[Basic]TRON Mafia Game-Day 4

[Tommyrod]

 

 

What would have been said had I NOT included myself??

 

Nothing would have been said.  Notice nobody else who has given "top 3" reads has included themselves.

 

 

Noted.

 

How many have given a top three read??

 

Again, I can't understand your perspective. Rather than moving onto an avenue of productive discussion, like, say, your thoughts on the focal points of the thread so far like Clov or Rand, or even discussing those discussing you, you're just asking useless questions that you should ALREADY know the answer to if you've been paying attention and trying to get into the mindsets of others. One of those players who has given multiple reads is Vos -- he's also called you scum. I've called you scum. Shouldn't that interest you at least a little?

[Drunk Tank]

 

 

 

 

Top 3 town that doesn't include yourself?

What would have been said had I NOT included myself??

 

 

"Hey look, this guy doesn't need to specifically state he's town to convince us"?

 

 

Everyone's a liar until proven otherwise.

[Drunk Tank]

Avenue of Productive Discussion.

 

Day One will almost always result in the lynching of a townie simply because of odds (we all know this). My focus thus far has not been so much on the discussion between Clov, Vos, and RandA. I've been more watching those lurking.

 

Scum will participate early on just enough and let town lynch town. I have a tendency/prefer to lynch lurkers.

[RandA lThor]

My reply to TGlems post:

 

 

 

 

For as long as I've played on DM I've never heard this so called rule. 

 

I've seen it mentioned multiple times as an unwritten type of thing.  I'm sure somebody else can attest.

 

Gonna start this all with a contradiction: I agree - but I still think your eagerness is pinging. Doesn't really make sense, but eh, thats what I feel.

 

Vos is #LOCKTOWN.  I'm pushing it because I know I'm town and I don't trust anyone else to push it.  They might have an agenda.  Any decent townie should be suspicious of another player getting out in front while at the same time understanding the want to push scumhunting.

 

Well at least I can begin the exception to the rule.  A vote on someone because of one scummy post is a scummy vote, especially when you specifically said earlier that you've barely played with me and need to get to know my playstyle, is a scummy vote.  Largest scum read is now Vos.

 

Rand, what would your reaction have been if Vos found you to be incredibly scummy but didn't vote you?  I find your defense to be a narrative in which Vos can't win nomatter what he does.

 

But that wasn't my only point.  My main point which no one seems to be responding to here is that you voted me based off one post.  The things I've said after that are not related to your vote in the first place.  The fact that you voted me based off one post that you thought was scummy but was obviously meant to be a joke is in itself scummy.

 

And was my reaction to one vote large? Yes, but thats because I'm not only defending myself, but I'm also fosing Vos at the same time.  Thats why it looks bigger than it actually is.

 

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FOSes or putting someone on a scum list are characteristic of a scummy post.  But posting that you're going to sit in a corner with a gif shouldn't warrant a vote.  Thats the difference between mafia-like posts, which can vary on perspective, and posts that are intended to change game flow.

 

And what you just said is directly related to meta.  There are some playstyles that some people find scummy when they play with them.  I for example found Mynd's beat the grass technique scummy the first time I played him.  To me, it was him, acting like mafia.  But that's just how he played.  That has so much to do with meta.

 

I disagree completely on what you refer to as a "scummy post."  And the argument you are applying about yourself applies to Vos also.  Maybe it is Vos' playstyle to always vote "popcorn" posts nomatter what.  Either way, like I said above, it reads as narrative.

 

If Vos had just FoSed me, I would have just rolled with it.  In my experience though, maf try to get one of the earlier serious votes, because those can sometimes pile on fast if no one else has good reads.  The fact that Vos used a single post to vote me makes me thing that he is trying the above.

 

Also the scummy post argument and the vote are separate arguments.  The only reason I see for someone to vote someone based off a post is a "beat the grass, startle the snakes" technique like what Mynd uses, and from what I've seen from Vos so far, he doesn't seem like that kind of player.  To make myself more clear I have two main arguments.

 

1. The opinion of a post always being scummy is an opinion that is based on a point of view.  This opinion can easily be changed if you play with a different person.

 

2. Voting someone based on a single post, which wasn't a blatant scum slip, seems to me like scum trying to get the bw rolling.

 

 

 

 

My reply to Clov's post:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Rand -

 

 

Been thinking about Rand's rage vote on me, apparently using a situation from another game as a reason. 

 

At first, I chose not to respond to it and fight the urge to OMGUS vote.

 

Then, I ate an orange.  Tasted good, but then my hands were sticky.  And not stick in the fun way.

 

Washed my hands.  Dried them.   Thought about the good ole days. 

 

But then that nagging suspicion crept back into my noggin. 

 

Why would Rand need to go to such lengths to justify his vote in this game?  Sure, day 1 randomness is random but.....he placed his vote on a player he felt no one would question his motives on.  Why....that would require a preset guilty conscience BEFORE he posted. 

 

So.....@Rand.  Why the need to OVER justify your reason for voting me? 

For people who weren't in the game, its a slight pet peeve when people vote someone like that without explanation, I wasn't in the game so I hound them on it, and then I get called out for it.

 

 

Which game are you talking about?

In this case, I'm talking about games in general, basically making references to games which not all players were in, but not saying that its a reference.  But the game that I specifically made a reference to was Hoof's game.

 

 

Then I really have no idea what you're trying to say. 

 

Basically I don't like it when people vote someone because of a past game and don't say it was supposed to be because of a past game.  Because later I case them on it, and they said oh it was a reference stop being so serious, and then I get FoSed because of that.  It happened to me, don't remember if it was here or in EpicMafia.

 

 

 

Why so anxious for a lynch, TG?

 

TG, you are rapidly switching between serious and goofy and I ding understand the transitions. What's up? You on crack?

 

Another game with 100 pages of D1 spam posts will be soul destroying for me, so I'd rather get this game kick started and at least push some gameplay. 

 

 

Gonna start this all with a contradiction: I agree - but I still think your eagerness is pinging. Doesn't really make sense, but eh, thats what I feel. 

 

 

I'm gonna sit in my corner and observe.

 

 

best tr is actually Mynd right now, so [unvote]

 

Without fail, EVERY time someone has made a point out of "sitting back watching" D1 they've flipped scum. 

 

I like Clov already.

 

Me too. 

 

Beside that I don't see alot to comment on. Not a big fan of Drunk coming off with a random list, including himself in the top three and then going all "I don't need your pity" when given a free pass D1. 

 

Don't like how Csarmi/BFG dropped off the radar either, after I mentioned them overplaying it. Where'y'at? 

 

Top 3 for town: Tommy, Mynd, Clov

Top 3 for scum: Drunk, BFCsarmi, Rand

 

[v]Rand[/v]

 

Well at least I can begin the exception to the rule.  A vote on someone because of one scummy post is a scummy vote, especially when you specifically said earlier that you've barely played with me and need to get to know my playstyle, is a scummy vote.  Largest scum read is now Vos.

 

 

 

 

I c wut u did thar.

 

 

 

And it was a vote based off of the types of posts mafia make.  If I, as town, make posts that seem like mafia (important: there is a difference between posts that seem like mafia and posts made to advance the goal of mafia), then that is part of my meta that you don't know already.

 

 

Well, yeah, sure... but come on here. You said something I read as überscummy. Trying to half-vague meta-defend yourself with "Well, but you don't know if I say superscummy things as town!" just won't float. 

 

Secondly, you are flailing hard at a single vote at page 12. Makes me feel real good about where I placed my vote. 

 

But that wasn't my only point.  My main point which no one seems to be responding to here is that you voted me based off one post.  The things I've said after that are not related to your vote in the first place.  The fact that you voted me based off one post that you thought was scummy but was obviously meant to be a joke is in itself scummy.

 

And was my reaction to one vote large? Yes, but thats because I'm not only defending myself, but I'm also fosing Vos at the same time.  Thats why it looks bigger than it actually is.

 

 

 

 

 

Well at least I can begin the exception to the rule.  A vote on someone because of one scummy post is a scummy vote, especially when you specifically said earlier that you've barely played with me and need to get to know my playstyle, is a scummy vote.  Largest scum read is now Vos.

 

 

Pfft, that's just an OMGUSFOS and your argument is a kinder-garden-argument. "Everyone who says someone is stupid is stupid". 

 

And the fact that I don't know your meta has nothing to do with it, it wasn't a meta vote.

 

Lol that wasn't at all the argument that you said it was.

 

I said that voting someone based off one singular scummy post (unless its a slip of course) is trying to draw reads out of way too little info.

 

And it was a vote based off of the types of posts mafia make.  If I, as town, make posts that seem like mafia (important: there is a difference between posts that seem like mafia and posts made to advance the goal of mafia), then that is part of my meta that you don't know already.

 

 

I believe the bolded is (essentially) trying to draw a distinction between "being scummy" and actually being scum.  You're absolutely right that there is a difference.  I don't see how that distinction is relevant to his vote though.  It's almost like you're conceding that the post he voted you for WAS a mafia-ish post but you're upset that he's voting you for it.  If he's town, isn't that EXACTLY what he ought to be doing at this point?

 

I'm also not sure how it relates to your meta.  If you're acting like mafia, you're acting like mafia.

 

FOSes or putting someone on a scum list are characteristic of a scummy post.  But posting that you're going to sit in a corner with a gif shouldn't warrant a vote.  Thats the difference between mafia-like posts, which can vary on perspective, and posts that are intended to change game flow.

 

And what you just said is directly related to meta.  There are some playstyles that some people find scummy when they play with them.  I for example found Mynd's beat the grass technique scummy the first time I played him.  To me, it was him, acting like mafia.  But that's just how he played.  That has so much to do with meta.

 

 

But that's precisely what I mean - if you find a certain playing/posting style scummy, the town thing to do is push attention in that direction.  Therefore, you SHOULD be voting and pushing the people playing to that style. In this case, obviously Vos thinks people who make posts like yours are likely to be scum...regardless of how YOU play, I don't see why he wouldn't be inclined to push you at this stage.

 

 

 

Top 3 town that doesn't include yourself?

What would have been said had I NOT included myself??

 

 

"Hey look, this guy doesn't need to specifically state he's town to convince us"?

 

I agree to a point.  Once again, its the vote that made me think Vos was scummy.  If I had even 2 or more posts that were somewhat scummy, then it would make sense.  However, Vos went from pretty much no read on me at all, and then because of 1 post, I was her top scum read.

 

Once again, scum try to find a scummy thing a town did to latch onto, and start a bw on it.  This works on d1 a lot, and is more often than not how d1 gets started.  A player posts something slightly scummy, someone reacts to it, player defends, one of the two who either reacted or defended is seen as scummy by the town, town slowly starts piling votes, and eventually when deadline looms and there is little info due to d1, town lynches that person.  Its in scums interest to get right in the middle of this process and control it.

 

 

 

Also, on the whole DrunkTank situation right now, I'm placing a townread on him, because scum don't usually place themselves in their townreads list.  It draws unneeded attention to them, and they know that it most likely won't convince anyone they're town.  Its kind of a lazy town move I'd say.

 

That being said, his insistence on focusing on his situation is a little weird, but I do understand his point about lurkers.  The situation with me and others however, still should attract a comment or an opinion though.

[RandA lThor]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Rand -

 

 

Been thinking about Rand's rage vote on me, apparently using a situation from another game as a reason. 

 

At first, I chose not to respond to it and fight the urge to OMGUS vote.

 

Then, I ate an orange.  Tasted good, but then my hands were sticky.  And not stick in the fun way.

 

Washed my hands.  Dried them.   Thought about the good ole days. 

 

But then that nagging suspicion crept back into my noggin. 

 

Why would Rand need to go to such lengths to justify his vote in this game?  Sure, day 1 randomness is random but.....he placed his vote on a player he felt no one would question his motives on.  Why....that would require a preset guilty conscience BEFORE he posted. 

 

So.....@Rand.  Why the need to OVER justify your reason for voting me? 

For people who weren't in the game, its a slight pet peeve when people vote someone like that without explanation, I wasn't in the game so I hound them on it, and then I get called out for it.

 

 

Which game are you talking about?

In this case, I'm talking about games in general, basically making references to games which not all players were in, but not saying that its a reference.  But the game that I specifically made a reference to was Hoof's game.

 

 

Then I really have no idea what you're trying to say. 

 

Basically I don't like it when people vote someone because of a past game and don't say it was supposed to be because of a past game.  Because later I case them on it, and they said oh it was a reference stop being so serious, and then I get FoSed because of that.  It happened to me, don't remember if it was here or in EpicMafia.

 

 

 

Why so anxious for a lynch, TG?

 

TG, you are rapidly switching between serious and goofy and I ding understand the transitions. What's up? You on crack?

 

Another game with 100 pages of D1 spam posts will be soul destroying for me, so I'd rather get this game kick started and at least push some gameplay. 

 

 

Gonna start this all with a contradiction: I agree - but I still think your eagerness is pinging. Doesn't really make sense, but eh, thats what I feel. 

 

 

I'm gonna sit in my corner and observe.

 

 

best tr is actually Mynd right now, so [unvote]

 

Without fail, EVERY time someone has made a point out of "sitting back watching" D1 they've flipped scum. 

 

I like Clov already.

 

Me too. 

 

Beside that I don't see alot to comment on. Not a big fan of Drunk coming off with a random list, including himself in the top three and then going all "I don't need your pity" when given a free pass D1. 

 

Don't like how Csarmi/BFG dropped off the radar either, after I mentioned them overplaying it. Where'y'at? 

 

Top 3 for town: Tommy, Mynd, Clov

Top 3 for scum: Drunk, BFCsarmi, Rand

 

[v]Rand[/v]

 

Well at least I can begin the exception to the rule.    A vote on someone because of one scummy post is a scummy vote, especially when you specifically said earlier that you've barely played with me and need to get to know my playstyle, is a scummy vote.  Largest scum read is now Vos.

 

 

 

 

I c wut u did thar.

 

 

 

And it was a vote based off of the types of posts mafia make.  If I, as town, make posts that seem like mafia (important: there is a difference between posts that seem like mafia and posts made to advance the goal of mafia), then that is part of my meta that you don't know already.

 

 

Well, yeah, sure... but come on here. You said something I read as überscummy. Trying to half-vague meta-defend yourself with "Well, but you don't know if I say superscummy things as town!" just won't float. 

 

Secondly, you are flailing hard at a single vote at page 12. Makes me feel real good about where I placed my vote. 

 

But that wasn't my only point.  My main point which no one seems to be responding to here is that you voted me based off one post.  The things I've said after that are not related to your vote in the first place.  The fact that you voted me based off one post that you thought was scummy but was obviously meant to be a joke is in itself scummy.

 

And was my reaction to one vote large? Yes, but thats because I'm not only defending myself, but I'm also fosing Vos at the same time.  Thats why it looks bigger than it actually is.

 

 

 

 

 

Well at least I can begin the exception to the rule.    A vote on someone because of one scummy post is a scummy vote, especially when you specifically said earlier that you've barely played with me and need to get to know my playstyle, is a scummy vote.  Largest scum read is now Vos.

 

 

Pfft, that's just an OMGUSFOS and your argument is a kinder-garden-argument. "Everyone who says someone is stupid is stupid". 

 

And the fact that I don't know your meta has nothing to do with it, it wasn't a meta vote.

 

Lol that wasn't at all the argument that you said it was.

 

I said that voting someone based off one singular scummy post (unless its a slip of course) is trying to draw reads out of way too little info.

 

And it was a vote based off of the types of posts mafia make.  If I, as town, make posts that seem like mafia (important: there is a difference between posts that seem like mafia and posts made to advance the goal of mafia), then that is part of my meta that you don't know already.

 

 

I believe the bolded is (essentially) trying to draw a distinction between "being scummy" and actually being scum.  You're absolutely right that there is a difference.  I don't see how that distinction is relevant to his vote though.  It's almost like you're conceding that the post he voted you for WAS a mafia-ish post but you're upset that he's voting you for it.  If he's town, isn't that EXACTLY what he ought to be doing at this point?

 

I'm also not sure how it relates to your meta.  If you're acting like mafia, you're acting like mafia.

 

FOSes or putting someone on a scum list are characteristic of a scummy post.  But posting that you're going to sit in a corner with a gif shouldn't warrant a vote.  Thats the difference between mafia-like posts, which can vary on perspective, and posts that are intended to change game flow.

 

And what you just said is directly related to meta.  There are some playstyles that some people find scummy when they play with them.  I for example found Mynd's beat the grass technique scummy the first time I played him.  To me, it was him, acting like mafia.  But that's just how he played.  That has so much to do with meta.

 

 

But that's precisely what I mean - if you find a certain playing/posting style scummy, the town thing to do is push attention in that direction.  Therefore, you SHOULD be voting and pushing the people playing to that style. In this case, obviously Vos thinks people who make posts like yours are likely to be scum...regardless of how YOU play, I don't see why he wouldn't be inclined to push you at this stage.

 

 

 

Top 3 town that doesn't include yourself?

What would have been said had I NOT included myself??

 

 

"Hey look, this guy doesn't need to specifically state he's town to convince us"?

 

 

You make a lot of good points, Clov!

 

lol. much troll Mynd.

 

 

 

Lol would have put this in the last post, but DM blocked me for having too many quotes in one post. :P

 

 

[csarmi]

Avenue of Productive Discussion.

 

Day One will almost always result in the lynching of a townie simply because of odds (we all know this). My focus thus far has not been so much on the discussion between Clov, Vos, and RandA. I've been more watching those lurking.

 

Scum will participate early on just enough and let town lynch town. I have a tendency/prefer to lynch lurkers.

 

This is DM. We tend to lynch scum on D1 around here.

 

So what do you think of those who didn't participate much so far?

[RandA lThor]

Lol the quote i had above is crazy on mobile. One of the quotes has its text displayed one letter per line. :P

[Drunk Tank]

 

Avenue of Productive Discussion.

 

Day One will almost always result in the lynching of a townie simply because of odds (we all know this). My focus thus far has not been so much on the discussion between Clov, Vos, and RandA. I've been more watching those lurking.

 

Scum will participate early on just enough and let town lynch town. I have a tendency/prefer to lynch lurkers.

 

This is DM. We tend to lynch scum on D1 around here.

 

So what do you think of those who didn't participate much so far?

 

I'm rereading at the moment.

 

But I will place my vote on either Lenlo or Darthe.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

 

Avenue of Productive Discussion.

 

Day One will almost always result in the lynching of a townie simply because of odds (we all know this). My focus thus far has not been so much on the discussion between Clov, Vos, and RandA. I've been more watching those lurking.

 

Scum will participate early on just enough and let town lynch town. I have a tendency/prefer to lynch lurkers.

 

This is DM. We tend to lynch scum on D1 around here.

 

So what do you think of those who didn't participate much so far?

 

I'm rereading at the moment.

 

But I will place my vote on either Lenlo or Darthe.

 

 

If you could advance the case against Darthe and say...get him to L-1...I'd hammer.

[Drunk Tank]

Darthe seems to have not committed to the game just yet.

 

On the other hand Lenlo interacts with several different posts/players with only fluffy comments. I see more potential here. 

 

[v]Lenlo[/v]

[Myndrunner]

 

 

 

 

 

Top 3 town that doesn't include yourself?

What would have been said had I NOT included myself??

 

 

"Hey look, this guy doesn't need to specifically state he's town to convince us"?

 

 

Everyone's a liar until proven otherwise.

 

I like this philosophy.  Of course, it is our duty as townies to PROVE otherwise. Or at least, get as close to proven otherwise as possible.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Rand -

 

 

Been thinking about Rand's rage vote on me, apparently using a situation from another game as a reason. 

 

At first, I chose not to respond to it and fight the urge to OMGUS vote.

 

Then, I ate an orange.  Tasted good, but then my hands were sticky.  And not stick in the fun way.

 

Washed my hands.  Dried them.   Thought about the good ole days. 

 

But then that nagging suspicion crept back into my noggin. 

 

Why would Rand need to go to such lengths to justify his vote in this game?  Sure, day 1 randomness is random but.....he placed his vote on a player he felt no one would question his motives on.  Why....that would require a preset guilty conscience BEFORE he posted. 

 

So.....@Rand.  Why the need to OVER justify your reason for voting me? 

For people who weren't in the game, its a slight pet peeve when people vote someone like that without explanation, I wasn't in the game so I hound them on it, and then I get called out for it.

 

 

Which game are you talking about?

In this case, I'm talking about games in general, basically making references to games which not all players were in, but not saying that its a reference.  But the game that I specifically made a reference to was Hoof's game.

 

 

Then I really have no idea what you're trying to say. 

 

Basically I don't like it when people vote someone because of a past game and don't say it was supposed to be because of a past game.  Because later I case them on it, and they said oh it was a reference stop being so serious, and then I get FoSed because of that.  It happened to me, don't remember if it was here or in EpicMafia.

 

 

 

Why so anxious for a lynch, TG?

 

TG, you are rapidly switching between serious and goofy and I ding understand the transitions. What's up? You on crack?

 

Another game with 100 pages of D1 spam posts will be soul destroying for me, so I'd rather get this game kick started and at least push some gameplay. 

 

 

Gonna start this all with a contradiction: I agree - but I still think your eagerness is pinging. Doesn't really make sense, but eh, thats what I feel. 

 

 

I'm gonna sit in my corner and observe.

 

 

best tr is actually Mynd right now, so [unvote]

 

Without fail, EVERY time someone has made a point out of "sitting back watching" D1 they've flipped scum. 

 

I like Clov already.

 

Me too. 

 

Beside that I don't see alot to comment on. Not a big fan of Drunk coming off with a random list, including himself in the top three and then going all "I don't need your pity" when given a free pass D1. 

 

Don't like how Csarmi/BFG dropped off the radar either, after I mentioned them overplaying it. Where'y'at? 

 

Top 3 for town: Tommy, Mynd, Clov

Top 3 for scum: Drunk, BFCsarmi, Rand

 

[v]Rand[/v]

 

Well at least I can begin the exception to the rule.    A vote on someone because of one scummy post is a scummy vote, especially when you specifically said earlier that you've barely played with me and need to get to know my playstyle, is a scummy vote.  Largest scum read is now Vos.

 

 

 

 

I c wut u did thar.

 

 

 

And it was a vote based off of the types of posts mafia make.  If I, as town, make posts that seem like mafia (important: there is a difference between posts that seem like mafia and posts made to advance the goal of mafia), then that is part of my meta that you don't know already.

 

 

Well, yeah, sure... but come on here. You said something I read as überscummy. Trying to half-vague meta-defend yourself with "Well, but you don't know if I say superscummy things as town!" just won't float. 

 

Secondly, you are flailing hard at a single vote at page 12. Makes me feel real good about where I placed my vote. 

 

But that wasn't my only point.  My main point which no one seems to be responding to here is that you voted me based off one post.  The things I've said after that are not related to your vote in the first place.  The fact that you voted me based off one post that you thought was scummy but was obviously meant to be a joke is in itself scummy.

 

And was my reaction to one vote large? Yes, but thats because I'm not only defending myself, but I'm also fosing Vos at the same time.  Thats why it looks bigger than it actually is.

 

 

 

 

 

Well at least I can begin the exception to the rule.    A vote on someone because of one scummy post is a scummy vote, especially when you specifically said earlier that you've barely played with me and need to get to know my playstyle, is a scummy vote.  Largest scum read is now Vos.

 

 

Pfft, that's just an OMGUSFOS and your argument is a kinder-garden-argument. "Everyone who says someone is stupid is stupid". 

 

And the fact that I don't know your meta has nothing to do with it, it wasn't a meta vote.

 

Lol that wasn't at all the argument that you said it was.

 

I said that voting someone based off one singular scummy post (unless its a slip of course) is trying to draw reads out of way too little info.

 

And it was a vote based off of the types of posts mafia make.  If I, as town, make posts that seem like mafia (important: there is a difference between posts that seem like mafia and posts made to advance the goal of mafia), then that is part of my meta that you don't know already.

 

 

I believe the bolded is (essentially) trying to draw a distinction between "being scummy" and actually being scum.  You're absolutely right that there is a difference.  I don't see how that distinction is relevant to his vote though.  It's almost like you're conceding that the post he voted you for WAS a mafia-ish post but you're upset that he's voting you for it.  If he's town, isn't that EXACTLY what he ought to be doing at this point?

 

I'm also not sure how it relates to your meta.  If you're acting like mafia, you're acting like mafia.

 

FOSes or putting someone on a scum list are characteristic of a scummy post.  But posting that you're going to sit in a corner with a gif shouldn't warrant a vote.  Thats the difference between mafia-like posts, which can vary on perspective, and posts that are intended to change game flow.

 

And what you just said is directly related to meta.  There are some playstyles that some people find scummy when they play with them.  I for example found Mynd's beat the grass technique scummy the first time I played him.  To me, it was him, acting like mafia.  But that's just how he played.  That has so much to do with meta.

 

 

But that's precisely what I mean - if you find a certain playing/posting style scummy, the town thing to do is push attention in that direction.  Therefore, you SHOULD be voting and pushing the people playing to that style. In this case, obviously Vos thinks people who make posts like yours are likely to be scum...regardless of how YOU play, I don't see why he wouldn't be inclined to push you at this stage.

 

 

 

Top 3 town that doesn't include yourself?

What would have been said had I NOT included myself??

 

 

"Hey look, this guy doesn't need to specifically state he's town to convince us"?

 

 

You make a lot of good points, Clov!

 

lol. much troll Mynd.

 

 

 

Lol would have put this in the last post, but DM blocked me for having too many quotes in one post. :P

 

 

 

Indeed.

 

Darthe seems to have not committed to the game just yet.

 

On the other hand Lenlo interacts with several different posts/players with only fluffy comments. I see more potential here. 

 

[v]Lenlo[/v]

Good post.  Too bad that is kinda how Lenlo is when he is town as well, which makes him harder to read than one would think.  No worries, he'll likely get lynched/frozen/ killed/jailed/silenced by D3 anyway. 

 

Coming soon (after coffee brews) YE olde list...including a personalized casing of one particular player.  What scumminess did Myndrunner uncover?  You wouldn't guess in your WILDEST DREAMS!! 

 

....ok, bad analogy.

[Myndrunner]

Forgot to include this...

 

 

 

TG is teh mafia!

 

 

[Tommyrod]

PLEASE STOP QUOTING THOSE HUGS WOTS. I CAN'T READ THEM ON MY PHONE. Spoiler them at least.

 

 

My reply to TGlems post:

 

 

 

 

For as long as I've played on DM I've never heard this so called rule. 

 

I've seen it mentioned multiple times as an unwritten type of thing.  I'm sure somebody else can attest.

 

Gonna start this all with a contradiction: I agree - but I still think your eagerness is pinging. Doesn't really make sense, but eh, thats what I feel.

 

Vos is #LOCKTOWN.  I'm pushing it because I know I'm town and I don't trust anyone else to push it.  They might have an agenda.  Any decent townie should be suspicious of another player getting out in front while at the same time understanding the want to push scumhunting.

 

Well at least I can begin the exception to the rule.  A vote on someone because of one scummy post is a scummy vote, especially when you specifically said earlier that you've barely played with me and need to get to know my playstyle, is a scummy vote.  Largest scum read is now Vos.

 

Rand, what would your reaction have been if Vos found you to be incredibly scummy but didn't vote you?  I find your defense to be a narrative in which Vos can't win nomatter what he does.

 

But that wasn't my only point.  My main point which no one seems to be responding to here is that you voted me based off one post.  The things I've said after that are not related to your vote in the first place.  The fact that you voted me based off one post that you thought was scummy but was obviously meant to be a joke is in itself scummy.

 

And was my reaction to one vote large? Yes, but thats because I'm not only defending myself, but I'm also fosing Vos at the same time.  Thats why it looks bigger than it actually is.

 

[DELETED POSTS]

 

FOSes or putting someone on a scum list are characteristic of a scummy post.  But posting that you're going to sit in a corner with a gif shouldn't warrant a vote.  Thats the difference between mafia-like posts, which can vary on perspective, and posts that are intended to change game flow.

 

And what you just said is directly related to meta.  There are some playstyles that some people find scummy when they play with them.  I for example found Mynd's beat the grass technique scummy the first time I played him.  To me, it was him, acting like mafia.  But that's just how he played.  That has so much to do with meta.

 

I disagree completely on what you refer to as a "scummy post."  And the argument you are applying about yourself applies to Vos also.  Maybe it is Vos' playstyle to always vote "popcorn" posts nomatter what.  Either way, like I said above, it reads as narrative.

 

If Vos had just FoSed me, I would have just rolled with it.  In my experience though, maf try to get one of the earlier serious votes, because those can sometimes pile on fast if no one else has good reads.  The fact that Vos used a single post to vote me makes me thing that he is trying the above.

 

Also the scummy post argument and the vote are separate arguments.  The only reason I see for someone to vote someone based off a post is a "beat the grass, startle the snakes" technique like what Mynd uses, and from what I've seen from Vos so far, he doesn't seem like that kind of player.  To make myself more clear I have two main arguments.

 

1. The opinion of a post always being scummy is an opinion that is based on a point of view.  This opinion can easily be changed if you play with a different person.

 

2. Voting someone based on a single post, which wasn't a blatant scum slip, seems to me like scum trying to get the bw rolling.

 

 

 

 

My reply to Clov's post:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Rand -

 

 

Been thinking about Rand's rage vote on me, apparently using a situation from another game as a reason. 

 

At first, I chose not to respond to it and fight the urge to OMGUS vote.

 

Then, I ate an orange.  Tasted good, but then my hands were sticky.  And not stick in the fun way.

 

Washed my hands.  Dried them.   Thought about the good ole days. 

 

But then that nagging suspicion crept back into my noggin. 

 

Why would Rand need to go to such lengths to justify his vote in this game?  Sure, day 1 randomness is random but.....he placed his vote on a player he felt no one would question his motives on.  Why....that would require a preset guilty conscience BEFORE he posted. 

 

So.....@Rand.  Why the need to OVER justify your reason for voting me? 

For people who weren't in the game, its a slight pet peeve when people vote someone like that without explanation, I wasn't in the game so I hound them on it, and then I get called out for it.

 

 

Which game are you talking about?

In this case, I'm talking about games in general, basically making references to games which not all players were in, but not saying that its a reference.  But the game that I specifically made a reference to was Hoof's game.

 

 

Then I really have no idea what you're trying to say. 

 

Basically I don't like it when people vote someone because of a past game and don't say it was supposed to be because of a past game.  Because later I case them on it, and they said oh it was a reference stop being so serious, and then I get FoSed because of that.  It happened to me, don't remember if it was here or in EpicMafia.

 

 

 

Why so anxious for a lynch, TG?

 

TG, you are rapidly switching between serious and goofy and I ding understand the transitions. What's up? You on crack?

 

Another game with 100 pages of D1 spam posts will be soul destroying for me, so I'd rather get this game kick started and at least push some gameplay. 

 

 

Gonna start this all with a contradiction: I agree - but I still think your eagerness is pinging. Doesn't really make sense, but eh, thats what I feel. 

 

 

I'm gonna sit in my corner and observe.

 

 

best tr is actually Mynd right now, so [unvote]

 

Without fail, EVERY time someone has made a point out of "sitting back watching" D1 they've flipped scum. 

 

I like Clov already.

 

Me too. 

 

Beside that I don't see alot to comment on. Not a big fan of Drunk coming off with a random list, including himself in the top three and then going all "I don't need your pity" when given a free pass D1. 

 

Don't like how Csarmi/BFG dropped off the radar either, after I mentioned them overplaying it. Where'y'at? 

 

Top 3 for town: Tommy, Mynd, Clov

Top 3 for scum: Drunk, BFCsarmi, Rand

 

[v]Rand[/v]

 

Well at least I can begin the exception to the rule.  A vote on someone because of one scummy post is a scummy vote, especially when you specifically said earlier that you've barely played with me and need to get to know my playstyle, is a scummy vote.  Largest scum read is now Vos.

 

 

 

 

I c wut u did thar.

 

 

 

And it was a vote based off of the types of posts mafia make.  If I, as town, make posts that seem like mafia (important: there is a difference between posts that seem like mafia and posts made to advance the goal of mafia), then that is part of my meta that you don't know already.

 

 

Well, yeah, sure... but come on here. You said something I read as überscummy. Trying to half-vague meta-defend yourself with "Well, but you don't know if I say superscummy things as town!" just won't float. 

 

Secondly, you are flailing hard at a single vote at page 12. Makes me feel real good about where I placed my vote. 

 

But that wasn't my only point.  My main point which no one seems to be responding to here is that you voted me based off one post.  The things I've said after that are not related to your vote in the first place.  The fact that you voted me based off one post that you thought was scummy but was obviously meant to be a joke is in itself scummy.

 

And was my reaction to one vote large? Yes, but thats because I'm not only defending myself, but I'm also fosing Vos at the same time.  Thats why it looks bigger than it actually is.

 

 

 

 

 

Well at least I can begin the exception to the rule.  A vote on someone because of one scummy post is a scummy vote, especially when you specifically said earlier that you've barely played with me and need to get to know my playstyle, is a scummy vote.  Largest scum read is now Vos.

 

 

Pfft, that's just an OMGUSFOS and your argument is a kinder-garden-argument. "Everyone who says someone is stupid is stupid". 

 

And the fact that I don't know your meta has nothing to do with it, it wasn't a meta vote.

 

Lol that wasn't at all the argument that you said it was.

 

I said that voting someone based off one singular scummy post (unless its a slip of course) is trying to draw reads out of way too little info.

 

And it was a vote based off of the types of posts mafia make.  If I, as town, make posts that seem like mafia (important: there is a difference between posts that seem like mafia and posts made to advance the goal of mafia), then that is part of my meta that you don't know already.

 

 

I believe the bolded is (essentially) trying to draw a distinction between "being scummy" and actually being scum.  You're absolutely right that there is a difference.  I don't see how that distinction is relevant to his vote though.  It's almost like you're conceding that the post he voted you for WAS a mafia-ish post but you're upset that he's voting you for it.  If he's town, isn't that EXACTLY what he ought to be doing at this point?

 

I'm also not sure how it relates to your meta.  If you're acting like mafia, you're acting like mafia.

 

FOSes or putting someone on a scum list are characteristic of a scummy post.  But posting that you're going to sit in a corner with a gif shouldn't warrant a vote.  Thats the difference between mafia-like posts, which can vary on perspective, and posts that are intended to change game flow.

 

And what you just said is directly related to meta.  There are some playstyles that some people find scummy when they play with them.  I for example found Mynd's beat the grass technique scummy the first time I played him.  To me, it was him, acting like mafia.  But that's just how he played.  That has so much to do with meta.

 

 

But that's precisely what I mean - if you find a certain playing/posting style scummy, the town thing to do is push attention in that direction.  Therefore, you SHOULD be voting and pushing the people playing to that style. In this case, obviously Vos thinks people who make posts like yours are likely to be scum...regardless of how YOU play, I don't see why he wouldn't be inclined to push you at this stage.

 

 

 

Top 3 town that doesn't include yourself?

What would have been said had I NOT included myself??

 

 

"Hey look, this guy doesn't need to specifically state he's town to convince us"?

 

I agree to a point.  Once again, its the vote that made me think Vos was scummy.  If I had even 2 or more posts that were somewhat scummy, then it would make sense.  However, Vos went from pretty much no read on me at all, and then because of 1 post, I was her top scum read.

 

Once again, scum try to find a scummy thing a town did to latch onto, and start a bw on it.  This works on d1 a lot, and is more often than not how d1 gets started.  A player posts something slightly scummy, someone reacts to it, player defends, one of the two who either reacted or defended is seen as scummy by the town, town slowly starts piling votes, and eventually when deadline looms and there is little info due to d1, town lynches that person.  Its in scums interest to get right in the middle of this process and control it.

 

 

 

Also, on the whole DrunkTank situation right now, I'm placing a townread on him, because scum don't usually place themselves in their townreads list.  It draws unneeded attention to them, and they know that it most likely won't convince anyone they're town.  Its kind of a lazy town move I'd say.

 

That being said, his insistence on focusing on his situation is a little weird, but I do understand his point about lurkers.  The situation with me and others however, still should attract a comment or an opinion though.

 

It's the opposite of what you said. I rarely see townies list themselves in their townlist. Your logic for calling him a town reads like writing him off rather than trying to discern his alignment. This is the second time you've defended Drunk with dubious logic.

 

TMI garnished with a fencesit. A fine dessert. For a wolf! [Do I sound like Mynd?]

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Rand[/v]

[Tommyrod]

 

 

 

Avenue of Productive Discussion.

 

Day One will almost always result in the lynching of a townie simply because of odds (we all know this). My focus thus far has not been so much on the discussion between Clov, Vos, and RandA. I've been more watching those lurking.

 

Scum will participate early on just enough and let town lynch town. I have a tendency/prefer to lynch lurkers.

 

This is DM. We tend to lynch scum on D1 around here.

 

So what do you think of those who didn't participate much so far?

 

I'm rereading at the moment.

 

But I will place my vote on either Lenlo or Darthe.

 

 

If you could advance the case against Darthe and say...get him to L-1...I'd hammer.

 

 

Nothing conspicuous about this.

[Drunk Tank]

Precisely.

[Tommyrod]

Precisely.

 

No. You don't get to say anything pithy. What you do get to do is post in some depth on the going-ons of this game. Why Darthe, why Len? What was going through your mind when characters guy offered to hammer Darthe if you did the casing for it?

[Myndrunner]

It has been my experience that most mafia joke-vote each other on D1 as an early distancing technique.  Looks a lot like this post below....

 

 

 

I refuse to sign anything until my lawyer has looked over it.

 

 

Lenlo needs to be silenced and vigged ASAP.

 

Hastur Hastur Hastur.

 

Bring it.

 

[v]TG[/v] Preemptive Strike!

 

 

 

TG's response here....playful non-threatening banter.

 

 

 

I refuse to sign anything until my lawyer has looked over it.

 

 

Lenlo needs to be silenced and vigged ASAP.

 

Hastur Hastur Hastur.

 

Bring it.

 

[v]TG[/v] Preemptive Strike!

 

Official Day Action*

 

*****

Pimp Slap Lenlo

*****

 

Lenlo, you've been silenced and your powers are now mine to do with as I please. 

 

Carry on.

 

 

 

 

 

Then, "Real Talk" TG immediately switches to an INACTIVE player?  Kronos will later opt-out, but I find this move very questionable this early in the game.  It's almost as if he knew Kronos was not active on....say.....a mafia QT as well? Either way, too early to go after an inactive and very scummy to do so.

 

 

Real Talk: [v]Kronos[/v]

 

I'm reading between the lines of his 0 posts so far and I've come to two conclusions.  He's totes mcgotes scum.  And I'm pretty awesome at mafia. 

 

 

 

 

More lighthearted banter between two players where Lenlo is still voting TG.

 

 

 

 

 

Rand would say yes nomatter what. Lol

So TG, am I gonna die tonight? 

 

 

So Len-bro, am I gonna die with you tonight?

 

 

 

 

 

And now the appeal to Tommy pointing out someone elses early jokiness other than his own.

 

 

Tommy, you town?  What do you think of Vos early jokiness?

 

 

 

Appeal to Mynd.  Is this guy running for congress?

 

 

BTW Mynd, love your new dream faker siggy.  Epic awesome.

 

 

 

Vote TG for Towniest Townie in 2014!!!  Seriously, more arse smoochin!

 

 

 

 

Tommy, you town?  What do you think of Vos early jokiness?

Yeah. He seems relaxed and I haven't noticed anything different than what I've seen from him in my sample size of ~2 games, so I'd guess he's town.

 

 

I like your consistency.

 

 

 

 

 

Darthe seems to be a heat magnet in most games, which makes him an easy target and scapegoat.  Darthe has barely posted this game and yet that seems to be enough for TG to consider him among the top 3 wolfiest players in the game?  And what happened to Kronos?

 

(heh.  The only GOAT Darthe seems to get is being a scapeGOAT! Hahahaha, I kill me!)

 

 

 

Drunk, Rand, the funny characters guy. Those are the three I would smite with my sword.

 

Nynlia, Darthe, and Drunk (but not) are the three howlers right now IMO (maybe Vos thrown in at a slightly lesser level).  I wouldn't lynch Drunk because it's an unwritten common courtesy law that we never D1 lynch people who are playing their first game here on DM. 

 

Top townies are Len, Tommy, BFArm. 

 

[v]Darthe[/v]

 

 

 

 

Our Goodwill Ambassador of DM Mafia is not going to lynch Drunk Tank for any reason on D1.  Isn't that sweet?

 

 

 

Don't take it easy on me. I'm no baby.

 

I don't plan on taking it easy on you by any means, that said, I personally won't lynch you D1.  I'd rather give you at least that much time to get used to the culture differences in DM mafia play compared to other places. 

 

Top 3 town/scum reads so far?

 

 

 

[Myndrunner]

Then this....which gets NO explanation.

Lenlo, I need your help.

Now, less than 15 minutes later, Lenlo replies.  Its almost as if he knew Lenlo was online.  Kinda like they were working together in some other form of communication....like say a Mafia QT perhaps?  What did TG need help with?  A mildly funny gif....one that I believe was hastily used in a desperate attempt to explain why he really needed Lenlo.....to read the mafia QT.

 

 

TG has waded in the spam with us for a lot longer in other games.  Why the sudden haste? Why the flip-floppy behavior? Guilty conscience?  And how is he really pushing any gameplay at this point?  Voting an inactive?  Kissing everyone's arses?

 

 

 

Why so anxious for a lynch, TG?

 

TG, you are rapidly switching between serious and goofy and I ding understand the transitions. What's up? You on crack?

 

Another game with 100 pages of D1 spam posts will be soul destroying for me, so I'd rather get this game kick started and at least push some gameplay. 

 

 

 

 

Scum Playbook:  When called out for a guilty conscience, downplay its signifigence with a funny gif.  Make sure to choose one among the most popular, like an Archer or Anchor Man one.  I'm surprised this one doesn't play Danger Zone when you click on it. 

 

See below:

 

 

 

...and now the guilty conscience explanation. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

TG gives Nyn the finger and calls her out for giving him a weak FOS.  For everyone's convienence, I colored and bolded the part where Nyn gives TGlems an FOS in her quoted quote. 

 

 

 

Not a fan of TG deciding that TD deserves some kind of free pass today. I don't care if someone is new. Not even sure why he brought it up.... unless he finds him suspicious? Because if he doesn't, then why even mention him?

 

For as long as I've played on DM new players are pushed D1, coached D1, engaged D1, but not lynched D1.  Your weak wanna-be FOS is a weak wanna-be FOS.

 

Did you see it?  No? EXACTLY!

 

 

 

And now, a warning to all of us lowly hethens who DARE consider TGlems as scum because they might have an agenda.  Vos is naturally #CHAINLOCKTOWNwithPADLOCK while we should be suspicious of players other than TG if we wanna be decent townies.  Read the following and try not to facepalm too much.

 

 

 

For as long as I've played on DM I've never heard this so called rule. 

 

I've seen it mentioned multiple times as an unwritten type of thing.  I'm sure somebody else can attest.

 

Gonna start this all with a contradiction: I agree - but I still think your eagerness is pinging. Doesn't really make sense, but eh, thats what I feel.

 

Vos is #LOCKTOWN.  I'm pushing it because I know I'm town and I don't trust anyone else to push it.  They might have an agenda.  Any decent townie should be suspicious of another player getting out in front while at the same time understanding the want to push scumhunting.

 

Well at least I can begin the exception to the rule.  A vote on someone because of one scummy post is a scummy vote, especially when you specifically said earlier that you've barely played with me and need to get to know my playstyle, is a scummy vote.  Largest scum read is now Vos.

 

Rand, what would your reaction have been if Vos found you to be incredibly scummy but didn't vote you?  I find your defense to be a narrative in which Vos can't win nomatter what he does.

 

But that wasn't my only point.  My main point which no one seems to be responding to here is that you voted me based off one post.  The things I've said after that are not related to your vote in the first place.  The fact that you voted me based off one post that you thought was scummy but was obviously meant to be a joke is in itself scummy.

 

And was my reaction to one vote large? Yes, but thats because I'm not only defending myself, but I'm also fosing Vos at the same time.  Thats why it looks bigger than it actually is.

 

[DELETED POSTS]

 

FOSes or putting someone on a scum list are characteristic of a scummy post.  But posting that you're going to sit in a corner with a gif shouldn't warrant a vote.  Thats the difference between mafia-like posts, which can vary on perspective, and posts that are intended to change game flow.

 

And what you just said is directly related to meta.  There are some playstyles that some people find scummy when they play with them.  I for example found Mynd's beat the grass technique scummy the first time I played him.  To me, it was him, acting like mafia.  But that's just how he played.  That has so much to do with meta.

 

I disagree completely on what you refer to as a "scummy post."  And the argument you are applying about yourself applies to Vos also.  Maybe it is Vos' playstyle to always vote "popcorn" posts nomatter what.  Either way, like I said above, it reads as narrative.

 

 

 

TG earlier states that he isn't going to vote Drunk Tank because he's new to DM.  Yet he fires off at Rand for calling out Vos for voting him and not knowing his game play.  Don't forget, he just finished warning us all that if we want to be decent townies, we need to be suspicious.

Then a defense of Vos which doesn't even begin to consider that Vos is Scummy McVosScum. 

 

Yeah, TG......I have an agenda in this game.  It's getting rid of all the scum. 

 

I figure I'd start with you.

[Drunk Tank]

The New Guy gets a free pass for Day One because of the reason.

 

Gracious Player(s) nestles him/herself up to this helpless player making sure he make it through the treacherous minefield. New Guy continues into DayTwo possibly Three with Gracious Player getting a town bump because of being such a Good Samaritan. 

 

Regarding NotBob's offer of doing something to get Darthe to L-1, I stated my reason for my vote in post #260.

[Lenlo]

So I had a serious feel that BFG and CS were up to something. Then I remembered they were a Hydra.

 

We get some jokes for the first few pages, as is par for the course. This is the first post to stick out to me though.

[v]Mynd[/v]
 
Screw you Mynd.  Screw you. :P
 
K in all seriousness, I'm not going to be one of those guys who votes someone because of a grudge last game, so [unvote]
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Yeah... no I am going to be one of those guys. [v]Mynd[/v] :D

Joke vote Mynd. Alright. Unvote Mynd for a poor reason and then revote Mynd again saying screw that reason for unvoting him its stupid. This doesnt sit right with me, it could be subtle reinforcement of the vote or it could be trying to overplay a joke vote on someone early on. Either way it makes me suspicous of Rand atm.
 

Drunk's post was the scummiest thing in this thread so far. It feels completely out of the otherwise jovial flow of this thread. You know how DM games usually start with fun and banter and then slowly become serious? It felt like Drunk couldn't get his footing in that environment, and I think it's because he's scum.

I want to give Drunk atleast D1 to get into the flow of things on DM, the differences and all that, before we start raking him over the coals for not going with the usual flow. Small game remember so we arnt allowed as many mistakes as the big ones.
 

Lenlo needs to be silenced and vigged ASAP.

I h8 u.

So now we have some NotBob posts that leave me feeling... abit worried over him honestly

Game on.  Vote Rand
 
Scummy, opportunistic trying to hard to avoid conflict.

 

 

 

I didn't like Vos myself. Soemthing about the way he's been joking

 
Pfft, you're just making wishy-washy negative statements on me because I'm onto you. 
 
Csarmi/BFG is totally overplaying fake scumhunting, prodding and cheerfulness-joking around in-thread. 
 
!!!!!!!111
 
Tommy, Darthe, Mynd is looking town. 
 
Bit more unsure of Nyn/Hally
 
BGCsarmi on top (or bottom, depending on how you see it)
 
Xthrax is looking überscummy. Not ready to commit yet though.

 

 
FOS.
 
Fear of commitment.

 

The first one agree's with my current view on Rand, but the second one feels like an attempt to paint someone red, get them with a quick stab. Could be a joke of course but at this point in the game I am not going to assume anything. If he is scum then that makes the vote on Rand some safe distancing this early in the game.
 

 

I didn't like Vos myself. Soemthing about the way he's been joking

 
Pfft, you're just making wishy-washy negative statements on me because I'm onto you. 
 
Csarmi/BFG is totally overplaying fake scumhunting, prodding and cheerfulness-joking around in-thread. 
 
!!!!!!!111
 
Tommy, Darthe, Mynd is looking town. 
 
Bit more unsure of Nyn/Hally
 
BGCsarmi on top (or bottom, depending on how you see it)
 
Xthrax is looking überscummy. Not ready to commit yet though.

 

Can you explain these abit more Vos?

So now we get some jokey jokey from TG and Tommy, Mynd comes in with his orange juice covered fingers and takes a look at Rands post. Its critical and it asks questions. Like it. I also like how tommy follows it up with questions about why rand was defending Drunk like he was. It was something I didnt think of, the possibility of Rand knowing more than he should in regards to Drunk.

Rand comes in and kinda sidesteps all the questions thrown at him and then goes back to more jokey. Dont like it.
 

 

Drunk, Rand, the funny characters guy. Those are the three I would smite with my sword.

 
Nynlia, Darthe, and Drunk (but not) are the three howlers right now IMO (maybe Vos thrown in at a slightly lesser level).  I wouldn't lynch Drunk because it's an unwritten common courtesy law that we never D1 lynch people who are playing their first game here on DM. 
 
Top townies are Len, Tommy, BFArm. 
 
[v]Darthe[/v]

 

Can you explain the reasoning behind these TG? Also explain why you have a town read on me? Cause I have no gameplay up to this point, nothing for you to reasonably be able to call me town imo, and that pings. So yes plox explain.

Rand still not seriously responding on pg 10. WBK replaces out. Wimp. >.> Clov! Wimp. >.>

Not a fan of TGs current def, but hes right. New people generally arnt lynched D1 from what ive seen. Its really weird.

Mynd. F u and these big quotes.

 

Darthe seems to have not committed to the game just yet.
 
On the other hand Lenlo interacts with several different posts/players with only fluffy comments. I see more potential here. 
 
[v]Lenlo[/v]

Good post.  Too bad that is kinda how Lenlo is when he is town as well, which makes him harder to read than one would think.  No worries, he'll likely get lynched/frozen/ killed/jailed/silenced by D3 anyway.

 

I do my best to be an amorphous blob of unknowable mystery. Just dont shine a light in my corner, it burns.
 

Then this....which gets NO explanation.

Lenlo, I need your help.

Now, less than 15 minutes later, Lenlo replies.  Its almost as if he knew Lenlo was online.  Kinda like they were working together in some other form of communication....like say a Mafia QT perhaps?  What did TG need help with?  A mildly funny gif....one that I believe was hastily used in a desperate attempt to explain why he really needed Lenlo.....to read the mafia QT.

 

Yes Mynd he knew I was online because literally a minute before this post, I posted.

 

 

 

Clov, should I take it you're replacing Kronos?

 
Nobody can ever replace Kronos, I'm just trying to play a game here.
 
(Yes)

 

This is a good answer.

 

 
 

Lenlo, I need your help.

See the timestamps on those? This weak offense/main quote ruins the whole post imo as the rest of the post is building off of this.

Tl;Dr [v]Rand[/v]

 

Towny
Mynd
Tommy

Null
Darthe
Drunk Tank
BFArmi(BFG and Csarmi)
Vos
Clov
Nynlia

Scummy
Notbob
TG

Scum
Rand

 

 

I need to stop not keeping up with games and then catching up in one big post. It ruins my frivolity.

[Lenlo]

[unvote][v]Rand[/v]

 

Cause I cant remember if I was on someone or not.

[Myndrunner]

So I had a serious feel that BFG and CS were up to something. Then I remembered they were a Hydra.

 

 

We get some jokes for the first few pages, as is par for the course. This is the first post to stick out to me though.

[v]Mynd[/v]

 

Screw you Mynd.  Screw you. :P

 

K in all seriousness, I'm not going to be one of those guys who votes someone because of a grudge last game, so [unvote]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah... no I am going to be one of those guys. [v]Mynd[/v] :D

Joke vote Mynd. Alright. Unvote Mynd for a poor reason and then revote Mynd again saying screw that reason for unvoting him its stupid. This doesnt sit right with me, it could be subtle reinforcement of the vote or it could be trying to overplay a joke vote on someone early on. Either way it makes me suspicous of Rand atm.

 

Drunk's post was the scummiest thing in this thread so far. It feels completely out of the otherwise jovial flow of this thread. You know how DM games usually start with fun and banter and then slowly become serious? It felt like Drunk couldn't get his footing in that environment, and I think it's because he's scum.

I want to give Drunk atleast D1 to get into the flow of things on DM, the differences and all that, before we start raking him over the coals for not going with the usual flow. Small game remember so we arnt allowed as many mistakes as the big ones.

 

Lenlo needs to be silenced and vigged ASAP.

I h8 u.

 

So now we have some NotBob posts that leave me feeling... abit worried over him honestly

Game on.  Vote Rand

 

Scummy, opportunistic trying to hard to avoid conflict.

 

 

 

I didn't like Vos myself. Soemthing about the way he's been joking

 

Pfft, you're just making wishy-washy negative statements on me because I'm onto you. 

 

Csarmi/BFG is totally overplaying fake scumhunting, prodding and cheerfulness-joking around in-thread. 

 

!!!!!!!111

 

Tommy, Darthe, Mynd is looking town. 

 

Bit more unsure of Nyn/Hally

 

BGCsarmi on top (or bottom, depending on how you see it)

 

Xthrax is looking überscummy. Not ready to commit yet though.

 

 

FOS.

 

Fear of commitment.

 

The first one agree's with my current view on Rand, but the second one feels like an attempt to paint someone red, get them with a quick stab. Could be a joke of course but at this point in the game I am not going to assume anything. If he is scum then that makes the vote on Rand some safe distancing this early in the game.

 

 

I didn't like Vos myself. Soemthing about the way he's been joking

 

Pfft, you're just making wishy-washy negative statements on me because I'm onto you. 

 

Csarmi/BFG is totally overplaying fake scumhunting, prodding and cheerfulness-joking around in-thread. 

 

!!!!!!!111

 

Tommy, Darthe, Mynd is looking town. 

 

Bit more unsure of Nyn/Hally

 

BGCsarmi on top (or bottom, depending on how you see it)

 

Xthrax is looking überscummy. Not ready to commit yet though.

 

Can you explain these abit more Vos?

 

So now we get some jokey jokey from TG and Tommy, Mynd comes in with his orange juice covered fingers and takes a look at Rands post. Its critical and it asks questions. Like it. I also like how tommy follows it up with questions about why rand was defending Drunk like he was. It was something I didnt think of, the possibility of Rand knowing more than he should in regards to Drunk.

 

Rand comes in and kinda sidesteps all the questions thrown at him and then goes back to more jokey. Dont like it.

 

 

Drunk, Rand, the funny characters guy. Those are the three I would smite with my sword.

 

Nynlia, Darthe, and Drunk (but not) are the three howlers right now IMO (maybe Vos thrown in at a slightly lesser level).  I wouldn't lynch Drunk because it's an unwritten common courtesy law that we never D1 lynch people who are playing their first game here on DM. 

 

Top townies are Len, Tommy, BFArm. 

 

[v]Darthe[/v]

 

Can you explain the reasoning behind these TG? Also explain why you have a town read on me? Cause I have no gameplay up to this point, nothing for you to reasonably be able to call me town imo, and that pings. So yes plox explain.

 

Rand still not seriously responding on pg 10. WBK replaces out. Wimp. >.> Clov! Wimp. >.>

 

Not a fan of TGs current def, but hes right. New people generally arnt lynched D1 from what ive seen. Its really weird.

 

Mynd. F u and these big quotes.

 

Darthe seems to have not committed to the game just yet.

 

On the other hand Lenlo interacts with several different posts/players with only fluffy comments. I see more potential here. 

 

[v]Lenlo[/v]

Good post.  Too bad that is kinda how Lenlo is when he is town as well, which makes him harder to read than one would think.  No worries, he'll likely get lynched/frozen/ killed/jailed/silenced by D3 anyway.

 

I do my best to be an amorphous blob of unknowable mystery. Just dont shine a light in my corner, it burns.

 

Then this....which gets NO explanation.

Lenlo, I need your help.

Now, less than 15 minutes later, Lenlo replies.  Its almost as if he knew Lenlo was online.  Kinda like they were working together in some other form of communication....like say a Mafia QT perhaps?  What did TG need help with?  A mildly funny gif....one that I believe was hastily used in a desperate attempt to explain why he really needed Lenlo.....to read the mafia QT.

 

Yes Mynd he knew I was online because literally a minute before this post, I posted.

 

 

 

Clov, should I take it you're replacing Kronos?

 

Nobody can ever replace Kronos, I'm just trying to play a game here.

 

(Yes)

 

This is a good answer.

 

 

 

Lenlo, I need your help.

See the timestamps on those? This weak offense/main quote ruins the whole post imo as the rest of the post is building off of this.

 

 

Tl;Dr [v]Rand[/v]

 

 

Towny

Mynd

Tommy

 

Null

Darthe

Drunk Tank

BFArmi(BFG and Csarmi)

Vos

Clov

Nynlia

 

Scummy

Notbob

TG

 

Scum

Rand

 

 

I need to stop not keeping up with games and then catching up in one big post. It ruins my frivolity.

 

 

Why is Lenlo giving us an excuse for something that none of us accused him of?  Oh yeah, guilty conscience.

[Lenlo]

Guilty conscience about not keeping up with games like I should multiple times in a row? Yes. Can you explain how that has any relevance at all or will you just be using it to move attention away from the actual meat of that post?

[Tyler Glembo]

Mynd, your "case" is terribad.  I'm putting it in quotations because it doesn't even rise to the level of a real case.  I expected more from you.  I'll tear it apart when I get back from my next meeting.  Hold your breath.

[Tommyrod]

Mynd, your scum team is TG and Lenlo? I think TG has some scum equity, but I don't think your "omg they're colluding!" theory you start that case with is very likely.

 

Often people say "hah did you plan that in scum chat?!" and that's almost never the case. I mean do you seriously plan out conversations in scum chat? I don't.

 

TG wanting less spam isn't scummy. Him being spammy while also deriding people for not being serious kind of is, though.

 

I give your case a 4/10. Might be right but probably for the wrong reasons. A lot of what you found scummy is actually semantics.