[Advanced] Revenge of the Marlfox

[Leelou]

 

Key is there, Des is missing.

Still need a nap???

 

Yes??? or a gallon of coffee???

[Yates]

just had a thought in the shower. Definetly want to hear opinions plz.

 

 

What is the OPTIMAL play for Mafia on N2 in this game?? Is it better to

 

a) RB the jailkeeper and kill tommy, a suspected  BP gaining ureself 2 kills if true?

 

or 

 

b) is it better to RB and KIL the jailer now, then take out tommy tomorrow or later?

B. Absolutely B. That's what raised a HUGE red flag for us after the reveal. We also wanted BFKey to claim an action early for the same reasons we wanted Manbat to claim early. It's too bad Arsis claimed right away because it would have been awesome for him to catch them in a lie.

[Yates]

Sili - you had some strong opinions on Days 1 and 2 that mostly panned out [as you were happy to point out]. Why are you light blue reading BFKey? Is it just the roleclaim or is it game play? I've learned to read Key pretty well - especially after hydra partnering with her - and I haven't seen any of her benchmark Town tells. I just want to know what you are seeing and I am missing...

[Verbal32]

just had a thought in the shower. Definetly want to hear opinions plz.

 

 

What is the OPTIMAL play for Mafia on N2 in this game?? Is it better to

 

a) RB the jailkeeper and kill tommy, a suspected  BP gaining ureself 2 kills if true?

 

or 

 

b) is it better to RB and KIL the jailer now, then take out tommy tomorrow or later? 

 

B

 

If a Cop, then probably RB them into oblivion knowing you're likely tying up the Doc as well and can fire into the crowd.

[Verbal32]

So, let me get this straight.

 

-- Monstr, claimed Psychiatrist, visited me last night

 

-- Arsis, claimed Watcher, watched Monstr last night and nobody visited

 

-- Hallia, claimed JOAT [who tracked AJ N1], did something last night

 

-- BFKey, claimed JK, jailed Tommy last night

 

-- Tommy was killed

 

 

 

We know Krak confirmed protections work against multiple sources, so we can't say that maybe AJ shot Tommy.  We know Tommy was a NK.  Meaning that either BFKey was RBed, or is lying.

 

Here's the thing:  I don't think they claim they jailed Tommy if they were lying.  Why not go for a similar scenario as N1 and jail who they thought was town, and claim they were WIFOMing the mafia?  That's the easiest thing to claim.  Having to fight through a RBer discussion still puts them in harm's way for a lynch.  I'm warming up on BFKey.

 

 

I think Arsis is being miscleared.  Even after Tommy admitted I'm town, he still tried to push Hallia, myself and Leelou.  There would be 1 teammate in there (IMO), and 2 townies.  I'm already suspicious of Hallia, so that leaves me with~~

 

Arsis/Hallia/Dice/???

 

I could change that depending on what Hallia reveals about night actions last night.  I think we need to hear all the details.....like, now.

[Leelou]

I'm very skeptical with Hallia's claim. 

[Nynaeve]

Vote Count

 

Dice (1): Pral

Alanna (1): Dice

 

 

Not Voting (10): The rest of you lot

 

 

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

 

 

Deadline: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20141107T12&p0=2133&csz=1

[Alanna]

At this point I definitely think we have at least one scum among our claims. Monstr is the only one of them I'm strongly townreading at this point.

 

Tinfoil cap is on. I need to get a better handle on this game.

 

Is a JOAT different from a jack in any special way? Do they have specific abilities, or could it be anything?

[Leelou]

At this point I definitely think we have at least one scum among our claims. Monstr is the only one of them I'm strongly townreading at this point.

 

Tinfoil cap is on. I need to get a better handle on this game.

 

Is a JOAT different from a jack in any special way? Do they have specific abilities, or could it be anything?

 

It is typically a one shot of certain abilities given by the mod. I am having a hard time believing there is a JOAT and a watcher in town. I'd like to hear from Hallia the rest of her reveal. 

[Alanna]

Yeah, it seems a little overpowered. The mafia team would have to have some big guns to counter that combination.

[monstrman]

Ya ya know what I bet key is a villager

 

I bet I was shot n1 and protected from it

[monstrman]

I'm sorry I couldn't save you sili I tried so hard :(

[monstrman]

Rags/hallia wagons imo

 

Let's get nuts

[Yates]

We know Krak confirmed protections work against multiple sources, so we can't say that maybe AJ shot Tommy.  We know Tommy was a NK.  Meaning that either BFKey was RBed, or is lying.

 

Here's the thing:  I don't think they claim they jailed Tommy if they were lying.  Why not go for a similar scenario as N1 and jail who they thought was town, and claim they were WIFOMing the mafia?  That's the easiest thing to claim.  Having to fight through a RBer discussion still puts them in harm's way for a lynch.  I'm warming up on BFKey.

My concern here is why would they LIE when they know there's a Watcher who could have been watching Tommy. So this is still null.

[Yates]

There's something I think we need cleared up here. I'm assuming natural action resolution but this forum doesn't always abide by standard mafia definitions and protocols so I need to make sure on this:

 

@Mod - hypothetically, if someone was blocked would a watcher see them visit their target?

[Arsis]

Arsis , why monstr last night?

Why not? I figured tommmy would be jailed so scum would have to take a shot elsewhere. I'm not a tracker so if I watched key I couldn't see where they went.

[Yates]

@Arsis - What do you think of Hally's JOAT claim given your own PR?

[Alanna]

 

Arsis , why monstr last night?

Why not? I figured tommmy would be jailed so scum would have to take a shot elsewhere. I'm not a tracker so if I watched key I couldn't see where they went.

I don't think it was a bad choice. It just seems likely mafia targeted him N1, and I'd be surprised if they tried him again. And I think key would have been a viable choice, because I would think scum might have tried to kill them.

 

The more I think about it, they really were the most logical choice for the nk. Not sure what to make if that.

[Arsis]

So, let me get this straight.

 

-- Monstr, claimed Psychiatrist, visited me last night

 

-- Arsis, claimed Watcher, watched Monstr last night and nobody visited

 

-- Hallia, claimed JOAT [who tracked AJ N1], did something last night

 

-- BFKey, claimed JK, jailed Tommy last night

 

-- Tommy was killed

 

 

 

We know Krak confirmed protections work against multiple sources, so we can't say that maybe AJ shot Tommy. We know Tommy was a NK. Meaning that either BFKey was RBed, or is lying.

 

Here's the thing: I don't think they claim they jailed Tommy if they were lying. Why not go for a similar scenario as N1 and jail who they thought was town, and claim they were WIFOMing the mafia? That's the easiest thing to claim. Having to fight through a RBer discussion still puts them in harm's way for a lynch. I'm warming up on BFKey.

 

 

I think Arsis is being miscleared. Even after Tommy admitted I'm town, he still tried to push Hallia, myself and Leelou. There would be 1 teammate in there (IMO), and 2 townies. I'm already suspicious of Hallia, so that leaves me with~~

 

Arsis/Hallia/Dice/???

 

I could change that depending on what Hallia reveals about night actions last night. I think we need to hear all the details.....like, now.

Lmfao, Tommy admitted you're town and I still pushed you means that I didn't agree with Tommyrod. Tommy also said "if you're town it screws up my read of the game" He flipped vt not cop. You're play is low level this game. Regroup and try again this time from a more town angle. See, you're scum so you know manbat is town so my watching him isn't surprising to you. To someone actually town it might cause them to wonder.

 

You're so scummy it hurts. That type of trying to make a subtle connection between you and a dead townie. The emotional manipulation of tommy before. The silly push of Thane super early day 1. You're scum and the lynch today for anyone paying attention to the game.

[Arsis]

@Arsis - What do you think of Hally's JOAT claim given your own PR?

Joat is scum 9/10. Hallia has played scummy. That's all I need to know. Verbal/hallia need to be lynched.

[Krakalakachkn]

@Mod - hypothetically, if someone was blocked would a watcher see them visit their target?

 

The way I conceptualized roles for this game, if a target is blocked they still travel from their "house" to their target but are unable to do anything once they arrive.  

[Yates]

Alright Arsis, talk me down off a ledge. I'm trying to make sense of the game so bare with me for a couple of posts:

 

Here are the Town PR claims:

 

Monstr - Physchiatrist

BFKey - Jail Keeper

Arsis - Watcher

Hally - JOAT

 

Des - Fake claimed Vig N1.

 

I get why scum would have passed on Tommy's BP claim. I especially get why scum would have skipped if they saw you claim Watcher watching Tommy. My tinfoil here is this; why would you claim so soon? You either paint a target on your back [a target that wasn't shot at, btw] or you just told the scum team who NOT to shoot - thus undermining the ONE PERFECT CHANCE we had to find scum. So this annoys me. It annoys me enough that I start questioning the Town motivation.

 

Given all the claims out there currently, and how you played your role, I start wondering how a JOAT, a JK, and a Watcher can all exist in a game - especially if a JOAT can do the work of the Watcher. So you see why I'm taking all of these claims with a grain of salt right now?

 

Also, @Monstr:

Why wouldn't you just target AJ again, Monstr? Was Hally somehow giving you "third party" vibes?? We had ONE 3rd party claim. I'm not sure why you don't just keep investigating it.

 

I'm uncomfortable with this play. And I need to think about what that means.

[Yates]

 

@Mod - hypothetically, if someone was blocked would a watcher see them visit their target?

 

The way I conceptualized roles for this game, if a target is blocked they still travel from their "house" to their target but are unable to do anything once they arrive.

 

Right. So if Arsis is claiming no one visited Tommy - the NO ONE visited Tommy. No one was blocked from that kill. That starts making me feel better about BFKey AND Monster.

[Yates]

@Mod - hypothetically, if someone was a Watcher and watched a target, would that Watcher see themselves visiting their target?

[Yates]

Again. Needs to be cleared up. Krak isn't using normal natural action resolution so I don't want to make assumptions.