[Basic]: Be Nice Mafia

[Songstress]

EBWOP:  And re-reading that after I hit "post", damn, there are a lot of "actually"s in there.  

[Cass]

Hi all *catching up*

At a glance some interesting points and things to consider since EoD... Will re-read properly and get to my thoughts on some of that in a sec, but first, the specifics that stood out for me in my 'maybe/what if it isn't Sili' re-read

Disclaimer: These were pre-prepped

. I'll leave out the stuff I had down to ask jmm, for obvious reasons  .

[Thane Vakarian]

EBWOP:  And re-reading that after I hit "post", damn, there are a lot of "actually"s in there.  

actually, i think you're right.

[Songstress]

Hi all *catching up*

 

At a glance some interesting points and things to consider since EoD... Will re-read properly and get to my thoughts on some of that in a sec, but first, the specifics that stood out for me in my 'maybe/what if it isn't Sili' re-read

Disclaimer: These were pre-prepped

. I'll leave out the stuff I had down to ask jmm, for obvious reasons  .

 

Yey! There's our Cass!

 

*peers around for BFG*

[Songstress]

 

EBWOP:  And re-reading that after I hit "post", damn, there are a lot of "actually"s in there.  

actually, i think you're right.

 

 

I should actually proofread my own posts BEFORE I post them.

 

Actually.  

[Cass]

 

 

I dont think i would read me as a wolf if i knew me so i dont see what u see tress.

I might have agreed with you prior to seeing you wolf recently. But since I have? I'm Team-Tina on this. It's early. Just be you.

 

I think Yates was fielding for responses... like, the pairings were absurd.

 

Objectively you look very good if I flip scum.

 

 

 

A couple of thoughts here:

1. Let's say for the sake of argument that you are correct about me "fielding for responses." Now I know that you are already aware of it and adjusting responses accordingly. Plus, you haven't actually responded to the connection/accusation other than to acknowledge it and claim the "pairings were absurd." I'd really like it if you could stop being so guarded [like you have something to hide] and just freestyle rap wit me a bit.

 

2. The pairings aren't absurd to me. Your interaction didn't look like the interaction of two people that don't know each other's alignments. I happen to agree with Cass on one point; the way you treated her vs. the way you treated Clov was very different. Would you please [and thank you in advance] explain the rationale there in a way that makes some sense to me?

 

3. That "if I flip scum" stuff always pings. Rhetorical question: You don't know if you will flip scum or not? That's why your answer to question #2 will help me decide if we can frolic in the stream of Equestria together or if you need to be sent to the glue factory to be turned into glitter paste.

 

Even though I'm trying to consider things without tinfoil on you Sili... The bold. I don't think you've answered this, and it still bugs me... can you explain?

[Cass]

 

 

good luck!

 

Are you feeling confident about winning this one?

Thank-you! *hugs the law-breaker*

 

Confident about winning? Um, I feel fairly 'happy' with my gut reads (for the moment, *g*) ... but I can't honestly say that I'm 'confident' about them *rolls eyes at self*... Does that make sense?

 

What reads/leans do you have so far?

 

Basically the same as yours actually. For the moment, Sili and Clov feel worst. Don't get any other bad vibes here. Cautious about jmm, seeing i don't know his game. Will be interesting to see how things develop this game.

 

 

 

Oh, Yates, i know you appreciate games we're both in, and you're quite capable in reading me, but don't try to buddy too hard, might be suspicious

You need to check out the beer thread.  I had a super rare Belgian beer the other night and thought of you...  

 

My plan is to pocket you.  See how you respond.  Serious question; when is the last time I read you wrong?  I want to see that comfortable, free thinking, shoot from the hip Thane Town so I'm setting you up for it.  And if a "Be Nice" game isn't the proper format to get you to that place, I don't know what is.

You're indeed quite often right about reading me. And, you don't need to set me up as Thane Town, i'm already Town in this game. And i like to hunt wolves (seriously, i need fur)

 

 

Initially I took this as Town/null, and nobody else experienced has contradicted the answer so it's probably correct, but, just to dot i's and cross t's can the mod/other experienced players please confirm this is right, please?

Depending on powers and balance and stuff like that, scum are usually 25% of the game. So yes, we are likely dealing with two scum.

 

yup, i think so too. 25% scum = 2 wolves. Which we can get to fast if we eliminate the most obvious townies first. Good thing is that most players only need to look into 7 people. Besides me, i think Tress and Cass are most likely town, so i'm down to checking 4 players (with the other two in the back of my mind, depending on how the game develops)

 

 

 

 

Thane, this might be nothing more than a Towny coincidence, and it's really the only thing I've seen of you so far that might actually be suspicious (especially in the re-reads where I'm trying to consider things from the perspective that Sili is Town), but, the red. The way when I ask what reads/leans you have you give me nothing back other than things I've already said myself. There's nothing new, nothing different.

 

Did you really have no other reads/leans/ideas at this point, or was there another reason you weren't sharing? 

 

FWIW, I think there may be a couple of plausible reasons why this next point doesn't necessarily mean you're scummy, but this paranoia brings me back to the fact that I can't help but feel you're playing differently this game. Can you explain why you're coming across more guarded this time around (other than the possibility that you're Scum)??

[Cass]

 

 

 

@ Clov - Just that it was odd that he would 'call' me Town 'like everyone else' but do it in a way that casts doubt/insinuates that I might be different from the others he listed...

Kinda feels like the same as my first game where the Scum mostly said 'I have her as Town,' and then carefully insinuated it was possible I could be Scum because it was plausible that I could be being helped. The doubt that move cast over the rest of Town haunted/followed me for the whole freaking game.

I feel like it was a search for something similar to push against me in this game: 'I have her as Town, BUT she could be pulling the wool over your eyes/could be Scum now because even though she's fairly new, she's had experience being Scum before...'

Since I know I'm Town again (and probably also because I'm once bitten, twice shy) it pings/makes me wary.

Does that make any sense? (I'm typing this on phone whilst trying not to ignore the toddler - let me know if doesn't)

Also, you read the last game, right? Do you think something different??

@ Sili - Do you have links to a recent Town game at all?

Going out to lunch/running errands now, back tonight when the kid's in bed - GL!

 

I was more concerned with him using a conditional he already knew the answer to.  That is, he's somewhat familiar with the games you've played, so he new the answer to  "Have you played a bunch of scum games?" would be no.  That would allow him to lock you in as town, based on what he said earlier.

 

Basically a cheap way to justify a TMI "read".

 

 

I dont think i would read me as a wolf if i knew me so i dont see what u see tress.

Current reads are

Yates town
Clov town
Cass town
Tress town
Bfg town

Jmm scum.

Expect me to itterate heavily in the background. Sometimes ppl find it fishy that i nudge and swap targets but i like to give reads breathing room. It also creates content. If something is important ill usually elaborate to persuade people

 

What makes you think BFG is town?  Jmm scum?  Neither of those seem like they should be above null to me.

 

 

Thane is also town in the derp clear sort of way.

 

He says the wolf instead of a wolf. Its a tentative meta read premised on him being selective about his word choice if he ever rands mafia for me.

 

....what?

 

 

Clov, I agree with the TMI thing here. Potentially scummy Sili-you interactions aside, this post comes across as fairly towny. Only gripe I have is that you didn't actually answer whether or not my own train of thought also made sense to you and if you actually read the game I was talking about/the interactions that made me 'paranoid'.
 

 

Not sure if you expected me to, but on re-read I realised I never really got back to you about this. 

 

 

Quote chopping ITT.

 

Sili

In a nutshell, at this point, I'm totally reading you as scum (again), but I'm interested in some elaboration from you before I vote.

- What are your thoughts/reactions to the above?
- Why should we be reading you as Town?
- What's the difference in your mind between a Town 'read' and a Town 'lean'?
- What was your reason for suggesting Clov was a likely Wolf? Do you have a reason for not elaborating at the time?
- You said chopping and changing is normal for you, and that you like to 'give your reads breathing room', but you 'pushed' Clov at least twice before suddenly dropping him and saying he actually seemed fine. Why?
- Why is jmm's question about the number of wolves scummy?
- How can you say you have Clov as Town because your interactions were 'likely v/v violence', but then claim you're 'spewed' clear if he is Scum? I can't follow that logic/don't see anything that points to either of these btw.

 

 

The whole post seems like a genuine attempt at trying to get a read on Sili, so I think that looks really good for Cass.  The questions in red especially sound like she's trying to understand how he's playing.  Only way she's mafia here is if she's going for a very long set up on him being inconsistent (or completely wasting time, I guess).  I don't think that's the case.  I'm pretty comfortable calling Cass town for where we're at.

 

 

My plan is to pocket you.  See how you respond.  Serious question; when is the last time I read you wrong?  I want to see that comfortable, free thinking, shoot from the hip Thane Town so I'm setting you up for it.  And if a "Be Nice" game isn't the proper format to get you to that place, I don't know what is.

 

Yates, can you elaborate on what you mean by pocket him here?  The end of the post seems to be a reasonably pro-town thing to do, but I'm getting hung up on the first sentence.  You don't normally see that expression used as a positive thing, or as a way of helping somebody establish themselves, as you seem to be doing with Thane.

 

 

I'll need to account for his lack of games but my thinking was his posts were too 'excited', and didn't say much. He only asks one question, how many mafia there are in an 8 person team with his second post. -felt like he might have done it just for town cred the way it was phrased.

 

 

Jmm, to that point.

 

 

 

 

 

Greetings and salutations, fellow ponies. 

-----------------

This is the extent of my MLP knowledge: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zHZj8Xp-Ik

 

 

Experienced mafia-ers: 

With 8 are we looking at 2 or 1 mafia probably? 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't see how you can possibly say he's been particularly excited.  More importantly, why is that alignment indicative?  I think most people associate having fun and being easy going as towntelling, because it reduces the concern they're hiding something.  I don't know there's much truth to it, but it seems to make more sense than somebody being scummy for it.

 

The second point is reasonable enough, I suppose.

 

Massive quote chopping in the one below.

 

 

 

 

- Picks up the 'pressure' on Sili. Uses Sili's 'read' of me as the base:

Valid but ... *shoves on tinfoil hat*... parts 'fit' my current theory that Sili and Clov are W-W, and my concern that I'm being set up by Scum again.

 

- Says he's confused as to how Sili can take a hard stance on my alignment based on my first post.

Agree with this, but then

 

- Asks why I'm 'incapable' of making that post as scum?

My opening being null is a valid point in theory, but in practice I don't like that he uses the word 'incapable' here, in a tone that suggests he's saying I'm actually 'capable' of making that post as scum. Same potential as before. Scum casting doubt on my alignment based on 'questions' of my ability. Sili 'brushes this off' by saying 'she's not incapable?'. Tinfoily as all bollocks? Maybe. Either way, I don't like it. 

 

 

- Pushes harder at Sili for saying 'All my reads are tentative of course' so early on, and questions the caveat Sili put on his read of me compared to others.

This actually came across as Town to me (and was the part I was referring to when I mentioned the partial mind-meld with Clov).

 

- Talks about the 'relevance' of their 'different' opinions and the fact that he's considering Sili might be scum.

Ok, but slightly off. Feels kind of fake. He say's he'd rather 'try to judge' Sili on his reads than on 'meaningless posts' from the first page, but did judge him there. And then agrees that 'miscommunication' doesn't make someone scum and (?over) explains the possibility that Sili's PM may have made him scum and that it's his job to figure that out. Appeals for Town cred by essentially explaining stuff that is rather obvious, and then associating himself with 'everyone's' likely reasoning (bold in spoiler).

 

 

 

 

 

Questions me directly

- Says he's not sure how me being set up as scum by scum would work.

- Asks me what I'm thinking/to explain.

Maybe I wasn't overly clear in my initial statements to Sili, but I found Clov asking for explanations on this odd because i)at the end of the last game, I thought it was pretty obvious that this had been one of scum's main ploys when it came to me, and ii) I distinctly remember Clov commenting on the DT/after the game. I kind of made these points in my response (bold in the spoiler). He hasn't posted since asking me the initial question, so I'm still waiting to see what comes up in his response to my explanation.

 

Other

Pretty much null

 

- Jokes in response to Yate's first post

Seemed purposefully flippant, but not necessarily scummy.

 

- Answers jmm's question about the number of scum likely to be in this game

Says two. Initially I took this as Town/null, and nobody else experienced has contradicted the answer so it's probably correct, but, just to dot i's and cross t's can the mod/other experienced players please confirm this is right, please?

 

 

@ Clov

 

It's not much to go on yet, but already I'm reading your posts with a scummish lean, especially in relation to Sili/points raised by Sili. At this point you seem to be the second most likely wolf to me. I know I haven't played a proper game with you and could just be tinfoiling/reading you all wrong so I'm interested to know your thoughts/figure this out further.

 

- What are your responses/reactions to the above?

- What is your current read on Sili, and why? 

 

 

 

Red - Well, yeah, that would be the implication there.  I think your opening post was pretty null, so the way Sili presented his thoughts on it seemed strange - I didn't feel there was anything that was alignment indicative so him implying you would have had to get massive Mafia (alignment, not the game) experience to make it as Mafia was off.  Bold red behind it though is a bad conclusion, though.  I'm not "casting doubt" on your alignment, and my stance had nothing to do with your ability.  I was casting doubt on what appeared to be a strong read off nothing.

 

As for the rest of it, honestly, most of it seems to be paranoia/tinfoiling.  You and I seem to have been seeing the thread the same way early on.  From your POV, I can understand (and appreciate) some concern that maybe I'm trying to side with you or something, but I think it's a little early to worry about that.

 

Section highlighted in blue is something that stood out to me as more than just tinfoiling.  If you feel it felt fake, I can't really do/say anything to refute that.  You're wrong about me judging him based off the first page fluff, though.  My read from him in post #29 is based on him

 

1) moving on from a presumable joke vote of BFG

2) his "vibes"

 

Effort isn't much to go on, but for the first few hours of the phase, I can appreciate somebody trying to get down to business.  Like I said, it wasn't very strong, but it was a better option that making a guess based on initial posts and mod-directed spam.

 

Now I'm feeling worse about him.  His justification for reading you as town as early as he did seems based off nothing, and his explanation on reading jmm just doesn't make sense to me.  It doesn't seem like he's reading the same thread I am.

 

 

The things that bother me here/read to me as having the potential to be off are in bold red.
 

The first part is highlighted because it honestly still reads to me like it could have been intended either way, and if you did mean to cast that subtle doubt... *insert previous argument about not liking being set up this way previously by scum here*

 

The second part stung only because of the barb in the tail. Given that it was early after my interaction in the last game that this concerning tactic started, I don't think any time would be 'too early' to 'worry' about that. I highlighted it the instant it felt similar to me to avoid the possibility of having to contradict/deal with it the entire game again - and it may be because it was nothing or something this time, but it hasn't happened since so I don't regret voicing my concerns.

 

The third part bothered me more before your answer at EoD about not being overly certain about the read than it does now

(but if Sili flips scum it will probably bother me somewhat again lol)

 

[Cass]

 

 

 

But if your read on Cass is also tentative, why didn't you caveat it the same way and instead used the caveat that she would be town unless she's played some games as mafia?

Sili-Cass scum team? Is possible.

 

 

 

 

TBH though Sili, I find this question slightly odd coming from you...

 

You wilfing against me again?

Sili and Virgin scum in an awkward distancing/buddying Tango? Oh yeah. I can definitely see it.

 

 

I won't say this hasn't occurred to me, but I'm not sure it's likely.

 

Sili generally comes across as ridiculously scummy to me, and this early game is no exception.  Cass giving me a town-ish vibe at the moment.

 

 

 

Town vibe from Clov.  Null on BFG.

 

*peers around waiting for Thane*

Why no read on Yates who you're mostly interacting with? Why am I null but nothing on Jmm?

 

 

Good points. Tressssssssss, did you ever answer this?? 

[Cass]

 

 

You played with Jmm last game? What's your opinion of him this game?

I'll let you know when I have one. I think he's going to be a hard read. Last game I thought he was scummy because he was "completely apathetic" and didn't "offer the thread an iota of actual game content to demonstrate he's read it in any detail." Plus, throughout the entire game he was never really "actively hunting for scum."

Yates, why are you linking everyone to Sili?

EVERYONE??? No, not everyone. I linked you to Sili and Cass to Sili. That's not everyone, that's two people. And I linked you because you were linked. I have a read on Cass that is separate from Sili so she has been successfully decoupled. The interaction between you two is my new shiny object, as per above.

 

 

 

With the caveat that I don't have the experience of playing with him directly,  I'm not so sure now that I agree with the 'completely apathetic' bit. After checking out the beginning of the ISO Sili linked, I actually found his attitude quite obviously cavalier in tone, as far as I have read...

 

I find this slight twist of words potentially suspicious, especially given that here you sound like you are/are going to be looking for a read on jmm because you expect to find him hard to read, but here, in the next post (highlighted bold red), you claim to have 'forgotten' he existed in the game...

 

 

 

 

dunno if i'm saying anything right but that's where i'm at. it's a been a challenge articulating my instincts.

It's been a challenge understanding them. Let me see if I follow your logic...

You think I haven't made enough Town reads to substantiate a POE list. A list that you asked me for [when you asked me who was scum]. On Day one. I've already hard cleared almost 30% of the game [2/7]. I think that's a good day's work.

You claim I'm looking for "notable content" from Thane and overlooked his tremendous content in this game and that's wolfy. I told Thane what I'm looking for. And he has been too guarded to provide it. This is NOT a lot of content for Town Thane. Go look at a Town Thane game and get back to me, son. [FYI - volume is now Town Thane public tell #2]

I am being "insanely reductive" in my assessment of Tress's game contribution being lacking due to illness. Do me a favor and quote for me the three most impactfull posts by Tress iyo. IMO? Probably the post where she calls you wolfy. Also, we currently have 13 pages of content. What, iyo, is her strongest post beginning with page 4, you know - once everyone started contributing content to the game?

I didn't mention JMM. You're right. I literally forgot he was even in the game. That's how little I think of JMM at this point in time. In all seriousness, I'm still waiting for him to do anything that resembles backing up his reads on Clov or myself or really anyone but Cass.

You claim there are at least two scum leans I haven't built a case on. Who HAVE I built a case on? And who are my scum leans? POE list =/= scum lean, bro. You know this. You used that to your advantage in Marlfox.

Speaking of Marlfox, is there another game we were in together where you "tinfoiled" on me like this? Pretty sure Marlfox was the only one.

 

 

Yates, since you've been reminded and shouldn't have 'forgotten' him again, what 'read' do you have on him now?

[Songstress]

 

 

 

 

But if your read on Cass is also tentative, why didn't you caveat it the same way and instead used the caveat that she would be town unless she's played some games as mafia?

Sili-Cass scum team? Is possible.

 

 

 

 

TBH though Sili, I find this question slightly odd coming from you...

 

You wilfing against me again?

Sili and Virgin scum in an awkward distancing/buddying Tango? Oh yeah. I can definitely see it.

 

 

I won't say this hasn't occurred to me, but I'm not sure it's likely.

 

Sili generally comes across as ridiculously scummy to me, and this early game is no exception.  Cass giving me a town-ish vibe at the moment.

 

 

 

Town vibe from Clov.  Null on BFG.

 

*peers around waiting for Thane*

Why no read on Yates who you're mostly interacting with? Why am I null but nothing on Jmm?

 

 

Good points. Tressssssssss, did you ever answer this?? 

 

 

I did, later, after my full reads list.

[Cass]

 

Honestly not great :/ but last game we were in I read him like this (inconsistency, seemingly random reads that change quickly and rapidly) and he flipped town. When he subbed in he was far less engaged objectively speaking. He didn't engage at all in the Wind in the Door game, although I think that would probably be a low point in his career.

 

This game he's engaged in a way I haven't seen him replicate as mafia yet. Additionally some of your points read differently to me as for once I was able to have in thread interaction.

 

 

Thanks for explaining. I went back and re-read trying to take some of this on board. Quoting here now as a reminder in case he does flip scum and it turns out that you're 'wrong' ;)

[Cass]

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Gah. Posts #532 and #533 - the formatting at the bottom's askew, no idea why. Can everyone still read them??

 

 

 

Hi all *catching up*

At a glance some interesting points and things to consider since EoD... Will re-read properly and get to my thoughts on some of that in a sec, but first, the specifics that stood out for me in my 'maybe/what if it isn't Sili' re-read

Disclaimer: These were pre-prepped

. I'll leave out the stuff I had down to ask jmm, for obvious reasons   .

 

Yey! There's our Cass!

 

*peers around for BFG*

 

 

 

Hey! *tentative smile*

[Thane Vakarian]

 

 

 

Did you really have no other reads/leans/ideas at this point, or was there another reason you weren't sharing? 1)

 

FWIW, I think there may be a couple of plausible reasons why this next point doesn't necessarily mean you're scummy, but this paranoia brings me back to the fact that I can't help but feel you're playing differently this game. Can you explain why you're coming across more guarded this time around (other than the possibility that you're Scum)?? 2)

 

1) at that point, they simply were my prime suspects too. For the moment, i think both of them still are. Call it a hunch.

2) i've explained in a previous post why i'm somewhat diffirent this game. but rest assured, it's still a town Thane here. 

 

(sorry for the botched quotes)

[Songstress]

*** End of pre-prepped posts/Back to real-time ***

 

Gah. Posts #532 and #533 - the formatting at the bottom's askew, no idea why. Can everyone still read them??

 

 

Well enough. It happens, unfortunately.

 

 

 

Hi all *catching up*

 

At a glance some interesting points and things to consider since EoD... Will re-read properly and get to my thoughts on some of that in a sec, but first, the specifics that stood out for me in my 'maybe/what if it isn't Sili' re-read

Disclaimer: These were pre-prepped

. I'll leave out the stuff I had down to ask jmm, for obvious reasons   .

 

Yey! There's our Cass!

 

*peers around for BFG*

 

 

 

Hey! *tentative smile*

 

 

*patpat* Is OK.  I understand you're wary of being buddied.

 

I've been anxious to see your latest thoughts.  BFG's the only one left to weigh in after start of day, and I'll be even happier to see her, if that makes you feel better.

[Sili Quirrels]

making suggestions that he later claimed not to believe himself, and refusing to explain why he thought people were scum - even to the point of stating that they weren't actually his scum reads.

 

like what suggestions?

 

and what people did i claim were scum? -because i rebuked the label when you applied it, and never went back. You were the one who pressed for names, by the way, and I gave 'suspects' if you will. I wasn't going to accept your arbitrary label that implies that i somehow had a case to offer.

[Songstress]

 

making suggestions that he later claimed not to believe himself, and refusing to explain why he thought people were scum - even to the point of stating that they weren't actually his scum reads.

 

like what suggestions?

 

and what people did i claim were scum? -because i rebuked the label when you applied it, and never went back. You were the one who pressed for names, by the way, and I gave 'suspects' if you will. I wasn't going to accept your arbitrary label that implies that i somehow had a case to offer.

 

 

If you insist on me casing you I will, but that's not the purpose of that post.  Patience, young padawan.  Or whatever.

[Sili Quirrels]

cass, is there anything you would like me to respond to?

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

making suggestions that he later claimed not to believe himself, and refusing to explain why he thought people were scum - even to the point of stating that they weren't actually his scum reads.

 

like what suggestions?

 

and what people did i claim were scum? -because i rebuked the label when you applied it, and never went back. You were the one who pressed for names, by the way, and I gave 'suspects' if you will. I wasn't going to accept your arbitrary label that implies that i somehow had a case to offer.

 

 

If you insist on me casing you I will, but that's not the purpose of that post.  Patience, young padawan.  Or whatever.

 

stop soft nudging. you've spent 4 or 5 pages now building it up after all, so just get on with it. if you mention everything i think you should i'll put you down as tentatively town.

 

glgl.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

 

Did you really have no other reads/leans/ideas at this point, or was there another reason you weren't sharing? 1)

 

FWIW, I think there may be a couple of plausible reasons why this next point doesn't necessarily mean you're scummy, but this paranoia brings me back to the fact that I can't help but feel you're playing differently this game. Can you explain why you're coming across more guarded this time around (other than the possibility that you're Scum)?? 2)

 

1) at that point, they simply were my prime suspects too. For the moment, i think both of them still are. Call it a hunch.

2) i've explained in a previous post why i'm somewhat diffirent this game. but rest assured, it's still a town Thane here. 

 

(sorry for the botched quotes)

 

fwiw i'm having a little trouble believing that post.

[Songstress]

 

 

 

making suggestions that he later claimed not to believe himself, and refusing to explain why he thought people were scum - even to the point of stating that they weren't actually his scum reads.

 

like what suggestions?

 

and what people did i claim were scum? -because i rebuked the label when you applied it, and never went back. You were the one who pressed for names, by the way, and I gave 'suspects' if you will. I wasn't going to accept your arbitrary label that implies that i somehow had a case to offer.

 

 

If you insist on me casing you I will, but that's not the purpose of that post.  Patience, young padawan.  Or whatever.

 

stop soft nudging. you've spent 4 or 5 pages now building it up after all, so just get on with it. if you mention everything i think you should i'll put you down as tentatively town.

 

glgl.

 

 

Patience.

 

The point is coming.

[Thane Vakarian]

 

 

 

 

Did you really have no other reads/leans/ideas at this point, or was there another reason you weren't sharing? 1)

 

FWIW, I think there may be a couple of plausible reasons why this next point doesn't necessarily mean you're scummy, but this paranoia brings me back to the fact that I can't help but feel you're playing differently this game. Can you explain why you're coming across more guarded this time around (other than the possibility that you're Scum)?? 2)

 

1) at that point, they simply were my prime suspects too. For the moment, i think both of them still are. Call it a hunch.

2) i've explained in a previous post why i'm somewhat diffirent this game. but rest assured, it's still a town Thane here. 

 

(sorry for the botched quotes)

 

fwiw i'm having a little trouble believing that post.

 

you're entitled to your opinion Sili. It's still true though.  

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

 

I dont think i would read me as a wolf if i knew me so i dont see what u see tress.

I might have agreed with you prior to seeing you wolf recently. But since I have? I'm Team-Tina on this. It's early. Just be you.

 

I think Yates was fielding for responses... like, the pairings were absurd.

 

Objectively you look very good if I flip scum.

 

 

 

A couple of thoughts here:

1. Let's say for the sake of argument that you are correct about me "fielding for responses." Now I know that you are already aware of it and adjusting responses accordingly. Plus, you haven't actually responded to the connection/accusation other than to acknowledge it and claim the "pairings were absurd." I'd really like it if you could stop being so guarded [like you have something to hide] and just freestyle rap wit me a bit.

 

2. The pairings aren't absurd to me. Your interaction didn't look like the interaction of two people that don't know each other's alignments. I happen to agree with Cass on one point; the way you treated her vs. the way you treated Clov was very different. Would you please [and thank you in advance] explain the rationale there in a way that makes some sense to me?

 

3. That "if I flip scum" stuff always pings. Rhetorical question: You don't know if you will flip scum or not? That's why your answer to question #2 will help me decide if we can frolic in the stream of Equestria together or if you need to be sent to the glue factory to be turned into glitter paste.

 

Even though I'm trying to consider things without tinfoil on you Sili... The bold. I don't think you've answered this, and it still bugs me... can you explain?

 

i already answered it. i said something like i wasn't obligated to read everyone the same way.

 

guess i don't understand where the question is coming from. is there a reason i should have read two different posts from two different people the same way?

[Clovdyx]

 

clov, i'm missing something from you.

 

what is your read on me?

 

You're in my mafia pool right now.  Throwing names out there earlier in response to...Tress?...when she asked who would be the one mafia and then trying to go back and say they weren't your reads doesn't make any sense to me.  You seem to be all over the place and the number of things I can't follow your thought process is considerably lower than the number of things I can.

 

 

I'm fighting off a cold and drained after 6+ hours of NFL Playoffs and chores. So I'm too lazy to do my typical Yates quote then respond thing...

Feel better!!
 

@Tress - Two questions for you, my lovely: 1. Would you mind explaining to me your read on BFG? I think you have more experience with her than I do and I'd like to know what you are seeing. And 2. Would you mind explaining your Thane read a little more as well? I'm a little confused as I read through your progression on him because sometimes it looks to me like you think he's scum but then you also say he is likely being "set up."

A'ight, I'll do the best I can for now.
 

1) Regarding BFG, I think she's responded well to the pressure you and Clov have put on her, and answered the questions that were raised sufficiently.  I didn't necessarily like parts of her argument against no lynch, but otherwise her end of day engagement was good and it felt like she was trying to resolve question marks.  I really want to hear more from her now that D2 has started, but I am not willing to lynch her today barring a really convincing case or a cop guilty.

 

2) Regarding Thane, he's always a big question mark for me.  I expect he'll come back in and explain his low participation, but that's really a null.  The main reason I think he's a somewhat poor suspect is that I don't believe he'd be clumsy enough to pointedly comment on jmm's PR hint, then nightkill him.  Not to say it's impossible, but it seems like a really amateur move, and as hard a time as I have discerning his alignment most games, I have a lot of respect for his instincts.    He's still in my questionable list, and we definitely need more from him today - hopefully all is well with him and his family, and we'll hear from him within a few hours

 

 

Is BFG your top town read now then?  I seem to recall you feeling pretty good about Cass earlier, so I'm trying to straighten your order out in my head.

 

 

@Sili - Serious question; why did you say this: "don't know why the wolves thought jmm would be a power role?" You are a clever pony and I'd like some help understanding your motivation here.

 

Easy villa points. Plus I had to distance myself from the kill due to a couple things I said and the way things went down at eod.

 

 

I don't understand how you think you saying that would earn you "easy villa points".  But this post just sounds awful.   People trying to distance themselves from kills is usually a bad sign...

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

 

 

making suggestions that he later claimed not to believe himself, and refusing to explain why he thought people were scum - even to the point of stating that they weren't actually his scum reads.

 

like what suggestions?

 

and what people did i claim were scum? -because i rebuked the label when you applied it, and never went back. You were the one who pressed for names, by the way, and I gave 'suspects' if you will. I wasn't going to accept your arbitrary label that implies that i somehow had a case to offer.

 

 

If you insist on me casing you I will, but that's not the purpose of that post.  Patience, young padawan.  Or whatever.

 

stop soft nudging. you've spent 4 or 5 pages now building it up after all, so just get on with it. if you mention everything i think you should i'll put you down as tentatively town.

 

glgl.

 

 

Patience.

 

The point is coming.

 

i hope. you're being very disingenuous.