[Standard] Cory vs. Bad Dietary Habits & Laziness Mafia, Mafia Sweep

[Ithillian Turambar]

 

 

I'm monstrman

Oh wow I didn't know. Tight man!

 

Early green read for you then

I don't think the cop should view TG. I clearly think we should Lynch him, as that's the only way were gonna get a real true alignment.

 

Why are you making out like I'm trying to direct the cop? That's just waaaaaaaay out there.

Ithi you're the one who said that people might all walk away from this and let TG off the hook, and that the Cop wouldn't view him. Your words, not mine.

 

I wasn't trying to fos you for trying to direct the cop, I was just trying to get where you were coming from cause that post made no sense.

I said the cop wouldn't view him cos what would be the point? If he's Mafia he'll show up Mafia. If he's a miller he'll show up mafia. (I have removed the word town to stop annoyance)

 

The only way to find out what he is to to get him dead.

[monstrman]

Also Despo does a massive post listing all the reasons - could be Mafia.

 

But also says I could be Town.

 

3rd vote being Mafia is epic funny.

 

And

 

 

I thought that's what it was. Town Miller like Town Vanilla like Town cop.

 

Alignment and Role?

 

Seems a little thing to get annoyed about really.

 

Technically Town Miller is redundant because miller by definition is a townie that detects as a mafia, but it doesn't really matter tbph.

[hazelkrs1]

So my early suspects are Arsis, Yates, and TurIthian.

 

Arsis- sideline sniping and trying to stay away from being involved too heavily in the Miller discussion

 

Yates- REALLY didn't like him coming right out and saying he voted Tommy for reactions after Tommy questioned him about it once

 

TurIthian- playing antitown. Pushing policy lynches instead of scumhunting, trying to discredit their attackers and sow wifom

 

Early greens- TG, Tommy, Salami, Manbat, AJ

[Yates]

Yates- REALLY didn't like him coming right out and saying he voted Tommy for reactions after Tommy questioned him about it once

Is this how it went down? Really?

[Ithillian Turambar]

Anyways.

 

I need to go turn to page 127.

[Tommyrod]

 

Des how can you say TG's case on TSB/Swag is good? You know exactly what Swag is like from games on VS.

 

My meta on Swag isn't NEARLY as good as yours. So while yes, he does act pretty aloof early on in all the games I've seen him in, I can't completely disregard TG's points on meta.

 

And honestly I don't have a scumread on Swag or anything necessarily, I just think TG summed up HIS read very well and made me think he is town because of it

 

AJ/Tom/Csarmi/GT seem townie to me so far

 

In order of clearedness from feels and magic space junk

 

AJ

Tom/GT

Csarmi

 

no one's sticking out as particularly scummy. Page 7.

 

I like Manbat's early WIM and participation

 

1. I do believe that Tommy wouldn't get involved in a silly firefight as Mafia.

 

2. What's that about deflect?

 

3. You simultaneously manage to cast both me and Tommy as possible Mafia in your first response. That's good going. That fence must really be hurting your bottom.

 

4. TG wasn't voting me. He just stepped up the nudges on me after AJ and Tommy voted me. Maybe he didn't want to be number 3.

 

1. If you genuinely believe this you're objectively wrong. Tommy would have zero qualms getting involved in a "silly" firefight as Mafia

 

2. I think you townreading Tommy was you deflecting

 

3. Oh look- more discrediting of your attackers

 

4. .... Can't believe you're trying to push the "third on the wagon" thing too. Blech.

 

Like I could resist reading. Townish Despo WoT and mindmeld points on TG/IT.

 

Town lean.

 

Fwiw I actually have you as green now as well, even after your early posts

 

This post makes me lean town on Des. Good job.

[Tommyrod]

The line "And honestly I don't have a scumread on Swag or anything necessarily, I just think TG summed up HIS read very well and made me think he is town because of it" reads very villagery to me, I bet Monstr would agree.

[monstrman]

The line "And honestly I don't have a scumread on Swag or anything necessarily, I just think TG summed up HIS read very well and made me think he is town because of it" reads very villagery to me, I bet Monstr would agree.

 

I agree.

 

I also liked his line where he said "Your soulreading needs more reps."

 

It felt genuine.

[hazelkrs1]

 

Early green read for you then

Since when do you hand out early "green" reads as Town?

 

 

 

Uh.... all the freaking time?

 

 

 

I'm monstrman

Oh wow I didn't know. Tight man!

 

Early green read for you then

I don't think the cop should view TG. I clearly think we should Lynch him, as that's the only way were gonna get a real true alignment.

 

Why are you making out like I'm trying to direct the cop? That's just waaaaaaaay out there.

Ithi you're the one who said that people might all walk away from this and let TG off the hook, and that the Cop wouldn't view him. Your words, not mine.

 

I wasn't trying to fos you for trying to direct the cop, I was just trying to get where you were coming from cause that post made no sense.

I said the cop wouldn't view him cos what would be the point? If he's Mafia he'll show up Mafia. If he's a miller he'll show up mafia. (I have removed the word town to stop annoyance)

 

The only way to find out what he is to to get him dead.

 

 

That's not what you said at all Ithi

 

I don't think I've been discrediting my attackers?

 

Well apart from the one I'm voting for. I don't know how a Town Miller would behave. I can't help but see it as the perfect place for Mafia to hide especially as 'everyone' knows this is exactly what a town miller would do and thus it must be a Town Miller. Everyone walks away. Cop doesn't view. It's just perfect.

 

I may just be contrary - but if no Mafia has ever done this, why the hell not?

 

The narrative of bolded is basically that he could "get away" with his miller claim all easy peasy, that he wouldn't get lynched and cop wouldn't view

 

Point is, cop not viewing him isn't bad for town at all, regardless of if TG is lying or not. You bringing it up now trying to defend it and say you were saying something else looks like you just got CAUGHT imo

 

[v]TurIthian[/v]

[Yates]

I thought that's what it was. Town Miller like Town Vanilla like Town cop.

 

Alignment and Role?

Scum vanilla [goons] are a thing.

 

Scum cops [especially role cops] are a thing.

 

Scum Miller, though?

 

Also, I'm not annoyed by it. I noticed it. It appears others have since. It sticks out because it looks like someone being alignment sensitive. Town isn't typically all that concerned with being alignment sensitive.

[hazelkrs1]

 

Yates- REALLY didn't like him coming right out and saying he voted Tommy for reactions after Tommy questioned him about it once

Is this how it went down? Really?

 

 

 

 

Ping on Yates for the bad reach.

You don't have to like it. I just want to see responses to it.

 

 

Sorry Yates, TG called you out for it.

 

Regardless I'm not really buying that it was a real "trap" because if so you would have postured about it longer to see if anyone bit.

 

Again, "I did it for reactions" is a very common scum cop out. You know this, I know this, let's not play dumb, kk?

[Meridian]

I'd self vote and get rid. It's a negative to Town.

 

So if you are a Miller you cause uncertainty and wifom.

 

If you are Mafia claiming Miller you cause uncertainty and wifom.

 

There's no real good reason to keep you about.

Glems, this. And several subsequent posts. Given the game I was in just prior with Arsis and how Town wanted to simply lynch him on day one instead of hunting for mafia... why would we make a similar claim? Honestly, the only way for Town to be sure whose side we're on is to lynch us. And that is a waste of day one. Why didn't we just try to draw a NK for tonight, and then claim on Day 2?

[Ithillian Turambar]

Getting away with it means NOT GETTING LYNCHED.

 

I couldn't give a flying fox what the cop does.

 

I just believe that Miller is the perfect claim for a Mafia. And if he does get away with it I will give him 100 million dollars for being epic.

 

But I'd prefer to just lynch him.

 

Then we can all move on.

[TheSlenderMan]

Got to #80, going to continue reading once I've made myself a cup of coffee but right now:

 

[v]Arsis[/v]

 

The questioning of the Miller-claim seemed like a forced afterthought; he was commenting on csarmi's Vote and had an OP as well and the Miller-claim was the friggin' first post of the Thread. So that strikes me as weird.

 

THink #58 by Yates (the post where he Votes Tommy for talking about Rolenames) is >rand to come from Town. The only point I'd see for Scum to fake connecting-the-dots like that is if they had reason to assume the lineup would Townread them for it.

 

#64 by Ithi is interesting, slightly more likely to come from Town IMO.

 

TGlems is very likely Town IMO with his Miller-claim.

 

No other coherent thoughts as of yet -- don't know most of the playerbase, unfortunately, so that means following the Threadflow properly will require some additional Effort.

[Meridian]

Also, I don't like Dark Chocolate. Milk Chocolate is way better. Particularly with Caramel.

[Tommyrod]

 

The line "And honestly I don't have a scumread on Swag or anything necessarily, I just think TG summed up HIS read very well and made me think he is town because of it" reads very villagery to me, I bet Monstr would agree.

 

I agree.

 

I also liked his line where he said "Your soulreading needs more reps."

 

It felt genuine.

 

Yeah, when under suspicion town Des is more likely to counter with something snarky along the lines of "try again" and scum Des is more likely to flip out and OMGUS attack you.

[Tommyrod]

Got to #80, going to continue reading once I've made myself a cup of coffee but right now:

 

[v]Arsis[/v]

 

The questioning of the Miller-claim seemed like a forced afterthought; he was commenting on csarmi's Vote and had an OP as well and the Miller-claim was the friggin' first post of the Thread. So that strikes me as weird.

 

THink #58 by Yates (the post where he Votes Tommy for talking about Rolenames) is >rand to come from Town. The only point I'd see for Scum to fake connecting-the-dots like that is if they had reason to assume the lineup would Townread them for it.

 

#64 by Ithi is interesting, slightly more likely to come from Town IMO.

 

TGlems is very likely Town IMO with his Miller-claim.

 

No other coherent thoughts as of yet -- don't know most of the playerbase, unfortunately, so that means following the Threadflow properly will require some additional Effort.

Totally forgot you were in this game, that actually makes me happy because you're a level headed person and our styles should work well together when I'm not scum messing with your mind.

[Arsis]

So my early suspects are Arsis, Yates, and TurIthian.

 

Arsis- sideline sniping and trying to stay away from being involved too heavily in the Miller discussion

 

Yates- REALLY didn't like him coming right out and saying he voted Tommy for reactions after Tommy questioned him about it once

 

TurIthian- playing antitown. Pushing policy lynches instead of scumhunting, trying to discredit their attackers and sow wifom

 

Early greens- TG, Tommy, Salami, Manbat, AJ

I was asking a question that was in my opinion relevant. If they are new the play makes sense If they're not new the tone is off. I'm busy at work today. I was actually trying to be helpful and figure things out. Stay was their motivation to push for a policy lynch. Why stick with it?

[Yates]

Sorry Yates, TG called you out for it.

 

Regardless I'm not really buying that it was a real "trap" because if so you would have postured about it longer to see if anyone bit.

Ok. Just checking your math and reading comp.

 

At that point it had already become moot and had served its purpose/shelf life as it had been mostly ignored other than the two expected "whoa that was weird" and "wtf Yates" comments.

[Tommyrod]

Also, I don't like Dark Chocolate. Milk Chocolate is way better. Particularly with Caramel.

This is a scum claim. Not in a game related way, but because dark chocolate is INFINITELY better than milk chocolate. It's not even close.

[monstrman]

Is slendy typically really good as scum, or is he just an obvious villager? Generally when I'm in games with him I tend to read him as a villager but I haven't seen his scum game yet

[hazelkrs1]

Getting away with it means NOT GETTING LYNCHED.

 

I couldn't give a flying fox what the cop does.

 

I just believe that Miller is the perfect claim for a Mafia. And if he does get away with it I will give him 100 million dollars for being epic.

 

But I'd prefer to just lynch him.

 

Then we can all move on.

 

Bold: Then why would you have mentioned the cop not viewing him in that context? It seems fairly clear to me you were trying to make it seem like that would be part of TG "getting away with it". If that's not what you meant, please clarify.

 

Underlined: This just doesn't jive with the town!Ithi I know. She aint one to just push a policy lynch through, she loves getting tons of interactions and schtuffs on D1. Pushing through a policy lynch and "moving on" won't really help town much the rest of the game, especially if TG is telling the truth like I think he is

 

Got to #80, going to continue reading once I've made myself a cup of coffee but right now:

 

[v]Arsis[/v]

 

The questioning of the Miller-claim seemed like a forced afterthought; he was commenting on csarmi's Vote and had an OP as well and the Miller-claim was the friggin' first post of the Thread. So that strikes me as weird.

 

THink #58 by Yates (the post where he Votes Tommy for talking about Rolenames) is >rand to come from Town. The only point I'd see for Scum to fake connecting-the-dots like that is if they had reason to assume the lineup would Townread them for it.

 

#64 by Ithi is interesting, slightly more likely to come from Town IMO.

 

TGlems is very likely Town IMO with his Miller-claim.

 

No other coherent thoughts as of yet -- don't know most of the playerbase, unfortunately, so that means following the Threadflow properly will require some additional Effort.

 

Slight townie points to Slendy for a couple of "against the grain" reads here and also for catching what I saw about Arsis. Also excited to have some VS peeps on DM!

 

[Tommyrod]

Des looking slightly shook on this page

[Tommyrod]

The Slenderman observation about Arsis not noticing the miller claim is actually pretty astute, I'll enjoy it if he's right.

 

Allow me to be of assistance:

 

[v]Arsis[/v]

[hazelkrs1]

 

So my early suspects are Arsis, Yates, and TurIthian.

 

Arsis- sideline sniping and trying to stay away from being involved too heavily in the Miller discussion

 

Yates- REALLY didn't like him coming right out and saying he voted Tommy for reactions after Tommy questioned him about it once

 

TurIthian- playing antitown. Pushing policy lynches instead of scumhunting, trying to discredit their attackers and sow wifom

 

Early greens- TG, Tommy, Salami, Manbat, AJ

I was asking a question that was in my opinion relevant. If they are new the play makes sense If they're not new the tone is off. I'm busy at work today. I was actually trying to be helpful and figure things out. Stay was their motivation to push for a policy lynch. Why stick with it?

 

 

This was actually a decent response Arsis. I'd like to see your response to Slender's points about you as well tho before I take you from red to orange.

 

Is slendy typically really good as scum, or is he just an obvious villager? Generally when I'm in games with him I tend to read him as a villager but I haven't seen his scum game yet

 

I haven't seem him as scum yet but yeah I agree- he usually comes off as obvtown to me. Like Tommy said, he's very level headed and makes good observations.