[Standard] 11/10 Top Tier Vanilla+ Game Thread

[Kivam]

 

Des, I'm sorry, but I do have way more experience playing with both of them. I want to use my own judgement on them and I'll reference your posts, but don't expect me to agree fully with them. 

 

It's fine to say this, but to say you're going to ignore me, when I was genuinely trying to be helpful?

 

Kinda hurt, not gonna lie.

 

Keeping up with the thread at work, no time to really post.

 

But here:

 

 

 

You need to stop taking this stuff personally, Des.  If I say I think you're playing like garbage, it isn't a personal attack (like you said, I'm a fairly nice dude), and if Leelou says she's going to ignore you and do her own read, it's not an insult.  Deep breath, drop the Emo, and let's get this thread back on track, please.

 

(BTW, there's a very good reason why someone who doesn't play with Wes a lot or understand his moves would be tunneling on him the way you are.  No, I won't explain what it is.  Yes, I am defending him ... sort of, because as I said, the fact that his play reads townsided to those who've played with him a lot tells me absolutely nothing about whether he's town.)

[DPR]

 

 

DPR is giving me some bad juju recently.  Everything looks good on the surface, but it feels wrong. 

 

To me this reads "My friend doesn't like you and neither do I". By all means, post opinions and quotes and cases but knee-jerking to an obvious "Oldster vs. New Gen" cage match setup isn't going to help the town.

 

That's not really the case at all.  I met a few players here in a Champions game and got invited over.  I've been playing for quite a while. 

 

But it's cute how you try to assume that's the reason people are suspecting you.  Looks like an attempt to deflect.

 

 

It was your 2nd or 3rd post in a 50 page thread.

 

I've not searched, but prior to that I had you down for a couple of "Checking in and will comment later" type posts. The you pop in with "bad juju" and zero supporting points or evidence.

 

But definitely tell us more about this deflection.

[Kivam]

FYI, there are a few of us basically soaking up all the oxygen right now, and I am getting very, very leery of our coasters

[TheRagnarok]

 

 

 

DPR is giving me some bad juju recently.  Everything looks good on the surface, but it feels wrong. 

 

To me this reads "My friend doesn't like you and neither do I". By all means, post opinions and quotes and cases but knee-jerking to an obvious "Oldster vs. New Gen" cage match setup isn't going to help the town.

 

That's not really the case at all.  I met a few players here in a Champions game and got invited over.  I've been playing for quite a while. 

 

But it's cute how you try to assume that's the reason people are suspecting you.  Looks like an attempt to deflect.

 

 

It was your 2nd or 3rd post in a 50 page thread.

 

I've not searched, but prior to that I had you down for a couple of "Checking in and will comment later" type posts. The you pop in with "bad juju" and zero supporting points or evidence.

 

But definitely tell us more about this deflection.

 

You mean like the deflection you just did there?

[WWWwombat]

 

p. 51, Des needs to shut up about DPR.

 

Yeahhhhhhh def feel my WIM starting to sink. If I end up being right about DPR I'm genuinely going to be pretty upset with a number of you for acting this way to me.

 

It's one thing to address stuff I've brought up against him and say why I might be wrong, it's another to pretty much tell me to shut the hell up about my top scumread.

 

 

Dude.  DPR is in my oranges and I still think you're tunneling him.  Just talk about someone else for a bit.

[WWWwombat]

 

DPR is giving me some bad juju recently.  Everything looks good on the surface, but it feels wrong. 

 

To me this reads "My friend doesn't like you and neither do I". By all means, post opinions and quotes and cases but knee-jerking to an obvious "Oldster vs. New Gen" cage match setup isn't going to help the town. 

 

 

Questions:

 

@DPR - In your post here I don't see you coming down on a side of the authority issue wrt Despo.  Do you have an opinion on Despo taking the authoritative high ground and what is your follow-up opinion on Verb's use of the same play while interacting with Thane in the first few pages?

 

Krak, I don't undersstand what you are asking here. If you asking if I consider Des to be an authority on mafia, the answer is no (I've already noted what I think of his game).

 

Nor do I believe or support any "high-ground" plays. On D1, every player is equal. Wolves are gonna lie. We all know this. Until the dying starts, there is no high or low ground, there is only collecting posts to use as evidence of connections. 

 

I don't have a strong opinion on Verb or Thane yet.

 

 

 

Des: no better way to clear a teammate than by explaining his behavior in a post that also scumreads, because it has the full explanatory effect whole allowing the "I wasn't defending" play you are currently making. I have you mostly town, so I'm not putting to much weight on it, but it's a fact worth noting in case later play changes that read or you or Yates flip scum

Wow. Wifom up the wazoo. Is everyone taking crazy pills right now?

 

Kivam - this post is complete nonsense. You are creating a false connection here. I'm pointing out that I'm chastising you so that if you flip scum I can be cleared as Town. How do you like that "logic?"

 

Insane.

 

 

There is a 0% chance that Yates does not understand what Kivam is getting at. 

 

 

 

 

Des: no better way to clear a teammate than by explaining his behavior in a post that also scumreads, because it has the full explanatory effect whole allowing the "I wasn't defending" play you are currently making. I have you mostly town, so I'm not putting to much weight on it, but it's a fact worth noting in case later play changes that read or you or Yates flip scum

Wow. Wifom up the wazoo. Is everyone taking crazy pills right now?

 

Kivam - this post is complete nonsense. You are creating a false connection here. I'm pointing out that I'm chastising you so that if you flip scum I can be cleared as Town. How do you like that "logic?"

 

Insane.

 

 

Of course.  Scum who aren't setting up WIFOMs from Day 1 are asleep at the switch and asking to take their teammates down with them if they get caught.  You don't do that as scum?  I sure as hell do, which means I always keep my eyes open for it.  I also find it interesting that you are trying to imply that there is no possible connection between you and DesLami.

 

 

Yates is a very skilled player. He's fun to watch, adept at big plays and absolutely not afraid to kick off D1 with strong moves. 

 

 

 

I could see DPR and Kivam being scum both. Kivam running interference for DpR here.

 

You're not the only one.

 

 

I could see DPR and Kivam being scum both. Kivam running interference for DpR here.

Oh God I hope not.  I'm trying to cut them both some slack because I got burned scum reading Rags in his first game back.  But damn.  The stuff they are honing in on is so frivolous and nonsensical I just can't understand the logic...

 

 

Awwww guys, we appreciate you and all but it's really not necessary.

 

 

 

I could see DPR and Kivam being scum both. Kivam running interference for DpR here.

 

I agree. And he's kind of trying - and very awkwardly I must say - to defend DPR without looking like he's defending DPR

 

Anyways, Imma go ahead and get out a fresh POE, then I need to start doing some errands cause ho lee krap I have been on here all friggin day

 

 

 

 

I've asked some questions and made some statements about players and moves I thought they might be making.

 

I've been very specific about what I consider to be fact and what I consider to be speculation.

 

I expect and encourage everybody else to do the same. 

 

On D1, it's all conjecture, and the more GRC players add, the more we'll find out who's radar is on, etc.

 

I find Yates 3A speech to be total bullshit. I find Yates Seer claim to be WIFOM, which in and of itself is not big deal. But, I find Des explaining Yates claim to be a possible connection between the two. I've made this clear. I find Des backtracking on his initial enthusiasm over the effectiveness of Seer Cover to be a reaction to my calling it a possible connection. I find Sili picking up the Seer Cover Support Points conversation this morning to be suspicious and another possible connection.

 

I'm not going to get into a flame war with Des because Des is an emotional train wreck. Des is obsessed with me and it's unfortunate, but there it is. 

 

All of this is documented and clear. No muss, no fuss.

 

For this afternoon, I see a concentrated effort to paint that "Oldster vs. New Gen" argument. To me, this is a pure scum technique - what a waste of everybody's time to fold up a buch of meta-paper-airplanes and send them all across the room.

 

If I was scum and somebody was pinging in on me on D1 with 30 hours to go until lynch, I would try to derail the thread with:

 

1. Emotional over posting intended to bury posts and poison players reps.

2. Steer any conversation away from points that could be damaging.

3. Poop on the thread so that people avoid it and don't talk. 

 

I'm watching at all of these things taking place right now. 

 

 

First post of yours I've liked in a while.  Don't NK me tonight?

[DPR]

 

 

 

 

DPR is giving me some bad juju recently.  Everything looks good on the surface, but it feels wrong. 

 

To me this reads "My friend doesn't like you and neither do I". By all means, post opinions and quotes and cases but knee-jerking to an obvious "Oldster vs. New Gen" cage match setup isn't going to help the town.

 

That's not really the case at all.  I met a few players here in a Champions game and got invited over.  I've been playing for quite a while. 

 

But it's cute how you try to assume that's the reason people are suspecting you.  Looks like an attempt to deflect.

 

 

It was your 2nd or 3rd post in a 50 page thread.

 

I've not searched, but prior to that I had you down for a couple of "Checking in and will comment later" type posts. The you pop in with "bad juju" and zero supporting points or evidence.

 

But definitely tell us more about this deflection.

 

You mean like the deflection you just did there?

 

 

If by "deflection" you mean "direct response", yes.

[WWWwombat]

p. 55 the AtE from Des is getting ridiculous.

[WWWwombat]

FYI, there are a few of us basically soaking up all the oxygen right now, and I am getting very, very leery of our coasters

 

Yep.

[hazelkrs1]

I've asked some questions and made some statements about players and moves I thought they might be making.

 

I've been very specific about what I consider to be fact and what I consider to be speculation.

 

I expect and encourage everybody else to do the same. 

 

On D1, it's all conjecture, and the more GRC players add, the more we'll find out who's radar is on, etc.

 

I find Yates 3A speech to be total bullshit. I find Yates Seer claim to be WIFOM, which in and of itself is not big deal.

Sorry DPR but bolded to me looks like a bunch of fluff. Why even say this here?

 

Enlargened tho is kinda funny to me. Here's your initial thoughts on Yates' claim:

 

SUPGATE - Salami soft serves an invitation to make hay. Darthe and Womby bite, but at different ends and the ball starts rolling. HWSIDI moment? 

 

Darthe is so weary. Like, depressing weary. Why so serious?

 

D1 Yates decides to make a "Just Say No To Drugs" speech and claim Seer to clear Dice. That's like, really really town. Really.

 

Pushers gonna push.

 

Doesn't really LOOK like you thought the claim was wifom. Looks like you accepted it at face value, and thought Yates was really, really town for it. Really.

 

Am I misrepping you? This is your quote, completely unadulterated aside from me enlargening the specific part

 

But, I find Des explaining Yates claim to be a possible connection between the two. I've made this clear. I find Des backtracking on his initial enthusiasm over the effectiveness of Seer Cover to be a reaction to my calling it a possible connection. I find Sili picking up the Seer Cover Support Points conversation this morning to be suspicious and another possible connection.

 

I didn't backtrack on any enthusiasm over the effectiveness of Seer Cover because I NEVER expressed any enthusiasm about the effectiveness of Seer Cover in the first place.

 

If you can show me where I did, I will GLADLY self vote. 

 

I'm not going to get into a flame war with Des because Des is an emotional train wreck. Des is obsessed with me and it's unfortunate, but there it is. 

 

All of this is documented and clear. No muss, no fuss.

 

For this afternoon, I see a concentrated effort to paint that "Oldster vs. New Gen" argument. To me, this is a pure scum technique - what a waste of everybody's time to fold up a buch of meta-paper-airplanes and send them all across the room.

 

This is all DPR trying to deflect and make it look like my suspicions are about something outside the game thread or something.

 

I have brought up SPECIFIC things against DPR multiple times, that he is continuously avoiding answering, and then tries to make me out to look like a hopeless fool.

 

This is scummy behavior, plain and simple.

 

If I was scum and somebody was pinging in on me on D1 with 30 hours to go until lynch, I would try to derail the thread with:

 

1. Emotional over posting intended to bury posts and poison players reps.

2. Steer any conversation away from points that could be damaging.

3. Poop on the thread so that people avoid it and don't talk. 

 

I'm watching at all of these things taking place right now.

Firstly, I actually went after YOU first, not the other way around buddy. And I have engaged you MANY times and brought up numerous things which you have again and again ignored. So this isn't you going after me then me responding, this has been me going after you and you avoiding me.

 

1. Show me where I try to bury posts and poison players reps. I certainly don't remember doing that. And I'm an emotional player, but this isn't calculated on my part. I genuinely don't enjoy being misrepped, and I don't enjoy when my top scumreads are dodging every point I raise against them. Enough of this and I get frustrated, especially when others are trying to dismiss my concerns.

 

2. What? Again, SHOW me where I have tried steering the conversation away from points that could be damaging to me. SHOW ME. I have addressed anything said against me, and brought up things I found significant. You have avoided those things. Then you accuse ME of steering conversation away?

 

 

3. I would actually LOVE it if people would talk more about the points I've raised, and I have encouraged this numerous times. Not trying to "poop on the thread".

[Andrej]

 

Greetings Village Marshall General.

 

Your trusty Village Captain is reporting for duty.

 

Shall we slay some wolves together this Day?

 

I think we should.  Do you have word from the Lord Protector?  Has he clarified our rules of engagement?

 

Indeed.

 

Engage any and all wolves on sight commands the Lord Protector.

 

To include possible sheep in wolves clothing.

[WWWwombat]

 

 

Greetings Village Marshall General.

 

Your trusty Village Captain is reporting for duty.

 

Shall we slay some wolves together this Day?

 

I think we should.  Do you have word from the Lord Protector?  Has he clarified our rules of engagement?

 

Indeed.

 

Engage any and all wolves on sight commands the Lord Protector.

 

To include possible sheep in wolves clothing.

 

 

Any villagers known to be in the area?  Also, are you buddying me?  Cuz it's working.

[Leelou]

 

 

Greetings Village Marshall General.

 

Your trusty Village Captain is reporting for duty.

 

Shall we slay some wolves together this Day?

 

I think we should.  Do you have word from the Lord Protector?  Has he clarified our rules of engagement?

 

Indeed.

 

Engage any and all wolves on sight commands the Lord Protector.

 

To include possible sheep in wolves clothing.

 

 

Is coffee included? 

[dicetosser1]

I'm here!

 

*Dances*

 

SHOW TIME!!

 

OK. I'm gonna post some of my early/'current' reads, along with some questions for Town at this point. I'd like to really encourage everyone who has played with the people I’m wary about – and those I’m not wary enough of - before to weigh in on this for me, because I think your meta on them will be pivotal to my decisions and the way I cast my votes, but I’m wary for what this means down the track if the majority of people who post replies are Wolf.

 

(I don’t think it’s worth dismissing this as me asking for people to baby me, either, since the way I see it, at this point the number of Town vastly outnumber the number of Wolves, and pooling our collective meta on everyone now is the best way to ensure what we’re reading isn’t building bias based on an over-representation of strategic Wolf...).

 

Here goes.

**Disclaimer: These are early reads and I’m not completely caught up yet. This is a work in progress but I thought it would be better to post now, holes and all, than wait and let my ‘non-contributions’ vibe grow.  My reads are not yet in any order and they’re (obviously) based on gut reactions to wording and timing at this point, rather than insights into implications on tells and the theories of how people tend to play the game. I’m hoping game progression and y’all can help me with that. Tips on how to be faster would also be appreciated. (Like, for example, is there a way to find a full list of posts from a single player in the thread? I’ve asked mentorbat but timezones are making that weirdly ineffective now). Anyway. Early thoughts(!) on some not all players    

 

 

Yes. I realise that's a three paragraph introduction. I'm wordy. I warned you...

 

 

 

DICE

Dice’s interactions with me at this point seem very normal Dice. I don’t have time to backsearch all the pages to analyse his interactions with others (yet), but I think it may be important to note for the future of this game that I don’t think you can judge his allegiance by the way he interacts with me. He feels responsible for me in this game, and we’re mates - he is treating me with kidd gloves. And I get the feeling he will continue to do so for the rest of the game, whether he wants to or not, regardless of whether he randed Wolf or Town, unless it really, really comes to the crunch. Read his reflection on me here again and I think you’ll see what I mean.

 

Because we’re mates and Band Cavvy pals, I automatically start with him in Town but, staying honest, my jury is out on him until I go back and read all of his posts.

 

His reflection on me is pretty accurate, except for the nerves part - now that I’ve started and people have responded/mentioned I’m ‘endearing’ (  @ Desp ) I think I’m all good *g*. But I’d like to clarify for everyone what he meant when he said in the Turbo game my reads were ‘just a little too late’. My insight is not necessarily slow. My posting unfortunately is (I’m working on it!!). After being (understandably) mislynched N1, I followed the game live and actually did end up with all the right reads before the final votes/wagons were pushed in the game. I’m taking that as a good sign. Dice may be right about activity being a problem for me initially though. I’m busy with work from 430am til 630pm (at the earliest) Mon-Wed etc and I really am just plain slow. 

 

Dicey, thanks for unvoting me, and I hope we’re on the same team . Frankly though, if you’re not, you’re GONE . Seduce me.

 

 

 

 

dramatically hands cass her fav flower.  Looks like im not gone then :D

 

howdy Cass

 

Glad to see you're ITT. (In The Thread). Your fav lawbreaker is town here, no worries about that. Now, i just need to figure out your allignment, so we can go hunting wolves together (or, i unfortunately have to lynch you with the other townies)

 

You post looks pretty descent, how's Manbat treating ya?

 

you are NOT Chae......

[Kivam]

Des: Try reading "really, really town. Really." in a sarcastic tone of voice and see how that feels to you.

[TheRagnarok]

 

 

 

 

 

DPR is giving me some bad juju recently.  Everything looks good on the surface, but it feels wrong. 

 

To me this reads "My friend doesn't like you and neither do I". By all means, post opinions and quotes and cases but knee-jerking to an obvious "Oldster vs. New Gen" cage match setup isn't going to help the town.

 

That's not really the case at all.  I met a few players here in a Champions game and got invited over.  I've been playing for quite a while. 

 

But it's cute how you try to assume that's the reason people are suspecting you.  Looks like an attempt to deflect.

 

 

It was your 2nd or 3rd post in a 50 page thread.

 

I've not searched, but prior to that I had you down for a couple of "Checking in and will comment later" type posts. The you pop in with "bad juju" and zero supporting points or evidence.

 

But definitely tell us more about this deflection.

 

You mean like the deflection you just did there?

 

 

If by "deflection" you mean "direct response", yes.

 

Your whole 'this is just the new guys vs old guys' is a very blatant deflection.  Not to mention that the number of posts I had at one point of the game has literally no bearing on whether I'm a 'new guy'.

[Andrej]

##Unvote

 

[v]##Pral[/v]

 

I'm okay giving Sili another phase to get his head around. His latter postings more align with how I see his villager game and I'm sort of backing off this because other players I'm skeptical of joined the wagon for what I see are bad reasonings.

 

Pral is generally going to be non-contributing so I don't really sweat lynching him early. There's also the fact his prior slot holder apparently did enough consider damage to be in the fore front so I'm content to get the swing and then let NAs shake out to see where we land D2.

 

Yes I am consolidating on someone I don't have a particularly strong read on, get over it. I doubt I'll be around for EOD to change my vote so I'd rather sponge my other town reads and make it count towards lynching a good suspect.

[WWWwombat]

Des: Try reading "really, really town. Really." in a sarcastic tone of voice and see how that feels to you.

 

I've never known DPR to use sarcasm.  Ever.

 

 

 

*snort*

[Kivam]

 

If you can show me where I did, I will GLADLY self vote.

 

Des: this is never a town play. Never. Like never ever.

[WWWwombat]

##Unvote

 

[v]##Pral[/v]

 

I'm okay giving Sili another phase to get his head around. His latter postings more align with how I see his villager game and I'm sort of backing off this because other players I'm skeptical of joined the wagon for what I see are bad reasonings.

 

Pral is generally going to be non-contributing so I don't really sweat lynching him early. There's also the fact his prior slot holder apparently did enough consider damage to be in the fore front so I'm content to get the swing and then let NAs shake out to see where we land D2.

 

Yes I am consolidating on someone I don't have a particularly strong read on, get over it. I doubt I'll be around for EOD to change my vote so I'd rather sponge my other town reads and make it count towards lynching a good suspect.

 

FWIW, I'm thinking of moving off Pral but idk where to go :(

[DPR]

Des, when I said "really, really town. Really" I was being sarcastic. Really sarcastic.

 

I've never had to do this before and it's surreal to me that I have to now, but I'm going to have to ask that return your autographed DPR Fan Club poster and membership wings.

 

Okay, I need to be alone for a while.

 

Oh, and I can't believe you offered to self-vote.

 

OMG. 

[hazelkrs1]

 

(BTW, there's a very good reason why someone who doesn't play with Wes a lot or understand his moves would be tunneling on him the way you are.  No, I won't explain what it is.  Yes, I am defending him ... sort of, because as I said, the fact that his play reads townsided to those who've played with him a lot tells me absolutely nothing about whether he's town.)

 

 

I've played with DPR a few times, and have also read a number of his games from the past

 

Not going to try and pretend I'm an expert on how to read him, but I have SOME experience, and regardless I've brought up rock solid stuff against him that is is completely dodging and evading, which is what he did last time he was scum and I was pressuring him

 

Sorry, not going to drop my hunt just because you think his play is townsided (even tho you can't say what parts of his play are townsided this game)

 

 

 

p. 51, Des needs to shut up about DPR.

 

Yeahhhhhhh def feel my WIM starting to sink. If I end up being right about DPR I'm genuinely going to be pretty upset with a number of you for acting this way to me.

 

It's one thing to address stuff I've brought up against him and say why I might be wrong, it's another to pretty much tell me to shut the hell up about my top scumread.

 

 

Dude.  DPR is in my oranges and I still think you're tunneling him.  Just talk about someone else for a bit.

 

 

I've talked about plenty of other people. You have any thoughts on any of my other reads? Can you go into more detail on why you think Rags is town btw? He's in my grays currently

 

 

 

Also for the record, for those just thinking I'm stuck in a tunnel on DPR:

 

Last game I played with him he was scum and I was town and I helped "catch" him on Day Freaking One. That game doubles as prob the most frustrating mafia game of my entire mafia career.

 

FYI, this reads as a post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy of the type that makes me really, really want to play poker with guys who won a big pot by river-ing out an inside straight.  (And in New Orleans, I actually hit a straight flush on the river, which will never happen again).  Just because you did something that had a good result doesn't mean it was the right thing to do.  Mafia's a lot like poker that way; good plays can have bad results and bad plays good results on individual occasions, but over the long term bad play will lead to bad results and good play to good results.

 

 

I was in the game too and DPR was pretty obvious.  Also, Des falling prey to a logical fallacy that supports his conclusion is par for the course.

 

 

At one point in time, we used to have a mutual respect for eachother's game Wombat.

 

Guess those days have passed.

 

/shrug

[Andrej]

 

##Unvote

 

[v]##Pral[/v]

 

I'm okay giving Sili another phase to get his head around. His latter postings more align with how I see his villager game and I'm sort of backing off this because other players I'm skeptical of joined the wagon for what I see are bad reasonings.

 

Pral is generally going to be non-contributing so I don't really sweat lynching him early. There's also the fact his prior slot holder apparently did enough consider damage to be in the fore front so I'm content to get the swing and then let NAs shake out to see where we land D2.

 

Yes I am consolidating on someone I don't have a particularly strong read on, get over it. I doubt I'll be around for EOD to change my vote so I'd rather sponge my other town reads and make it count towards lynching a good suspect.

 

FWIW, I'm thinking of moving off Pral but idk where to go :(

 

Damnit Wombat.

[Leelou]

 

##Unvote

 

[v]##Pral[/v]

 

I'm okay giving Sili another phase to get his head around. His latter postings more align with how I see his villager game and I'm sort of backing off this because other players I'm skeptical of joined the wagon for what I see are bad reasonings.

 

Pral is generally going to be non-contributing so I don't really sweat lynching him early. There's also the fact his prior slot holder apparently did enough consider damage to be in the fore front so I'm content to get the swing and then let NAs shake out to see where we land D2.

 

Yes I am consolidating on someone I don't have a particularly strong read on, get over it. I doubt I'll be around for EOD to change my vote so I'd rather sponge my other town reads and make it count towards lynching a good suspect.

 

FWIW, I'm thinking of moving off Pral but idk where to go :(

 

 

I was actually going to vote Arsis, but then he replaced out. His play felt off and he was misrepping a few people/tells. 

 

Darthe is always a viable option. I really need to sit down and read though before I vote. 

[DPR]

 

 

 

 

 

 

DPR is giving me some bad juju recently.  Everything looks good on the surface, but it feels wrong. 

 

To me this reads "My friend doesn't like you and neither do I". By all means, post opinions and quotes and cases but knee-jerking to an obvious "Oldster vs. New Gen" cage match setup isn't going to help the town.

 

That's not really the case at all.  I met a few players here in a Champions game and got invited over.  I've been playing for quite a while. 

 

But it's cute how you try to assume that's the reason people are suspecting you.  Looks like an attempt to deflect.

 

 

It was your 2nd or 3rd post in a 50 page thread.

 

I've not searched, but prior to that I had you down for a couple of "Checking in and will comment later" type posts. The you pop in with "bad juju" and zero supporting points or evidence.

 

But definitely tell us more about this deflection.

 

You mean like the deflection you just did there?

 

 

If by "deflection" you mean "direct response", yes.

 

Your whole 'this is just the new guys vs old guys' is a very blatant deflection.  Not to mention that the number of posts I had at one point of the game has literally no bearing on whether I'm a 'new guy'.

 

 

Alrighty then.