[Basic] Eye of the World Mafia (Darkfriends win)

[Verbal32]

Scum will continue to block the Cop (assuming it is Thane for purposes of this point) and take shots at the Doc.  There isn't much we can do unless we find & lynch the RBer.

[Krakalakachkn]

Alright, so working forwards, on page 13.

 

 

 

Sorry I've been gone all.  I've not been well the past couple of days.

 

I have four main things to say now that I am back.

 

1) Leelou reeks.  She brought up my name a ton and kept trying to bounce scenarios off of it and she is flapping about tying things together as much as possible.  Her play here looks like damage control though I have no idea why she would start that this quickly and I don't know what it's for.

2) Hally's post about Dawn didn't make much sense to me.  It feels weird.

3) I actually agreed with Des...  What is going on here?

4) Mynd, TG and Des look awesomely town.  TG so much that after 212 I was almost embarrassed to post this.  

1) The only times Leelou brought up your name iirc was when she was addressing Dawn.  I don't know what you mean when you say "tying things together as much as possible" and I would love to hear why.  That last bit is bad because you're trying to make an assertive argument to influence others' views of Leelou but providing no evidence to back it up.

2) It feels weird, huh?  Two in a row where you state something feels off but offer no explanation.

3) Agree with Des on what, exactly?  He's said a lot of things so far so this statement of yours could mean anything.  Are you agreeing with all his reads?  Some of them?  Looks like you just want this so you can point to it later and say "see! I agreed with this specific thing that Des said!" when you actually left it wide open.

 

 

I'm in meetings all day today - on my way to my first one, so I won't be around until late tonight/tomorrow.

 

I will be hiding in butthurt cave until the mean townies stop trying to lynch me.  If you need any questions answered, please deal with my scum associates who will be defending me shortly.......BEEP!

 

Speaking of which....

 

 

That's a bit harsh Mynd, I don't see Leelou as one to run and hide.

 

so, caught up somewhat.

 

The player sticking out to me is Leelou. i find her push on dawn odd, and hardly justified imo. Her poking at Tina seems off too. People can be busy, i know i am not around on DM when working lateshifts (today too)

 

 

 

The one player sticking out, huh?  I don't remember much poking of Tina, want to point it out for me?

 

 

 

"A lot of the votes on me feel very bandwagon-y. " - Dawn could have easily said

 

8.  Dawn - Her first 3 posts had to do with Darthe, her "defense" post was an OMGUS vote. Nothing says town. She has an easy meta to hide behind. I'd like to actually see her break out of it to get a real feel from her. 

 

So, just because Dawn can't sit with you at lunch, you add vote #3 on her? 

 

 

 

Best post of the game.

 

 

leelou im quiet cause i actually dont have much to say atm.

 

dawn are you being mentored this game?

 

 

i think i need to reread this w/e and see if i can start to get this game cause atm i just havent got a grip on it at all

 

Don't have a grip 12 pages in?  There's a wonder load of material here, you've just got to open your eyes.  The question for Dawn is a cheap throwaway.

 

 

I have a problem with reading Mynd this game. He acts like his usual self and that is something I associate with town since I haven´t seen him as scum in a long, long time. But... why all of that nonsense about putting a second or third vote on anyone, and why would that be scummy? As Verb, I also wonder why Mynd said that Leelou tried to save Lenlo but didn´t say anything about Darthe having equal amount of votes as Lenlo. I will definitely keep an eye on Mynd this game. 

 

TG´s quick move from Leelou to Dawn was strange. He said that he moved because he was alone on Leelou and that Dawn needed preassure but it only took four posts before he moved it. Later he manage to fos all of those who have been mentioned as scum so far: Leelou, Dawn and Hallia.  

 

It´s funny that Leelou thinks Dawn is obsessed with Darthe when I found her self-centred. It´s strange that Dawn didn´t vote Leelou at first but waited until later, when others had started to accuse her,  to vote her

 

As for Leelou´s list - I agree with a lot of it. Thane´s vote looks bandwagony. NotBob is voting without much reasons. I think Krak looks town as well, even though he still votes me. I don´t agree about TG though. 

 

 

[unvote]

 

 TG 

 

 

Mostly because he is going with the crowd a little too much. Fosing all the people in the spotlight. As I said, his quick change of vote was strange. I could also vote Thane. Not sure if Dawn or Leelou is mafia but I would go for Dawn before Leelou. 

 

 

@bold - 

 

 

Funny like a clown funny?

 

 

@underlined - 

 

So you agree with Leelou's list and yet you're willing to admit you think she might be mafia?  That last line in your post is just so wishy-washy.  Why would you think Dawn and Leelou might be scum?  That would have been the perfect time to explain any of your reads other than TG.  Any of them.  You accuse TG of "going with the crowd," which I don't recall him doing, and yet you're like the 4th person to accuse Thane of being scummy for bandwagoning.  Hmmmmmmm.

[Verbal32]

Train on Darthe.  All aboard.

[WWWwombat]

Vote Count

 
Csarmi(2): Lenlo, Darthe
Tina(1): Leelou
Hallia(1): NotBob
Darthe(3): Csarmi, Despo, Verbal
Mynd(1): Thane
 

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.  Deadline set for Friday at 6 PM EDT (Roughly 29 hours from this post).

[Krakalakachkn]

That vote count is really interesting.

[Verbal32]

That vote count is really interesting.

 

How so?

[csarmi]

Verbal. I don't see what your question has to do with Darthe's list.

[Krakalakachkn]

Then, Krak joins in with the TG voting and questions Dice. 

Unvote

Vote TG

 

Why try to lead a CFD on Thane?  Tina would make more sense to me as a target for you.

 

I really don't get this TG lynch at all and I am totally not buying Leelou's claim. 

 

@Krak, Why TG?

 

 

I questioned TG, not Dice.  Tina made more sense to me as a place to start a CFD from his pov

 

 

 

total CFD

 

vote Thane

 

 

Oh for the love of god!

 

 

 

You state you have no handle on the game and are going to reread and the next thing you do is vote with no reason?

 

Geez how could it get worse?

 

 

LOL@dice: for real bro, you vote me after i (soft) claim town? Or did you miss that?

 

Maybe you did it on purpose: vote dice

 

there's always this silly "3rd on a train" thing i keep reading about, but yeah, either you didn't read my post or you just ignore what i typed.

 

I am town. I would suggest not lynching me.

 

 

allright thane lets see.

 

now i admit im not awesome at ISOs but heres what i got.

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/89767-basic-eye-of-the-world-mafia-day-1/page-6?do=findComment&comment=3267671

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/89767-basic-eye-of-the-world-mafia-day-1/page-6?do=findComment&comment=3267664

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/89767-basic-eye-of-the-world-mafia-day-1/page-6?do=findComment&comment=3267662

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/89767-basic-eye-of-the-world-mafia-day-1/page-6?do=findComment&comment=3267659

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/89767-basic-eye-of-the-world-mafia-day-1/page-12?do=findComment&comment=3269264

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/89767-basic-eye-of-the-world-mafia-day-1/page-10?do=findComment&comment=3268573

 

 

now granted i may have stuffed that up. hopefully i didnt but im sure thane will tell me if i did.

 

So Thane. Where is this soft claim? cause i didnt see it.

 

Also either claim or dont. Dont soft claim thats jus bringing in WIFOM.

 

Are you really trying to retroactively justify your vote on Thane two hours after his above post?  This just reeks of "oh shit I better cover my tracks!"  Also, role fishing.

 

 

 

just checking in quickly after coming in from work (with no DM access)

 

I don't mind a fire drill: been a firefighter for 10 years, was sergeant when i left, so i think i can handle a bit of heat from that. Not too worried about the votes on me. 

 

Can't really give a top 3 of scum/town, but i'll try: Players seeming off to me are Mynd and Darthe, so a scumlean there. Leelou claimed, so we'll see if the claim is actually true (i find it a bit early to claim D1, but i understand that her train got close to lynch). Town for her. Also, TG as town: playing around, poking left and right, trying to get reads. Dawn seems relaxed, so i'll pile her as likely town as well. Need to make up my mind about the rest. And, oh yeah, i'm town too. 

 

unvote  due to claim

 

ok i definetly missed one and its the one where you say you are town. So?  Have you never seen mafia say they are town?  cause they arnt. Want to not get voted? you are gonna need to give us a reason  a real one that you should still be here tomorrow. Saying you are town isnt a real reason

 

 

At this point the onus is on you to prove why he shouldn't be here tomorrow.  You're blatantly bandwagoning here and acting high and mighty makes you look worse.

 

 

LOL@dice: for real bro, you vote me after i (soft) claim town? Or did you miss that?

 

Maybe you did it on purpose: vote dice

 

there's always this silly "3rd on a train" thing i keep reading about, but yeah, either you didn't read my post or you just ignore what i typed.

 

I am town. I would suggest not lynching me.

 

I don't even know how to respond to this.

 

Are you seriously suggesting that claiming town.... makes you town?????

 

   

 

This looks like such a mock outrage vote it's insane.

 

Was hesitating in moving my vote to Thane, but eh he's acting like soft claiming town is something to be proud of, then cryptically soft claims some more. He's either scum or a town PR epically failing to try and hide his role with the cryptic soft claim. So either scum or megadumb, and here's hoping he's not megadumb

 

unvote

 

Thane

 

 

Dude wtf?  I seriously don't even know how you could write this post. 

 

You vote TG who is leading a CFD on Thane and then between that post and this one - with absolutely no justification - you're suddenly ready to vote Thane and even state "was hesitating moving my vote to Thane?!?"

 

First suspicious post I've seen from Des.

 

 

 

Leelou: it's not a threat. It's an attempt to help fellow town find scum. I didn't bandwagon your vote, i was convinced you might have been scum. I was wrong, everybody can be. And i'm not claiming anything other than town because it might get me into trouble faster than i want.

 

I think that you are already in trouble. Claiming town is not really a claim. Everyone will say that they are town. 

 

 

ugh

 

 

Lynch is in what, less than one hour?

 

fine then: in an attempt not to get lynched, and which will probably get me NK'd straight away because the rest of town doesn't believe me when i say i'm town:

 

i'm Min Farshaw, Town COP

 

thank you, fellow law abiding citizens, for this chance for scum.

 

 

heh

 

 

 

 

 

 

@Verb

 

I'm still catching up so it's interesting to see where NotBob, Leelou, and Thane are voting.  The Darthe train makes sense as of where I am now and seeing Len/Darthe voting Salami makes me excited to see what Salami did.  

[csarmi]

DAT Dice post when he goes hunting for where Thane claimed town (like it would mean anything). That's what I didn't like. Tx Krak.

[Krakalakachkn]

Yeah, I'm going to wait until I catch-up, but it's looking like a Dice lynch is in order.

[csarmi]

I dunno. I take pride in reading Dice well and he didn't ring the bells on my first read. Though me not being in the flow makes it harder. Let's see if I can re read.

[csarmi]

Verb what was it that you were going to game the mod on? About Leelou's claim.

[csarmi]

If I can recall correctly.

[Krakalakachkn]

 

Still don't like Leelou's play from yesterday...but for now I'd like explore another angle.

 

Vote Hallia

You wanna explore my angles?

 

I've nothing to hide, I stand by my Leelou town read

 

 

That's all you've got?

 

 

 

My sarcasm comes mainly from you claiming cop 1h before deadline.

 

Hope you aren't it.

 

I don't see how true claiming cop would help you. It would bite you in the ass eventually...

 

Apparently night one.

 

So who are your suspects?

 

You know, if I was mafia and wanted to get a claimed cop lynched I think this is how I'd do it.  Really, it's a good effort.  I would RB them constantly (if I had the choice) and each day when they had zilch I would badger them about being a bad cop.  After a while I'd start sliding in little one liners like "if you even are the cop", "I really hope you faked it though" etc.

 

What do you think Salami?  

 

salami

 

Verb is right that Len looks awesome but I still think we have scum between Verb and Leelou.  I'm willing to go on either of them.  Btw, salami what do you think of them?  

 

 

You say Lenlo looks awesome, but he basically did the same thing you're accusing CS of in his catch-up post.  Does that not affect your read of either?  Once again you're offering a point of view without offering evidence.  I really don't like it.  The bold is just lawl.

 

Remind me why you're so gung-ho on Verb?  Was it because of his interactions with Leelou?

 

 

 

 

Still don't like Leelou's play from yesterday...but for now I'd like explore another angle.

 

Vote Hallia

 

If by other angle you mean "I like throwing my vote around like blind men throw darts" then sure.  But seriously, why Hally?

 

 

I don't like how Hallia joined the Dawn Train.

 

 

Still don't like Leelou's play from yesterday...but for now I'd like explore another angle.

 

Vote Hallia

You wanna explore my angles?

 

I've nothing to hide, I stand by my Leelou town read

 

 

I'm curious about your angles and curves.  I love math and stuff.  

 

As far as this thread...you jumped on the Dawn train rather convenient while momentum had swung to Leelou...I asked for your reasoning then but have missed the reply...http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/89767-basic-eye-of-the-world-mafia-day-2/page-14?do=findComment&comment=3269602

 

Day 1 ended without a lynch...still don't like how Leelou's train stalled without much discussion...you were conveniently MIA during this time...hence I'm curious where you stand.

 

Do you still feel the Dawn/Csarmi slot is scum or has your opinion changed?

 

 

Good post from NB.

 

With Csarmi there I'll be able to tell soon, I believe.  I play a lot with Csarmageddon, and I'm willing to give him redemption.

 

This isn't an answer.  You felt Dawn was scummy enough to vote her during the Leelou build-up and suddenly you're not sure about your read?

 

I find Dawn can be distracting, I know she's new, and I find her, even as town, to sometimes hurt us more than help.

 

Also, looking back, I stayed with her over other, easier lynches, and so I would say no, I wasn't going for an easy lynch, I was going for who I thought was scummy.

 

So now you're back to a sure read, huh?

 

 

 

 

Still don't like Leelou's play from yesterday...but for now I'd like explore another angle.

 

Vote Hallia

 

If by other angle you mean "I like throwing my vote around like blind men throw darts" then sure.  But seriously, why Hally?

 

 

I don't like how Hallia joined the Dawn Train.

 

 

You have to know that that is too vague to fly.  

 

 

Why are you ignoring the posts that followed this one?  The ones quoted above.

[hazelkrs1]

Yup, Darthe is scum. It must frustrate him so that I can soulread him so easily

 

 

Lenlo, I'll get to you later on. For now let's lynch Darthe and enjoy a nice glass of iced tea.

[Lenlo]

Yup, Darthe is scum. It must frustrate him so that I can soulread him so easily

 

 

Lenlo, I'll get to you later on. For now let's lynch Darthe and enjoy a nice glass of iced tea.

I dunno. Ill miss the attention.

[Leelou]

Deadline is tomorrow?

[Krakalakachkn]

Tina

Darthe

Dice

Hallia

Mynd

Verb

Leelou

Lenlo

Despo

CS

NotBob

Thane

 

Is where my minds at for now.  Order within colors isn't important.

 

 

 

Vote Dice

[Verbal32]

Verbal. I don't see what your question has to do with Darthe's list.

 

huh?

[Verbal32]

Krak just joined my town pile.

[Leelou]

No one seems to be joining me on Tina. I don't think she should be left for too long, but I'm fine with Darthe.

 

[unvote]

 

[v]darthe[/v]

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Vote Count

 

 

Csarmi(2): Lenlo, Darthe

Tina(1): Leelou

Hallia(1): NotBob

Darthe(3): Csarmi, Despo, Verbal

Mynd(1): Thane

 

 

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.  Deadline set for Friday at 6 PM EDT (Roughly 29 hours from this post).

 

 

Tina

Darthe

Dice

Hallia

Mynd

Verb

Leelou

Lenlo

Despo

CS

NotBob

Thane

 

Is where my minds at for now.  Order within colors isn't important.

 

 

 

Vote Dice

 

 

No one seems to be joining me on Tina. I don't think she should be left for too long, but I'm fine with Darthe.

 

[unvote]

 

[v]darthe[/v]

 

Unofficial Vote Count

 

 

Csarmi(2): Lenlo, Darthe

Dice(1): Krak

Hallia(1): NotBob

Darthe(4): Csarmi, Despo, Verbal, Leelou

Mynd(1): Thane

 

 

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.  Deadline set for Friday at 6 PM EDT (Roughly 29 hours from this post).

 

Not voting:  Hallia, Dice, Mynd, Tina

 

Wanted to post an unofficial vote count so I could add the four laggards who are not ready to vote.  

 

Also wanted to note Leelou's next opportunistic (read scummy) vote.  

 

Still prefer the Hallia lynch.  Her play has been scumtastic and now it appears she's not interested in voting.  

[Hallia]

Been focused on the other games, I might've stretched myself too thin.  One just ended though, so I can devote more time.

 

Re: Dawn.  - I always think she's scum, it's her way of playing.  It seemed scummy to me again this game.  With Csarmi in the slot I should be able to get a much better read on it, though I'm null on him right now.  While an improvement, it leaves me with one less scum suspect.

 

Krak - I see you too have Tina listed as a scum suspect, CFD?

[Krakalakachkn]

Why?  You have a town read on Darthe?

[Hallia]

Initially I had a semi town read on him based on his and Dawn's interaction.  I'll go look back through and see if what he's done has stood out.