[Standard] - Hitchhiker's Game to the Galaxy - Game Over

[Andrej]

Oh - and as far as the conf-bias thing goes. I used it in a way to describe someone who knows their alignment and reacts in a way congruent to this knowledge. In this instance both you and Cory read like you are aware of your town alignment but are getting kind of prickly of other people doubting it.

 

It might not be the textbook definition but it's how I like to think of it.

[Andrej]

SOC is steam of consciousness?

 

That's the only acronym I can see fitting there from a mafia vocab standpoint.

[Andrej]

Also from your lynch list I would support any of those minus Leelou.

[hazelkrs1]

SOC is steam of consciousness?

 

That's the only acronym I can see fitting there from a mafia vocab standpoint.

Yup. I'm a big fan of SOC posts as they're a bit harder to fake as scum. Not impossible, but harder to make look natural.

[Andrej]

I personally wasn't overly impressed by it. A lot of the town reads and reasoning behind them were sorta meh. Basically you and Verb were meta. Thane was on tone, which in the same post he says he is uncomfortable with using. I don't even remember the other read. Listing only town reads is kinda troubling to me too but I'm willing to wait to see what else he's got to say.

 

I understand what you're saying though.

[Andrej]

[unvote]

 

[v]Hallia[/v]

 

Competing wagons FTW.

 

I'm out for the night. Would be awesome to come back to some people voicing their lynch preferences in the morning.

[Nynaeve]

 I think YOU failed to read the post correctly in the first place and now you are changing the narrative behind it to fit your portrayal.

 

 

I haven't changed my narrative at any point. I've been saying the same over and over.... and over.

 

 

@Nyn - if you think that Dice is lying about viewing the thread with your implication that he is lurking, why would you choose to believe his claim and unvote?

 

 

His claim doesn't take away from him being perceived as scummy before. With that said, it does gives me pause. On the small off chance that he's being truthful I'm fine with keeping him for another day phase or two to see his alleged results. This isn't something he'll be able to fib for long.

 

 

 

Nyn

[Nynaeve]

Nyn, AJ

 

Both of you are villagers

 

cut it out

 

I'm really not sold on AJ being a townie. If anything, my lean is starting to gravitate from null to scummy.

 

 

 

oh gee!  look at that!  mention the devil and up she pops!

 

Pot meet kettle.

 

 

 

 

Why would you suggest me if you have no good reasons? That in itself seems scummy was well as what Nyn pointed out.  

 

Why would you follow the thread closely enough to respond to comments made in your direction (not only Dice's, but mine earlier about you sniping at jokes), but not put anything of substance out there for us to build off of?

 

 

Null tell for me. Hallia does this as town and scum. Not saying it's necessarily wise but that's how she chooses to play.

 

 

 

Read my mind.

 

 

Nyn bugs me from an attitude standpoint. She reads very abrasive and I find the way she pushed Dice to be pretty scummy. Using his time here on DM as an indicator of his alignment for something I don't think is particularly common knowledge looks bad. I also dislike the way she changed the foundation of her argument against him. Implying he was lying about being active while also buying his claim doesn't seem like congruent thought process to me.

 

Wow, impressive twisting words skillz! I R AMAZED.

 

AJ is continuing to show his true colors, me likes!

 

Cory, are you still that convinced that AJ is town after this ridiculous post of his? lol 

 

So now I changed the foundation of my argument, which is completely false. AND now I'm using dice's time on DM as an indicative for alignment? LMFAO That is the most ridiculous thing I heard since Mish got upset over people talking about her while she was sleeping. And it takes a lot to top that.

 

FYI, if I was gonna advocate lynching people according to site seniority, I'd be the one to go first. 13 years and counting.

 

But alas, I'm not in Mynd's club of bizarre theories quite yet so I'm not out to lynch the senior members of the site  xD

 

You know all too well that the only reason I brought up dice's seniority was to point out that someone who's been on the site for that long would (or at least SHOULD) know basic site related details that a newer member might not be aware of. But thank you for trying to use it to shed a negative light on me. Though between you and me I think you bit just a TINY bit more than you can chew with this *shakes head and laughs*

 

Yes, I'm being abrasive. You can keep pointing out that I'm being abrasive to your hearts content. Unfortunately for you, if you want me out of the way you'll just have to nightkill me. ;)

 

 

 

Nyn

[Leelou]

I see Cory and Des have started a measuring contest, and I am sort of interested in the outcome. 

 

Dice has still failed to actually answer all of Clov's questions. And the ones he did answer, he didn't really answer correctly, but is still pushing on how I have "inside knowledge". Sorry, you still haven't proven to me you are town, Dice. All you've proven is your avoidance to answer questions directed to you. 

 

@Cory, my read on Hallia hasn't changed yet, but I do want to see her reads so I can know how she's thinking. 

[Nynaeve]

Need to do some stuff, I'll be back!

 

 

 

Nyn

[hazelkrs1]

Hrm. Alright. I've played with dice quite a few times and would be more shocked if his play was super active rather than the usual meta-lurky. But he's 'back' and apparently the Watcher. Not fond of day 1 claims. [unvote] Dice 

 

Bleurgh @ this post. "Apparently" the Watcher looks funky to me, dunno why he said it like that. I also don't get why he said he wasn't fond of D1 claims... Dice was at L-2. Why even mention this?

 

Why would you suggest me if you have no good reasons? That in itself seems scummy was well as what Nyn pointed out.  

 

 

Dunno why you're embracing the sniper role btw Hallia- sniping is firmly in your scum meta.

 

Ok, I'll respond to Des in a bit. I want to try and finish catching up first.

 

Oh, my townread on Lazy has gone down. Since being called townie by a few players, he has mainly just fluffed along and hasn't made any sincere attempts to scumhunt at all. Add to that BFG's townreading him because of his OP, and yeah he dun look as good anymore.

 

Oooh and that reminds me- RTE's OP (BFG parroted others on that as well). It didn't look good to me, and his recap was pretty meh as well, but I wanted to wait and see what else he posted before coming to a decision. RTE has a knack for looking extremely scummy as town, and he's often targeted for mislynches by scum when he is town.

 

Okay, bbl

Lol, never said I had a town or mafia read on Lazy or RTE, just that I liked/disliked their OP.

 

Reminds me though @RTE 42, that is all. 

 

 

Def don't like this response BFG. Seen far too many times where scum said almost exactly the same type of thing:

 

"Oh I wasn't fos'ing him, I was just pointing out something that seemed odd!"

 

Like Verb said, it smells of semantics. Townies shouldn't be afraid to be held to a stance- scum are more likely to not want to be pinned down on something.

 

That being said, you were right about Leelou responding to Verbal before I thought she did. Missed that. And eh, I guess I can see your point regarding my initial suspicion of Clov. But, like I've said before, being hypocritical doesn't necessarily make you scum. I will often fos others for doing stuff I do all the time. Sort of a "Do as I say, not as I do" situation.

[hazelkrs1]

Nyn, I think you're making a mistake that I have made many many times: assuming other people will be as perceptive and logical as you. I have been proven wrong about this so many times that I've learned not to overestimate people's reasoning skills. That sounds a bit prickish on my part, but so be it.
 
So yeah, I think it IS possible that Dice has been on DM that long but never knew about that feature. It doesn't really surprise me, in the same way that it wouldn't surprise me if he was town even tho his reasoning for his scumread on Leelou is that she "knows too much" about a town post restriction, which is kinda ludicrous.
 
I'd advise you to treat your read of Dice like I'm handling my read of Leelou. It's still there, and I'm keeping an eye on her, but eh I've gained some info so might as well try to develop reads on others and find a diff lynch candidate. I think you've already said something along these lines, but if Dice is scum he'll get tripped up over his claim at some point. Not really worth it atm to debate about whether he's scum or not.
 
Speaking of Leelou, def don't like how she's trying to keep attention on Dice, seems like she's clinging to a mislynch. Dude already claimed, and there simply is NOT enough evidence against him to risk losing a town PR, not on D1.
 
Still think Thane looks TURRIBLE for his vote on Dice yesterday. Is challenged to vote him, acts like a judicious advocate waiting for Dice's day in court, then votes him anyways before going to bed. Competing trains between him and Hallia looks pretty spottieottiedopaliscious to me.

[hazelkrs1]

Yes, Aquemini IS in my car atm

 

[Nynaeve]

 I'd advise you to treat your read of Dice like I'm handling my read of Leelou. It's still there, and I'm keeping an eye on her, but eh I've gained some info so might as well try to develop reads on others and find a diff lynch candidate. I think you've already said something along these lines, but if Dice is scum he'll get tripped up over his claim at some point. Not really worth it atm to debate about whether he's scum or not.

 

 

I'm sorry, but what are you talking about?  I already dropped my vote and said I'd be watching dice. My last post was about AJ trying to discredit me over what I said, it's not about dice.

 

 

 

Nyn

[Nynaeve]

I'm working on some ISO, will post soon.

 

 

 

Nyn

[Niniel]

I had two reasons for thinking Dice is scum and I haven´t changed my mind about him. As someone (Leelou?) said, watcher can be a mafia role as well. I will check other candidates and see if I want to unvote or not. I was willing to vote for Mish earlier but now she has been replaced so I like to see what Vos had to say. 

 

I have been here for over three years and I had no idea that you could find out what thread people are visiting. I guess I´m not used to stalk people. :P

 

Des seems very sure about BFG´s meta and that she is scum here. I have no idea if he is right or not. Anyone else want to comment on this? Des, why did you choose to vote Thane instead of BFG? 

 

Edit for Marvin quote.

 

"Reverse primary thrust, Marvin." That's what they say to me. "Open airlock number 3, Marvin." "Marvin, can you pick up that piece of paper?" Here I am, brain the size of a planet, and they ask me to pick up a piece of paper. "

[Pralaya]

Just spent the last few hours reading the whole game and getting some sort of narrative. 

 

First, yes, I am not an active player D1 because I tend to need some information on hand before getting a good read on players. D1 is more of tone and assumptions which I am not very comfortable with. 

 

Second, I get a lot of info by reading the thread as a whole rather than post by post. Which is probably why I have only a 

bunch of posts D1 in almost all my games. It will exponentially increase as the game progresses, but there we are.

 

Anyway, back to the reads. Let me get my good town reads out of the way.

 

Des - I see him trying to explore a lot of avenues, which he does a lot as town. In this game, he started out with Clov which was somewhat of a joke/reaction test vote. Then he votes Leelou and his case on her was pretty straightforward at the time and lately Dice. He is not throwing darts but more of having a stance on each of his suspects, which is a good towntell on him.

 

Clov - I can sense that he is not overdoing the questioning routine that Tommy pointed out the in Real Genius game. His stance on Dice again has been good and not the nudgy type I saw when I was scummate with him

 

Thane - I don't agree with Des about him overdoing the newbie meta. His tone feels genuine. Have played only one game with him, his first game where he was scum. Maybe he has changed his gameplay as he is more experienced now. Nobody noticed it but a big LOL at reading himself here. 

 

Verbal - Yeah, I am not seeing the lurky scum meta in this game. He is a bit aggressive, had a good back-and-forth with Cory regarding his tonereads. He is not hiding in the background as he usually does as scum. Town on him 

 

That are my current town reads as of now. I will get back on the rest of the players tomorrow as i spent a way lot of time reading the game and it is already 2:00 AM here. First thing after I wake up.

 

Continuing from where I left yesterday.

 

Among the rest, following are the null but slightly leaning town group

 

Cory - His play has been slightly different here. He is doing a lot of "POE the town reads" which he does every game, whether he is town or scum. But, I don't see the aggressiveness that he goes after his people which looks like he is still trying to solve. He was easily sheeping off other scum reads in the RG game and voting the trains, which is missing here. However, the absolute lack of a stance or vote on anyone make me feel a bit iffy because it looks like he is intentionally trying to avoid it - and this is what pushes him to null.

 

Mish/Vos - She plays quite carefully as scum and doing those subtle nudges. Her vote on Leelou was not her trying to blend in but actually going after her reads. There were other points brought out by others - her "you target when I am sleeping" comment was basically null and I don't see why it has got as much attention.

 

Tina - I liked this post from her where she seems quite frank about her fence-sitting. However, her vote on Dice seemed slightly out of the blue but considering that she has mainly commented on Dice, Mish and leelou so far, I can get why she voted her

 

Dice - Dice is always hard to read because his posts usually comes off as scummy. He doesn't explain things very well and goes after what others have already said. However, I can sympathise with him because I find myself in the same situation - where we are not on real time conversation with others and are mostly catching up. That said, he has claimed as scum in some games before and as someone suggested, Watcher could also be a scum (given Csarmi's setups, this is a good possibility). However, as of now, I can believe his claim and he will soon be caught later if he is lying.

 

AJ - His reads have looked straightforward, including the one on mine (which I will address in a later post). I am not liking him doing a wagonomics analysis before we have got any flips, but can see the intent. Ties to what Cory went after me in the RG game - about conditional reads. Slightly looks more like he has some information that others don't and setting up based on that.

 

Now, on to the truly NULL read

 

Lazy - I haven't seen him giving any read at all in the game. I resonate with his style in that D1 is a poopfest and about not sharing when it is not needed. If I am not getting any reads in D2 or further when there is a lot of information to base it on, then I will get suspicious

 

Then, the actual Null to slightly scum reads.

 

BFG - I was hydra with her on the Mass Effect game and I could see the difference in her WoTs in that game. Des has already mentioned it but her WoTs are there because it needs to be there. Rather than truly focusing on the gameplay. I can see her trying to hide in her WoTs

 

RTE - His fencesitting on Dice didn't sit well with me. His vote on Dice   came quite opportunistically and he starts fencesitting on him saying that he has difficulty in reading Dice . His play seems to be very safe so far. 

 

Hallia - Her vote on Mish was basically sheeping on what others said andfocusing on a minor point about Mish's sleeping statement. Looks like a forced vote and not liking that. Again, playing very safe not trying to have a hard stance on a lot of people. 

 

Leelou - She has been in both Mish and Dice wagons and the votes have not looked convincing. She seems to buddy Verbal a lot, which is kind of normal that she would but I am not seeing a genuine read of her on him. Like when she explains her read on everyone but verbal or liking a post just for the heck of it. 

 

Nynaeve - I don't see why a lot of people have a townread on her. From my read on her, she is looking like someone who is doing a lot of FoS but not pursuing it a lot, which seems to like setting up for future days. Starte off with AJ but apart from a couple of conevrsations with AJ, doesn't take it further. And, suspecting Mish and taking it a bit ahead but never voting her. The only stance she had was on Dice but she unvoted him even when she is iffy on him and even after arguing on a very minor point. I think there were some FoS on verbal and Des too in her gameplay, from what I remember. I also see her defending Leelou a lot, which I am feeling slightly iffy with. Overall, I feel that she is talking from the sidelines in most issues and her only strong stance was on Dice which she is currently fence-sitting.

[Pralaya]

 

My 90% accurate villager list:

 

Tina

AJ

Thane

Nyn

 

My can't clear because too good but want to clear:

 

Clov

 

The amount of non-committal votes on Dice bothers me but I like a good portion of his wagon enough and he's been invisible to the point where I would not fight his lynch in any way

 

I would like more time this phase, though. We still have two days until deadline

 

I'm with you on the bolded. I haven't read back on his most recent post but I'll get to that once I finished responding to what I want to in this wall.

 

Dice sitting at L-2 without another viable lynch wagon in sight bothers me in a general sense, but I agree that I'm not staunchly against it either.

 

Just spent the last few hours reading the whole game and getting some sort of narrative. 

 

First, yes, I am not an active player D1 because I tend to need some information on hand before getting a good read on players. D1 is more of tone and assumptions which I am not very comfortable with. 

 

Second, I get a lot of info by reading the thread as a whole rather than post by post. Which is probably why I have only a 

bunch of posts D1 in almost all my games. It will exponentially increase as the game progresses, but there we are.

 

 

I bolded the bits I find contradictory with what you're saying in the very same post.

 

You're not a very active D1 player but you say that you tend to have more D1 posts? You also say you aren't comfortable using tone to evaluate players but are using tone as a means to list Thane as one of your town reads. These don't fit together.

 

 

Eh? I don't get what you are saying. I am saying that I am not active and I only have a bunch of posts. Where did I say that I have a lot of D1 posts?

 

Also, being uncomfortable with something doesn't mean that I don't use it at all, especially on D1 where a lot of reads are based on meta and tone. Which is the reason why i don't post a lot D1. I tend to base a lot of my reads on known information or flips.

[Niniel]

Hrm. Alright. I've played with dice quite a few times and would be more shocked if his play was super active rather than the usual meta-lurky. But he's 'back' and apparently the Watcher. Not fond of day 1 claims. [unvote] Dice 

 

I read through RTE´s posts and found this. I don´t understand if you think Dice is mafia or town. I think you voted Dice because he was "dicey". Now you kind of defends him saying that he is usually lurky. Did anyone use that as a reason for voting him? Why don´t you like D1 claims? Would you still be voting Dice if he hadn´t claimed?

[Niniel]

I find it sad that I will soon be out of good quotes. :(

 

 

Slartibartfast: Is that your robot? 
Marvin: No. I'm mine. 
Arthur: Well, if you call it a robot. It's more like an electronic sulking machine. 

[Nynaeve]

RTE - 16 posts.

 

Shows up after like 16 pages. Greets everyone and says it's gonna be fun. Some spiderman memes and joking about cory passing him in post count. That was inevitable, btw lol

 

Then there's the broken posts he's been doing sporadically that he's failed to explain (3 posts = 1 this time). His observations/summary consist of: FOS at BFG being so active, FOS at Thane for not being active enough and then a lot of fluff (lolz at lee and tina voting each other, liking that des is posting more in smilies, bromances, love in the thread, not making Mish mad yet and bla bla bla bla). Sure, there wasn't much to say in this point but I'm not a fan of him mixing and matching serious FOS and jokes. Wanna keep joking around? great. Wanna start scum hunting? Awesome. Not sure what he was going for with this post, but eh.

 

Then he makes a regular complete post again of another spiderman meme and says goodnight. He shows up a couple of minutes later to bust AJ's chups on lynching the cop at some game where he was town and to egg on Cory to keep spamming to get to page 32.

 

He shows up the next day saying that he's caught up and does 5 broken posts. His observations are: Agrees with AJ that Mish's overreaction is not out of character for her (so I'm guessing he means null), townread on both Cory and Verbal, has AJ as town for now (but adds that if he's not, it'll show as the game progresses), not a fan of dice's posts (want to see more), townread on me, Tina and Des, null on Leelou and Hallia. Then he casts a vote on dice to get him out of the woodwork.

 

In his next two broken posts he says that dice is often hard to read and that his lurkiness is due to being busy RL so it's part of his meta. He points out that another person of interest is BFG, pointing out again that she has been more vocal than usual and now she's fallen quiet. Then he says: Posting is hard sometimes, I suck at counting. O_o

 

Later he unvotes after dice's claim. Mentions that dice is playing within his lurky meta. Throws a comment about not liking day1 reveals. Then he asks to hear more from Pral.

 

 

 

All in all aside from RTE's broken posts I don't really see something that stands out at me aside from possible lurkiness. If you count his broken posts as a post each, he has like 9 posts on the game overall.

 

RTE, what's with the broken posts and what did you mean when you said that posting is hard sometimes and you suck at counting?

 

 

 

Nyn

[Nynaeve]

Nynaeve - I don't see why a lot of people have a townread on her. From my read on her, she is looking like someone who is doing a lot of FoS but not pursuing it a lot, which seems to like setting up for future days. Starte off with AJ but apart from a couple of conevrsations with AJ, doesn't take it further. And, suspecting Mish and taking it a bit ahead but never voting her. The only stance she had was on Dice but she unvoted him even when she is iffy on him and even after arguing on a very minor point. I think there were some FoS on verbal and Des too in her gameplay, from what I remember. I also see her defending Leelou a lot, which I am feeling slightly iffy with. Overall, I feel that she is talking from the sidelines in most issues and her only strong stance was on Dice which she is currently fence-sitting.

 

 

GOATPRAL is no more </3

 

 

 

Nyn

[Leelou]

I probably won't be on until I'm done working today, don't expect me during lunch.

[Nynaeve]

Lazy - 29 posts.

 

4 joke posts.

1 post of voting verbal cause he doesn't trust him and some more jokes.

13 joke posts

 

A weird post of him saying: "Too many posts to quote from phone. So why all this frabbing of people. Some people dont like to be touched ok. And yall, this posturing and making up of intent is funny based on posts made on the net. Its sooo cute. Maybe there is no mafia and all we have to do is find arthur and reunite him with the whale."

 

He says that there are too many posts to quote, implying that he has a lot to say but then he slips back to joking.

 

7 joke posts.

A post where he replies to Leelou when she asks him if he has reads. He simply says yes but doesn't expand.

 

 

Then he says the following, which is basically the only serious post he's done the entire game:

 

So just because i dont openly drae atttention to the fact i am drawing up lists and checking them twice. Im always trying to find who is naughty and nice. I dont need to share just yet. If i see something really worth sharing that is worth risking my neck over i will post it. D1 is always a poopfest i have noticed. There is posturing and namecalling.
Or maybe i dont live in this game and if you kill a townie be it on your head.

Im not ranting just splaining my style. Yall have never seen me play before part from verb. Maybe dice but cant remember.

Tickle me pink and call me the king this is the longest post i have done. :)

 

I'm not debating the fact that every person plays differently and it's true that some players, like Verbal for instance, do most of their scumhunting D2 and onwards. I also find that my casing are more valuable later on, after enough of material has accumulated. But that doesn't mean I can't be actively voicing my opinions and what stands out to me. But lazy literally hasn't said a single thing or took a stance on anyone. Aside from maybe saying that I'm naughty in a townie kind of way.

 

It's easier for scum to stay quiet D1 to facilitate orchestrating a believable read list later on... and also avoid contradicting themselves once impressions are already made on D1. So the fact that lazy is avoiding to even give a couple of leans is bothering me. 25 posts out of his 29 posts are basically fluff.

 

Vote Lazy

 

Might wanna start giving us some reads and taking a more active part in this. Fence sitting isn't going to get us far.

 

 

 

 

Nyn

[Nynaeve]

I probably won't be on until I'm done working today, don't expect me during lunch.

 

Good luck on your first day! :D

 

 

 

 

Nyn