[Basic] Lolcats: zOMGby Apocalypse - Game Over - Town Win

[Niniel]

General thoughts:

 

- Sili is trying to start the game already on N0. He is very vocal and tries to figure out stuff right away. This is townSili as I have seen him before. I generally try not to clear people too early in the game and use poe but I´ll make an exception for Sili. 

- I get why Lily is confused by all the non-DM words. Personally I think the world tinfoil is over used.

 

- Kaylee is pointing out facts in a calm and neutral way. I get a townie vibe from her but I will far from clear her. I think she plays like this as mafia too. I haven´t played with her much lately. 

 

- Thane has a lot of posts but with no game content. I understand the need to work and lack of sleep but there have been enough things to warrant at least one comment. 

 

 

I´ll post some quotes in the next post.

[Niniel]

And, why would be that?

 

This was Pral´s only comment and then he didn´t come back to it. Rl reasons perhaps? But it´s a strange questions since Sili said that he had gotten results or something like that. It was clear that he was having/faking a na result. It´s only one post so I can´t judge Pral on it but it´s in the maybe scum pile. 

 

 

[v]leelou[/v]

 

Results are just in. Leelou is a wolf.

 

Your results or wrong or you are a liar. Not sure which yet. 

 

[v]Sili[/v] Until I can determine what you are playing at. 

 

 

Also a little strange since Leelou should know that there are no N0 actions. But a normal post if she thought there was. Not sure about Leelou. 

 

I tracked Sili during N0 and saw him visit Leelou.

 

[v]Leelou[/v]

 

Nolder gets townie points for this post. Not enough to clear him but enough to make my townie list.

 

 

I tracked Sili during N0 and saw him visit Leelou.

 

[v]Leelou[/v]

Interesting. I just copied this from the rules:

 

8. There will be a Night 0, lasting about 72 hours (maybe sooner depending on the tone). this is for the normal check in spam stuff (though game play is encouraged).

9. Night Actions should be submitted in your Role PM, and at night (excluding N0).

 

 

Pointing this out is either a townie move (lean that way) or a way to save Leelou. 

 

 

 

The reveal is a little premature. We could have gotten a lot of good information with little cost.

Or it could have resulted in a mislynch. Two votes with only 10 players can add to a lynch quickly, especially with fake claims that people tend to just jump on.

I was here constantly refreshing. So something like that would have only happened if all three wolves piled on.

 

 

All three wolves??? This is the only scummy thing you have said so far. I assume that there are only two in a game this small.

 

Vote Sili

 

theres all that "no GF" crud at the beginning, then the thing with leelou, then theres no thread recollection as to why he had scum vibes from people. He in fact says that then goes "but N0 is a wash"  If N0 is a wash why are you following scum vibes that you cant remember from a night thats a wash?

 

 

 

 

Tina is second on my list atm

 

Haven´t you played with Sili before? I don´t like this post. It looks like an "easy" vote. 

 

I'm here atm. I get what you're saying. However, I'm not quick to clear people as that's come to bite me in past games.

 

Agree. 

 

Leaning town on Sili for trying to scum hunt.

 

Me too. I think Kaylee is making good points so far. 

 

I don't see it that way at all. He doesn't seem to be assuming there is a gf. I'm leaning more towards his theory that you are scum trying to get town cred. 

 

Or maybe it´s that simple that he is trying to start/solve the game?

 

I called them incompetent after repeat demonstrations of their lack of respect for me.

 

*shrug*

 

do you understand why lily thinks I'm scum tina?

 

Yes, it´s clear in her posts. She thinks you are just doing the fake claim/result to look townie. I don´t agree but that is her reason.

 

 

 

As you see, I base a lot of my thinking on Sili being town, so I really hope I´m not mistaken.

 

Suspects so far: Dice, Pral, Thane. 

 

Lily is just agreeing with Dice and I´m not sure if it´s scummy or not. She hasn´t played with Sili before so I think I lean more town than mafia even though she is using the same arguments as Dice. I wonder if that is wise of me?

 

Townies: Sili, Nolder, Kaylee. Only sure of Sili. 

 

The rest is in the middle. That should be Leelou, Verb/Nyn and Lily. 

 

 

[v] Dice [/v]

[Sili Quirrels]

Sorry about this. This is my last wot, I swear.

 

 

Vote Sili

 

theres all that "no GF" crud at the beginning, then the thing with leelou, then theres no thread recollection as to why he had scum vibes from people. He in fact says that then goes "but N0 is a wash"  If N0 is a wash why are you following scum vibes that you cant remember from a night thats a wash?

 

 

 

 

Tina is second on my list atm

Red: Use of crud isn't obvious; it could refer to my op, my reasoning, or it could refer to all the posts speculating on the game's mechanics N0. Putting it as the descriptive seems like posturing.

Blue: The point is to say there's something wrong with non-distinct impressions of players, but fails to factor my insistence on more information to make better reads. It's a shallow analysis.

Lime: Blatant misrepresentation.

 

 

Sequence where I respond in detail and explain why I made op, and how obvious (and premeditated) I made my fake peek, and what was gained by fake peeking Leelou.

 

 

 

Vote Sili

 

theres all that "no GF" crud at the beginning, then the thing with leelou, then theres no thread recollection as to why he had scum vibes from people.

 

Tina made a post early on about losing because of GF tinfoil. That is essentially why I brought it up, and Leelou asked, and I elaborated on why I felt there was no godfather.

 

 

He in fact says that then goes "but N0 is a wash"

Irt to N0 being a wash, I bold my exact words:

 

 

 

I forget exactly why, and it doesn't really matter since most of n0 is a wash, but that's how it is.

Note I say mostly because I still draw conclusions from N0, like Tina being town or my early scum vibe from Leelou that I based a peek on.

To recap, Tina was pure in her opening posts. Having been w/w with her I know she should be too self-conscious to make that content.

 

 

 

 

Here is how I set up my claim starting N0-

 

 

 

2-3 wolves, 1 seer.

 

No godfather, I repeat no godfather.

 

 

Please don't tinfoil on this.

 

^I talk about a godfather, and insist people shouldn't tinfoil too hard.

I'll have a wolf by the end of N0. =3

 

^I mention I'll have a wolf D1.

 

Lol. Maybe. Ill find out tomorrow.

^I imply I'll peek Leelou.

 

Seer is just cop with an n0 peek. Its from classic ww.

^I suggest that I have an n0 peek.

 

 

 

 

 

I tracked Sili during N0 and saw him visit Leelou.
[v]Leelou[/v]

Interesting. I just copied this from the rules:
8. There will be a Night 0, lasting about 72 hours (maybe sooner depending on the tone). this is for the normal check in spam stuff (though game play is encouraged).
9. Night Actions should be submitted in your Role PM, and at night (excluding N0).

The reveal is a little premature. We could have gotten a lot of good information with little cost.

 

And this was the point of it all. I made a reaction test to get the information I needed to make reads.

 

My reads are the following:

 

Nolder - town

Tina - town

Leelou - town

Kaylee - town

Pral - maybe town

 

So I have succesfully narrowed down the lynch pool to 4 people.

 

 

 

If N0 is a wash why are you following scum vibes that you cant remember from a night thats a wash?

 

 

I don't make fast conclusions over the order of the poe box, but I do order them. To be clear, I'm not suggesting you get lynched over the other 3, merely that I personally feel like maybe you're a little more scummy than the other 3 atp for unknown/vague reasons that are hard to articulate and not worth building a case over.

 

 

 

 

In response, 30 minutes later, Dice elaborates in a mostly fallacious and inane way:

 

 

i have more faith in my solve. Reference to an earlier post. He isn't expanding on reads for other players or his second scum suspect, so I take it he doesn't consider his solve very seriously.

 

If you think I believe you would claim cop D1 first thing you are nuts. Simply makes me think you are scum trying to get credit and hoping to draw the real cop out. Insinuates I claimed cop when I didn't. Insinuates  I as a villager wouldn't do it for some reason. He insinuates I did it for town credit, somehow, though what sort of cred. I wouldn't know.

 

Fake peeking a wolf is risky business and I don't know many wolves who take the long odds it doesn't go horribly wrong.

 

A night is either a wash or it isnt. you either get info (which would make itr NOT a wash) or you dont (a wash)  you were straddling a fence saying mostly. Leaves you a way out. Consciously fails to see the point.

 

Sili Quirrels, on 03 Feb 2015 - 06:29 AM, said:

2-3 wolves, 1 seer.

 

No godfather, I repeat no godfather.

 

 

Please don't tinfoil on this.

 

 

you say there is NO godfather. like you know it for a fact. In all posts following my OP I treat the gf very differently than in my op. that means either you ARE the godfather and want people thinking you dont exist, are scum and over stretched trying to get town credit or you are an oracle. Thats not possible because this is basic AND an oracle wouldnt get the response til morning.

 

Ignoring the inanity of pretending there's no godfather day 1 if i were scum, Dice seems to miss the part in the conversation where it's revealed N0 actions don't exist. e.g. Dice goes on about an oracle N0 request for information.

 

 

And I caught all that implying i will peek leelou and i have peeked leelou stuff. Want a hint? If you wanna fake claim take a lesson in subtlety. Its more believeable. that just comes across as fake.

 

Most of your posts this game strike me as fake actually. Im not likeing the tone of them at all

 

 

My vote stays where it is 

 

 

My analysis is in red.

 

To summarize:

 

Says i claimed a w peek to draw out the cop, but argues i made the fake claim an obvious lie such that no cop would ever come out.

Says i might be a godfather, on a two player team that would draw the lynch on themselves to find the cop.

Says a bunch of provocative statements, bolded blue that have no apparent meaning to me.

 

 

I make two posts

 

 

Scummy push in a vacuum but I don't feel qualified to judge.

First off this isn't about you.
Secondly, you know nothing about me or how I play if you think any of this is actually wolfish.

And it can't be called -ev either since no cop would counter claim.

 

Could be I'm biased or I don't know dice very well.

 

 

 

 

Could be I'm biased or I don't know dice very well.

 

is probably both as you have said multiple times that im scummy in other games even when Im not.

 

Dice responds to the in-substantive one at 6:09, 22 minutes after I respond to his case, and vacates the thread.

 

In the above post he suggests I can't read him.

 

In summary Dice doesn't appear to consider his reads very deeply or take his game solve very seriously, but would have me believe he's read the thread enough to say what he's saying, despite numerous flaws in his arguments.

[dicetosser1]

ya know what im giving up on quoting sili's stuff cause ive typed a heap out twice now and managed to lose it both times.  i will just lay it out.

 

in the very first post of the game he authoritatively states that there is NO GF. he even repeats it.  Instantly makes me think he has TMI.  he gets questioned about it so by the time he hits with post 12 he back tracks to "i assume"

 

he pulls very fake sounding seer claims out on page one, he even goes on to explain the difference between seer and cop eyt seems to think theres a seer in a basic game? one where the mod said N0 was just for checkins? But he keeps it up claiming a fake view on leelou.

 

So far hes giving me TMI and desperation vibes.  asnd this is only page 2

[Sili Quirrels]

 

Yes, it´s clear in her posts. She thinks you are just doing the fake claim/result to look townie. I don´t agree but that is her reason.

 

 

 

As you see, I base a lot of my thinking on Sili being town, so I really hope I´m not mistaken.

 

How? Isn't the job of every townie to be townie?

 

I'm okay with forming a village alliance with you, lee, nold, and kay. in the back of my head one of you will be scum, but i'll hold the thought at bay for a day. =)

[dicetosser1]

Thane says you are mafia sili.

 

 

nods

 

heres a warning shot from me to sili that i think hes mafia

 

 

I know this, but I still can't make good reads without content.

 

I'm anxious to get started.

 

even he says he's anxxious. this post cemented my feel that he is desperate for cred.

 

 

Villagery posts by verb. Its a good sign when someone is helpful like that with that last line: to hunt scum. It shows the right frame of reference.

hmm 1 page earlier he's saying he cant get any good reads.

 

[v]leelou[/v]

 

Results are just in. Leelou is a wolf.

 

fake result as mentioned earlier

 

 

 

The reveal is a little premature. We could have gotten a lot of good information with little cost.

Or it could have resulted in a mislynch. Two votes with only 10 players can add to a lynch quickly, especially with fake claims that people tend to just jump on.

I was here constantly refreshing. So something like that would have only happened if all three wolves piled on.

 

 

more anxiousness

[Sili Quirrels]

ya know what im giving up on quoting sili's stuff cause ive typed a heap out twice now and managed to lose it both times.  i will just lay it out.

 

in the very first post of the game he authoritatively states that there is NO GF. he even repeats it.  Instantly makes me think he has TMI.  he gets questioned about it so by the time he hits with post 12 he back tracks to "i assume"

 

he pulls very fake sounding seer claims out on page one, he even goes on to explain the difference between seer and cop eyt seems to think theres a seer in a basic game? one where the mod said N0 was just for checkins? But he keeps it up claiming a fake view on leelou.

 

So far hes giving me TMI and desperation vibes.  asnd this is only page 2

Uh, typo: I say 'assume' in my second post, in response to leelou. It's only backtracking in the sense that I'm elaborating on a sentiment.

 

And obvious ploys page 1/2? like wat? that's like seeing the finale of a film, watching how it plays out again, saying it was all very obvious in retrospect, then giving the script writer shit for it being obvious when a) it being obvious was half the point, AND YOUVE ALREADY SEEN IT PLAY OUT ONCE.

 

And desperation because why... was I under attack? were people lining up to lynch me?

 

No. It's obviously that I think of ww like a puzzle to solve. I say as much after the quotes you've quoted above that you've conveniently left out.

[Sili Quirrels]

holy blammy dice, you're scummy. this entire push reeks of deep deep tunnel or scummy nudging.

[Sili Quirrels]

I'll have a wolf by the end of N0. =3

 

 

Are we doing seer cover this game?

 

 

Excuse me, I made a mistake. These two posts come before I respond to Leelou.

 

[dicetosser1]

My take-away is I have 5-6 villagers including myself, so I think today's lynch should be between Verb, Lily, Thane, and Dice.

 

To recap, Tina was pure in her opening posts. Having been w/w with her I know she should be too self-conscious to make that content.

 

That said, I don't really know Pral's allignment, because I think his comment too easily comes from a wolf to discount the possibility.

 

In order of preference I have

 

Thane

Lily

Verb

Dice

 

As our lynches.

 

There should be at least 1 wolf in there.

 

1 page later he has a whole bunch of townies and some suspects. Verb hits him up on this a few posts later

 

 

Vote Sili

 

theres all that "no GF" crud at the beginning, then the thing with leelou, then theres no thread recollection as to why he had scum vibes from people.

 

Tina made a post early on about losing because of GF tinfoil. That is essentially why I brought it up, and Leelou asked, and I elaborated on why I felt there was no godfather.

 

Scummy push in a vacuum but I don't feel qualified to judge.

 

First off this isn't about you.

Secondly, you know nothing about me or how I play if you think any of this is actually wolfish.

 

And it can't be called -ev either since no cop would counter claim.

 

I never said it was about me. I have played a number of games with you now and have lynched you as both town and scum so i DO in fact know something about how you play.

As for the counter claim....youve never played with rand have you? or seen JackD get himself lynched despite an obviously true doc claim?   a counterclaim is possible, but the fishing for it is scummy in and of itself.

 

Dices case boils down to tinfoil. The problem with dices arguments is he assumes there's a godfather, I would mention the topic if I were a wolf in my op, and I wouldn't make a well foreshadowed and relatively harmless gambit as town.

 

Show me where i said there IS a GF. I dare you.  I will know theres a GF when someone flips GF.

 

I cant know theres a gf unless there is one.

 

More backtracking away from his very first post

 

How can i overstretch in a post if im completely genuine and my reasoning is completely legitimate. Its not like u are attacking my logic or tone.

 

Lolu2

 

problem is\s that those posts dont sound or feel genuine. and i totally think your tone is all wrong. its not town tone at all

 

The case is selective and speculative and misses pages of content. When i explain y i did a thing and give evidence for motive on top of what i think is basically obvious dice comes back with unsubstantiated arguments in what must be character read but isnt really.

 

So tldr the case is shit and wrong and i know it amd ive proven its shit and now i will laugj it off while i decide whos scum

 

the case is what struck me. and it was based off having read everything you said. as you can now see with all of this I am paying attention.

 

and you have proven nothing.

 

Plus that whole last line just smells like false bravado.  like i said your tone sux

[Sili Quirrels]

 

I never said it was about me. I have played a number of games with you now and have lynched you as both town and scum so i DO in fact know something about how you play.

As for the counter claim....youve never played with rand have you? or seen JackD get himself lynched despite an obviously true doc claim?   a counterclaim is possible, but the fishing for it is scummy in and of itself.

 

 

How is the second part relevant?

 

You don't know a thing, I think. You haven't gotten me lynched ever either.

 

Uh. nice try i guess.

 

 

Show me where i said there IS a GF. I dare you.  I will know theres a GF when someone flips GF.

 

How is it a dare?

 

When you say it's like i know there's a gf, that would only be the case if there were a gf, so it's only relevant if you think there's a gf. *shrug.

 

Bold is overly defensive imo.

 

More backtracking away from his very first post

 

You're missing the point.

 

The point isn't hard to miss.

 

 

problem is\s that those posts dont sound or feel genuine. and i totally think your tone is all wrong. its not town tone at all

 

 

 

tone isn't just some catch-all term for 'read'. Substantiate the claim please, and without going into blinders-on mode because that isn't helping you imo.

[Sili Quirrels]

Plus that whole last line just smells like false bravado.  like i said your tone sux

 

btw, your blinders are on.

 

see it from my perspective: scum suspect A comes out of the woodworks with no prior reads, says I'm scum, makes a case that he can't ever back up (imo) and scum suspect B comes along and agrees with him inexplicably.

[dicetosser1]

I called them incompetent after repeat demonstrations of their lack of respect for me.

 

*shrug*

 

do you understand why lily thinks I'm scum tina?

 

Sili be VERY clear here. this is a GAME. I am attacking what you have done in the game. i am not attacking YOU. 

 

Its real simple I think you are mafia. End of Story

 

 

 

holy (edit by mod word) dice, you're scummy. this entire push reeks of deep deep tunnel or scummy nudging.

 

 

Im gonna say this once sili and once only and i am DEAD serious. Do NOT use that language on these boards. These boards are all PG13 rated and that language breaks the COC. If you do it again I will complain to the admins.

 

This rule would be WHY i used the word crud. think of how people talk. in my head i was saying "this cr*p" of sili's" but i dont think that word is appropriate so i used a less offensive word.

 

 

And dude  when I think i have found scum??  I dont let it go. Ask tommy lol

[Sili Quirrels]

You're playing like a pissant, and it's not pleasant. Jeez.

[Sili Quirrels]

I won't apologize for something innocuous, but I can edit out the profanity, or whatever if mods express a similar sentiment.

 

fwiw, you bringing it up just after you accused me of taking things too personally is moronic.

[Sili Quirrels]

Back to the game I hope,

 

So the problem right now isn't that you're tunneling, it's that your push is pretty lazy because your reasons are kind of weak.

 

Plus imo dice is just a little more passive than this. Sure he doesn't let suspects go, but he doesn't really engage in a tug-of-war with them either.

[Leelou]

Sili, you are responding to pressure poorly with your bad attitude. No one is attacking you personally, just your play. Getting up in arms and calling people incompetent when they don't agree with your play does not help your case in any way. 

 

I'd like to know why you have Pral in your townish pile. Also, don't trust Kaylee yet. She's very good at faking town. 

 

 

 

 

*DM mod hat*

You do need to edit that word out of your post, it is not allowed on DM. Dice, edit it out of your quote. 

[Sili Quirrels]

-I escalated after a half page of fluff-like back and forth that achieved nothing-

 

besides that i'm good though. also, no one should be expected to always respond perfectly to one-sided pressure imo.

[Leelou]

 

 

[v]leelou[/v]

 

Results are just in. Leelou is a wolf.

 

Your results or wrong or you are a liar. Not sure which yet. 

 

[v]Sili[/v] Until I can determine what you are playing at. 

 

 

Also a little strange since Leelou should know that there are no N0 actions. But a normal post if she thought there was. Not sure about Leelou.

 

I skimmed the rules quickly and never got a chance to go back and read them. 

[Sili Quirrels]

-I escalated after a half page of fluff-like back and forth that achieved nothing-

 

besides that i'm good though. also, no one should be expected to always respond perfectly to one-sided pressure imo.

[Nynaeve]

Sorry for not being around yesterday. Was having a really bad day.

 

Catching up now.

[Sili Quirrels]

-I escalated after a half page of fluff-like back and forth that achieved nothing despite my best efforts, and only in the sense I wasn't unfailingly polite-

 

besides that i'm good though. also, no one should be expected to always respond perfectly to one-sided pressure imo. to put it down to bad attitude ignores half the story. (i sense bias lee)

[Leelou]

I think the time warp ate my last post. 

[Sili Quirrels]

Just take the last one imo.

[dicetosser1]

sorry lee i didnt even think to edit that and i should have.