[Advanced] Revenge of the Marlfox

[hazelkrs1]

Ask and ye shall receive, Rags:

 

 

 

Well that turned out well.

 

Your immediate reaction to the no-death phase change. More null than anything for you really, but you don't try to oversell a "Hell yeah, no deaths!" reaction

 

 

I kinda feel Berf is wolfy for suggesting he believed my Survivor claim but advocates lynching me after a few mislynches.

Sounds like a wolf plan to gain maj

Why?  Depending on how the game goes, I'd may advocate the same approach. 

 

Especially if things unfold in a way that cause me to no longer believe your claim.

 

 

This post is good because it is essentially an anti-opportunistic moment. Instead of following along with AJ's fos, or just letting it go, you outright challenge it. Good juju

 

##Vote Verb

 

My #1 scum lean.

 

Here you don't do the "play it safe" move scum will make sometimes and withhold a vote to see where momentum swings first or to see if an investigative PR comes out with a result that makes your vote look bad or something, you just put your vote where your mouth is, your #1 scumread. More good juju

 

Hey guys, wanna do me a favor?  ISO Verb real quick and find a single townie post. 

 

 

So I assume no one found a townie Verb post. 

 

Good juju to be found in following up on said scumread and vote

 

 

Why is a doc self-protecting Night 1 gross, unless there's an outed cop or something? At that point, you as the doc are the most valuable townie you know.

Why did you assume that? 

 

 

I like posts like these you've had since PC where you're looking for little slips, TMI things

 

 

Rags - it's like this:

Tommy claimed Beloved Princess

Arsis claimed Watcher
Arsis claimed he watched Tommy
Arsis claimed he saw no one visit Tommy [this I'd believe without a watcher result, fyi]

Des claimed Vig
Des claimed he shot at Tommy last night
Des wasn't seen shooting Tommy AND Tommy is alive so Des is claiming he was RBed by scum [because Town RB would have never blocked Des]

The interesting wrinkle here is that Tommy could not have been the doc protected scum target [as he claims to believe] and lived if Des ALSO shot at him as a doc protect would only prevent one shot.

I love you.

 

And I agree on no one visiting Tommy.  If I had a PR, I would have left him alone as I'd expect scum to not take the risk of him being protected or doctored N1 due to his claim.

 

 

Your instant reaction to my gambit. I like that you don't spend a lot of time hedging in this post about who could be lying, who scum. Looks more like you were first just trying to process the information

 

I think Verb, Key, and Sili are the 3 I could lynch today.

 

Looks like you weren't going to just let yourself tunnel onto the Tommy/Me/Arsis thing, you were still committed in pushing your scum reads. Very good juju

 

 

Rags - it's like this:

Tommy claimed Beloved Princess

Arsis claimed Watcher
Arsis claimed he watched Tommy
Arsis claimed he saw no one visit Tommy [this I'd believe without a watcher result, fyi]

Des claimed Vig
Des claimed he shot at Tommy last night
Des wasn't seen shooting Tommy AND Tommy is alive so Des is claiming he was RBed by scum [because Town RB would have never blocked Des]

The interesting wrinkle here is that Tommy could not have been the doc protected scum target [as he claims to believe] and lived if Des ALSO shot at him as a doc protect would only prevent one shot.

Hey guys, before we all wander off into different pushes today, I think we should keep this as a focal point for today.

 

Especially being as a doctor could fully protect someone.

 

The two most likely scenarios here seem to be that either Des is lying about shooting Tom last night or Arsis is lying about no one visiting Tommy.

 

Can anyone think of anyway for their claims to both be true? 

 

If not, we can likely assume that one of the two is lying and should focus on that. 

 

 

 

 

Happenstance and luck? Or there being no vig and despothera shot tom as wolfpack. Pick.

No.

 

Or Des is the SK. 

 

You should know better by now. 

 

 

 

Des could be telling the truth about having a kill but shot at someone else.  In which case he can't say who he really shot at because the doc could come out and nail him as scum.

 

I'll be honest- these three posts aren't great actually. But I don't think they're scummy per se, I'm chalking it up to your not sober mind. In each one there are kind of some logic gaps here on your part.

 

First you say either me or Arsis is lying, forgetting that a RB could have blocked me and made it so both of us could have been telling the truth. And I WAS saying I was blocked, as well. Then you throw out some spec on me being SK... and yeah that made very little sense. I would almost NEVER claim a killing role as a SK anyways, since that invites tinfoil later on, and I especially wouldn't do so with another third party claim already out in the open (also, you don't mention AJ's claim and how that affects my chances of being a SK). And the last thing- why act like I had a kill at all when I had the whole thread thinking I was blowing smoke with my Vig threats against Tommy?

 

Again, chalking it up to the whiskey.

 

 

So what did this accomplish?

 

What did you learn?

 

 

Your reaction after I reveal the gambit. A scummer might try scolding me for lying or even try fos'ing me, you move right past that and encourage me to share what I found. Very protown post here.

 

 

personally and frankly, tom's told me not to give in the towel, which is the only reason why i'm not self-voting and saying screw it. if town wants to be daft they can be daft and lose for it.

 

this is really silly. and should be really simple. but town is making it complicated, again.

 

just like when i said tom was scum, and everyone ignored me.

And how did he do this?

 

 

Again, you looking for little slips and stuff. I noticed the same thing immediately, however I initially assumed he put the "slip" in there on purpose to try and drag Tommy down with him

 

 

I mean most of the fun of being a wolf pack is communicating duplicitous treason with your wolf pack.

 

You know, it's funny but I'd sooner suspect you of being a scum, or that your tell was wrong, than think despothera was village.

And how would you know this?

 

 

Yet again, you pointing out stuff that looks off, and in a very protown way

 

 

All in all, apart from many of our reads already coinciding and the cut of your jib looking good before this, your posts since PC have looked extremely townie.

 

Alanna's have not. She immediately jumped to what I knew scum would likely be considering- a town RB'er. She stayed focused on this even whilst talking about how unlikely that was. She discounted the possibility of Tommy being scum or scum RBing me when listing all the possibilities.

[hazelkrs1]

 

looks like we lynch inside the despot/tommy/arsis claims then

 

one of them is lying so yay that

This is where I'm at as of this post.

 

 

Hehe you're gonna be mad at me Yates

 

[hazelkrs1]

Don't be too mad tho. When you asked if I was BS'ing, it's not like I could reply with a winkyface or something. The gambit had to look real to draw out the necessary reactions.

 

And crap I meant to say, and I still have the quotes pulled but prob don't have time to address them all now, but Yates easily had the towniest reactions to all the big events ITT.

 

He was tinfoiling about the no-deaths thing, yes, but this is actually a towntell for him. Like me, he will be completely open to considering off the wall theories and possibilities when trying to draw a conclusion. Point is, it was a somewhat confusing situation, and in that situation, the townie will be the one acting like a chicken with it's head cut off not knowing what to think, whereas the scum will often either try overselling this type of reaction, or will mysteriously know too much about what actually happened, will have too good instincts or something.

 

And when I said I legit shot Tommy, Yates immediately attempted to make sure I wasn't BS'ing, and the way in which he did so, and then said he "wanted" to believe me and couldn't see the scum motivation in me lying there, and yet later unvoted Tommy when it looked like there were other possibilities to consider still, all of that screamed townie

 

Lates is my strongest town read atm, no lie. He's one of the very few I don't feel I have to babysit ITT, he comes to conclusions on his own without needing to be prodded, keep looking at the game with a #solve mindset. Almost zero fluff throughout the game, always engaged. He's as LOCK CLEAR as it gets.

[Yates]

Oh, thought I made it fairly obvious I was the one who was lying lol, what with the "Hook, line, and sinker" clip

You sir are an a-hole.

 

What did your ploy accomplish other than to sow chaos in a game that didn't need it?

[TheRagnarok]

you aren't a fan of putting someone on ignore?

 

well deal. i've read enough of despothera to last a life time, and if i read anymore i'll go off the deep end.

Correct, I personally

 

Ask and ye shall receive, Rags:

 

 

 

Well that turned out well.

 

Your immediate reaction to the no-death phase change. More null than anything for you really, but you don't try to oversell a "Hell yeah, no deaths!" reaction

 

 

I kinda feel Berf is wolfy for suggesting he believed my Survivor claim but advocates lynching me after a few mislynches.

 

Sounds like a wolf plan to gain maj

Why?  Depending on how the game goes, I'd may advocate the same approach. 

 

Especially if things unfold in a way that cause me to no longer believe your claim.

 

 

This post is good because it is essentially an anti-opportunistic moment. Instead of following along with AJ's fos, or just letting it go, you outright challenge it. Good juju

 

##Vote Verb

 

My #1 scum lean.

 

Here you don't do the "play it safe" move scum will make sometimes and withhold a vote to see where momentum swings first or to see if an investigative PR comes out with a result that makes your vote look bad or something, you just put your vote where your mouth is, your #1 scumread. More good juju

 

Hey guys, wanna do me a favor?  ISO Verb real quick and find a single townie post. 

 

 

So I assume no one found a townie Verb post. 

 

Good juju to be found in following up on said scumread and vote

 

 

Why is a doc self-protecting Night 1 gross, unless there's an outed cop or something? At that point, you as the doc are the most valuable townie you know.

Why did you assume that? 

 

 

I like posts like these you've had since PC where you're looking for little slips, TMI things

 

 

Rags - it's like this:

 

Tommy claimed Beloved Princess

 

Arsis claimed Watcher

Arsis claimed he watched Tommy

Arsis claimed he saw no one visit Tommy [this I'd believe without a watcher result, fyi]

 

Des claimed Vig

Des claimed he shot at Tommy last night

Des wasn't seen shooting Tommy AND Tommy is alive so Des is claiming he was RBed by scum [because Town RB would have never blocked Des]

 

The interesting wrinkle here is that Tommy could not have been the doc protected scum target [as he claims to believe] and lived if Des ALSO shot at him as a doc protect would only prevent one shot.

I love you.

 

And I agree on no one visiting Tommy.  If I had a PR, I would have left him alone as I'd expect scum to not take the risk of him being protected or doctored N1 due to his claim.

 

 

Your instant reaction to my gambit. I like that you don't spend a lot of time hedging in this post about who could be lying, who scum. Looks more like you were first just trying to process the information

 

I think Verb, Key, and Sili are the 3 I could lynch today.

 

Looks like you weren't going to just let yourself tunnel onto the Tommy/Me/Arsis thing, you were still committed in pushing your scum reads. Very good juju

 

 

Rags - it's like this:

 

Tommy claimed Beloved Princess

 

Arsis claimed Watcher

Arsis claimed he watched Tommy

Arsis claimed he saw no one visit Tommy [this I'd believe without a watcher result, fyi]

 

Des claimed Vig

Des claimed he shot at Tommy last night

Des wasn't seen shooting Tommy AND Tommy is alive so Des is claiming he was RBed by scum [because Town RB would have never blocked Des]

 

The interesting wrinkle here is that Tommy could not have been the doc protected scum target [as he claims to believe] and lived if Des ALSO shot at him as a doc protect would only prevent one shot.

Hey guys, before we all wander off into different pushes today, I think we should keep this as a focal point for today.

 

Especially being as a doctor could fully protect someone.

 

The two most likely scenarios here seem to be that either Des is lying about shooting Tom last night or Arsis is lying about no one visiting Tommy.

 

Can anyone think of anyway for their claims to both be true? 

 

If not, we can likely assume that one of the two is lying and should focus on that. 

 

 

 

 

Happenstance and luck? Or there being no vig and despothera shot tom as wolfpack. Pick.

No.

 

Or Des is the SK. 

 

You should know better by now. 

 

 

 

Des could be telling the truth about having a kill but shot at someone else.  In which case he can't say who he really shot at because the doc could come out and nail him as scum.

 

I'll be honest- these three posts aren't great actually. But I don't think they're scummy per se, I'm chalking it up to your not sober mind. In each one there are kind of some logic gaps here on your part.

 

First you say either me or Arsis is lying, forgetting that a RB could have blocked me and made it so both of us could have been telling the truth. And I WAS saying I was blocked, as well. Then you throw out some spec on me being SK... and yeah that made very little sense. I would almost NEVER claim a killing role as a SK anyways, since that invites tinfoil later on, and I especially wouldn't do so with another third party claim already out in the open (also, you don't mention AJ's claim and how that affects my chances of being a SK). And the last thing- why act like I had a kill at all when I had the whole thread thinking I was blowing smoke with my Vig threats against Tommy?

 

Again, chalking it up to the whiskey.

 

 

So what did this accomplish?

 

What did you learn?

 

 

Your reaction after I reveal the gambit. A scummer might try scolding me for lying or even try fos'ing me, you move right past that and encourage me to share what I found. Very protown post here.

 

 

personally and frankly, tom's told me not to give in the towel, which is the only reason why i'm not self-voting and saying screw it. if town wants to be daft they can be daft and lose for it.

 

this is really silly. and should be really simple. but town is making it complicated, again.

 

just like when i said tom was scum, and everyone ignored me.

And how did he do this?

 

 

Again, you looking for little slips and stuff. I noticed the same thing immediately, however I initially assumed he put the "slip" in there on purpose to try and drag Tommy down with him

 

 

I mean most of the fun of being a wolf pack is communicating duplicitous treason with your wolf pack.

 

You know, it's funny but I'd sooner suspect you of being a scum, or that your tell was wrong, than think despothera was village.

And how would you know this?

 

 

Yet again, you pointing out stuff that looks off, and in a very protown way

 

 

All in all, apart from many of our reads already coinciding and the cut of your jib looking good before this, your posts since PC have looked extremely townie.

 

Alanna's have not. She immediately jumped to what I knew scum would likely be considering- a town RB'er. She stayed focused on this even whilst talking about how unlikely that was. She discounted the possibility of Tommy being scum or scum RBing me when listing all the possibilities.

Thank you.

 

I now understand much better where you are coming from in terms of your push on Alanna.

 

I'll need to ISO her and reevaluate my thoughts.

 

As for the posts that didn't look great, rum may have played a role in me not hitting on every possibility. 

[TheRagnarok]

Lol, forgot to finish my comment to Sili.

 

"Correct, I personally find it somewhat childish."

[Yates]

Despot agreeing with my alanna read I see

I might be coming around on an Alanna scum read. The forced assumption of Town RB in the face of logic to the contrary made no sense to me. Alanna has never made no sense to me before.

[Yates]

Further the despot i knew, while he was a little thick-headed, he wasn't dense. This guy just said he shot a potential beloved princess without a cop confirmation tom was mafia.

How many games did you play with Despot Town? One?

[Yates]

How does shooting a beloved princess and doing the work for the scum, a smart idea in any world?

You understand that it isn't a huge deal to kill a Beloved Princess in a mafia forum that has villager night chat, right? So if Tommy were to be lynched/killed and flip Princess, think about how the mechanic would work.

 

Oh no. Tommy was Town after all.

Let's talk about what this means for reads during the night.

Night actions due.

Night actions resolve.

There is no day.

LET'S DISCUSS THE FLIPS AND RESULTS OF NIGHT ACTIONS - JUST LIKE IN ANY NORMAL MAFIA ENVIRONMENT - EXCEPT DAY IS 48 HOURS.

Night actions due.

Night actions resolve.

Let's discuss the flips and results of night actions - but during the day with more time.

 

Really, all that would do is make one "day phase" shorter. Not exactly a tragedy. I'd be way more upset about losing a doc or cop or something.

[TheRagnarok]

 

I was at a pumpkin carving party. Glad I was. I'm going to be firmly focused on this ridiculous Thane wagon. Which of course means Verb is probably scum. Berf's vote was also gross. Rags simply has terrible instincts and I think was sort of coerced into hammering.

 

This is my pumpkin. Seems appropriate now.

 

Its true that I was on board for a Thane lynch.  I don't think being up front in that regard and especially being the one who prodded him first (first few pages of the game) would be a good spot for scum to be in.  If he was lynchbait, then I look especially bad for it.  Doesn't sound like a smart spot to put yourself in if you knew his alignment (if I was scum), right?

 

The ones that look super bad after lynchbait town flips are probably town.  The ones that nudged or controlled the flow towards that lynchbait.....those are the ones that require more scrutiny.  I really want Tom's slot resolved - I can't make up my mind on him.

 

I found another Verb comment that really stands out. 

[Yates]

*Le sigh*

 

personally and frankly, tom's told me not to give in the towel, which is the only reason why i'm not self-voting and saying screw it.

Would you agree that I have been patient with you and treated you with respect? I hope so because I feel that I have. It's with this mutual understanding that you need know that what I'm saying is absolute truth. The next time you cry about wanting to quit? Do it. Just quit the game. Take a break. I'm not interested in hearing about it anymore. Otherwise, I'm just going to assume you are scum appealing to emotion. You have become the boy who cried wolf - and now I'm going to assume that's a literal statement.

 

And that goes for everyone. If you aren't emotionally mature enough to have disagreements in a forum mafia game about deception and deceit, then maybe this is the wrong game for you. I'm sure there's a Candyland or tic-tac-toe board somewhere. I don't want to hear about you threatening to quit. Just freaking DO IT.

[Yates]

if verb is scum, then lates becomes suspect.

WHAT?! WHY WOULD YOU THINK THIS?! JUST BECAUSE WE WOULD WANT MORE THAN JUST DAY ONE TO DETERMINE ALIGNMENT?! IF YOU DON'T STOP CALLING US SCUM WE ARE GOING TO QUIT!!!!!

 

 

That's how these posts come across. It's just childish. Or potentially scummy.

 

[Yates]

for the record my votes on key because i want to see what happens when a wagon starts on one of my posited wolves. what if they flank to bfg or someone else? it'll be interesting and informative.

 

that was the idea anyawy.

BFG and Key ARE THE SAME SLOT.

[hazelkrs1]

Key iso:

 

 

 

Tommy, why a(n incorrectly formatted) vote on Yates if you think Verb's post where he pulled your quotes is the wolfiest thing so far?

 

Looked like a weird/opportunistic thing to comment on, not a real town!Key trying to look for something significant

 

 

Ok, then what's making you think scum?

 

 

(This was irt Sili casting aspersion at Tom early on)

 

Could have been an attempt to set up a teammate

 

K.

Verb doesn't look scummy to me either. I think his attacking the thread looks good.

Not sure I'm seeing what you are in regards to Yates. He seems to be playing similar to Woodstock and Dr. who, imo, but I'd like to look at Discworld again when I get on a computer to see how he started that game.

 

 

Both Alanna and Key defending Verb early on is kinda interesting. He could def be the fourth scumbro with them and Sili

 

 

 

You mean my one question? 

 

Yeah, man, so overdone. 

 

 

Crazy wolfy response here (in response to Tommy saying her skepticism of him seemed weird early on)

 

 

I've seen Cory as emo town, someone who has played with him more, does he do this as scum as well? 

 

 

This was addressed before, but yeah really wolfy leading question and attempt to gauge thread on how they might feel bout a Cory push

 

 

I'm not a wolf and I'm angry about it
 
or emo or something idk

Angry about not rolling scum, or angry about des saying you are emo when you are not?

 

 

In hindsight, looks opportunistic, like she was trying to make Manbat look or get more rustled

 

 

And here's the difference for you, Key:

When cory is town and is being snarky or seems emotional, the underlying mood is sardonic arrogance. He's kind of a dick because he knows he's right. He's more patronizing and will look down on people who he thinks are being stupid. That was showing through a little bit here today and made it easy for me to give him an early green read.

When cory is scum and is being snarky or seems emotional, the underlying mood is forged bravado. It's a fake arrogance because he knows you're right but wants you to feel bad about it so you give up. Here him being patronizing isn't with the intent to teach, it's to harm.

If you look for the underlying subconscious mannerisms between "strict headmaster (town)" and "television bully personality (scum)", you'll pick up on what I'm talking about.

Town Cory is like a pissed off Bill Nye, scum Cory is like a pissed off Glenn Beck.

I appreciate the clarification and I can see some of the arrogance that you are talking about. My biggest issue, with his response, though, is that Cory knows me. He and I have had many many discussions in DTs about playstyle here at DM vs. how he plays and also about how I play. He knows my personality and has on several occasions called me a “top tier human being.” So, it was a bit jarring/suspicious for me to see him calling me out for something on thread that he KNOWS I would not do intentionally.

But his statement regarding lessening his posts so players like Lee, Pral, and BFG can have more of an input reads hella townie to me. It’s obviously not something that he has to do, nor need mention. Couple that with the way Hallia has been playing and they are heavily in my town grouping.

 

 

Bold is gross but enlargened is just bleurgh. So Key had a town read on Cory yet decided to ask if being emo was a scumtell for him, knowing that that would likely prickle him and would only invite people to start scumreading him if they agreed that he was being emo?

 

Makes no sense

 

@Tommy – I’m not mad. Y U copy AJ’s thoughts?

@Lee – you won’t be seeing just a ton of BFG for D1, I’m afraid. She’s uberbusy at work. I’ve asked her on our QT about sharing her thoughts though, since she can open the QT at work, but generally not DM due to cloudflare. I’ll post her insights if she’s okay with it.

Thoughts atm:
Manbat looks very townie after reading through his posts here and his beginning posts in Cory’s and my game. His comfort level seems better, and I remember him saying how much he hated being scum in the QT during mine and Cory’s game. I also liked his response to me regarding his reaction o des’s question. Might seem silly, but I wanted to see how he answered regarding rolling scum or not since I remembered about his complaints on the QT.

I don’t know that I will ever feel comfortable putting Tommy firmly in a town pile, unless maybe a cop view with an already dead GF or sane cop flip, as someone else before me said, but as Cory and Manbat are both reading him as town, and my partner says she can read him given time, I’m willing to give it a bit of time.

Dice looks very townie, for putting his reads ITT and having some of them be against the grain, but for logical reasons. He doesn’t do this as well as scum, imo.

Alanna’s catch up post looks okay.

Not a fan of Berf’s catch up post. He comments on a post of Thane’s that has already been discussed, but doesn’t discuss the implications of TMI, which seems odd. Says Cory’s post regarding laying low pinged. Seems an odd thing to say as ScumCory, as it would surely draw attention. Also, if he’d caught up, he should have seen Cory’s post about posting less to encourage more from quieter players. Says Hally’s hydra with Cory makes him wonderful, but then he doesn’t like Yates’s friendly cheering of Hally. His scum reads are, imo, the easy people in the thread to call scum. He plus ones a few of Arsis’s posts, but doesn’t mention him at all in his assessment at the bottom.

I agree with Tommy that a lot of Arsis’s pop-ins seem to be encouraging a fight without adding much of his own to it. “Don’t forget he also did this,” kind of add-ins. Being an instigator, though, I’m not sure that’s a tell for Arsis.

 

Bold: Uck. Especially considering she stays married to a scumlean on Tommy for a long time after this. Guess she wasn't willing to give it a bit of time after all!

 

Italics: Can't help but not give out a little blurb about Alanna's post

 

Underlined: Eww at the hedging/flip flopping. So Arsis's pop'ins seem kinda noteworthy, yet they're not cause he's Arsis? Gross.

 

Also paragraph @ Berf could have easily been going after LHF

 

 

Arsis, could you please provide examples, like Hally was asking for? I don't see where she's nervous.

 

 

Looks like WKing or buddying to me

 

I still don't like Berf's one catch up post.  I don't care that there's only been one, I found plenty scummy about it.  I don't like his follow up either, that he will be back later with more, easily made scum excuse to stay under radar.

 

Probably obvious, but I don't believe Tommy's claim - it doesn't make sense to me to play Beloved Princess like that - and I don't like the way he's playing.  It looks different from the town games that I have played/seen him in and as I'm townreading Yates and Des, I feel even more inclined to believe Tommy is scummy as they are reading him this way too.

 

Arsis does NOT look like he's inside his wolf play to me, or to BFG.  I haven't seen the same bravado that I recognize from his scum game; it reads way more like his town game to me; especially the beginning of Avengers. 

 

This was from Key's first long notes post. This is prob one of the most significant things for me, and something that made me seriously start considering her as a scum suspect, since she fell for my Tommy trap.

 

I have a meeting, then back to back classes so I'm out for a while.  I'll try to be back late afternoon. 

 

Didn't quote some of the other examples of this, but Key does the same thing as Alanna where she self-consciously tries to keep thread updated on when she'll be back

 

 

But maybe I should go key since she pinged me the most out of anyone and meets the criteria of "trying to stay alive like scum would"?

 

Except you thought I was scum in Woodstock too, and you were wrong. Believe it or not, you can be wrong.

I'm here, I'm continuing my catch up, but I'll check back real time too.


I'm going to level with you. I will admit that I could be biased on Tommy being scum this game. On the chance I am wrong, I want to move past this. I am not a good lynch for today, so since my catch-up so far hasn't made any of you feel better, what can I do to allay your concerns? Tommy? Leelou? Pral?

 

 

Underlined is terribad - "You were wrong about me before! That means you can be wrong about me here too!", italics is that self-conscious thing, and bold is

 

Why would Key say that? That she is "not a good lynch for today"? If Key is town then... when would she ever be a good lynch? I call bullshanks on that little blurb

 

Top three lynches:

Berf, Tommy, for reasons already said. Distant third, would be Rags. I found his catch up less than desired and voting AJ seems an easy out to me, since AJ has claimed third party.

If you want me to disinclude Tommy, I would hesitantly put Alanna in because so far I haven't seen anything of hers that couldn't come from scum and in my experience she plays reasonable scum well.

I would NOT lynch Des, Yates/Leelou, or Monstr.

 

 

Besides her top three being pretty bad (likely three townies), the bold stands out like crazy to me, especially considering after Alanna's iso earlier. It's like they couldn't help but think they both had to distance from one another around the same time.

 

:hopper:

 

 

Key, would you lynch Verb?

I would prefer not, as I have Verb as null. I read his iso and haven't seen anything in his posts that look super scummy to me. I am also admittedly working off Leelou not going after him right now because she can read him infinitely better than me.

 

 

Funny that she says she has Verb as null, even tho she was saying town a good bit earlier and was defending him as well

 

Also don't like how she ditches responsibility for the read and says she's sponging Leelou

 

 

 

I don't know what to do with you.

Having me as a top 2 scum suspect right now feels extremely fake.

 

Explain how it's fake? I noted earlier how suspicious I am of you and even now said I admit I could be biased.

 

 

 

 

I feel like I'm a terrible lynch for a bunch of reasons but it also feels like your reads haven't evolved much. I'm not gonna push to lynch guy today but I wish we saw more eye to eye so I fifty feel these heebies.

 

Bold is fair - I can see how it could come across that way. You can have evolvement and still keep the same reads, imo. They don't always change, but sometimes grow stronger in how/why you feel that way.

As I said previously, though, I admit that I could be biased thinking you are scum, so obviously that is going to color how I look at you. I've asked BFG to temper me on this.

What is "fifty feel"?

 

 

H8 H8 H8 how much Key starts distancing from her scumread on Tommy here. Keeps saying she might be biased, blah blah blah ditch responsibility for your reads moar Key

 

FWIW, BFG and I have slid Sili down on our list too.

 

 

Lol, looks like right around the same time scum team started deciding to bus/distance from Sili. Lawlz

 

On mobile, so I don't have colors, sorry.

Monstr - Blue
Des - Dark green
Yates/Leelou - Dark Green

Arsis - Green
Cory/hallia - Green
dice - green

Alanna - light green/yellow
Thane - light green/yellow

Verb - yellow (null)
Sili - yellow (null)

Rags - yellow/slight orange **moved up from orange since I was mistaken about his AJ vote**
Pral - yellow/slight orange

Tommy - orange
Berf - orange

AJ - Purple (3rd party)

I've asked BFG to supply one as well, though I'm not sure if she'll check in before DL.

 

Decided to be a pal and color code Key's list for her

 

 

But yeah, turrible reads list. Alanna is light green yellow, even tho very recently she said if she had to disinclude Tommy from her top three scum reads she'd put Alanna there? Yeah no. Rags is still slight orange even tho the ONE thing you mentioned about him was proven to be false? Nope. AJ as purple is a total copout- keeps her from having to take a hard stance on his claim/alignment.

 

And then, no justification given for any of the reads, no talk about how Tommy is still one of her top scum reads even tho she continuously talks about how she might be biased there, as far as I can remember she basically never talked about Pray yet he's slight orange, and no red's? Only one blue?

 

Not buying it.

 

 

Get a strong feeling Key will just start posting tomorrow without ever having finished her catchup or w/e, and hope no one calls her out on it.

Html what else... Let's see Manbat said I fos'd him for his fuzzy math but that is completely inaccurate. His math WAS fuzzy, he said the benchmark for town rand % was like 60% or something even tho in almost any standard game it's 75%. That wasn't me fosing him, that was me Jackie channing at his fuzzy Dubya math. Didn't see BFG say the same thing /shrug

Des, I have been green reading you because you don't seem to have the same over the top attitude that you normally does as scum, but in what world is this a good post for a townie to make? This gives no indication how you feel about my alignment, no comments on my actual reads. If you think I am town, why would you want to discourage someone posting their reads by doubting them from the getgo? And if you think I'm scum where is the sense in saying this ahead of time and giving me the chance to prove you wrong? Would be better served waiting to see if that's what I did and then using that against me.   I'm going to be looking at your level of #werk during my reread, because I can remember you scolding me in several games where I was scum, for not putting in enough effort.

 

 

Overreaction much?

 

Verb still looks town to me, if not posting overly much.  I want to check back on how he reacted at EOD with the Thane CFD since he had mentioned fairly early on about being suspicious of Thane.

 

Sili looks town through here (not until later does he start looking less so, imo).  Especially his tying Thane to looking scummy IF Tommy flips scum.  With Thane’s flip, this seems unnecessary/unlikely tie if he were scum.  Also rebringing up Krak’s post regarding gifts in 48 hours.  I don’t think scum would want to point out on thread that they didn’t get one for fear of singling themselves out.

 

Cory and Tommy bringing up BFG being absent because she doesn’t like to be scum is irritating because she mentioned her being gone in the signups, in game, and I had also mentioned it.  Mildly scummy, because could be pushing an agenda.   Also don’t like Hally’s response to Sili bringing up the packages since she’s piggybacking on his statement about not getting one. 

 

I hope to have more time after the baby is in bed this evening.  Have to drop this for now because he’s waking up from his nap.  Will be in and out on mobile. 

 

Bold: Verb still looks town to her, even tho she very recently listed him as null, even tho she WAS "townreading" him earlier in the game. Shows a disconnect between how she is trying to handle her "reads" on people. Also has the "I want to check back on _____ " filler line from scum

 

Italics: Bleurgh. Turrible reasoning for making Sili seem town here. Tying Tommy to Thane and saying Thane would look suspect with a scum!flip on Tommy is ridiculous considering Tommy started the CFD on Thane. And then townie points for bringing up the 48 hours gifts? Puhlease.

 

Underlined: More self-conscious updating.

 

 

TLDR: Again, just read it. I'm putting in far too much #work when I should be sleeping for football later, the least you can do is read this stuff

 

Something I WILL say is that Key had a lot more posts in the early part of the game, when scum can often post easier without feeling like they're giving anything away (RVS stage and whatnot) and her posting has dropped off tremendously since then. Just worth pointing out.

[hazelkrs1]

 

Oh, thought I made it fairly obvious I was the one who was lying lol, what with the "Hook, line, and sinker" clip

You sir are an a-hole.

 

What did your ploy accomplish other than to sow chaos in a game that didn't need it?

 

 

Actually I feel my gambit accomplished a whole heck of a lot, tyvm

[hazelkrs1]

 

This is where I am now. Especially looking at the wagonomics last day. More details she D2 starts but for now these are my reads.

Town:

Arsis
Tommy
Dice
Berf

Null/?:
Des
Rags
Manbat
AJ

Slightly scummy:
Verbal
Lates
Cory/Halley

Scum:
Key
Alanna
Sili

 

 

Wanted to repost Pray's reads since I saw them while grabbing Key's posts-

 

As I mentioned I REALLY liked his scum reads. I think they're crazy spot on.

 

Now, Pray DID bus a lot recently as scum. But would he list his entire scum team as his top suspects? I find that highly unlikely.

 

I will not support a Pray lynch today.

[hazelkrs1]

Okay I really need to hit the hay now- lastly I wanted to do a POE, but I'd really rather read EOD1 since I still haven't and I think that will help me flesh out the rest of my reads a lot more.

 

Tentatively tho I will say Verb has had some really bad tone in some of his posts this game, and I found his early push on Thane to be opportunistic, and the way he defended his read throughout and even after Thane's flip looked pretty bad to me

 

So Verb could be the 4th in my solve, but eh not completely sold yet. Tbh I'm not sure who else could be the last one besides him, but eh maybe it's just that I don't think it would be that easy, to have a full solve that makes that much sense by D2. But then again, I AM Despothera

 

[hazelkrs1]

DesGOAThera signing off

 

[Yates]

Re:alanna saying Sili could be town:

 

You could take that from the perspective that she immediately believed your claim that you were roleblocked and immediately tinfoiled that Sili was the town rber as well

This is a good thought.

[Yates]

Actually I feel my gambit accomplished a whole heck of a lot, tyvm

Yeah yeah. I just got there.  

[Yates]

Alright.  Caught up.  Need to see more reactions and talk to my Leelou.

[Tommyrod]

We are not lynching Sili today, people. Sheesh.

[Tommyrod]

Alright. Caught up. Need to see more reactions and talk to my Leelou.

It's start to disturb me that she's rarely actually here.

[Tommyrod]

Alanna is someone I could be convinced to look at. I thought her WIM dropping when I was yelling at people in the thread was odd.

 

But I wanna go back to Cory. Why has that slot gone unmentioned for days now?

 

[v]##Corlia[/v]

[Tommyrod]

Hallia what do you think you're doing voting for a very vocal townie when suspicion shifts his way?

 

We don't lynch townies.

 

Why is that the only post I remember from you in ~3 days?

 

Why did you effectively drop off this game once Cory left?