[Advanced] Revenge of the Marlfox

[hazelkrs1]

Dice you're outed as well, thank you for that

 

 

I solved the game at least- thinking it's BFKey, Serf, and Dice. Don't think they have a fourth scumbro now thy, just judging from how they've played today.

[hazelkrs1]

 

It's not a gambit Yates. I assure you with the utmost Ned Nerlanderingness here.

This means nothing from someone who *just* told me I should take advantage of stuff like this as scum. Plus, only AJ is Ned Nederlander. Plus Plus, you already straight up lied to my face on a cross your heart and hope to die claim of vig.

It was meant I be semi tongue in cheek. I truthfully hope you do make the right choice and believe me, really think town can pull this one out as long as y'all make the right call today

[Yates]

I solved the game at least- thinking it's BFKey, Serf, and Dice. Don't think they have a fourth scumbro now thy, just judging from how they've played today.

So with a Doc, Watcher, Tracker, and JOAT - you think scum only have 3? And just a couple of hours ago you were talking about mylo?

[hazelkrs1]

So I asked Leelou about this in our QT.

 

She says Des has been inconsistent.

She has also been uncomfortable with BFKey all game.

 

Then she said it's MY call.

 

Des/BFG Thunderdome. Go!!

I'm also about to go to bed. I've thunderdomed enough imo. BFG went to go lay low and hope her teammates could bail her out here (Serf and Dice are certainly trying)

[hazelkrs1]

 

I solved the game at least- thinking it's BFKey, Serf, and Dice. Don't think they have a fourth scumbro now thy, just judging from how they've played today.

So with a Doc, Watcher, Tracker, and JOAT - you think scum only have 3? And just a couple of hours ago you were talking about mylo?

Just a hunch.

 

Plus Alanna looks good to me with how she has responded to this stuff. And Rags still SEEMED townie to me. Those two were the only other ones who could be scum with those other three really.

 

Although Rags saying he wouldn't be surprised by a Sili/BFKey scum team when I don't recall him mentioning those players much, PLUS not voting Key, seems pretty iffy to me. If there are 4 mafia I guess he could be the 4th, or that Alanna is going bus heavy with this.

[dicetosser1]

sigh can we just lynch des now?

 

I gave balanced thoughts on both. he doesnt like that i chose to vote him. So of course he says im scum.

[monstrman]

I'm about to be at work but it looks like bfkey is the lynch here almost always so I don't really know if I'll be needed

 

I'll check in about 4 hours from now and see what the scoop is

[hazelkrs1]

BFG/KEY i voted early on because a BFG post struck me as scummy. The logic key threw out after their claim re their actions made sense to me and in fact in regards to tommy I would have done the same as a JK. My big hesitation is that they are not dead. we suspect theres a scum RB and pral claims to be a town one but he said he hasnt rbd bfg/key. now if theres a scum rb blocking them constantly makes sense. so does not killing them i guess considering the WIFOM caused and the possibility of a mislynch.

 

 

des has claimed doc. not sure i believe it. it came out of nowhere. i have been expecting a claim from him if id got anywhere near lynching him. Has already lied and claimed vig, tho i thought that lie transparent at the time. I have been wondering about the lack of a doc or cop in this game. He made an argument that bfg/key is much less likely to have blocked the kill then him but his reasoning for this is based on the fact that they are not dead yet. He ahs also been inconsistent very recently refuting bfg saying he has been town reading yates/leelou all game but got busted when BFG quoted him saying he thought they were lying

 

right now i dont know what to vote. If it was gun to head, id probably go Des

Lulza.

 

 

Also Dice I very clearly said that they are VERY likely to not have stuffed the NK here NOT JUST because they aren't dead, but also because they weren't blocked last night. Lates is claiming to be blocked today, and that looks legit. Manbat was blocked N1 apparently. I think Arsis was blocked N2 mebbe? Anyhoo.

 

So we can be pretty sure scum have a RB. Yet they choose to not only NOT kill the only protective role that had been claimed, but don't Block them either?

 

Does. Not. Add. Up.

[hazelkrs1]

i read hallia and rags and got this horrible feeling that we are about to get screwed. I suggest town gets off BFG

 

 

##vote Des

Lawlz @ Dice's desperation play

 

SCUM SCRAMBLING ITT

 

[hazelkrs1]

sigh can we just lynch des now?

 

I gave balanced thoughts on both. he doesnt like that i chose to vote him. So of course he says im scum.

They weren't balanced in the slightest

[TheRagnarok]

 

 

I solved the game at least- thinking it's BFKey, Serf, and Dice. Don't think they have a fourth scumbro now thy, just judging from how they've played today.

So with a Doc, Watcher, Tracker, and JOAT - you think scum only have 3? And just a couple of hours ago you were talking about mylo?

Just a hunch.

 

Plus Alanna looks good to me with how she has responded to this stuff. And Rags still SEEMED townie to me. Those two were the only other ones who could be scum with those other three really.

 

Although Rags saying he wouldn't be surprised by a Sili/BFKey scum team when I don't recall him mentioning those players much, PLUS not voting Key, seems pretty iffy to me. If there are 4 mafia I guess he could be the 4th, or that Alanna is going bus heavy with this.

 

You mean aside from the ISOs I did on BFG and Key?

 

And Sili has been extremely different since he came back.  Hiding behind the 'I'm changing my style' due to his mislynch isn't a bad scum move.

 

And what's the rush on the lynch?  We have time.

[Yates]

I'm about to be at work but it looks like bfkey is the lynch here almost always so I don't really know if I'll be needed

 

I'll check in about 4 hours from now and see what the scoop is

You think Des is being legit?

[Yates]

Let me show you why I think Des is lying;

 

 

 

Lates-Tracker: Pretty sure they're lying here. Or at the very least, are lying about being town. I think they might be scum Tracker

Des - Can you link me to the last game you were in with a Scum Tracker? Pral can't seem to find one. Thanks.

 

Wifom and weak ass defense. Just because they're uncommon doesn't mean they don't exist

 

You're digging that hole deeper Yates

 

Do you remember this exchange, Des? This was on the heels of the night you supposedly protected us - the night of the no kill. We had a conversation back and forth about this where you kept saying we were scum and my defense was weak. It was a soft push that never gained the traction scum would need for a Lates mislynch.

[Yates]

Screw it.

 

[v]##Des[/v]

 

This is the right vote. If I'm wrong? Blame it on me. I'll pass the buck and blame it on Des being too inconsistent.

 

Plus, EVERYONE is saying BFKey is a suspect and their wagon gained steam quickly. I see no one coming to BFKey's defense. That looks like someone with no teammates.

[BFG]

Back from dinner and DM is up...

 

Thought this was worth quoting again.

 

 

BFKey-JK: I'm flip flopping on this read. It's a bit associative, but I think some of the other claim stuff that has come out corroborates their claim, and like with Hallia and Pray, I don't think scum!Lates came out and backed up a scummate's claim like that. I also think now it is likely they stuffed a NK, whereas before I thought a town RBer might have stuffed the NK or a Doc, but with all these other claims I kinda doubt a Doc exists in this game Tbh, but at the time BFKey wouldn't have guessed that if they were scum.

 

Tbh, BFKey would prob go above Pray here, but yeah leaving them in this order cause #LazyDespot. As far as the claims I don't trust/believe:

The post where Des thinks Arsis and Lates were lying about their roles.

 

Fwiw

 

Really late now

 

There was absolutely no need to state that he thinks there isn't a doc, could have just accepted us via claimed Night Actions at the time.

[BFG]

I ISO'd Pral this morning but didn't have time to add anything to the thread at the time. This hasn't been updated since Des's claim but this is where I was this morning.

 

 

 

Apologies if As are Qs, I typed this up during lunch on an arabic keyboard and some letters are switched around (this is from memory from an ISO this morning that I didn't have time to type out).

 

At the moment I'm leaning: Pral, Hallia (by extension), Des?? plus ???? but this is before an ISO on Lates.

 

One of Pral or Lates has to be mafia as we weren't speed lynched. Given AJ has a chance to convert from SK to Town, there's no chance that mafia is less than 4 people, so the only reason I'm not lynched is because one of Lates/Pral is mafia.

 

 

First he links Dice and Berf from the Day 1 wagons. I can follow part way, but only part way.

 

Dice voted Sili to even up the wagons with Berf at 6

 

Pral argues that if Dice and Berf are both mafia then it's a fairly transparant way of putting momentum on the Sili train and I agree.

 

He then argues that if Dice were mafia and Berf town then he'd vote Berf as the easier train. and concludes that therefore they share an alignment. However this ignores the possibility that Dice is town and Berf is actually mafia.

 

He then builds his teams from the trains accordingly, apparantly not considering that if Berf were Town then mafia aren't going to need to be around, and may be absent from the EOD voting, and instead builds his teams (mostly) from the people who are there. (This is the opposite approach to Tommy)

 

He then says that if Berf is mafia, then so is Dice and 2 of Arsis/BFG/Rags (based on the fact that we were the last 3 to vote Thane and did so just before deadline) - despite the fact that I stayed on the Berf train as long as possible and if I was mafia with Berf would likely have switched to the growing Sili or Thane trains much earlier than voting Thane 15 minutes before deadline (and I think the same with Arsis, in this situation it makes no sense for both Arsis and I to stay on Berfs train as long as we did, since staying meant that Tommy shifted his attention back to Berf as Sili became more townie again).

 

 

I also don't like that he drew his teams from the people around at EOD when if Berf was town, mafia are more likely to stay away. Taken together his train analysis comes across as half-hearted and badly thought through, not things I associate with Town Pral.

 

 

 

I've already stated my opinion on his 'Key is nudging' post, and there isn't much else to say there.

 

 

I've also already stated my opinion of people voting us without ANY explanation of Night 1 and 2 if we're not Town. This looks worse for me from 'logical' players like Pral than 'emotive' players like Des.

 

 

 

His opinion on us also shifts about without explanation other than 'thread events' and I can't help but feel he's voting us today as the 'easiest' mislynch (despite having 2 people he's more 'certain' on in his list). On Day 2 he's saying that we're mafia and doesn't put any stock in Key's reread posts, as 'anyone' can do them - although at this stage it's interesting to note than most people haven't (me as well, so sorry about that). Yet he DOESN'T block us N2 despite thinking we're mafia, on Day 3 he's nudging me towards Dice and Day 4 we're the 'certain' mafia again, despite claiming to have blocked Arsis over us. The more I think about that the bigger the problem I have with it.

 

Of note may be that Dice objected loudly on thread to being linked with Verb by Des but didn't bat an eyelid at being linked with Berf. I think that looks good for Dice with hindsight, given Verb flipped town, and possibly bad for Serf, given Prals attempt at linking them above.

 

 

Three things that give me pause on Pral: are that Hallia viewed him town, that out of his argument with Lates that Pral came out looking better, although the fact that Pral has seemingly forgotten about this argument in favor of agreeing that either Hallia or BFG 'must' be mafia (lol) looks bad. Also some of his points about other players around Day 1/2 matched things that Key was thinking at the time.

 

 

Of note is that claims wise Key is sceptical of both Hallia's JOAT claim and Pral's x-shot blocker claim.

 

 

 

I'm also well aware with how hypocritical I'm being with regards comments like 'half-hearted' etc. But I think it's EXTREMELY important to note that without our claim, Key and I would have been lynched Day 2, whereas Pral hasn't come anywhere close.

 

 

 

Des - I cannot point to a post and say 'look this makes me town' because my thread presence has been awful. I CAN point to the Night 1 actions and say, 'look this makes us extremely likely to be all but mechanically cleared' because it does, and I'm not going to stop saying that. The fact that you don't see this is making me tinfoil hard on you. And yes, there is 0% chance we flip mafia here.

 

However yesterday Des was thinking logically about the claims and today he isn't, just slipped his vote on us in an effort to motivate our train. I honestly can't decide at the moment if this is town Des or mafia Des. But that's not important today. Nor do I like his not so subtle nudging that I should be going hard at Lates.

 

 

 

 

 

I would love to say that I'll have a chance to do a full ISO on both Lates and Hallia today before deadline, but this is highly unlikely, especially given my current in and out again connection to DM, so I'm going to start from Day 2 with both of them, remembering that I had a town lean on them both at some stage during Day 1.

 

Incidentally Hallia also had 2 votes on her for a while, so at least one of Hallia/Dice/Serf is mafia, and now Manbat's voted as well, and we're reading him as town, then Either Hallia is mafia or both Dice and Serf are.

 

So there is mafia in Lates/Pral

 

mafia in Pral/Des (if we're still alive when I get back)

 

mafia in Hallia/Serf/Dice

 

(mafia in Hallia/Serf/Dice/Manbat - if she's still alive when I get back)

 

 

 

 

[BFG]

##Des

[hazelkrs1]

Let me show you why I think Des is lying;

 

 

 

 

Lates-Tracker: Pretty sure they're lying here. Or at the very least, are lying about being town. I think they might be scum Tracker

Des - Can you link me to the last game you were in with a Scum Tracker? Pral can't seem to find one. Thanks.

Wifom and weak ass defense. Just because they're uncommon doesn't mean they don't exist

 

You're digging that hole deeper Yates

Do you remember this exchange, Des? This was on the heels of the night you supposedly protected us - the night of the no kill. We had a conversation back and forth about this where you kept saying we were scum and my defense was weak. It was a soft push that never gained the traction scum would need for a Lates mislynch.

Nope, that was me trying to keep wifom alive so that you wouldn't be NKed. From what I remember we had a lot of early PR claims, I was trying to damage control.

[hazelkrs1]

Screw it.

 

[v]##Des[/v]

 

This is the right vote. If I'm wrong? Blame it on me. I'll pass the buck and blame it on Des being too inconsistent.

 

Plus, EVERYONE is saying BFKey is a suspect and their wagon gained steam quickly. I see no one coming to BFKey's defense. That looks like someone with no teammates.

SMH Yates. Really hope I don't end up getting lynched cause you're going to have a lot of players ticked off at you.

 

And btw this might sound like I'm being a dick, and maybe I am, but for a good player you lose the game for town a LOT @ endgame.

 

Smh.

[hazelkrs1]

Back from dinner and DM is up...

 

Thought this was worth quoting again.

 

 

 

BFKey-JK: I'm flip flopping on this read. It's a bit associative, but I think some of the other claim stuff that has come out corroborates their claim, and like with Hallia and Pray, I don't think scum!Lates came out and backed up a scummate's claim like that. I also think now it is likely they stuffed a NK, whereas before I thought a town RBer might have stuffed the NK or a Doc, but with all these other claims I kinda doubt a Doc exists in this game Tbh, but at the time BFKey wouldn't have guessed that if they were scum.

 

Tbh, BFKey would prob go above Pray here, but yeah leaving them in this order cause #LazyDespot. As far as the claims I don't trust/believe:

The post where Des thinks Arsis and Lates were lying about their roles.

 

Fwiw

 

Really late now

There was absolutely no need to state that he thinks there isn't a doc, could have just accepted us via claimed Night Actions at the time.

 

You have GOT to be kidding me with this crap. You seriously think people Will believe this too, don't you?

 

I said that to friggin save my own hide and keep my role hidden. Guarantee scum didn't see this coming, HIGHLY doubt they thought I had a PR, and especially not Doc at that

[BFG]

Lol

[hazelkrs1]

I can hear the tension from the dead thread where I stand

 

 

Glglglglgl village. I'm going to bed

[hazelkrs1]

Nice thing is I either get to be vindicated either way. Either y'all lynch BFKey and she flips scum and I get to be the hero, or y'all lynch me and game ends pretty much BUT dead thread at least gives me a pat on the back for giving it a good shot

 

[BFG]

Lol

[TheRagnarok]

I am getting very paranoid that Des is doing like cory did the last game. Putting a claim out the last day to get the votes to get a scum win.