[BASIC] Discworld Mafia - MAFIA win

[michellem]

People need to start putting their votes where their mouth is.

 

 

Also Hallia, you dodging my case = your scum meta. Just FYI.

[Krakalakachkn]

First we need people to be active on weekends when deadline is Monday.

 

 

 

But yeah, I'm hoping people return early enough tomorrow so that everyone doesn't just pile on at EoD.

[Hallia]

I didn't see that you'd had something you wanted me to respond to.  Still not scum though 

[Hallia]

And also, since we've played last my playstyle has changed, quite a lot.   

[Krakalakachkn]

@Hally - This is why ISO isn't always super reliable. You did have another post about LouNy.

 

What exactly is the case on LouNy? I have a vague uneasy feeling on them, but I can't see anything to back it up, so I don't get why they're getting voted.

I don't see it either Mish.

 

For the record - I've played with town Mish and I've played with scum Mish. This in pretty positive is town Mish. I miss playing with you <3

I still don;t see anything where you claim they are difficult for you to read.

 

 

 

 

 

From my looking, it was the first.  I'll go look again?  But I'm pretty sure.

Do you remember me posting the grasping at straws gif? That was to them. They never responded and I got side tracked on a different conversation.

 

and I'll go look Yates

 

 

Did you ever find this Hallia?

[Krakalakachkn]

Also, why are you voting Yates?

[Hallia]

Here we go

 

 

I would like to hear some thoughts on this post.

 

Yeah, this I thought was to you, I, as said, missed the SHE part.  It didn't seem important to me so I passed it on by.

 

and yet that vote is still there Leelou. That seems to imply a serious vote.

 

That's because my joke vote has turned serious. I told Barm that yesterday. Don't know why that is so hard to understand. Only other person I'd hands down vote right now is Nolder. And tbh, it really wouldn't matter who he was voting. He could have voted anyone after anyone in his first post if he posted like the way he did, I'd still be suspecting him like I am now. The only thing that I'm not liking about Hallia was how she threw in that she was voting Nolder for the Wednesday thing. Made it look a bit more opportunistic. 

 

 

I've stated my thoughts. I see no reason for the wagon on them. If I had to take a stance I'd say they're frustrated town.

I clearly can't read them, as I had them as town. XD

 

 

Nyn: please don't think I'm railroading you

 

I voted you because your real-time presence throughout the game has been low which is something I consider a ~decently strong wolftell for you

 

You're also deflecting in response rather than becoming abrasive and defensive, something else I have as a wolftell

 

You haven't done all that much that makes me think you are a villager

 

Share some of your hydra thoughts in here where we should be seeing them. Let me actually see your frustration if you are hiding it.

 

You can't blame me for ~misreading you if your take on the game is being hidden in a QT where I can't see it and it's wholly possible you could be frustrated in your QT and still be Mafia.

 

 

FTR I would rather see a list from each hydra than one list from both hydra.  It allows town an insight into the hydramind as it informs gameplay and POV

 

 

As you wish. 

 

Town leans
Tina - inquisitive, seems like she is on her town game.
Verbal - his posting style and what he's questioning has me leaning town on him.
Wolfish - Mish has her claws out and Kronos hasn't gone and completely turtled.

Null leans
Barm - Been debating null/town with Barm, but I'd like to see more from him before finding him a spot by the fire.
Cory - started out differently than I'm used to, almost tipping the scales in town.
Dice - moving more towards town with his play, but he doesn't get a free pass for mentioning 9-1.
Yates - need to see more from Yates. Need some stances. 

Scum leans
Nolder - started off with a weird vote, meh reasoning to explain it, followed up by some tunneling. 
Hallia - not being spunky townie Hallia. 
Krak - my post earlier covers my stance on Krak.

 

 

 

 

My leans, before Lee and I did the combined list.

 

 

Town Leans

Tina - Proactive, analytical, motivated. Most of her posts make sense to me. I'm not seeing the scummy laid back passive Tina here. So I'm getting a generally good feeling from her.

Wolfish - I like Kronos' posts and I think the way he carries himself says it all. He doesn't have much of a wolf range. Mish is being fierce and standing her ground. Both of them are giving me a townie vibe.

Cory - I raised my eyebrow a bit at the quiet Cory when the game started, but after observing he slid right into what I consider his townie play. Not ready to lockclear him yet, but he can be green for now.

 

 

Null Leans

Dice - Kinda unsure. He's usually a very scummy townie or a very scummy scummy. Right now he's kinda null to me.

Yates - Kinda bothered me when he went a couple of times all 'I can't believe you're reading me as null' both at us and someone else. And there was the little tif between him and Cory which I'm attributing to lingering issues from a different game. I kinda got a v/v feel from the exchange. But I need to see more before I'm comfortable enough to bump him to my town leans.

Barm - Never played with him before. He seems semi involved with the game but he hasn't really said anything to note, for better or worse. Would like to see more.

Verbal - I just can't tell lol But he hasn't done anything pingy that I've seen so there's that. 

 

Scum leans

Nolder - For reasons stated in quite a few of my previous posts. He's not making sense to me at all.

Krak - I don't think I've ever seen Krak play this way. While I appreciate him posting more, I'm not a fan of the nature of his posts. There's a lot of directing other people and asking questions, while not sharing his thoughts. And generally trying to push weak FoSes.

Hallia - Mostly gutread. I get that she has RL issues, but even when she caught up it felt kinda without. I'm also not a fan of her bringing up the Wednsday joke as she was casting a vote on Nol. Kinda wondering if she was bussing.

 

 

 

@Krak

 

I'm kinda surprised that I have to explain this, but since it's apparently something you're choosing to use to discredit me, I'll expand.

 

We all have different ways of playing. Cory, for instance, is very engaging. He gets a lot out of asking and interacting. Mynd is good at saying outragious stuff and gauging reactions. Hallia is less hands on but has a lot of insight. Me? I ISO and draw my conclusions. Anyone that has ever played with me is well aware of it. And you have played with me enough to know. So if you're gonna label me as scummy because I haven't asked you questions and picked your brains, then go right ahead. If something is unclear to me or doesn't make sense, I ask. But there was nothing to ask you, really. Your actions speak for themselves.

 

First of all, the change of your game style overnight is troubling. You've taken a very Cory-ish approach at the beginning of the game with all the questions. And half of the time the questions were kinda moot. It came across as fake. Then there's the whole thing with 'busting' Verbal that I won't even get into because it's been talked to death.

 

Then you egg on dice to say the number, which I don't get at all. Followed by a vote on Nolder without even explaining why. And following that with soft FoSing Mish for pointing out that Cory was posting in the sign ups but not in the actual game. Which I thought was weak. And then when Kronos says that Nolder's vote makes no sense, you get obtuse and ask him what doesn't. Then followed up on it with asking him if he's even reading the game. Zero sense.

 

Later you quoted my post about Nolder's vote and asked people for thoughts, without indicating what YOU made of it. It felt like you were putting it in the center of attention to see if you could get input from other players and check if it's something you can push. So Tina replies and you're like. Okay. Any more thoughts? And then Yates answers and you're like. I get it, I really do. But do you have more?. You poke Cory too and see if anything sticks out to him. Did you follow up any of those responses with what exactly you got out of these interactions and these questions? Oh that's right. You got a big fat nothing. But hey, at least you're engaging. And that's the towniest thing ever, right? :P

 

Then once Yates asks you what you make of of my post, you finally say that you "don't like the angle we're taking, defending Verb and prodding people about Nolder, but sitting with a vote on Verb." Which frankly is BS. And I've already explained in my ISO why our vote was on Krak. If that doesn't satisfy you, then tough.

 

Then you carry on with a string of emtpy questions. "How was his vote random. How is it the most random vote. I want to hear your thoughts. Do you think that vote is likely to come from rand to be scum?"  But yeah, I don't really see you following through with much. Just asking questions. And then you started off with asking people for their town leans, which again, you've never provided your on. You can spin this by saying I never asked you, but I'll spin it right back because I got the distinct feeling that you're probing people for their reads for reasons that are not pro-town. You have put on a front of being engaging, but I feel like you fell short.

 

Then after all the questions you direct the focus back to Lee and me. "LouNy is making me second guess myself with that blatant defense on Verb and attempt to direct attention to Nolder.  I really hope Verb/LouNy aren't scum together because I hope it's not that easy." Which is basically you following up yet again with the the single post we've made that you pushed time and time again. Even though I think I made myself rather clear about it.

 

Later you unvote Nolder. Not really saying why. Not that you explained the voting to begin with, so w/e, right? Which comes down to the same issues that you're big on the asking but not big on the sharing.

 

Then you keep poking people for their town reads. And once I provide our lean list you're all.... yeah, that list isn't sitting well with me. You said, and I quote: "I don't think there's any evidence to back up her town reads and it looks cobbled together."  Funny, I don't recall you asking for my reasoning. But hey, I've expanded on it in my recent posts, so feel free to revisit. But this, once again, is you nudging at us. For instance this is a place where I'd EXPECT you to ask us for further detail, but you never do. You just FoS us and move along. Without even providing, say, your own read list. You know... just to show us how a solid totally townie motivated lean list you have

 

Then you go on a line of questioning with Kronos which you give him multiple answers of what would nolder do!? lol  Came across as weird that a person that you voted for not too long ago was the same person that you were kind soft defending.

 

You move on to more empty questioning and then eventually voting us..... 

 

Not gonna complete the ISO because you have a lot of content and I don't have time before deadline strikes. But in a nutshell, you're howling. You've started off trying to push Verbal for nothing. And then went on for trying to push us for supposedly defending him. The fact that you voted Nolder and then backed away from it into soft defending him has been giving me pause. And your recent posts have done nothing to change my mind about it.

Most of the stuff before they got lynched though was calling me scum/attract attention elsewhere.

[Hallia]

Because it's between him and Nol today.  

[Krakalakachkn]

That's not what you said when you voted him.

[Hallia]

I believe so.

 

Cory said in one of his posts that Nol was cleared.  What d'you think of that Krak?

 

Is it between me and Yates?

 

 

And if that's the case, I will

 

Vote: Yates

 

It's between them.  Everyone else says between the three of us, but of course I'll say between the two of them, because I'm town.

[Krakalakachkn]

and yet no on is voting for Nolder, you've quoted yourself twice with your two quotes proving nothing you've just said, and just because you're "town" doesn't take you off the table.

[Krakalakachkn]

If anything those two quotes kinda disprove what you're saying you said

[Hallia]

I know that, but I'm surely not going to vote myself.

[Krakalakachkn]

Why?

[Hallia]

Because I'm not going to willingly contribute to the death of a townie?

[Krakalakachkn]

It helps us narrow down the suspect list.

[Hallia]

From my reread, most people put the three of us down as the for sure location of scum.  It's pretty narrow

[Krakalakachkn]

So why Yates instead of Nolder?

[michellem]

Hallia, just cause I aint been playing doesn't mean I'm completly out of sync. And I can't see a change.

[Hallia]

My gut says Nol, but no one else seems to see it.  Even Cory said he likely wasn't scum. 

 

@Mish - Ok then, I'm sorry you feel that way.   I notice a difference. ^.^

[Krakalakachkn]

Shouldn't you be…casing/arguing for Nol's lynch then?

[Krakalakachkn]

Instead of going on the defensive by voting Yates and making futile, self-referential meta arguments?

[Yates]

At the same time I see nothing "townie" about Yates.

I see it. as scummy.

Nice talk. Thanks for the case.

[Yates]

[v]TinaHel[/v]

[Yates]

I see nothing "townie" about Tina.