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[Basic]TRON Mafia Game-Day 4

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csarmi Spam Master

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Question #3: Since my vote on Kronos was during the RVS stage but still somehow a part of your case, do you know what the Random Vote Stage is? (also known as Joke Voting)

You pushed on an inactive. Hella early.

 

Also, there are no joke votes in mafia. Even though we pretend there are, we have a motivation behind it. That's when mafia like to vote each other so they can later say "hey, look i voted so and so." Even if only on a subconscious level, the first votes of a D1 mafia phase are not random.

To push this, what do you think of BFG's vote on Lenlo on p3? It was the first "RVS" vote which you don't believe in. By your logic she was pushing an inactive since Lenlo hadn't checked in yet. Care to comment?

 

I only ask so that maybe you can see how ridiculous you are yourself.

I even doubled up on that vote. Len had zero posts there.

 

#justsaying

RandA lThor Spam Master

RandA lThor

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Some more questions before I go get lunch.   Eat my floppy drive, you MCP wide-nostriled rainbow conehead!

 

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Looks like a digital drag queen. Anyways....

 

 

Darthe - I noticed some soft foses on him, but I think only one person ever voted him.

 

Vos - Vos and I had a little fight in the beginning, but after that, no one has really FoSed Vos that I know.  If he's mafia, he played it well, getting attention off of him before the lynch trains started, small as they were.  However, he didn't really seem to want to get rid of the attention, so he still looks somewhat good.

 

Clov - Clov really hasn't done as much to get out there as others have.  Seems town, but hasn't put out strong polarizing opinions, could be mafia.

 

Nynlia - I understand that they're both busy, but again, the fact that they haven't done anything outstanding in terms of opinions, where they have ones that stand out against the general game flow, is not related to the amount that they post.  Plus I don't get why a bunch of people meta clear them since I'm not really too good with meta clear.

So if we look at the people who haven't been getting a lot of attention and haven't risked getting a lot of scummy attention, then we are left with Darthe/Clov/Nynlia.

 

 

 

@Rand - you acknowledged your little tiff with Vos in the beginning.  Are you one to hold grudges? You voted me out the gate for a previous game derp.  You also soft him as town in you reads.  If you were scum, it would make sense to whack someone you felt was looking good. 

 

Also, between Darthe/Clov/Nynlia, who would you lynch today if you could based on what they have done so far and why?

 

 

 

 

I was hoping for more suspiciousness here, but no one else did anything.  Salami and Notbob's vote on Lenlo can be argued and dismissed as self-preservation, as NB even says as much.  I moved from TG to Lenlo because he was my #2 and I felt the most confident of the three mini-trains that he would flip scum. 

 

I'm curious as to why your vote remained squarely on Clov since it was clear that train was not leaving the station.

 

 

Why was it clear? There was loads of time till the deadline when I placed my vote on Clov. And I wasn't around when the deadline hit.

 

Clov is currently at the top of my scum list. I would have settled for DT too but since everyone is being so accommodating to newbies lately, I decided it wasn't worth the argument. There are a couple of other people that were wary about Clov, like TG. Was hoping they'd switch to him. Since there was no train with an abundance of votes, I was hopeful. 

 

 

 

@Nyn - If I read this correctly, your top three scum reads are Clov/DT/TG correct?  Which of those three would you lynch today based on your reads up to this point and why?

 

 

 

 

 

 

UnOfficial Vote Count-Day 1

 

BFcsarmi: 2 - Darthe, Vos

TG: 1 - Mynd

RandA lThor: 1 - Lenlo

Lenlo: 2 - Drunk Tank, RandA lThor

Tommy: 1 NotBob

Clov: 1 - NynLia

NotBob: 2 - Clov, Tommy

Darthe: 1 - BFcsarmi

 

Not Voting: 1 - TG

 

12 Alive, takes 7 to Lynch

Time to consolidate our trains.  TG not having a vote on anyone this close to deadline bothers me.

 

You work very hard. Thank you.

@Drunk Tank - if you could lynch anyone currently listed above besides Lenlo today, who would it be and why?

 

Oh shit. 2 hours til' deadline. Never seen such a spread out VC on day 1 2 hours before deadline. I guess it's one of the things with the hybrid hammer set-up.

 

Not really stoked about letting random.org decide who dies, but I'm not really sold on neither Lenlo nor NotBob.

 

Pretty comfortable leaving my vote where it is for now, especially since BFG is still MIA and Csarmi seems to be doing damage control more than scum hunting. 

I don't like this post at all.  I would expect this post from Lenlo but not Vos. He starts out with how shocked and panic'd he is about having only 2 hours until deadline.  He stresses how he doesn't want the lynch to go to random; however, he refuses to unvote BeefArmi because one is missing and the other "seems" to be doing damage control.   So basically, he doesn't wanna change his vote to keep the lynch going random because Lenlo and NotBob "might" be town, but Beef Armi "might" be scum. 

 

How can you be that sold on one player being scum enough to risk the random lynch? I don't like this and it stinks.

 

Actually, I wouldn't mind so much if random.org decided who went today based on how hard everyone has been to read in this game; however, we need the vote count info to go forward. 

 

 

 

[v]Darthe[/v]

 

Most confident there.

BeefArmi is either towniegood or bumped their collective head.   Why would one of the three possible random.org lynches place his/their vote on Darthe, bringing him to one vote?  He could have easily moved his vote to Lenlo or NotBob, which would have moved either one of them into the lead lynch. 

 

Unless, of course, the scum team is Lenlo/NotBob/BeefArmi.....but that would be too cray-cray, right?

 

 

 

Mynd - I like the thought process you're showing here with your analysis, though I think you're slightly misrepresenting what Vos said about Lenlo and NB.  He said that he's not sold on either of them - I think this gives a higher level of trust than 'they "might" be town'.  I want to draw extra attention to the fact that Vos was essentially letting it go random, even though the people that it would be randed between were the two he wasn't willing to lynch. 

 

 

 

@Clov - Why do you believe the mafia chose Vos?  Do you think Vos keeping his vote on BeefArmi had anything to do with it?

 

Also, what are your thoughts on both Rand and Nynlia placing you at the top of their mafia scum list?

No, don't hold grudges, when it comes to mafia I try to throw away any biases.  Plus after that tiff, we started agreeing with each other more and I townread him, and I think he townread me at some point too.  Voting you was a joke grudge from last game, when the game picks up I drop all of that.  Case in point, you're my biggest townread.

 

Yeah it would, but I wasn't the only one who townread Vos, and I had bigger townreads than Vos, like you or Tommy.

 

I want to see Darthe post today first, Nynlia's nonchalance to TG's "attack" on her seems town to me, so that leaves Clov for now, but that's not finalized yet.  Plus TG's case makes me want to go back to my read on him, so we'll see what happens.

csarmi Spam Master

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@Rand - I was replying to Vos there. Read it in context. And yes you actually been active before then on n1. Unlike a lot of others.

RandA lThor Spam Master

RandA lThor

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@Rand - I was replying to Vos there. Read it in context. And yes you actually been active before then on n1. Unlike a lot of others.

wait but wasn't vos asking you why I was scummy because of that post?

Myndrunner Grand Master

Myndrunner

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I'll save us all the time and eye-strain by saying this.

 

TG pinged hard with some early questionable posts, which I've already hashed out a few times.  So I beat the grass and he hissed.  His out the gate vote on me reeks of desperation and paranoia.  "You are scum and I am town because you were wrong about two other players being town so.....scum!"

 

For the record, I only said that this has been the scummiest I've seen Vos play but I never put him in the Scum Salad with Lenlo and TG.

csarmi Spam Master

csarmi

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I can clarify further but I'm pretty sure its clear what I mean.

 

Posting at night is protown.

Waiting for day isn't.

RandA lThor Spam Master

RandA lThor

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And listed two options

 

K I'm really confused right now.  I made a post saying that I'm waiting for night end for more info.

 

You said that was scummy.

 

Vos said why do you think that's scummy.

 

You posted 2 things, and said I wasn't rolefishing.

 

Those 2 things were supposed to be against me right?

RandA lThor Spam Master

RandA lThor

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He asked if I was voting you for inactivity at night or role fishing.

And you said inactivity right?

Myndrunner Grand Master

Myndrunner

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Ya know, I missed this the first time around.  This reeks of scum.  Not because he's taking TG's side so much as the "I have no idea of alignment" which was unnecessary.   Also, calling it fisticuffs when it hardly had been anything but a small interaction compared to what has already transpired in this thread.

Also, FTR...loving the TG and Mynd fisticuffs...have no idea on any alignment but think TG is winning the debate.

Its as if he already knew this "fight" was going to take place this morning.  Like it was planned.  In the Mafia QT.

csarmi Spam Master

csarmi

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He asked if I was voting you for inactivity at night or role fishing.

And you said inactivity right?

Of the two. I assumed he meant it the same way I did "passively inactively waiting for day".

Myndrunner Grand Master

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[v]Mynd[/v]

 

I've moved from you just trolling me to you being scum.  Your reads so far in regards to Lenlo and Vos have been either wrong or scum motivated.  Your trolling of me is off the charts and I know I'm town.  So you're 0/3 on reads so far which makes you >rand to be scum.

 

Other scum candidates are Rand based of Vos death and both Tommy and DT from yesterday.

 

You have two possible lynch candidates based on Vos's death.  Interesting. 

csarmi Spam Master

csarmi

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I think the crux of thi lies somewhere between the meanings of inactive/passive/not active/not taking action.

 

Anyway really off now.

RandA lThor Spam Master

RandA lThor

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Ya know, I missed this the first time around.  This reeks of scum.  Not because he's taking TG's side so much as the "I have no idea of alignment" which was unnecessary.   Also, calling it fisticuffs when it hardly had been anything but a small interaction compared to what has already transpired in this thread.

Also, FTR...loving the TG and Mynd fisticuffs...have no idea on any alignment but think TG is winning the debate.

Its as if he already knew this "fight" was going to take place this morning.  Like it was planned.  In the Mafia QT.

*takes tinfoil hat off of Mynd* Here much better, now you make sense. :P

 

 

 

He asked if I was voting you for inactivity at night or role fishing.

And you said inactivity right?

Of the two. I assumed he meant it the same way I did "passively inactively waiting for day".

 

Right.  And I responded to that saying that I wasn't inactive during the night, and waiting after being active during night isn't scummy.  Which makes sense.  I think.

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And yet my cop role PM says that I get true results and it's a basic game.  

 

Bye nyn.

 

Fine by me. Town loses a VT to catch a scum. Worth it.

RandA lThor Spam Master

RandA lThor

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Um yeah, doubting there being a miller in a basic game, and if we're wrong thats a bad gambit for scum. Its not lylo.

 

[v]Nyn[/v]

 

Look at that, maybe I should have had a dream. :P

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Official VC

 

Mynd (1) - TG
TG (1) - Mynd
Darthe (2) - NB, BFarmi
Nyn (2) - Darthe, RandA lThor
 
Not Voting(4/10)-Drunk Tank, Tommy, Clov, Nynlia
 
10 Alive, takes 6 to Lynch
 
 

 

 

 

 

Unofficial VC

 

Mynd (1) - TG
TG (1) - Mynd
Darthe (2) - NB, BFarmi
 
Not Voting(6/10)-Darthe, Drunk Tank, Tommy, RandA lThor, Clov, Nynlia
 
10 Alive, takes 6 to Lynch
 

 

Stop taking my job.

 

 

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