Escape From The Carnival Of Horrors! Game Thread [Mafia Win]

[Sili Quirrels]

i also laughed at how you have me apparently down as more than 80% town lean, yet threw dirt on my thoughts by labeling it as a "go-getter" post.

  (basically i took that as you accusing me of trying to appear active while just parroting others thoughts, which is a false accusation)

It deserves repeating that it was a complement.

 

And I don't understand how you came to the opposite conclusion. It makes me wonder if it actually would be a false accusation. In fact, looking at your recent arguments, they seem jumpy. The way you put dice to scum for instance... I didn't like that. He might be scum, right, but being so quick to the gun over what seems to have been a joke isn't good.

 

And you attack tina for something she did in the game you modded for.

 

And now you're misreading me because I had a bad idea.

 

And you went after me for not responding to a sentence, when I said I had to go. Plus the sentence wasn't directed at me. I was volunteering a response freely.

[Andrej]

Been reading through the stuff I missed since my work shift. I'll respond and comment on things when I'm finished making dinner and have actually sat down for a bit

[Andrej]

In the mean time, the silence from Leelou and Hallia is deafening right now. Come out and play ladies.

 

& Dice - For real? Refer to the OP where it specifically says locations are flavor only.

[Andrej]

Dinner's finished, can get on my laptop now and quote things more easily.

 

@Crusher - This was my response to SQ

 

 

what do you mean by cagey?

On thane, it makes sense he wouldn't have much to say, but his first post was very sure-footed and I can't say I like that. At this point I'm just trying to see the town in him.

Guarded. Your responses to me sound clipped since getting push back from players on your theory.

[dicetosser1]

shakes head.  Why am i not allowed to play around D1??  sheesh!

 

 

unvote

 

 

 

sili I dont do haughty  I do blunt. What I think I say.

 

 

Thats simply me pointing out you had a totally different take on it and one that I dont understand how you got there.

[Sili Quirrels]

U lost me. I dnt understand why it matters what level of character analysis u stop at. Blunt or hauty.

 

Ur attitude and tone and thought process are similar. As expected if ur town. Tho i still await the tunnel. And the case building. Which are harder to fake instances of villagery.

[Andrej]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I quoted the dialoge between AJ and Kaylee. AJ - so you are not worried about Kaylee anymore?

I have her more as null than anything. I think Verb's commentary on the subject had merit that I didn't consider previously.

Do you think I should be more concerned? The way your question is worded seems a bit insinuating.

This conversation felt weird to me. It felt like you were going to press Kayle and then you kind of "gave up to easy" after Kaylee had re-posted an earlier post. What post from Verbal was it?

It was more passing commentary on my part since we were on the topic. Initially it made me a bit wary but like I said previously I think Verb's observation had merit I hadn't thought of and made me reconsider my stance on it. The posts were like a page back. I'd pull them up more readily but I'm phone posting.

You didn't answer my question though.

Post it when you can.

 

If I think you should be conserned with Kaylee? That is up to you to decide. Do you think she is town? 

 

If I`m conserned with Kaylee? I have seen nothing scummy so far.

I have her as null currently.

 

When you say that you've seen nothing scummy from her is it safe for me to assume that you have her in your town pile then? If so I'm curious as to why you've brought up this line of questioning.

 

To what purpose do you think I would be letting her off easily? You're making a lot of implicit sort of connections, which I think is pretty suspect.

 

I didn´t have a connection between you in mind. More like you tried to see what would happen if you put some preassure on Kaylee but then you backed down quick. Now I get what you mean with Verb´s post. I´m not sure if I´m feeling better about it though. You tried something, got critique, then backed down. Easier to follow Verb? 

 

I´m having a hard time putting words on my feelings. I did get a good feeling from your posts initially when you criticised Sili´s idea of mafia picking "strong" players. But then you kind of stayed there and went overboard with it. Like it would be Sili´s fault if people started to vote that way - which you can see no one has. And then it was this thing with Kaylee. Sorry, can´t explain it better. It´s a feeling, but it´s based on how you have written your posts. Testing . . . see if it works . . . move on.  And that OMGUS vote didn´t look good. 

 

[v] AJ [/v]

 

"I didn´t have a connection between you in mind. More like you tried to see what would happen if you put some pressure on Kaylee but then you backed down quick. Now I get what you mean with Verb´s post. I´m not sure if I´m feeling better about it though. You tried something, got critique, then backed down. Easier to follow Verb?"

 

I think there may just be a misunderstanding between us then. The way you were phrasing your questions gave me the impression that you were alluding to some sort of connection between Kaylee and I, which I didn't understand and was seeking to clarify several times. As far as pressuring and backing down, it wasn't at all about me following Verb. I made a statement about Kaylee thinking one way and later reconsidered my point of view when Verb made a point that I could agree with and hadn't previously considered. Couple this with how Kaylee was direct in responding to me and re clarifying on the subject I was content to let it go with a "Fair enough". I don't see a problem with this but I guess I can see how you would think it negative? How you're characterizing my action wasn't my intent though - I just didn't see the point in pursuing it beyond that.

 

"I´m having a hard time putting words on my feelings."

 

Well, tbf if you're not able to articulate those feelings it definitely doesn't make my job any easier attempting to respond.

 

"I did get a good feeling from your posts initially when you criticised Sili´s idea of mafia picking "strong" players. But then you kind of stayed there and went overboard with it. Like it would be Sili´s fault if people started to vote that way - which you can see no one has."

 

I think part (a big part) of why the game hasn't taken that direction is because the idea was immediately stamped out by several players and for the most part we all seem to agree that it wasn't a good idea. In a way, he could be to blame if the game had taken that direction whether or not if that were his intention. It's something I mentioned earlier when I said I was still trying to decide where I thought he was coming from with the idea.

[Sili Quirrels]

I would not have let it be a witch hunt.

[Andrej]

WTL between Leelou/Hallia, Tina & Dice atm.

 

Hallia and Leelou both seem to be avoiding the thread and that doesn't sit well with me at all. Some have already mentioned weird little things about Leelou and I think Sili made a good point in emphasizing Kaylee's catch with one of her questions directed towards Hallia earlier. The 'Kaylee's on the ball' quote he did - I liked that. Both seem off their game and being as experienced as they are that concerns me.

 

Dice is fairly vocal so far but it has mostly centered around defending his ego to Sili. The joke vote thing was pretty weirdly timed too. Overall I think so far his play aligns more with his scum game in that he's self-centered with his posts (mostly defends/responds about himself) and doesn't make a lot of observations on his own.

 

I'm worried the thing with Tina could be a misunderstanding but the way she went about it felt off to me but perhaps that has more to do with the wording of her questions. I think Verb made some decent points earlier regarding how she tossed Sili an easy town read based on meta. Could go either way here - I think she's going to remain near the bottom of my null pile until I can sort her out better.

[Andrej]

I would not have let it be a witch hunt.

 

I think we're past it.

[Andrej]

[v]Hallia[/v]

 

I think she's been the most sporadic so far with her activity/focus.

[Hallia]

Wednesdays are my bowling days, I just got home.  Give me a chance to catch up will ya?

[Andrej]

Bowling days? lol - I had no idea.

 

Mkay, well I look forward to your contribution then.

[Sili Quirrels]

my impression of dice is he thinks a lot without posting, and when he posts it's often angling something or being inflammatory. So far his tone is good, but I think people are right when they say we need actual reads from Dice.

 

The way people have explained Dice's wolf game is he's one of those slanking, and I assume self-conscious, players. I get the impression he emphasized his bluntness because he identifies that with his town game.

[Hallia]

Only up through page 2

So, who is the best mafia player? we fos them first I think.

Try to pick 2 who you would pick.

I think Nyn and Hallia have the largest town/scum range overlap. I might have picked them.

I think this line of talk was wifom at best and flat out distracting at worst.

Hello

Feels good to be back in a Mafia game, I can feel the juices flowing already.

I'm with Nyn on this subject. Highly circumstantial and would vary person to person depending on how the randomization went. The part I don't like most specifically is suggesting the focus be on a certain group of players who are considered better than others while the remaining are theoretically given a pass.

Sili, what you say might have carried weight if we weren't aware of the choosing mechanic. Since we were told about it then the upside of choosing a "weaker" player is precisely this. So I still disagree with your premise. It's wifom.

I like both of these, liking Nyn and AJ so far for townies.

[Sili Quirrels]

Can someone summarize Crusher's meta for me, so that I have an idea of what to look for?

[Sili Quirrels]

Only up through page 2

So, who is the best mafia player? we fos them first I think.

Try to pick 2 who you would pick.

 

I think Nyn and Hallia have the largest town/scum range overlap. I might have picked them.

I think this line of talk was wifom at best and flat out distracting at worst.

Hello

 

Feels good to be back in a Mafia game, I can feel the juices flowing already.

 

I'm with Nyn on this subject. Highly circumstantial and would vary person to person depending on how the randomization went. The part I don't like most specifically is suggesting the focus be on a certain group of players who are considered better than others while the remaining are theoretically given a pass.

Sili, what you say might have carried weight if we weren't aware of the choosing mechanic. Since we were told about it then the upside of choosing a "weaker" player is precisely this. So I still disagree with your premise. It's wifom.

I like both of these, liking Nyn and AJ so far for townies.

Shhh.

[Hallia]

 

 

 

2. "I think most people pick at least reasonably competent mafia players as their partners, so commonly held weaker players should get less attention today (i.e. me and dice) since our rand chance is 1 in 13."

I think most people would pick their friends or whomever they're most comfortable with. For example I probably wouldn't pick Kaylee and I don't think she'd pick me. I don't think we've ever been on a team before and it would be kind of awkward at the least. There are a lot of ways one could approach this puzzle and you're focusing on one. I also think it's both funny and convenient that you've included yourself as someone who should get less attention today. Also ironic since you're being so outspoken and driving the conversation.

Blue bolded is something I agree with and was pointing out earlier with the angle-shooting/narrative line.

 

I didn't see that.

 

Yes, it is coming across as intended then. I like being ironic.

 

Though it is also true I can't picture myself being picked by anybody here so I dunno, but I don't think I was rand to be mafia this game.

 

 

You were just picked to be cult, so your thoughts on this matter are irrelevant. 

 

I might've lol'd

 

Right so Nyn is Town, sili would be in a tunnel except for that quick little backtrack on page 1 and AJ is looking townish.

 

Sili  a) dont link us together please.

 

b) if im a weak player explain my success rate as mafia. I get mislynched as town much more then i get lynched as mafia. But weak or strong is crap. AJ is a good player yet I once caught him because of like his second post in a game. Verbal is good but leelou picks him out pretty easily. Everybody has weaknesses. Everybody has strengths. And you can get caught even thru your strengths. Oh aND YES players DO get lynched for their strengths here.

I'm in agreement with the beginning of Dice's post, it's good to see that I'm not alone in my reads thus far.

Another thing that bothered me was the ease which Kaylee was willing to roll with the idea.

Eh....I more saw it as Kaylee trying to be active, and responding to direct questioning.

 

 

AND NO SILI, YOU SHHHHH!

[Red2111]

Dice is firmly in the scumlean pile for me. That vote and invite came off as a distraction attempt.

 

Also the Dice/Sili stuff feels forced. I don't like it, it doesn't come off as townie or legit to me.

 

@ AJ - why do your responses to the bold have a different background? U cut and pasting from a QT?

 

 

I think you expect me to explain, so I will. When I typed up a response I was about to leave. My tablet was working through it's stuff, and I wanted to get done my mq before I had to go so I prioritized that over worrying about a relatively innocuous nudge.

You posted a novel of a response between your initial post and now when ur following up on our promise. Came off as you trying to postpone any dialogue with me by stalling.

 

 

 

What would be responding well to pressure? I've explained my logic, and without going on at length about a topic I feel would encumber the thread at this point I've tried my best to explain my point of view.

 

Some people believe the variance is too high, and I don't. I assumed most players here would pick the best players for the job. They wouldn't pick players who would drag them down. And maybe that was naive, but that was still my logic. It wasn't nefarious.

 

My aim aim was to nudge the thread, but also I believed it, so you know, w/e. I don't lie about this stuff which is why I take it personally when people call the aftermath -ev.

  

 

You got defensive at the first real push and started to go ATE nuclear. Doesn't react well = over reaction to a prod.

 

Unless your scum, what you would or wouldn't do with a recruit is null. Discussing it isn't finding us scum, just generating convo that's WIFOM. You used it as a game starter, congrats. Its use is fulfilled, continuing to beat a dead horse now only comes off as scummy and a distraction.

 

Trust me, ibeat dead horses for a living in this game and even I would have dropped it by now unless I wanted to use it as scum for a distraction.

 

 

 

i also laughed at how you have me apparently down as more than 80% town lean, yet threw dirt on my thoughts by labeling it as a "go-getter" post.

  (basically i took that as you accusing me of trying to appear active while just parroting others thoughts, which is a false accusation)

 

It deserves repeating that it was a complement.

 

And I don't understand how you came to the opposite conclusion. It makes me wonder if it actually would be a false accusation. In fact, looking at your recent arguments, they seem jumpy. The way you put dice to scum for instance... I didn't like that. He might be scum, right, but being so quick to the gun over what seems to have been a joke isn't good.

 

And you attack tina for something she did in the game you modded for.

 

And now you're misreading me because I had a bad idea.

 

And you went after me for not responding to a sentence, when I said I had to go. Plus the sentence wasn't directed at me. I was volunteering a response freely.

I don't care what someone does in a different game. Meta only carries you so far in reads and relying on it like a crutch will bite you in the butt. My play style is specifically designed to make my meta 90% innacurate with reading me. Others use the same tactic BTW.

 

And its less of a derogatory comment as a backdoor way to discredit my reads. Its my interpretation of what you said *shrugs*

[Hallia]

Up through page 8:

 

Sili came off as grumpy with his mini-tirade on page 6, but it seems like he's calmed.

 

Ok I'm caught up. 

There's nothing to comment on really imo.

Everyone is still just going on about Sili's idea and what they think others would think and blah blah blah.

 

Moving past that, Tina kind of had a cold opening was hoping for a bit more from her.

Verbal is on top of his game today imo gonna keep eyes on him.

Andrej is moving back into my null pile. Sorry dude you just look like you're piggybacking off what other people are saying.

I'm worried about Hallia this is the type of behavior she has when scum imo. A hit and run.

Crusher and Red both had typical posts but glad to see they aren't MIA.

 

Hmm after thinking about it only two people I'm worried about right now are Thane and Dice.

Thane I just haven't seen anything notable from whatsoever and Dice got kind of defensive over the "strong/weak" thing.

Which to be fair could have been just a natural reaction to being called weak.

 

I'm going to vote Thane for now and see where that goes.

 

[v]Thane[/v]

This strikes me as odd, because as I recall you've repeatedly come after me because I do this as both alignments, and now you're picking that it's only my scum alignment?

 

Vote: Nol

[Andrej]

@Red - it's a formatting issue. I was copying from Tina's quote so whenever I would paste the lines I took out the cursor stays the same. It's pretty common.

 

Also - lol @ that tho

[Sili Quirrels]

 

You got defensive at the first real push and started to go ATE nuclear. Doesn't react well = over reaction to a prod.

 

Where was that?

[Red2111]

@ Sili - posts #107 & 112

[Sili Quirrels]

Dice is firmly in the scumlean pile for me. That vote and invite came off as a distraction attempt.

 

Also the Dice/Sili stuff feels forced. I don't like it, it doesn't come off as townie or legit to me.

 

You used it as a game starter, congrats. Its use is fulfilled, continuing to beat a dead horse now only comes off as scummy and a distraction.

I don't care what someone does in a different game. Meta only carries you so far in reads and relying on it like a crutch will bite you in the butt. My play style is specifically designed to make my meta 90% innacurate with reading me. Others use the same tactic BTW.

 

And its less of a derogatory comment as a backdoor way to discredit my reads. Its my interpretation of what you said *shrugs*

 

Isn't that a little paranoid? I can understand fos'ing dice over his lack of content, but a joke ain't distracting unless you want it to be.

 

Can you spot me something that came off as awkward?

 

I've talked about a lot. I'm not focusing on mechanics at all. I don't understand how I'm beating a dead horse.

 

Tina isn't you, but that withstanding, at the least you would have acknowledged Tina was capable of making the same read as town because she's done it before. I don't know why you didn't bring it up if you knew Tina was in her town range.

 

I still don't understand how you came to that conclusion. Is go-getter a bad word in your experience?

[Sili Quirrels]

@ Sili - posts #107 & 112

 

 

 

i rly loath it when ppl blame me for the presumed incompetence of other players preemptively before its even happened. All these statements like he was inciting bad play and paving the road for scum is madenning. Never once has one idea ever let that happen.

 

And no one should be blaiming me for their lack of strong reads due to lack of content. It just means u dont know how to rrad ppl. Also the first few pages are always a wash.

 

 

I dont witch hunt lol. How the hell is that still ur take away frpm the idea lol!? Stop taking what i said as something its not

 

Not my bloody fault other ppl cant read ppl if they think too hard. It shld be okay as anything is with the demonatration of a little common sense.

 

[directed at aj since i cant refresh on a phone.]

 

 

 

 

 

You got defensive at the first real push and started to go ATE nuclear. Doesn't react well = over reaction to a prod.

These are after 3 or so pages of back and forth, and I'm a little frustrated. I don't consider it the first nudge by any means, and I was responding to allegations made by both verbal and aj. It's evident I'm annoyed because I feel misrepresented.