[Advanced] Revenge of the Marlfox

[Yates]

I watched Des last night, and no one visited him.

I'm not even going to weigh the merit of wasting the watcher ability on Des.

 

If you are to believe Hally, then that means that scum RBed us *AND* tried to kill us last night.

 

OR - there is no scum RB.

Man bat was saved by the JK N1.

We were protected/blocked by the JK N3.

We were saved/blocked by the JK last night.

Hally is Scum JOAT.

Des is a LLL trying desperately to save his scum JOAT.

Lynch Hally today.

Profit???

[Yates]

[v]##Hally[/v]

[Yates]

There is no scenario where a scum RB exists and didn't block Town Hally - JOAT, Town BFKey - JK, or Town Des - Doc just so they could RB us KNOWING we were going to be NKed.

[BFG]

Here, sort of :/

 

Internet connection is patchy, but I'll catch up as much as I can.

[BFG]

 

I watched Des last night, and no one visited him.

I'm not even going to weigh the merit of wasting the watcher ability on Des.

 

If you are to believe Hally, then that means that scum RBed us *AND* tried to kill us last night.

 

OR - there is no scum RB.

Man bat was saved by the JK N1.

We were protected/blocked by the JK N3.

We were saved/blocked by the JK last night.

Hally is Scum JOAT.

Des is a LLL trying desperately to save his scum JOAT.

Lynch Hally today.

Profit???

 

We targeted Dice Night 3, rest seems ok.

[BFG]

 

BFG  why do you think sili is lock cleared?

Because of yesterday's VC.

 

There's a little more than that. Given Rags voted so late, I'm counting wagons as we were at L2, so I'm saying that there can't be more than one mafia amongst you 2 and Serf, however.

 

At this stage for sanity's sake Lates must be town, plus because of last nights No Kill.

 

Dice has done a few things I don't see mafia! Dice doing as they draw negative attention, plus he's been against Des who I think is mafia, voted Hallia throughout most of yesterday who I think has a good chance of being mafia. And Des spent a lot of yesterday trying to get Dice lynched.

 

Serf is because of Day 1. Berf was the leading wagon going into EOD1, and if I recall was saved primarily because of Tommy pushing the lynch towards Sili and then onto Thane :/ I think Day 1 if he was mafia that mafia would have tried harder to save him, yet everyone that was around and against his train have either flipped town or I'm leaning town on (although I need to reread)

 

I should have perhaps said LOCKCLEAR for today /shrug

[BFG]

 

sili you could tell me when yates became BFG....

 

 

Yates do you plan on letting BFG answer things she is asked first at any point here?  thats twice today.

Okay. I'll let HER tell you that math dictates it by virtue of her being ALIVE. The wagons were her and Des. All she needed was 1 more vote to be lynched. Let's say she's Town. If she's Town, that means ALL of the scum were already on her wagon. That's her point. I think it's obvious and I'm not breaking some secret gambit.

 

Yeah, a little more :)

 

I think this strongly suggests that Rags isn't on a mafia team with one of you three though.

[BFG]

Dude I don't know lol.

 

Hallia hasn't even checked in yet today

 

But eh something like this I guess:

 

Me: Doc'd Lates (this I KNOW)

You: Tracked me, apparently blocked (this I believe to be true)

Pray: nada, out of shots (believe this too)

Hallia: ???

Scum RB (imo BFKey): RB Hallia

Scum NK: Lates

 

That's prob what I would guess

This makes no sense

[BFG]

 

Des in you little outline there of NAs  where does Yates get RBd?

 

Meant to say Scum RB targeted him, not Hallia

 

I'll be honest tho- it would seem to be strange that scum would NK AND RB Lates. Maybe they wanted to cover their bases?

 

I dunno. Maybe they holstered a kill. Seems unlikely to me, but eh.

 

Regardless, all I know is I'm the Doc. I know my own actions. I know I've followed my instincts all game, they've been off at times but I think they finally cashed in towards the end.

 

And I also think town is VERY unlikely to have a JK AND Doc in this setup, considering everything else.

 

Ninjaed by several days

 

And Ok

[BFG]

 

 

so we're twiddling our metaphorical thumbs until halia decides to show herself?

 

that seems rather chill for day 5. i like it.

Me too. We can take time to meditate.

 

No point going any further missing a huge piece of the puzzle.

 

 

 

Deadline is now 3pm tomorrow.

 

[BFG]

Des the problem is it's either BFKey/Dice/Serf or Des/Hally/Rags (Pral) for teams. I would really like to hear from Hallia, it'll help me get some more perspective.

So what's your opinion on Alanna?

[BFG]

wait, did pral target yates ?

 

second wait, someone take a look through his iso to see if he mentioned it was one shot. leelou also assumed it was a 1 shot so i'm not totally bonkers.

 

2 shots my ass. dun even know if he's a roleblocker anymore

I don't understand what you're trying to say here. Do you think Pral is town or mafia? If town why would a straight RB target Latest, given Pral is presumably town reading Latest given he believes Des.

 

 

What do you guys think about this theory...

 

Hally is Scum JOAT?

Possible, I'm pretty happy to say she's likely mafia but I don't know if we have enough information to speculate on roles

[BFG]

I don't really care to because your reasons for shipping us together are rigged, and because Yates and I are the only obvious answers due to last day's wagons.

Worth remembering that votes weren't locked in yesterday. Not sure how to explain it well, but what matters is vote mobility, who could have voted where.

[BFG]

Has key holder even been playing since like d3?

No, she's made some comments in our QT about the game and was kind enough to let Krak know and then post on here that I was having connection issues, but this isn't her focus right now

[BFG]

I mean this sincerely Leelou- is there anything I can do to show you that I'm town? Don't really see you engaging me at all, which makes me sad since I have tried SOOO hard to help town win this game.

 

What inconsistencies for instance?

Not Leelou, but of the top of my head

 

Stating that you didn't think there was a doc in this game - I don't buy that you thought you needed to distance from a possible night kill given that there are so many claims in the game that you 'believe'.

 

Saying that you protected us N3 so that we could protect Tommy - this is clearly made up reasoning. First off Tommy was killed Night 2, so we couldn't have possibly protected him further if you meant one of the other Power Roles, then it means you were believing us at the time about being RB'd, this means that if you wanted another role to be protected you should have done it, since we were RB'd the night before, so can't guarantee protecting anyone. Basically you made up reasoning that sounded good. I think Dice? Pointed this out already and I don't recall a response yet.

 

The not believing that there are 2 protective roles and a one shot, yet not blinking at 2 investigative roles and a 3 shot.

 

Pushing Lates despite having him as LOCK CLEAR.

 

Pushing Dice over us yesterday inspite thinking we had a PR...

[BFG]

Let's recalibrate, shall we?

 

We know we had a Town Watcher. Arsis

We know we have a Town Tracker. Us

 

Because we had a Town Psychopath [AJ] I feel better about accepting Manbat as a Psychiatrist. I have to admit that I was tinfoiling really hard on this one due to the EXTREMELY rare occurrence of this role. I've played probably over 100 mafia games and have never played with one before.

 

No one is arguing that we have at least a JK *OR* a Doc. So let's take both BFKey and Des out of the lynch pool.

 

If scum had 4 members, I think either BFKey *or* Des would be dead since I think there was at least ONE other Townie on Des with us and it only took 6 to lynch for the win.

 

So if scum have 3 members? And Town PR's look like this; Watcher, Tracker, Psychiatrist, JK/Doc??? Where is there room for a Town JOAT?

 

[v]##Hallia[/v]

 

Final answer.

I seriously doubt it's a 3 man team. So either Des is mafia, or the mafia couldn't move their votes around for whatever reason.

 

If it is a 3 man team I doubt that Manbat is town - if he succeeds in converting the SK that effectively turns the game 13v3 although there's a possibility that the SK would shoot town, helping mafia out. But a 3 man team AND a psychiatrist doesn't work?

[BFG]

personally, not that confident hally is scum, and i think depending on the scum team it's very possible hally's spew points to pral being scum.

 

but yeah, good job on the game solve. i wish i had your conviction.

??? I don't understand what you're trying to say here

 

If you don't think Hallia is mafia then her 'spew' can't clear or vilify anyone. Plus if Hallia is town then she viewed Pral as town, given watcher/tracker claims it's very unlikely that mafia have a GF, as it becomes a pointless role

 

so the only way Pral is mafia is if Hallia is as well.

[BFG]

 

 

So why should I just trust blindly in the setup spec here, when I have tried sooooooo hard to win this for town?

Okay. Let's drop setup spec for a minute. Look at her gameplay and claimed NA's. And look at how her posting changed once Cory left. And finally, look at her voting history.

 

Examples:

Hally claims Sili and Pral were her biggest scum suspects after Day 1.

Who did she track N1? Not Sili or Pral.

Would I buy that she tracked AJ the Survivor claim? Sure. Is that the easiest fake read to give on Day 2 given there was no SK kill? Uh... yup.

 

Cop on Pral N2 would make sense. Is a "cop" view on a Townie the easiest role to fake? Uh... yup.

Is that the perfect cover story if that is the night you used your RB role as scum JOAT? Uh... yup.

 

Hally Doc protect on Des N3. By your own admission, you've been playing this game to appear VT. Would YOU protect a VT when there is a Watcher, a Tracker, a JK, and a mostly confirmed - Town Consensus - Psychiatrist all on the table? Nope. Not buying it.

 

 

The problem with this is the context. No, it was not the easiest role to fake up because it came up in the spur of the moment.

 

After you claimed cop, if Hallia was indeed scum, she would have no way to know that you were faking it. She would have thought you were actually the scum and would have claimed cop just to trap you. This I find hard to come from Hallia because she did this almost minutes after you claimed cop. If she was baiting you, don't think she had time to discuss with her scummates and I don't see Hallia as a player who would immediately jump into a gambit. That counter claim seemed very genuine.

 

Talking about faking, I find both BFG's actions more fake.

 

Her N1 action on Manbat came after manbat talked about being blocked

Her N2 action was that she was blocked ... very convenient

Her N3 action was that she blocked you - again after you said you were blocked.

 

I don't see how BFG's actions make sense while Hallia's do not.

 

Also, just to put it here, monstr claimed psychiatrist AFTER AJ flipped psycopath. AJ's flip is not a proof for monstr being town.

 

LIES :(

 

We claimed well before Manbat (both role and target), and Manbat wasn't questioned about the wording of his replies from

 

We targeted Dice N3 and Lates N4

 

 

Bolded - ??? If Hallia were mafia and you were town, she'd know full well that Lates were making it up. If you were both mafia she could still know that it was made up if you had a ninja on the team instead of GF, if Hallia was mafia and they had a tracker on the team or watcher they could know who Latest viewed and know he was making it up.

 

I need to check how long it was before Hallia came into thread after the gambit, I thought there was a longer time interval than that

[BFG]

The crazy tinfoil side of me thinks that Lates is actually scum as well and trying to do ANYTHING to keep from having to lynch BFKey, the likely scum RB, and that I dunno Yates had them holster the NK last night or something

 

Don't get why they push the Hallia lynch SO MUCH in light of errthing pointing against that, and then finally when people show they really don't wanna lynch there, instead they switch to Sili instead

 

Like, I have Sili as scum as well, and if anything he keeps outing himself further each day, but I still think BFKey is the priority lynch today, if town wants me to have a chance at saving someone tonight

Can add this to your lost of inconsistencies as well.

[BFG]

actually i believe key not you. that simple.

 

<3

 

Just posting to say that BFG is having internet issues, she's working in Morocco and it's been down since Thursday night. She borrowed a coworker's phone today to message me. Said to tell you that she's going to make time to go to an internet cafe tomorrow so she can post/catch up in the game.

 

(I'm still out because I could literally pop at any time - due date was yesterday.)

 

 

 

And good luck!!!

 

 

[hazelkrs1]

Kinda done caring about this game Tbqh.

 

Not scum, haven't lied anytime since early gambits Irt Vigging Tommy, and any "inconsistencies" pointed out on me are weaksauce anyways, and easily explained by me just straight up not knowing who scum are or what NA's they might have done

 

I agree that BFKey and Lates don't seem to be possible as scumbros after thinking about it since even IF Yates had had them holster last night, he still wouldn't have holstered N1.

 

All that really means tho is what I thought originally, that Yates keeps getting played big time by the scum team /shrug

 

Hallia watching me last night makes absurd amount of sense considering my Doc claim, don't at all get why someone thought THAT didn't make sense

[BFG]

Let me try something else; is there anyone strongly opposed to lynching BFKey??

Holds hand up

 

 

Jfc just CONSIDER for ONCE that you might be wrong here for the love of God. At this point you're either scum or honorary scum member, to keep pushing it this long

 

And your implied point about BFKey being town because there's not as much resistance to lynch her is weaksauce too. First of all, Dice has made it clear he will basically never vote her today, and Sili has acted like he would but again, I HIGHLY doubt he'll ever vote her today either. Second, most people probably realize that BFKey is the obvious choice for lynch here- I have proven myself town several times over this game, otoh that slot has TONS of questions against it that really don't make sense unless they're scum. Stuff like them claiming a blocking role- kinda funny since according to you there is pretty much a DEFINITE scum RBer. Stuff like them being tracked to the N2 NK. Stuff like BFG pulling all those quotes D1 like she was going to do stuff with them later, only BEVER following up on that and instead conveniently being there at EOD to help get a townie lynched

 

Come on man, look at the GIANT mound of evidence in front of you.

 

Or w/e, don't, and after we lynch BFKey and Dice and Serf, if the game isn't over we'll pretty much know YOU are the final scum

Except it makes NO sense to block and kill Tommy, which is what you're saying we did especially given Arsis claimed Night 1.

 

Pulled those quotes and finished at 2 in the morning. There wasn't much point in going back to them, partly because Tommy pointed out, correctly that he was the one that kept coming back to us, I've pointed out problems I had with Pral's addition to that conversation and by the time I was in the game 'properly' the game had moved on.

 

Krak's also explained how he's treating night action resolution.

 

And yes, I was around end of Day 1 since I couldn't sleep, and that's an awful argument, especially since you're arguing that I'm mafia with Serf.

 

Mostly, according to YOU Lates can't be mafia,.

[BFG]

 

 

Let me try something else; is there anyone strongly opposed to lynching BFKey??

Me obviously

 

 

Come on man, look at the GIANT mound of evidence in front of you.

Like the fact that NO ONE has come to BFKey's defense? Does that sound like someone with teammates? OR look at all the people that are so totally sure Hally is Town based on super weak confirmation bias.

 

THAT was the test. You are getting played, dude. Hally is scum.

 

Yes. Yes it does. Because there are two options. Key flips town and game over. Or Key flips scum and if her teammates start defending her beforehand, they out themselves.

 

 

I think Rags just outted himself

 

a) no way theyd do that now considering what you just said

 

b) hows about the option that their teammates are bussing them?

 

c) how about their teammates are visibly being seen to push for their lynch? look at how long people have been saying lynch bfg/key yet they arnt lynched yet.

 

 

##unvote vote rags

 

Here Dice hilariously outs himself, as Pray said desperately trying to get any townie he can lynched (for posting gifs lol). Sili sheep's this vote as well, or the other way around I can't remember, and some comical levels of distancing abound

 

Lol, Dice elaborates a few posts later or did you miss that?

[BFG]

Kinda done caring about this game Tbqh.

 

Not scum, haven't lied anytime since early gambits Irt Vigging Tommy, and any "inconsistencies" pointed out on me are weaksauce anyways, and easily explained by me just straight up not knowing who scum are or what NA's they might have done

 

I agree that BFKey and Lates don't seem to be possible as scumbros after thinking about it since even IF Yates had had them holster last night, he still wouldn't have holstered N1.

 

All that really means tho is what I thought originally, that Yates keeps getting played big time by the scum team /shrug

 

Hallia watching me last night makes absurd amount of sense considering my Doc claim, don't at all get why someone thought THAT didn't make sense

The inconsistencies I pointed out have NOTHING to do with whether or not you know who the mafia are, but to do with the thought process behind how you used your role. WHY did you protect us Night 3, since the reason you gave is OBVIOUSLY bogus.

 

WHY are you pushing a 3 man mafia team against THREE investigative roles?

 

WHY did you say there wasn't a doc in the game?

 

HOW does any of this have to do with whether or not you know who the mafia are?

[Sili Quirrels]

i respect your wim bfg. did you really read everything?

 

i had doubts about pral so i did a little fact-checking and confused myself. awkward.

 

yates is convinced hallia's scum. i merely suspect. and if she is scum, i disagree. her spew doesn't clear pral.

 

i go back and forth on some people because they sound so town sometimes. it's very annoying.