active and snarky. Lynch Pral with a clear conscience and keep rockin'.

I sure will! It's been fun playing with you as well! Rest easy though, I'm town.

[dicetosser1]

Ugh, Dice I can't even. You've been sniping at me allllll game. You gonnaake a case? or

 

ive said what i think and yes its not concrete. You have moved down a bit but i am still watching you.

 

I'm not sure how to feel about that hammer from Cass. With her bomb threat one thinks town would've been more cautious. Scum would know she wasn't a bomb and hammer for cred.

 

Im not sure Cass would know what she was talking about actually

[Hallia]

She does have a mentor.

[Hallia]

And also, if scum would have a team to talk to.

[Verbal32]

FYI, I don't think Pral is scum here.  With Leelou at L-1 in a hybrid hammer game, it would be suicidal for him to suddenly vote me as scum to "defend" a mafia goon.  Makes no sense.

 

Don't lynch Pral tomorrow.  I was hoping to get more discussion from people on it, but I don't want to die without dropping that nugget for you peeps.

[Eldrick4221]

I'm glad I was right about Verb. My strongest town leans, Sili and Verb, were both right. It makes me happy :)

[Eldrick4221]

I completely missed the bomb comments. I had to go back and re-read to see what you guys were talking about.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

FYI, I don't think Pral is scum here.  With Leelou at L-1 in a hybrid hammer game, it would be suicidal for him to suddenly vote me as scum to "defend" a mafia goon.  Makes no sense.

 

Don't lynch Pral tomorrow.  I was hoping to get more discussion from people on it, but I don't want to die without dropping that nugget for you peeps.

 

He deserves the lynch for not denying Yates but I can be persuaded to vote Eldrick.

 

Any other words to live by?

[Eldrick4221]

 

FYI, I don't think Pral is scum here.  With Leelou at L-1 in a hybrid hammer game, it would be suicidal for him to suddenly vote me as scum to "defend" a mafia goon.  Makes no sense.

 

Don't lynch Pral tomorrow.  I was hoping to get more discussion from people on it, but I don't want to die without dropping that nugget for you peeps.

 

He deserves the lynch for not denying Yates but I can be persuaded to vote Eldrick.

 

Any other words to live by?

 

Of course you could. You somehow got it into your head that's I'm scum, and just can't let up on it. Are you always this tunnel-visiony?

[Verbal32]

 

FYI, I don't think Pral is scum here.  With Leelou at L-1 in a hybrid hammer game, it would be suicidal for him to suddenly vote me as scum to "defend" a mafia goon.  Makes no sense.

 

Don't lynch Pral tomorrow.  I was hoping to get more discussion from people on it, but I don't want to die without dropping that nugget for you peeps.

 

He deserves the lynch for not denying Yates but I can be persuaded to vote Eldrick.

 

Any other words to live by?

 

 

"Is the Ape dead yet?"

[BFG]

I'll be honest, I'm not finding anyone overtly scummy this game. So I'm working via a POE and hope that solves.

 

At the moment this is based on Day 1, the lynch yesterday and occasional posts/pages read before I subbed in from Day 2 onwards. I'd rather catch up fully before offering proper reads but I've got to do some work tonight, so I probably won't be able to catch up any more than I am already tonight, but I'll keep a tab open if anyone's around to chat.

 

 

Eldrick - there are a number of reasons for this, and admittedly I may be underestimating how much experience he has. He sheeped Sili onto Leelou Day 1, and Leelou ended up with her vote on him end Day 1 as well. There have been a few posts from Eldrick that I believe more likely to come from Town as well, in particular the post where he assumes that those that don't hit triggers are likely to be vanilla or mafia - it's the same post where he talks about lynching a mason, I struggle to see a mafia mindset posting the same two things in  the same post. Finally and most importantly Leelou was actively pushing for him to get lynched.

 

Hallia - If Hallia is mafia then complete kudos for managing to play two  games as mafia with a completely different tone/feel/activity in both. In the cliche game Hallia ducked/dodged and laughed off suspicion, this game she confronted it straight on. I really don't like/understand the pressure from the 'or goon' comment, and while I understand what I've read so far about Hallia's activity at EoD I don't really agree with it; Hallia takes heat in a lot of games because she doesn't 'build' cases the conventional way. She isn't blue because so far a lot of her play that I've seen has centered around herself (not meant in a narcissistic sort of way). I need to read Day 2 to see how her progression on Wombat goes. A few of her snarky comments were a reliable Hallia!Town tell, but that may be outdated now.

 

Dice - I liked his aggressiveness Day 1, but there's a massive disconnect between the end of his Day 1 where he's focused on Hallia and Day 3 when he comes back from camping and doesn't mention Hallia at all when he votes Lily and FoS's Leelou, both for #reasons. He later points out an inconsistency in Leelou's posting (which starts Verb rolling), doesn't 'like' Leelous response and votes Leelou, comes back indignant about the 'easy' targets. Says that he 'really' needs to dig back through what he missed (so where's the mafia read come from?) It's possible/probable that Day 2 resolves this, but for now this is where he is.

 

Pral - null, but town end of it. Given that Pral has previously mafia read his entire team before (all strong players) I'm not able to entirely clear him off his vote yesterday, nor does going along with Yates gambit clear him. I disagree with him on the Sili read, but if Pral hasn't played with Sili before it might be because of that.

 

Wombat - null, but town end. I disagree with Verbs point about Wombat not jumping on the easy train on Alanna, from what I recall after Arsis's post there wasn't much doubt that Alanna would be lynched, voting elsewhere would be easy to do and the vote could always be moved to Alanna if necessary. Leelou following(?) Verb Day 2 looks good for him though. I also don't get his position on Hallia - specifically the 'don't know what to make of it' when Hallia votes Leelou.

That leaves me with:

 

Notbob - I don't have anything to clear him on. I don't think his trolling is alignment indicative, based on what I remember from Avengers. However his mafia reads seem to be people he thinks play 'badly' which I'm not sure he believes is the same as scummy. Avoided what looks to me as town-town violence Day 1.

 

Lily - I don't remember much from Lily so far, although she did mention jury duty and that she'd be quiet, but I've found it interesting that a few of my town reads recieved heat for something that she also did and didn't get heat for. Admittedly most of the 'heat' was generated by town (Yates on Hallia), but still.

 

Cass - from what I've seen so far she reads as incredibly cautious and guarded, however a couple of people have talked about liking her questions/cases, so maybe Day 2 will change my mind. I don't understand how she can like peoples posts, think they have good tone and have them as null - but I think this is a fundamental difference in how we approach the game, so unfortunately not alignment indicative. She's also the one who broke the 3 way tie between mafia and town towards town. I did like her gut read on Dice, but it seems out of place with the rest of her nulls-near nulls. Avoided what looks to me to be town-town violence Day 1.

 

One of the obvious problems with this game solve is that it means Eldrick would have been hard pushed by 3 mafia, Leelou, Cass and NotBob, which seems unlikely, so I suspect I'm misclearing someone for something.

[BFG]

I just ISO's Lily to check some stuff she'd said early Day 1, and this sort of jumped out because of the font size.
 

My current reads:
 
Town reads – Dice, Eldrick, Pral (buying the mason claim for now), Hallia, Cass, Sili, Yates (ditto), Not Bob, Verbal
 
Rest of the group where scum is likely to be found – Leelou, Alanna, Thane, Dawn, Sooh, Wombat

 
 

This is where I'm at for now. I confess, the reads are mostly gut at this point.
 
Town reads – Pral (buying the mason claim for now), Cass, Yates (ditto), Not Bob, Verbal, Leelou, Eldrick
 
Rest of the group where scum is likely to be found –Nolder, Sooh, Wombat, Hallia, Alanna, Dice

 
 

I've been thinking all along that the Hallia/Alanna thing was town on town, but that post of Alanna's pinged, and I'm reconsidering.

First time I read her reads I liked the off the cuff nature of them, I don't like that the second group is identical, I feel like something should have shifted.

Given there's a 30 minute time gap between the posts, I'm not sure what could have changed in that time (although I guess I'll now be going to have a look)

[BFG]

So inbetween Alanna quotes a bunch of posts from Hallia, but otherwise it seems similar to stuff that was already being said from Sili's lynch, so nothing to explain the change. However just before Lily posts about them being town/town Leelou posts this which makes me pause a little.  Lily can you explain your reads/change thereof?

 

 

 

 

 

Before we lynch Wombat, can we hear from Nolder, Sooh, and Cass? I think having their opinions on the Wombat wagon will be helpful later.

 

I second this.

 

The more I sit on the prospect of Wombat being scum, the more I'm feeling he's not. I don't think it's true that he always vote-hops on Day 1 as town. He does sometimes, but not all the time. Whether he does it less as scum, I'm not sure. I would love it if someone could point me to a scum!Wombat game in the last year or so. He was scum in Nolder's Shire game, but he also said before the game started that he wouldn't be very active and he wasn't, so I don't think it's a good example of a typical Day 1 for him as scum. Before that, I think the last time I played with him and he was scum was Lily's Disney game - nearly a year ago - and he was recruited like, Night 2 or something, so that doesn't count either.

 

And the distinction between what he said about Sili's frustrated tone sounding like someone who was caught, versus what he said about Sili should be getting frustrated at EOD - I get that completely. He was saying two different things there.

 

I don't know. He's still mostly null to me, but I won't lynch him while he's null.

 

 

If Wombat flips scum, this post isn't going to look good. 

 

 

I was just going to say that. A few things Alanna have said really aren't sitting right with me. 

 

[BFG]

Anyways sort of around to chat, and I'll try and catch up the rest of the thread asap, at the moment it feels like spoilers reading ahead :)

[BFG]

I just ISO's Lily to check some stuff she'd said early Day 1, and this sort of jumped out because of the font size.

 

My current reads:

 

Town reads – Dice, Eldrick, Pral (buying the mason claim for now), Hallia, Cass, Sili, Yates (ditto), Not Bob, Verbal

 

Rest of the group where scum is likely to be found – Leelou, Alanna, Thane, Dawn, Sooh, Wombat

This is where I'm at for now. I confess, the reads are mostly gut at this point.

 

Town reads – Pral (buying the mason claim for now), Cass, Yates (ditto), Not Bob, Verbal, Leelou, Eldrick

 

Rest of the group where scum is likely to be found –Nolder, Sooh, Wombat, Hallia, Alanna, Dice

I've been thinking all along that the Hallia/Alanna thing was town on town, but that post of Alanna's pinged, and I'm reconsidering.

First time I read her reads I liked the off the cuff nature of them, I don't like that the second group is identical, I feel like something should have shifted.

 

Given there's a 30 minute time gap between the posts, I'm not sure what could have changed in that time (although I guess I'll now be going to have a look)

There goes my reading comprehension. Reads do shift, but she has Sili as town in the first group but votes him because she thought he was off and people agreed.

 

Back properly when I can concentrate without distraction.

[BFG]

Lily Day 1 ISO

 

(stopping there cos everything else will be out of context)

 

 

 

I agree that Yates claiming this early is a bad idea. I can't see how it benefits town and it certainly doesn't clear him and Pral. 

 

first of the things she doesn't take heat for, heat driven by town though.

 

Eldrick, if you keep focusing on the distraction instead of the game, you're going to get my vote as well. 

 

 

 

 

Eldrick, if you keep focusing on the distraction instead of the game, you're going to get my vote as well. 

 

Is Sili scum?

 

 

I never understand half of what he says, but I don't think so yet. 

 

 

Sili isn't scummy, but she does say she doesn't understand him.

 

I don't like Yates' attitude. How is it pro-town to only work to protect yourself? Stop defending your claim and actually scum hunt. 

 

 

 

I like the vibe you're putting out right now Lily.  What're your thoughts on anyone else?

 

I'm feeling town on Eldrick and you. Of course, it is only day one, so they are tentative reads at this point. Not Bob seems okay, too, for now, 

 

 

This surprised me in her reads, the only other interaction she has with Eldrick seems to find him potentially scummy, so it seems odd for her to have him as an early town read.

 

 

Fair enough.

 

Could you explain your take on not bob?

 

At this point, all I have are gut feelings. He seems okay so far, but that could change as he posts more. 

 

 

 

 

@ eldrick  re yates    try factoring in HOW he did it. he did it early  he gave specifics  and his tone is clean.

 

has he been defensive??  yes he has but that's cause people have this idea that lynching claimed masons D1 is a good thing. Its not.  Do we need to watch them in case we are getting scammed? Its YATES! of COURSE we do but if their play doesn't back their claim then we relook at them but definetly not D1.  especially as, unless we get a Power role claim yates is a prime candidate for NK tonight.

 

 

right now im thinking you are mafia too

 

I see your pov. Maybe D1 isn't the best time to confirm the masons. Or rather, the surviving one. And if the mafia is smart, they won't kill one of them either. That would confirm the other one for us and spare us the lynch. They will eventually need to be confirmed, but I'm okay with it not being day one. 

 

 

Second of the things that she doesn't take heat for. Eldrick posted the lynch the mason idea and dropped it due to unpopularity/explanation that it was a bad idea. Lily seems to have considered the lynch a mason idea, and dropped it due to people explaining that it was a bad idea, yet nobody has commented (yet anyway)

 

I don't like any of the trains at the moment. I'm going to vote Dawn to see if it draws her out.  Yates' lynch would probably give us the most info, but I don't want to go there day one. 

 

Vote Dawn

 

 

 

 

I don't like any of the trains at the moment. I'm going to vote Dawn to see if it draws her out.  Yates' lynch would probably give us the most info, but I don't want to go there day one. 

 

Vote Dawn

 

 

Re.

 

 

Might need another replacement. Dawn hasn't checked in yet or read the PM.

 

 

Oh, I didn't see that. Now, I have to figure out where to vote again. I have some townie reads, but no scum reads at this point. 

 

Not Bob, what is DM theory?

 

 

 

Oh. 

 

Unvote

 

 

 

 

[snip (to get it in one post)] - Lily says she can sometimes read people she's familiar with

 

 

Fair enough.

 

Could you explain your take on not bob?

 

At this point, all I have are gut feelings. He seems okay so far, but that could change as he posts more. 

 

 

Lily, what is your gut impression of NotBob now? When you say 'okay' do you mean 'null', or 'more likely Town'?

 

 

Null to town. He really hasn't posted enough for me to put him solidly in the town category yet. 

 

 

 

My current reads:

 

Town reads – Dice, Eldrick, Pral (buying the mason claim for now), Hallia, Cass, Sili, Yates (ditto), Not Bob, Verbal

 

Rest of the group where scum is likely to be found – Leelou, Alanna, Thane, Dawn, Sooh, Wombat

 

 

I'm in the same boat as Thane here. I would like to vote for information, since I have no scum reads, but there really isn't anyone who would give us good info, either. I'll try to get back on by deadline. 

 

And people, I said in the signup thread that I would be this active, so if it's a problem for you, that would have been the time to speak up. 

 

 

[V]No lynch[/v]

 

I would normally never do this day one, but this time it seems the thing to do. 

 

 

I haven't caught up the whole thread, but I haven't had a good feeling about Sili, either. I thought maybe it was because I don't understand him, but if so many others feel the same way, I'll vote there. 

 

Unvote

Vote Sili

 

Since her reads were 'gut' reads I don't really understand why she took Sili out of her POE if she was uneasy about him.

 

 

 

So no specific and good reason. Just generic: this guy feels like scum after 5 days and 150 posts.

Dice, thing with voting me if you're town right now is you want a good reason because if you're wrong you're lynching a power role day 1. Right now the people who are voting me... they don't really have a good reason.

Wombat has had it in for me since his first post. Granted he put work in, but only after I requested it, and in my opinion his arguments are questionable at the very best.
Alanna has kept me as a yellow read all game, for 'reasons'. I saw this coming.
Cass is voting me because 'reasons' that I asked her to clarify but she seems to be unable to.

Not to mention Not bob.

Anyway, I'm a vigilante. I found a gun.

 

You look more like an SK to me and I see very little reason to leave you alive even if you are a vig.

 

This

 

 

you mean apart from killing town

 

 

 

 

There's actually not a fluff and several casual reads, which I generally find townie. But Eldrick's early inclusion as a town read surprised me from what she'd said on thread and I don't understand taking Sili out of her POE if she wasn't sure of him.

 

Really am going now

[Pralaya]

Yeah, sorry verbal. I am completely off this game. In between the heavy load of work, I am not able to do multiple re reads and just started to tin foil you.

 

Anyway, I finally will be able to spend time tomorrow, if alive. Till then.

[Kaylee]

Dr. Vanessa Calder knew, as the Warehouse doctor, that it wouldn't be long before they came for her. She slowly crept up and down the aisles of the artifacts. She knew something wasn't right when Pete and Myka didn't show up for the meeting. She figured her enemies were somewhere inside. She was careful to not touch anything as she moved about. After all, a lot of these artifacts were extremely dangerous. She turned the corner, listening for any noise. She pulled out her tesla gun and walked the next aisle. When she got to the end she paused. Was that scraping she heard?

 

She didn't get the chance to find out... for a she turned the corner she was tripped and landed inside Alice's long glass. She looked out at the very evil Alice, who was disguised a the good doctor herself. She knew he friends were in grave danger now!

 

 

BFG - Dr. Vanessa Calder, Town Doc has been killed

 

 

It is now day.

[BFG]

 

Good Luck Town!

 

Thanks for letting me play

[Kaylee]

Thanks for stepping in

[Kaylee]

Official Vote Count

 

 

 

Not Voting [NOT IN ANY PARTICULAR ORDER](9): Not Bob, Eldrick, Wombat, Pral, Hally, Dice, Verbal, Lily, Cass

 

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch

 

 

Deadline is Sunday, April 12th @ 4:30pm MST

Countdown timer: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20150412T1630&p0=3862&fg1=d390c2&fg2=a39de0&msg=End+of+D4&csz=1