[Advanced] Revenge of the Marlfox

[hazelkrs1]

That's ridiculous Sili. I've shown a willingness to readjust reads THE ENTIRE GAME. I just really thought Hallia was town before she started going inactive, and inactivity for her considering she's inactive everywhere is null for me.

 

I could give two craps about you voting me dude, I'VE HAD YOU AS SCUM FOR A WHILE NOW.

[Sili Quirrels]

I got no compunctions over voting for you desp.

 

Far as i can figure there is a 40/60 chance you flip scum, maybe 30/70, but if you're going to be a nit and stop adjusting your reads on people like hallia due to confirmation bias, then removing you from the game is +1 to my ego.

Ebwp

[Sili Quirrels]

That's ridiculous Sili. I've shown a willingness to readjust reads THE ENTIRE GAME. I just really thought Hallia was town before she started going inactive, and inactivity for her considering she's inactive everywhere is null for me.

 

I could give two craps about you voting me dude, I'VE HAD YOU AS SCUM FOR A WHILE NOW.

so, in face of poor night actions, cory's scum tells collected by a prolific player like dingus, overreactions, and a couple sketchy posts she's made, you're certain that the slot is town?

 

I'm curious what you think the percentage likely hood of her flipping wolf is.

[Yates]

So why should I just trust blindly in the setup spec here, when I have tried sooooooo hard to win this for town?

Okay. Let's drop setup spec for a minute. Look at her gameplay and claimed NA's. And look at how her posting changed once Cory left. And finally, look at her voting history.

 

Examples:

Hally claims Sili and Pral were her biggest scum suspects after Day 1.

Who did she track N1? Not Sili or Pral.

Would I buy that she tracked AJ the Survivor claim? Sure. Is that the easiest fake read to give on Day 2 given there was no SK kill? Uh... yup.

 

Cop on Pral N2 would make sense. Is a "cop" view on a Townie the easiest role to fake? Uh... yup.

Is that the perfect cover story if that is the night you used your RB role as scum JOAT? Uh... yup.

 

Hally Doc protect on Des N3. By your own admission, you've been playing this game to appear VT. Would YOU protect a VT when there is a Watcher, a Tracker, a JK, and a mostly confirmed - Town Consensus - Psychiatrist all on the table? Nope. Not buying it.

[Yates]

I'm totally serious here and not kidding, if we're not voting one of my top scumreads today, and specifically BFKey since I think she is VERY likely to be scum RBer, than I'd rather yall just lynch me today so I don't have to worry about this game anymore.

Well, if you are so convinced that she's Town, why not just help us lynch her and end the game anyway?

[Sili Quirrels]

Despot, question, is hallia an associative read for you?

[Yates]

I don't know, Des. I want you to be Town but that AtE post makes me feel bad. You can beat me up post game if I'm wrong about Hally and show me the posts that make her so likely to be Town.

 

Still, I can't remove setup spec from the game solve. There's just no way I can reconcile having all these Town PR's with just 3 scum.

[Sili Quirrels]

yates, give me a sequence of who you want to vote from least to most?

[Yates]

Hally. 90% scum, here. That's about as close to a sure thing as you are going to get.

 

The rest will fall in line based on her flip and role.

 

Otherwise, it will be out of the VT claims minus Pral. I think Pral is spewed Town at this point.

[hazelkrs1]

Here's why I think Hallia is town, or at least some of her towniest posts imo:

 

I can chat in real time.

I'm thinking Leelou is town, based on tone

 

Villager Hallia will def dole out townreads early on, Scum Hallia will buddy people but won't actually put her neck on the line for others much

 

She didn't bugger off after her meetings. She's posting with confidence, but not in a defensive way. Her answers are satisfactory

- why I think leelou is town

And I hate vinegar chips ><

 

Hallia justifies her town read of Leelou well

 

Why Arsis?

 

Any group of people joke back and forth like that D1

 

Or did you have a better reason?

 

Hallia defends someone else when she doesn't understand the reasoning behind the push

 

The way he broke it up, and added the actual answer to  a spoiler.

 

Hallia responds instantly to Alanna about what she felt off about AJ

 

You're all pretty.

Can we talk about THIS game?

 

Hallia makes a concerted effort a TON in the early game to keep everything civil, very protown obviously

 

 

 

You have provided no reasoning for thinking it of me, and shady weak reasoning for Cory.

Good luck with that.

True enough but it's still day 1. I'm just concerned with getting my thoughts in thread. Having people interact with me so when I die people can come back and see what's what. Your tone has been off all game.

But you haven't! You haven't said why you think Im scum. What is off about my tone? That I'm not as fluffy?

 

 

Hallia showing backbone is a big towntell for her

 

Show me where I'm super defensive?

Or nervous?

What's innappropriate?

 

Moar backbone

 

These vague generalities aren't cutting it.

 

Again, backbone

 

I'm liking Dices play this game. I would say he's town, personally. This confidence is good, and I've seen him get flustered as scum. He isn't really having any trouble here.

 

Again, Hallia defending a townread

 

I'll do it for you AJ <3

@Verb - thane has been wayyyy more active, and with dices changes, those are some pretty bad WTLs

 

Defends townreads for her, and this could easily be seen as when she first thought Verb might be scum (and why she would have followed my case easier later on)

 

Hallia- thoughts on Thane?

 

 

I believe hes town, as I said earlier. He hasn't changed

 

Hallia instantly responds to Leelou, stays consistent in her townread of Thane

 

 

Hallia's done a bit of emotional manipulation this game. It's something that would be extremely repugnant, the way cory described it. And I agree, because I almost feel the same.

But conversely, it's a hydra which means meta should be applied loosely.

What??! I've played this game openly. I WANT you to show me where I did that.

 

 

 

I don't like being misrepresented. If I'm being flakey or fluffy, I'll take that, but don't say I'm doing something when I'm not.

 

AGAIN, more backbone. I REALLY liked these posts from Hallia when I first saw them, and still do

 

 

 

 

Hallia's done a bit of emotional manipulation this game. It's something that would be extremely repugnant, the way cory described it. And I agree, because I almost feel the same.

But conversely, it's a hydra which means meta should be applied loosely.

What??! I've played this game openly. I WANT you to show me where I did that.

It's 120 pages lol. I remember you expressing yourself in an emotional way, in a manner that would be straightforward if you were town, or emotional manipulation if you were a wolf.

"Hallia manipulating people!"

"Where?"

"I don't know, but you did it!"

 

 

Yup

 

Morning guys.

@Tommy - I know Monstr was smellin what I was selling, I'm surprised at you.

Also
- the million pages makes it hard to catch up ><

But as it stands, I grudgingly take my scum read off of Arsis. Still think Sili is the way to go, did you not see that scum scramble at EoD yesterday? And the way his wagon stalled? I'm completely with Des there. I think Alanna does have some personal issues as she said, and I'm willing to cut her a little slack. And again, Prals postings leave something to be desired. Look at Berfs and then look at his.

 

Explains why she had a scumread on Pray, which explains why she would have viewed him later

 

If you think I'm a slanker then you're sorely mistaken. Not having 800+ posts doesn't mean I'm slacking off. I'm quite proud of my activity this game.

 

Moar backbone

 

Hey hallia

pls fill these buckets ty

Villagery:
Me
Arsis
Des
Monstr
Dice
Tommy

Slightly Villagery:
Lates

Neutral:
Rags
Alanna
Berf


Slightly Wolfy:
BFKey
Verb

Wolfy:
Sili
Pral



/quote]

Ugh that was hard in mobile >< autocorrect hates all of your names

 

Consistent in her reads

 

Also: if you'll look back, you'll see that he was my only firm scum read, so it is interesting at he showed town to me.

 

And again, this explanation makes sense imo, since Pray was a scumread for her

[Sili Quirrels]

personally, not that confident hally is scum, and i think depending on the scum team it's very possible hally's spew points to pral being scum.

 

but yeah, good job on the game solve. i wish i had your conviction.

[hazelkrs1]

 

That's ridiculous Sili. I've shown a willingness to readjust reads THE ENTIRE GAME. I just really thought Hallia was town before she started going inactive, and inactivity for her considering she's inactive everywhere is null for me.

 

I could give two craps about you voting me dude, I'VE HAD YOU AS SCUM FOR A WHILE NOW.

so, in face of poor night actions, cory's scum tells collected by a prolific player like dingus, overreactions, and a couple sketchy posts she's made, you're certain that the slot is town?

 

I'm curious what you think the percentage likely hood of her flipping wolf is.

 

 

1. Poor NA usage doesn't make someone scum

2. The rest of that crap is vague accusations that hold absolutely zero water

3. I think the likelihood of her flipping wolf here is like MAYBE 10%

 

 

So why should I just trust blindly in the setup spec here, when I have tried sooooooo hard to win this for town?

Okay. Let's drop setup spec for a minute. Look at her gameplay and claimed NA's. And look at how her posting changed once Cory left. And finally, look at her voting history.

 

Examples:

Hally claims Sili and Pral were her biggest scum suspects after Day 1.

Who did she track N1? Not Sili or Pral.

Would I buy that she tracked AJ the Survivor claim? Sure. Is that the easiest fake read to give on Day 2 given there was no SK kill? Uh... yup.

 

Cop on Pral N2 would make sense. Is a "cop" view on a Townie the easiest role to fake? Uh... yup.

Is that the perfect cover story if that is the night you used your RB role as scum JOAT? Uh... yup.

 

Hally Doc protect on Des N3. By your own admission, you've been playing this game to appear VT. Would YOU protect a VT when there is a Watcher, a Tracker, a JK, and a mostly confirmed - Town Consensus - Psychiatrist all on the table? Nope. Not buying it.

 

 

Sili and Pray weren't her biggest suspects after D1, Arsis was. She then started to back off of that scumread D2, and switched to Sili and Pray. I think her having scumreads on both makes sense as well, Sili WAS misrepping her, and Pray wasn't really posting much

 

I don't think it made sense for her to Doc protect me N3. But again- poor NA usage DOES NOT MAKE SOMEONE SCUM

 

 

I'm totally serious here and not kidding, if we're not voting one of my top scumreads today, and specifically BFKey since I think she is VERY likely to be scum RBer, than I'd rather yall just lynch me today so I don't have to worry about this game anymore.

Well, if you are so convinced that she's Town, why not just help us lynch her and end the game anyway?

 

 

Then I'd have to play through the Night Phase still, and I'd be pissed at you the entire time again

 

Despot, question, is hallia an associative read for you?

 

No, not in the slightest

 

I don't know, Des. I want you to be Town but that AtE post makes me feel bad. You can beat me up post game if I'm wrong about Hally and show me the posts that make her so likely to be Town.

 

Still, I can't remove setup spec from the game solve. There's just no way I can reconcile having all these Town PR's with just 3 scum.

 

I don't even think the setup spec is that strong really. It's really just gaming the mod. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT SCUM MIGHT HAVE.

 

They might have a floating laser wtfbbq flying pumpkin role for all you know

 

Bold: haha ninjad

 

Hally. 90% scum, here. That's about as close to a sure thing as you are going to get.

 

The rest will fall in line based on her flip and role.

 

Otherwise, it will be out of the VT claims minus Pral. I think Pral is spewed Town at this point.

 

Hallia isn't even CLOSE to 90% scum here. You're just being completely unwilling to look at it from my perspective, you want to just keep assuming youre right, even tho the only real point you have here is setup spec

[Sili Quirrels]

Right, desp posted one too many wots. Not getting mixed up in this.

 

Bye.

[hazelkrs1]

Right, desp posted one too many wots. Not getting mixed up in this.

 

Bye.

[TheRagnarok]

I'm not lynching Hallia today.

 

##vote bfkey

[Yates]

I'm not lynching Hallia today.

Why not? Show me.

[Yates]

Pral?

Alanna?

Dice?

Manbat?

 

Would you guys be willing to lynch Hallia? If not, why not?

[Pralaya]

 

So why should I just trust blindly in the setup spec here, when I have tried sooooooo hard to win this for town?

Okay. Let's drop setup spec for a minute. Look at her gameplay and claimed NA's. And look at how her posting changed once Cory left. And finally, look at her voting history.

 

Examples:

Hally claims Sili and Pral were her biggest scum suspects after Day 1.

Who did she track N1? Not Sili or Pral.

Would I buy that she tracked AJ the Survivor claim? Sure. Is that the easiest fake read to give on Day 2 given there was no SK kill? Uh... yup.

 

Cop on Pral N2 would make sense. Is a "cop" view on a Townie the easiest role to fake? Uh... yup.

Is that the perfect cover story if that is the night you used your RB role as scum JOAT? Uh... yup.

 

Hally Doc protect on Des N3. By your own admission, you've been playing this game to appear VT. Would YOU protect a VT when there is a Watcher, a Tracker, a JK, and a mostly confirmed - Town Consensus - Psychiatrist all on the table? Nope. Not buying it.

 

 

The problem with this is the context. No, it was not the easiest role to fake up because it came up in the spur of the moment.

 

After you claimed cop, if Hallia was indeed scum, she would have no way to know that you were faking it. She would have thought you were actually the scum and would have claimed cop just to trap you. This I find hard to come from Hallia because she did this almost minutes after you claimed cop. If she was baiting you, don't think she had time to discuss with her scummates and I don't see Hallia as a player who would immediately jump into a gambit. That counter claim seemed very genuine.

 

Talking about faking, I find both BFG's actions more fake.

 

Her N1 action on Manbat came after manbat talked about being blocked

Her N2 action was that she was blocked ... very convenient

Her N3 action was that she blocked you - again after you said you were blocked.

 

I don't see how BFG's actions make sense while Hallia's do not.

 

Also, just to put it here, monstr claimed psychiatrist AFTER AJ flipped psycopath. AJ's flip is not a proof for monstr being town. 

[Pralaya]

I am also not lynching Hallia today.

 

It is either Sili or BFG.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

So why should I just trust blindly in the setup spec here, when I have tried sooooooo hard to win this for town?

Okay. Let's drop setup spec for a minute. Look at her gameplay and claimed NA's. And look at how her posting changed once Cory left. And finally, look at her voting history.

 

Examples:

Hally claims Sili and Pral were her biggest scum suspects after Day 1.

Who did she track N1? Not Sili or Pral.

Would I buy that she tracked AJ the Survivor claim? Sure. Is that the easiest fake read to give on Day 2 given there was no SK kill? Uh... yup.

 

Cop on Pral N2 would make sense. Is a "cop" view on a Townie the easiest role to fake? Uh... yup.

Is that the perfect cover story if that is the night you used your RB role as scum JOAT? Uh... yup.

 

Hally Doc protect on Des N3. By your own admission, you've been playing this game to appear VT. Would YOU protect a VT when there is a Watcher, a Tracker, a JK, and a mostly confirmed - Town Consensus - Psychiatrist all on the table? Nope. Not buying it.

 

 

The problem with this is the context. No, it was not the easiest role to fake up because it came up in the spur of the moment.

 

After you claimed cop, if Hallia was indeed scum, she would have no way to know that you were faking it. She would have thought you were actually the scum and would have claimed cop just to trap you. This I find hard to come from Hallia because she did this almost minutes after you claimed cop. If she was baiting you, don't think she had time to discuss with her scummates and I don't see Hallia as a player who would immediately jump into a gambit. That counter claim seemed very genuine.

 

Talking about faking, I find both BFG's actions more fake.

 

Her N1 action on Manbat came after manbat talked about being blocked

Her N2 action was that she was blocked ... very convenient

Her N3 action was that she blocked you - again after you said you were blocked.

 

I don't see how BFG's actions make sense while Hallia's do not.

 

Also, just to put it here, monstr claimed psychiatrist AFTER AJ flipped psycopath. AJ's flip is not a proof for monstr being town. 

 

That's all very speculative and strikes me as self induced-naivety in respect to hallia, or confirmation bias if you're town. Given her breadcrumb post, Scum!halia might have even started the day planning to claim a role, and since we don't know the details there's no use in drawing unwarranted conclusions over it to lock clear her.

 

Frankly this defense of her is half-baked, which combined with your apathy up to day 3, and your tendency to tunnel towns, I wouldn't be surprised if Hallia actually did false clear you just to throw us off

[Sili Quirrels]

This said, and my thoughts having been made, I wouldn't mind lynching key if it came down to the wire.

 

You make good points, if a little forced, and eschews the fact scum likely have two types of rbs if key is actually scum.

[Sili Quirrels]

End of the day, when every decision is a potentially crippling one, and when a game has lasted for as long as this one (especially for me), I just want to have a call be made and then followed through upon.

[Alanna]

I still want to lynch BFKey. I'm frustrated we didn't get a lynch yesterday, because I feel like we're just going in circles with all these night actions. 

 

##BFKey

 

It's not really like Hallia to not even check in for several days. Wonder if she has RL stuff going on. 

[Sili Quirrels]

Ditto with alanna. it does feel like we're constantly going around in circles.

 

it's gotten quite bothersome.

[Sili Quirrels]

Ebwp

 

@Alanna, Ditto. it does feel like we're constantly going around in circles.

 

it's gotten quite bothersome.