Freemasons vs. Illuminati - LOOKING FOR ONE MORE PLAYER, QUICK GAME

[Andrej]

Arsis - real talk dude.

 

You've been ran up pretty close to getting lynched, or at least been on the table D1, in pretty much ~all of the recent games.

 

Now, why do you think that is?

 

Cause you're so uber towny and people just misunderstand you or because you play like a douche troll and it makes hard for people actually concerned with figuring things out to read you?

[Yates]

AJ - talk to me.

 

Assume for a minute that you, me, TG, and Clov are all mod confirmed Town. Where are the scum?

 

I am bad at reading Key. Fair warning. I pretty much always read her as Town.

 

Any concerns with Des, Dice, or Lenlo?

[Arsis]

Arsis - real talk dude.

 

You've been ran up pretty close to getting lynched, or at least been on the table D1, in pretty much ~all of the recent games.

 

Now, why do you think that is?

 

Cause you're so uber towny and people just misunderstand you or because you play like a douche troll and it makes hard for people actually concerned with figuring things out to read you?

It's because people are intimidated by my good looks?

[Arsis]

Real talk... Lmao.

[Arsis]

Keeping it gutter.

[Yates]

Keeping it gutter.

You are playing like you are from Jersey. JERSEY!

 

Represent better.

[Arsis]

 

Keeping it gutter.

You are playing like you are from Jersey. JERSEY!

 

Represent better.

Sorry, I am appropriately shamed.

 

I'll do better. I'll be better.

 

 

AAj is still scum this game.

[Yates]

AAj is still scum this game.

Okay. Let's say you are right. Who are his scum bros?

 

What do you think of Des, Dice, and Lenlo?

[Andrej]

AJ - talk to me.

 

Assume for a minute that you, me, TG, and Clov are all mod confirmed Town. Where are the scum?

 

I am bad at reading Key. Fair warning. I pretty much always read her as Town.

 

Any concerns with Des, Dice, or Lenlo?

 

I basically need to readjust my entire picture of the game here, so bare with me.

 

Arsis I just want dead at this point. Legit don't even care what alignment - he needs to go.

 

I'm not particularly concerned with Despot. I think his first WoT was pretty good and his follow-on posts aren't bad.

 

Lenlo could actually really be scum. Looking at it again, several have called him out or voiced concern. TG, Key, Despot, BFG. I really dislike how he just posted a GIF and nothing else earlier in response to TG. Maybe I'm just bad at recognizing him (I never really thought much of him in the Woodstock game) so there's that too. I also think I allowed my perspective get fogged up there and was only looking at things from the view that TG is scum.

 

Dice is iffy. I have an ~okay feeling about him from some of his earlier posts but of course I'd love more data.

 

Key I think is probably town. If Len turns out to be town, I might tinfoil a bit since she seems to be the one really pushing that wagon and I don't think Lenlo does a great job of portraying/defending himself as town which can make him lynchbait. That's something to worry about later though.

[Yates]

I can tinfoil on Des but I'm leaning Town. I need to see more posts. Thing is, I don't get good vibes from Lenlo. And Lenlo scum would make his RVS vote look like a distancing vote. So I want that in thread.

 

I actually don't remember Dice from this game. Need to ISO.

[Yates]

Arsis I just want dead at this point. Legit don't even care what alignment - he needs to go.

Normal game? PL wouldn't hurt my feelings. This game? I don't see how we are going to win. I plugged this setup into a mafia balance simulator. It's not pretty for Town.

 

We need people to Town tell like crazy and start a Town block within the next ~12-20 hours to have a chance.

[Arsis]

 

AAj is still scum this game.

Okay. Let's say you are right. Who are his scum bros?

 

What do you think of Des, Dice, and Lenlo?

Lenlo and des would make good teammates for him.

[Andrej]

10/10 would sheep

[Lenlo]

 

AJ - talk to me.

 

Assume for a minute that you, me, TG, and Clov are all mod confirmed Town. Where are the scum?

 

I am bad at reading Key. Fair warning. I pretty much always read her as Town.

 

Any concerns with Des, Dice, or Lenlo?

 

I basically need to readjust my entire picture of the game here, so bare with me.

 

Arsis I just want dead at this point. Legit don't even care what alignment - he needs to go.

 

I'm not particularly concerned with Despot. I think his first WoT was pretty good and his follow-on posts aren't bad.

 

Lenlo could actually really be scum. Looking at it again, several have called him out or voiced concern. TG, Key, Despot, BFG. I really dislike how he just posted a GIF and nothing else earlier in response to TG. Maybe I'm just bad at recognizing him (I never really thought much of him in the Woodstock game) so there's that too. I also think I allowed my perspective get fogged up there and was only looking at things from the view that TG is scum.

 

Dice is iffy. I have an ~okay feeling about him from some of his earlier posts but of course I'd love more data.

 

Key I think is probably town. If Len turns out to be town, I might tinfoil a bit since she seems to be the one really pushing that wagon and I don't think Lenlo does a great job of portraying/defending himself as town which can make him lynchbait. That's something to worry about later though.

 

Note for the woodstock game: I basically dropped out/tried to get replaced that game and told the mod such. I had no time and still dont. The only reason im even in this game is because I forgot to pull out of it.

[Lenlo]

Also for the responding to TG with a gif thing: I already responded to TG, he hasnt said anything new and I didnt feel like rehashing, so I threw a gif at him that, in my opinion, is the perfect sum up of arguments against his reasoning.

[Yates]

Key I think is probably town. If Len turns out to be town, I might tinfoil a bit since she seems to be the one really pushing that wagon and I don't think Lenlo does a great job of portraying/defending himself as town which can make him lynchbait. That's something to worry about later though.

I agree with all but the tinfoiling. Key has some pretty good instincts [despite Woodstock!] so I can see her getting after him if he screws up. I kind of like that she's on him. Keeps him honest.

[Yates]

Lenlo!!! Wuzzz up???

 

I'm thinking about starting a lynch mob and coming to your house. What do you think of that? Or, you know, of the game state?

[Yates]

Dice is iffy. I have an ~okay feeling about him from some of his earlier posts but of course I'd love more data.

Can you expand on this a bit?

[Lenlo]

I dont think my dorm room could hold a mob and I dont think I could clear it with my roomie.

 

For the state of the game, I wouldnt mind lynching Arsis just to get him to shut up. Like you people yell at me for being useless and not playing a pro-town game blah blah blah and yet what has he done? Seriously, tell me what hes done aside from being around and being a distraction? Reminds me abit of late era EP, whom you wouldnt know but im sure others remember.

 

Other than that I think AJ is town, your status is dependent on TG's, Dice/GF/BFG need to post more, like how Key has started to argue actual points instead of stupid semantics with me, Des is usually around more and this is odd for him, Clov is leaning town, Hally has been scare lately and I could go either way on TG.

[Andrej]

As far as the other slots, I'm pretty null on BFG. I don't think her latching onto the stuff she did is necessarily a ~bad sign, because she does stuff like that, but I would need more to really decide. Plus I admittedly am really not good at discerning her alignment.

 

GF - good luck getting pretty much anything out of him. I'm surprised he even posted as much as he did, when he did. Lynching his is usually like a crap shoot imo and I don't think I've ever actually seen him flip scum in the games we've played together.

 

Hallia - well, it's Hallia.

[Andrej]

I dont think my dorm room could hold a mob and I dont think I could clear it with my roomie.

 

For the state of the game, I wouldnt mind lynching Arsis just to get him to shut up. Like you people yell at me for being useless and not playing a pro-town game blah blah blah and yet what has he done? Seriously, tell me what hes done aside from being around and being a distraction? Reminds me abit of late era EP, whom you wouldnt know but im sure others remember.

 

Other than that I think AJ is town, your status is dependent on TG's, Dice/GF/BFG need to post more, like how Key has started to argue actual points instead of stupid semantics with me, Des is usually around more and this is odd for him, Clov is leaning town, Hally has been scare lately and I could go either way on TG.

 

Again - maybe I'm just bad at reading Lenlo but I don't think posts like this come from scum.

[Hallia]

Upon reread, I'm reading Len as town, as I am with AJ and Key.  Not sure about Des.  I'd like to trust him, but mmmmmm. No idea whatsoever on Dice/GF.  

[Yates]

Starting my Des ISO:

 

Post 274 is pretty solid [other than his permanent anti-Yates status]. Even if I disagree with him at points, I at least can see how it could come from a Town pov.

 

Literally 5 posts in a row of "not ready to post yet" "gonna post soon" "game load too big" stuff.

 

Gets a little dig in at Arsis by quoting my post wrt his self vote objectively being seen as a "tantrum" in post 392.

 

I will give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he was legitimately confused by TG's behavior wrt the quoted posts in his post 393.

 

Post 394 is him explaining his BFG Town read. He claims it's because of her wot in post 167 - and he seems to be sticking to his guns on this one. I don't see it. At all. There's nothing there that hadn't already been said by someone else in thread other than her "confusion" about how I arrived at my TG vote when she posted two of my posts out of band - imo - in an awkward manner. More on this when I ISO or end up making a case on her.

 

I agree with a lot of his post 197 wrt Dice. It didn't sit well with me either for reasons I'll share in his ISO post.

 

Post 409 was him voting TG based on your case that hinged on the "Cult of Lenlo" post being more game related than it was. I can understand the confusion and the vote if I didn't know what was up. But this one gives me some pause because I feel like Des *should be* aware of the Cult of Lenlo thing. So this post gives me less good feelings about Des.

 

Post 415 is his mia culpa after I clarified a misunderstanding. I want to give him Town points for this but it is also possible he would understand that anyone else reading the thread could have called him out on it later [ie. scum thinking he could "pin me" on something] but again, that's me tinfoiling.

 

Please take a look at post 427. Is it just me or is it odd that Des deigned to a mia culpa in the above but not when I showed him a post that he should have seen indicating TG would be away this week? Or is he just answering the question I posed straight up direct and I'm imagining that he isn't taking responsibility for screwing up?

 

[url=http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/90468-freemasons-vs-illuminati-game-thread/page-22?do=findComment&comment=3339224Posts 430 and 431 were from when I was hard defending TG. I cant objectively read these posts and feel like he isn't trying to discredit me or set me up for something.

 

We've been over post 439 and how scummy his suggestion was.

 

Then ANOTHER mia culpa in post 462 when he admits his post displayed bad strategy. I guess I could conceivably see him getting caught up in the moment and not thinking it through better. And there's not a lot of Pro scum value in putting a slimy post like that out there just to try to substantiate a mislynch.

 

Des left in post 464 still thinking AJ was right about TG. Which is too bad because the very next post was my hard defense post and I'd really like Des's input on it.

 

/ISO

[Yates]

phew. That was a lot of work! And it's getting late. I'll do Len, Dice, and probably BFG and Arsis tomorrow.

[Yates]

your [Yates] status is dependent on TG's

In what way? What does this mean? I see that I tied myself to TG but what would a TG scum flip suggest about me and what would a TG Town flip suggest about me? I can see how either case could be spun to make me look scummy.