Freemasons vs. Illuminati - LOOKING FOR ONE MORE PLAYER, QUICK GAME

[Arsis]

Work is slow for no reason today. Monday was super busy.

[hazelkrs1]

 

I REALLY doubt BFG is scum from her posts so far.

She has THREE content posts. I'd post them but two are WOT's. The other ~5-ish? are "hi" "thanks" and "oops" posts.

 

What gives you such a strong Town read on her?

 

 

I'm good at soulreading her off her wots. Others can do the same with me

 

 

Did he say he would be gone for a while or something?

Yeah. In the wheels up post you *just* quoted.  

 

 

I figured that was him getting on a flight somewhere, not being gone for a long amount of time just temporarily

 

Okay. I just realized that all he said in this game is that he's getting on a plane. But in the other game I assumed you saw this?

Good night ya'll.  Fair warning, I'm traveling for work starting tomorrow through the rest of the week.  Meridian will be holding it down for our hydra.  My posting will be spotty at best, completely absent at worst.

 

 

No I don't remember seeing that distinct post

[Yates]

So I ask - is there a reason you don't want to be voting TG right now?

Yes. I've already answered this. He looked really Town in your argument.

 

This is a little frustrating to answer because I would like to point some stuff out to you but I can't without advertising to TG what I *KNOW* are scum habits of his that he doesn't know I know. You know?

 

I think if you looked at the most recent game you were in with him critically, you'd see it. One thing I *can* say, though, is that he went after you without feeling the thread for consensus. Do you recall TG putting himself out there on the line like that as scum? I think the fact he's a scumspect AT ALL is pretty telling. It means he's playing against the grain. I like it. I think that's a Town look for him. Best I can tell you at this point.

[hazelkrs1]

Yates hard defending TG so much IS kinda making me want to lynch him more tbh

[hazelkrs1]

 

So I ask - is there a reason you don't want to be voting TG right now?

Yes. I've already answered this. He looked really Town in your argument.

 

This is a little frustrating to answer because I would like to point some stuff out to you but I can't without advertising to TG what I *KNOW* are scum habits of his that he doesn't know I know. You know?

 

I think if you looked at the most recent game you were in with him critically, you'd see it. One thing I *can* say, though, is that he went after you without feeling the thread for consensus. Do you recall TG putting himself out there on the line like that as scum? I think the fact he's a scumspect AT ALL is pretty telling. It means he's playing against the grain. I like it. I think that's a Town look for him. Best I can tell you at this point.

 

 

I think your either scum white knighting a townie, a scummate covering for a teammate who can't defend himself atm, or being way too over reliant on meta

 

Which is it?

[hazelkrs1]

TG hasn't responded to AJ's point about his comments about Lenlo's meta changing to fit the situation, and I wish he had been able to

 

Yates do you have an explanation for that?

[Andrej]

 

So I ask - is there a reason you don't want to be voting TG right now?

Yes. I've already answered this. He looked really Town in your argument.

 

This is a little frustrating to answer because I would like to point some stuff out to you but I can't without advertising to TG what I *KNOW* are scum habits of his that he doesn't know I know. You know?

 

I think if you looked at the most recent game you were in with him critically, you'd see it. One thing I *can* say, though, is that he went after you without feeling the thread for consensus. Do you recall TG putting himself out there on the line like that as scum? I think the fact he's a scumspect AT ALL is pretty telling. It means he's playing against the grain. I like it. I think that's a Town look for him. Best I can tell you at this point.

 

Yeah, I don't really agree on the consensus thing you guys keep mentiong irt scum!TG

 

He went at Despot HARD D2 in Woodstock after Despot was pretty much cleared from the Lenlo lynch.

[Yates]

Yates hard defending TG so much IS kinda making me want to lynch him more tbh

Me or TG? lol

[Andrej]

He has also attacked me HARD as scum. So again, the whole thing about him looking town for sticking to his guns isn't reliable imo. I also don't think he stuck to his read on me that well at all. Once I came back with counter punches he kinda melted into the background and has since been sheep voting on the thread's current target.

 

The Basterd game is a good example where he tried to used Despot's D1 read on me as the base of his 'case'. He came out of the gates trying to spin this narrative of how I was lock scum - sorta like he did this game.

 

I called it immediately.

[Yates]

I think your either scum white knighting a townie, a scummate covering for a teammate who can't defend himself atm, or being way too over reliant on meta

 

Which is it?

Why can't I be his mason buddy with a distancing vote, huh?

 

I'm not "too reliant on meta." I think you aren't reliant enough. You guys are making up a bunch of nonsense that is objectively null at best or complete confirmation bias. And it looks terrible. And you should feel bad about that.

[Andrej]

FTR not a lot of people are really reading TG as scum, so I think your point there is kinda weak.

 

Or at least, nobody really came away from his interaction with me thinking he was.

 

Except me.

 

And I've been pushing this for a while now.

[Arsis]

Yates, I'm sticking with you. Who we voting for?

[Yates]

TG hasn't responded to AJ's point about his comments about Lenlo's meta changing to fit the situation, and I wish he had been able to

 

Yates do you have an explanation for that?

Which post? Was it after he left? Or are you asking me to defend why somebody else may or may not have done or said something? Because I'm not going to be doing that. TG can defend himself when he gets back. I just have a strong Town read on him because I haven't seen scum motivation in anything he has done.

[hazelkrs1]

 

I think your either scum white knighting a townie, a scummate covering for a teammate who can't defend himself atm, or being way too over reliant on meta

 

Which is it?

Why can't I be his mason buddy with a distancing vote, huh?

 

I'm not "too reliant on meta." I think you aren't reliant enough. You guys are making up a bunch of nonsense that is objectively null at best or complete confirmation bias. And it looks terrible. And you should feel bad about that.

 

 

So are you claiming to be his mason?

 

If so that makes lynching TG such an absurdly obvious pick it's crazy. Either we get two scum for the price of one, or we get a confirmed townie and make it so the Seer doesn't have to out themselves viewing either one of you

[Andrej]

 

I think your either scum white knighting a townie, a scummate covering for a teammate who can't defend himself atm, or being way too over reliant on meta

 

Which is it?

 

Why can't I be his mason buddy with a distancing vote, huh?

 

I'm not "too reliant on meta." I think you aren't reliant enough. You guys are making up a bunch of nonsense that is objectively null at best or complete confirmation bias. And it looks terrible. And you should feel bad about that.

 

Not bad feelings from me.

 

TG is all but guaranteed scum in my mind. Literally the only thing that will make me change is if he flips Town.

 

I've also given you several personal examples of TG's meta and how I can see it fitting here in this game.

[hazelkrs1]

 

TG hasn't responded to AJ's point about his comments about Lenlo's meta changing to fit the situation, and I wish he had been able to

 

Yates do you have an explanation for that?

Which post? Was it after he left? Or are you asking me to defend why somebody else may or may not have done or said something? Because I'm not going to be doing that. TG can defend himself when he gets back. I just have a strong Town read on him because I haven't seen scum motivation in anything he has done.

 

 

I thought he was town until that post by AJ. If you can convince me TG would NEVER be scum here after that post I'll reconsider voting elsewhere

[Andrej]

No claiming D1

[Yates]

The Basterd game is a good example where he tried to used Despot's D1 read on me as the base of his 'case'. He came out of the gates trying to spin this narrative of how I was lock scum - sorta like he did this game.

 

I called it immediately.

Yeah but that didn't happen until Day 2. So you are sort of making my case for me. By Day 2 he had all of Day 1 and Night 1 chat in his pocket for feeling out the mood of the players.

[Andrej]

It doesn't change the fact that he isn't afraid to attack people as scum.

 

Make me see how he's absurdly townie here.

[hazelkrs1]

No claiming D1

 

Damn that's right. Sorry my b

[Yates]

So are you claiming to be his mason?

 

 

SCUM!!!

 

 

If so that makes lynching TG such an absurdly obvious pick it's crazy. Either we get two scum for the price of one, or we get a confirmed townie and make it so the Seer doesn't have to out themselves viewing either one of you

This is terrible for multiple reasons:

1. Who cares about the Seer? Weakest version of "cop" in the history of mafia games ever. Literally can not nail a guilty OR innocent in this game.

2. I don't think our mason pairs should claim. Like. Ever.

3. In your scenario where I *am* Masons with TG, if you lynch TG I would be confirmed Town and thus the obvious NK with no protection role. How is that PRO TOWN?

 

That was probably the scummiest post of the Day phase.

[Yates]

Actually, I'm doing this:

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Des[/v]

 

Hop aboard, Arsis!

[Yates]

Make me see how he's absurdly townie here.

If I have to I will. But please look at Des's last post and tell me why HE shouldn't be today's lynch. That was GOD awful.

[Arsis]

[unvote] [v]desp[/v]

[Yates]

It doesn't change the fact that he isn't afraid to attack people as scum.

And I agree with you. There are a number of tells he has from Day 2 going forward. What I'm saying is that he doesn't attack people as scum ON DAY 1. Is it *possible* he figured this out about himself on his own and changed his play knowing we would be in the game? I suppose. Is it *probable?* No. It isn't.