[Standard] Cory vs. Bad Dietary Habits & Laziness Mafia, Mafia Sweep

TheSlenderMan · September 22, 2014

My reads at present:

CS/Hallia are town.

Yates is mafia. This is a lean.

AJ is mafia. I think he is trying to help arsis stay away from the lead with his recent vote jumps. Why the Darthe vote?

Arsis is mafia. Agree with slender and Darthe about their thoughts.

SP is town. I think he is a setup lynch.

Krak is town. Really null and needs to post more.

Manbat is town. This is a lean. I have no bad comments for him.

Vos is mafia. Really didn't like that post.

Darthe is town. Same as manbat.

Tsb is town. Null actually. He needs to get back in the game. He knows about it so play.

TI is town.

Pralaya is town. This is a lean. He needs to get caught up or some semblance thereof.

Slender is town. I feel good about what he has said so far.

Dice is town. This is also a lean but fairly solid.

TG/Meri is mafia. I gave my reason already.

Despo is mafia.

TomTress is mafia. This is a lean. Tress made an odd comment in her read on us. Something like wanting us to spend more time on something other than TG. I don't see how that post comes from a townie that thinks I'm mafia.

Anyway there you go. I need to get started to.my day. May not be around at dl.

[unvote]

[V] Arsis[/v]

Willing to switch back to any of my other mafia reads to consolidate.

Wtf is that bolded and underlined.

keyholder21 · September 22, 2014

Official Vote Count:

Darthe (1) - Halligeddon

Yates (1) - Tomstress

Krak (2)- Manbat, TI

TI (1) - Krak

Pral (1) - TheSlenderMan

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to majority!

Deadline:

TheSlenderMan · September 22, 2014

WAIT WE STILL HAVE TWO DAYS LEFT?

TheSlenderMan · September 22, 2014

Sweet Jesus so tired if that's true I'm just gonna hit the hay ASAP.

Need to reassess the Turinousity entirely it would seem.

Tommyrod · September 22, 2014

Stopped at delivery only have a few moments for sure.

Right now I'm a bit torn between AJ and Vos. I think they could be wolf/wolf with the stances on each other they have given. Further if Vos is mafia which I am reading him strongly as then by rule of threes one of me, AJ and Despo are also. I know it isn't me.

AJ, why did you discount the Arsis votes in the vc you posted. He was in front but you said it was between you and me. From here it looked like a shot at pushing me when I couldn't respond. Also the way you tried to preemptively spew yourself as town based on a mafia Vos flip stinks.

Vos. You put out that you didn't like me going after the miller claim on d1. But then you say he must be lynched. Why not today? You also put it out that you think he is likely town but want to.lynch him. Not good.

[unvote]

[V] Vos[/v]

@Despo, I meant I would consolidate on people in my list. Meaning I will not consolidate on a town read.

Pralaya, what is your reasoning for suspecting Darthe and TSB?

Official Vote Count:

Arsis (5) – manbat , dice, Pral, Darthe, Halligeddon

TI (1) – GleMeri,

SickPuppets (1) - Yates

Tomstress (1) - Arsis

Nervositee (5) - Des, Tomstress, TheSlenderMan, AJ, TI

Not Voting (4): everyone else

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch!

Hopefully it was just the Turin quote that was bugging

I think Pral just has terrible reads tbh. The only person on his list likely to actually be scum is tsb.

Yates/aj are probably my two strongest town reads.

Tsb/sp/turi/tommy are your go to scum team

Maybe take tommy out for one of the lurkers like pral/krak/vos.

This sequence of posts making me feel better about Arsis again. Scum have a lot more trouble handling multiple reads at once, and are usually more singular. Arsis showing that he's paying attention to multiple reads and interactions like this looks good for him imo

Arsis is town.

Official Vote Count:

Arsis (5) – manbat , dice, Pral, Darthe, Halligeddon

TI (2) – GleMeri, Arsis

SickPuppets (1) - Yates

Nervositee (5) - Des, Tomstress, TheSlenderMan, AJ, TI

Not Voting (4): everyone else

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch!

Deadline: Thursday, 9pm EST.

@Despo. Easy to say it looks fake to.you. what will you say if I'm lynched when I flip town?

Survey for the game. Did you give tg townie points for how he claimed? I think the honest majority will say yes.

Of course. That is why it is a rhetorical question. Just answer please.

He had a fuzzy mafia read on Tsb. He called me "confirmed wolf". One is a much higher magnitude than the other. Analogy: you see a scoop of ice cream. Then you see a banana split with everything you like. You can only choose one. Which do you pick?

The idea is not tarnished. Your questioning motivation is a different thing. One is optimal play or not. You seem to be getting wishy washy about wether it is a good idea to.lynch a miller claim there too.

Despo do you have a won't lynch list? Same thing. As it works right now all the candidates are on my wtl list. Except myself.

I am still at.my stop so can keep posting for a while.

If I am the lynch so be it. Just do as I ask and consider what I have said after I flip town.

There's still a difference between "I'm willing to lynch anyone on this list" and "I'm willing to consolidate on any of my scum reads"

Consolidate specifically means you're voting more to secure a lynch, not go with your top scum reads. It's an unnecessary and irrelevant word there, so you including it looks like scum tripping up over their wording and also possibly you ditching responsibility for a vote later on - because it's for "consolidation" while still trying to look protown and make it seem like you are only willing to lynch your scum reads

Basically talking out of both corners of your mouth

you are arguing semantics. But whatever.

And I only talk out of the center of my.mouth.

AJ. When people inject that they are being transparent or coming from a town place or that an action makes them look better, it.makes me personally think they are begging for town points cause they know they are mafia. You have done this to an extreme degree this game. Your frustration is coming across as a,wolf caught for unknown reasons. "I did nothing wrong" why are they on to me? That is the juju part for me.

There has also been some language that sounds lawyery to me. That also makes me suspicious. Action wise I would have to go.back and look.

Case on Vos in a nutshell.

Bad entry post about too active so soon. Also put out "ideas" which looked more like rehashing. Agrees too.much with Despo, AJ was something. And Ti is bad but I haven't read yet. Amazingly he comes back to vote TI.

Oh also, stated that Miller's need to die but since GleMeri are likely town for how they claimed it should be later. LOL

There may have been something about killing puppies too. ( I just.made that last part up)

Arsis, you saying that you don't think Vos is mafia and that you think krak is,mafia. Krak doesn't think Vos is mafia either.

Why do you think Vos is town and do you have any issues with krak sharing that view? Bonus follo up do you think krak KNOWS Vos is town?

So yeah -- two people that Turin has as scum start lock clearing Arsis when Arsis is top wagon and Turin just moves to Vos and never discusses Arsis again, just asks him this confusing question at the end.

Not an awesome progression.

Tommyrod · September 22, 2014

I guess Darthe could be scum and changed up his game after getting sniped by AJ N1 in the last game.

His votes, for Arsis and Salami respectively, are meh. His rambling rant before voting Arsis is meh. Policy pushing Salami for not claiming is meh. It's all just "meh." And there's often scum in the meh.

Tommyrod · September 22, 2014

How do you feel about TG's claim, Turin?

I don't feel anything about it. Flavour wise it seems to fit. I am leaning to believe the claim. Not sure how Miller fits in with Standard type mafia set up however.

Arsis, is a quest bar some sort of protein thing? Or is it where adventurers go to tell tales?

Bad language already? How uncivilised.

[V]Vote TG[/v]

Can do without a muddying of waters

I'd self vote and get rid. It's a negative to Town.

So if you are a Miller you cause uncertainty and wifom.

If you are Mafia claiming Miller you cause uncertainty and wifom.

There's no real good reason to keep you about.

Tommy, the problem is that making the miller claim commits TG to being deep wolf. Therefore he will look as town as can be. Bussing as required and calling out teammates exactly as a townie would. If it gets down to lylo with TG still there, you (provided you are town) and the last person not confirmed. You gonna vote TG or the other person, say a VT claim if they look about the same game wise?

Personally it is a chance I would rather not take.

This transition is difficult to stomach. I think Des has beaten this to death, but a 50 minute turnaround for "it's plausible and I don't feel anything" to pushing TG hard for the entire rest of the game?

Tommyrod · September 22, 2014

[unvote]

[v]Turin[/v]

Bedtime. Suggest votes and discussion on Turin.

Tommyrod · September 22, 2014

I think Pral and Turin have an unspoken agreement to not push each other in this game as well, so if one flips scum I expect the other shall also.

Arsis · September 22, 2014

Stopped at delivery only have a few moments for sure.

Right now I'm a bit torn between AJ and Vos. I think they could be wolf/wolf with the stances on each other they have given. Further if Vos is mafia which I am reading him strongly as then by rule of threes one of me, AJ and Despo are also. I know it isn't me.

AJ, why did you discount the Arsis votes in the vc you posted. He was in front but you said it was between you and me. From here it looked like a shot at pushing me when I couldn't respond. Also the way you tried to preemptively spew yourself as town based on a mafia Vos flip stinks.

Vos. You put out that you didn't like me going after the miller claim on d1. But then you say he must be lynched. Why not today? You also put it out that you think he is likely town but want to.lynch him. Not good.

[unvote]

[V] Vos[/v]

@Despo, I meant I would consolidate on people in my list. Meaning I will not consolidate on a town read.

Pralaya, what is your reasoning for suspecting Darthe and TSB?

Official Vote Count:

Arsis (5) – manbat , dice, Pral, Darthe, Halligeddon

TI (1) – GleMeri,

SickPuppets (1) - Yates

Tomstress (1) - Arsis

Nervositee (5) - Des, Tomstress, TheSlenderMan, AJ, TI

Not Voting (4): everyone else

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch!

Hopefully it was just the Turin quote that was bugging

I think Pral just has terrible reads tbh. The only person on his list likely to actually be scum is tsb.

Yates/aj are probably my two strongest town reads.

Tsb/sp/turi/tommy are your go to scum team

Maybe take tommy out for one of the lurkers like pral/krak/vos.

This sequence of posts making me feel better about Arsis again. Scum have a lot more trouble handling multiple reads at once, and are usually more singular. Arsis showing that he's paying attention to multiple reads and interactions like this looks good for him imo

Arsis is town.

Official Vote Count:

Arsis (5) – manbat , dice, Pral, Darthe, Halligeddon

TI (2) – GleMeri, Arsis

SickPuppets (1) - Yates

Nervositee (5) - Des, Tomstress, TheSlenderMan, AJ, TI

Not Voting (4): everyone else

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch!

Deadline: Thursday, 9pm EST.

@Despo. Easy to say it looks fake to.you. what will you say if I'm lynched when I flip town?

Survey for the game. Did you give tg townie points for how he claimed? I think the honest majority will say yes.

Of course. That is why it is a rhetorical question. Just answer please.

He had a fuzzy mafia read on Tsb. He called me "confirmed wolf". One is a much higher magnitude than the other. Analogy: you see a scoop of ice cream. Then you see a banana split with everything you like. You can only choose one. Which do you pick?

The idea is not tarnished. Your questioning motivation is a different thing. One is optimal play or not. You seem to be getting wishy washy about wether it is a good idea to.lynch a miller claim there too.

Despo do you have a won't lynch list? Same thing. As it works right now all the candidates are on my wtl list. Except myself.

I am still at.my stop so can keep posting for a while.

If I am the lynch so be it. Just do as I ask and consider what I have said after I flip town.

There's still a difference between "I'm willing to lynch anyone on this list" and "I'm willing to consolidate on any of my scum reads"

Consolidate specifically means you're voting more to secure a lynch, not go with your top scum reads. It's an unnecessary and irrelevant word there, so you including it looks like scum tripping up over their wording and also possibly you ditching responsibility for a vote later on - because it's for "consolidation" while still trying to look protown and make it seem like you are only willing to lynch your scum reads

Basically talking out of both corners of your mouth

you are arguing semantics. But whatever.

And I only talk out of the center of my.mouth.

AJ. When people inject that they are being transparent or coming from a town place or that an action makes them look better, it.makes me personally think they are begging for town points cause they know they are mafia. You have done this to an extreme degree this game. Your frustration is coming across as a,wolf caught for unknown reasons. "I did nothing wrong" why are they on to me? That is the juju part for me.

There has also been some language that sounds lawyery to me. That also makes me suspicious. Action wise I would have to go.back and look.

Case on Vos in a nutshell.

Bad entry post about too active so soon. Also put out "ideas" which looked more like rehashing. Agrees too.much with Despo, AJ was something. And Ti is bad but I haven't read yet. Amazingly he comes back to vote TI.

Oh also, stated that Miller's need to die but since GleMeri are likely town for how they claimed it should be later. LOL

There may have been something about killing puppies too. ( I just.made that last part up)

Arsis, you saying that you don't think Vos is mafia and that you think krak is,mafia. Krak doesn't think Vos is mafia either.

Why do you think Vos is town and do you have any issues with krak sharing that view? Bonus follo up do you think krak KNOWS Vos is town?

So yeah -- two people that Turin has as scum start lock clearing Arsis when Arsis is top wagon and Turin just moves to Vos and never discusses Arsis again, just asks him this confusing question at the end.

Not an awesome progression.

Yeah, that makes no sense. Seems more like scum trying to cast suspicion on everyone. He knows you guys are town so he can't really go up against you or he'll look bad. He then goes right to going after des again at the start of day 2. Why not fight des eod especially if I'm your biggest scum read? Why? Because you're scum.

[v]turin[/v]

Arsis · September 22, 2014

I think Pral and Turin have an unspoken agreement to not push each other in this game as well, so if one flips scum I expect the other shall also.

Pral/Darthe/Turin/krak? Would fit.

Tommyrod · September 22, 2014

"He knows you guys are town so he can't really go up against you or he'll look bad. He then goes right to going after des again at the start of day 2. Why not fight des eod especially if I'm your biggest scum read? Why? Because you're scum."

My thoughts exactly.

Darthe · September 22, 2014

Okay. Gonna have to catch up on this tomorrow since I am on a limited time sorta thing atm but someone give me the brief scoop and I'll be around for the next 20 or so if you wanna talk to me. I got my memory and my voice.

Darthe · September 22, 2014

"He knows you guys are town so he can't really go up against you or he'll look bad. He then goes right to going after des again at the start of day 2. Why not fight des eod especially if I'm your biggest scum read? Why? Because you're scum."

My thoughts exactly.

Who are you quoting here?

Tommyrod · September 22, 2014

Your buddy Fartsis. 4 posts above your question.

Silly Derf. So silly.

Tyler Glembo · September 22, 2014

Just getting back on DM. Whoever lynched Vos sucks. Vos is legit one of the better players on this site and would have been helpful.

Be a while before I"m caught back up since I"m on page 50something, but I'll keep bugging Meri. She said something about CS wanting to know our read on Tommy and about claiming healer. Correct?

Arsis · September 22, 2014

Just getting back on DM. Whoever lynched Vos sucks. Vos is legit one of the better players on this site and would have been helpful.

Be a while before I"m caught back up since I"m on page 50something, but I'll keep bugging Meri. She said something about CS wanting to know our read on Tommy and about claiming healer. Correct?

Also your opinion on being poisoned and why?

Tyler Glembo · September 22, 2014

Haven't gotten there yet, but I'm poisoned? Meri didn't mention that.

Tyler Glembo · September 22, 2014

If so I'm assuming it's because our slot is LOCKTOWN and isn't getting lynched.

Tommyrod · September 22, 2014

Haven't gotten there yet, but I'm poisoned? Meri didn't mention that.

lol

best hydra

Yates · September 22, 2014

I'm reading through now. Decided to stop at this post because something is bothering me.

Go and look back at who were trying to nudge against Tommy end of D1- Yates, Darthe, Arsis, Krak

This isn't just at Pral since a few of you have accused me of "nudging" Tommy yesterday. I think you were missing my point. My concern wasn't that I thought Tom was scum. My concern was that a lot of people were white knighting him for no reason. THAT was my concern. I had Tommy fully null. Fully. And I typically have him read sooner. So if *I* wasn't reading him, I wanted to know what others were seeing. And, ftr, I only saw Hally answer that question.

With that said, I do have growing concerns about Tommy. I think his push on Pral looked pretty forced. I was trying to "catch" him making up meta on Pral at EOD. I suppose it's conceivable that he took the time to research Pral - exhaustively - and noticed something weird in Pral's wording as Town vs Scum. But then I thought - maybe I'm just lazy but who has the time to do something like that on a whole huge player base? To me, this started to look like scum creating a narrative to push a mislynch.

Another thing I look for is bizzaro logic. Logic that I can't see coming from experienced Town. Some people just think outside the box or differently from me. I get that. I try very hard to see the Town motivation in a different perspective. But sometimes that perspective still looks shady. Tommy's poisoner theory is just WAY too out there to possibly be legit. I can't see an experienced mafia player - with the information we have - acting like a poisoner SK doesn't make sense when I'm fairly sure that would be the FIRST assumption one would make. Post in question:

The way I've seen it done in the past is both scum and town get a poisoner and town has a healer. So scum tries to poison a wolfy villager so that the townie doesn't know which one to heal.

Poisoning TG is just such an odd choice for the main mafia faction. Poison ME, at least. Don't poison TG. He claimed miller. Scum doesn't kill millers. So I would guess the poisoner is third and this is a WF-esque game that Cory designed and we have like 2 or 3 indies. I don't know if a poisoner SK even make sense though, so maybe the poisoner is scum and they thought either TG was getting cleared by people too easily due to his claim or thought he was lying? I don't know, but something's stupid about this situation if we do have a healer.

I pretty much had Des caught in a game that was just cancelled because of him using fail logic. Remember this post, Des?

If so that makes lynching TG such an absurdly obvious pick it's crazy. Either we get two scum for the price of one, or we get a confirmed townie and make it so the Seer doesn't have to out themselves viewing either one of you
This is terrible for multiple reasons:
1. Who cares about the Seer? Weakest version of "cop" in the history of mafia games ever. Literally can not nail a guilty OR innocent in this game.

2. I don't think our mason pairs should claim. Like. Ever.

3. In your scenario where I *am* Masons with TG, if you lynch TG I would be confirmed Town and thus the obvious NK with no protection role. How is that PRO TOWN?

That was probably the scummiest post of the Day phase.

You're actually right on pretty much all that stuff. I do disagree on #2 since I think it would DEF be protown to get something like that out in the open (scum would be more afraid of linking themselves and town masons will be confirmed by their partner's death so scum wouldn't want to kill them) but that point is moot today

But yeah I think I wasn't really thinking there, especially bout how with no protection gaining a conftown doesn't help us whatsoever

So I retract that line of thought

One final thing of note is I typically find it weird for people to push cases on anyone afk. I gave this a little more slack, too, when Tommy tried the CFD on Pral since it WAS near deadline. But, again, this is a tactic Des *just* employed in that last game against TG and I called him out on it. It was easier for me to fight him on that in that game since TG was my mason buddy, but I have no clue what Pral is. So I just took note and waited for the flips to come in. That's actually why I asked Tommy about his Pral "case" first thing this day phase. It seemed like he had "forgotten" about it.

In summary, you people lock clearing Tommy have some explaining to do because he's scum.

[v]Tommyrod[/v]

Also, if you look at Des in that game versus Des in this game - he treats popular and unpopular opinions very differently. He is almost certainly Town here. My Des reads are pretty above average these days.

Arsis · September 22, 2014

It had been an okay enough week for Cory. He was keeping up with his gym routine and eating consciously. All in all, he felt major progress had been made. Things were looking up. Sunflowers had smiley faces and were dancing outside of his window. You know, imagery and stuff.

He whistled over to the scale for a weigh-in. This is my favorite part, he contemplated wistfully, seeing the fruits of your labor. One foot and then the other.

The scale spit out: 223.8.

Really? Are you flipping serious?

Maybe it was a bad time of day or something. Maybe gravity had become stronger this week? That's probably improbable. Still, he felt like he'd worked much harder than this. A fifth of a pound? He mines-well be exactly back where he started with nothing but lost time. Maybe he had some extra water weight and that was throwing off the result? Maybe he needed to cut down more on his calorie intake? Maybe this was all some sort of sick cosmic joke?

Cory decided to put on a face of optimism and see it another way: the foundation had been set, even if the first results had not been optimal... Surely, things would change?

Surely.

As he was walking back to his room he didn't even hear his dog crash into the pantry door and jar his bag of Blue Diamond almonds onto the floor. By the morning, they were gone*. Whatever plans he had for the weekend were quickly replaced by a long vet trip and a sick, sick dog.

After enough dog... expulsions, the mere concept of eating almonds was tied to a pretty nauseating association. Maybe it was time to take a break from his favorite mid-afternoon snack. He was thinking Cashews would be a good buy for next week. Yeah, Cashews. That sounds better.

Andrej, Almonds, Vanilla Town has been night-killed.

* no dogs were harmed in the write-ups for this game.

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GleMeri has been poisoned!

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It is now Day 2! With 15 alive, it's 8 to majority!

Deadline will be 9 pm EST on 9/23.

Tommyrod · September 22, 2014

^ idiot

Tommyrod · September 22, 2014

Yates is gonna vote me because I skimmed through some of Pral's prior games and because I said serial killer poisoner with a town healer makes no sense.

Okay Yates. THATS COOL.

Yates · September 22, 2014

I guess if I were you I'd be more suspicious of me leading a CFD on you "when I knew you wouldn't be around."

Right? No? Am I wrong?

You're right. I'm more suspicious of you. Also, for forgetting about your case this morning.

[Standard] Cory vs. Bad Dietary Habits & Laziness Mafia, Mafia Sweep

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