[Basic] Weasley vs Malfoy at the Ministry - Game over - Weasleys win

[Thorum]

Day 1 deadline is Thursday evening: 

 

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20131114T21&p0=48&msg=End+of+day+1, or when the hammer falls.

 

I will be online only shortly on Thursday. As soon as the hammer falls, night starts (and night actions will be accepted). Even if I don't make it official for another 12 hours. Even if that means it immediately becomes day 2 at the above time.

 

Also, a small reminder about the rules: you do not want to not reach a decision.

 

No changes in the votes.

[michellem]

Also got my eye on both Mish and Leelou. Mish for both the N0 balancing discussion I mentioned previously, and her not mentioning CS in her catchup post.

 

The balancing. I'm probably gonna come across as a bitch now, but so be it. I have no idea how experienced Thorum is at playing or modding, and the few times I've seen him play, he hasn't convinced me he's a player that's got a very good grasp about game mechanics and balancing (a lot of people aren't, me included). With the lovers and the PJ and the ghost, I didn't feel like this was a basic game at all, and I worried that the set-up might be unbalanced and thus maybe unwinable for one of the teams, and that it would make the game less fun for everyone. So yeah, I'm probably a bitch for not trusting Thorum.

 

 

And I didn't mention CS because I don't have a read on him yet; I mentioned the players I had a read on. It takes me a bit longer than this to get a read on people, and you should know this about me by now...

[_CLOUD]

Despo is not scum imo.  I don't see anything careful about his play..which is a big scumtell for him. 

 

I don't see why yall haven't found fault with GF.

And maybe he is playing in a different way so that people don't associate his play with his scum meta? It would be a smart move.

 

 

Honestly, it should have been clear for everyone to see, but I was starting the game off aggressive on purpose. Wanted to try and rile things up cause I feared with a long N0, town would be somewhat apathetic. Obviously it's pretty difficult for anyone to be sure of anything at this point, that goes without saying.

 

So can you explain to me what you expected to achieve by voting for a No Lynch right at the start of Day 1?

 

It's day 1. I don't need much reason at all to switch my vote if I feel it necessary. Tbh, I voted BFG on a lark to see her reaction, and actually I was fine with it. For now at least.

This reads as another easy excuse. I agree that you are free to switch your vote whenever you see fit, but I find it suspicious that you switched to BFG after you appeared to be so certain about Csarmi. And now you are saying that you voted for her to test her reaction, and that you were fine with it. These following quotes from you contradict this statement:

 

@BFG: Yes, you were overstating my lack of reaction, and then later were buddying me when talking about the \m/ game.

 

@Leelou: I'd ask you how my prodding makes you feel, but I think that restraining order you took out on me makes it pretty clear.

This was your next post when BFG was done with defending herself. It doesn’t look like you are satisfied with her answer at all, and instead it appears as if you are continuing with your push on her.

 

My vote isn't on Salami

In other words you are still fine with your vote on Salami.

 

 

Yes

 

 

Only when Salami stepped in the spotlight again did you switch your vote back to him.

 

You're once again hedging your bets. First you say you like multiple things about her play, then you say you don't like that she seems to be fencesitting. Do I have to break down why this is scummy Cloud? You're trying to leave yourself an out for whatever situation might arise regarding BFG, this is what I meant when I said mafia like to be slippery and leave themselves wiggle room.

 

So which is it, Cloud? Do you like her play, or not?

You call it hedging my bets, but I always try to look at multiple sides of a story. I liked everything about her play so far, except that she wasn’t voting when I wrote that. I would normally have gotten a slight town read on her, but her not voting made me hesitant. I believe she now voted for Csarmi.

 

How did I forget him? I chose to move my vote elsewhere, and later chose to move it back. I forgot nothing.

You sure didn’t mention him anymore after you moved your vote to BFG, and you only later felt the need to once again overstate your mafia read on him.

 

Your reasoning was weak.

 

A striking example of a solid defense

 

And I don't care how my behavior looks to you, I'm trying to find scum. If I feel like being aggressive and moving my vote around to get reactions, that's my prerogative. You can keep trying to act like your bandwagon vote is justified.

I’m also trying to find scum, and so I will confront people on their scummy behavior.

[_CLOUD]

Eh only the first quote is from Peace. The rest are from Despo. I made a mistake with copy pasting the timetags.

[Verbal32]

Des is right I do wait for something to jump at me D1. Its D1 after all, no DL is set and i wanna be a bit careful. I dont want PR claims D1 yet again.

 

Having said that GF's last post...totally random does not answer anything people have been saying about GF. Lets see if he responds to vote pressure

 

vote GF

 

This struck me as a weird thing to say.

 

 

 

Deliberate coding fail? Don't buy that this was accidental, you ALWAYS correct your own messups, and review the last few posts and whatnot.

There's absolutely no coding fail there. There is no need for bolding or colouring a vote, so I didn't. I was posting it from phone, it was much easier to post this way.

 

I liked Des' questioning there, and I don't like Salami's answer.  He's right, Salami, you're usually extremely consistent on correcting your mistakes right away with a double post - you do it all the time.  I don't know what this says, but it strikes me as odd.  FOS, but not ready to vote you for it.

 

 

 

 

Also got my eye on both Mish and Leelou. Mish for both the N0 balancing discussion I mentioned previously, and her not mentioning CS in her catchup post.

 

The balancing. I'm probably gonna come across as a bitch now, but so be it. I have no idea how experienced Thorum is at playing or modding, and the few times I've seen him play, he hasn't convinced me he's a player that's got a very good grasp about game mechanics and balancing (a lot of people aren't, me included). With the lovers and the PJ and the ghost, I didn't feel like this was a basic game at all, and I worried that the set-up might be unbalanced and thus maybe unwinable for one of the teams, and that it would make the game less fun for everyone. So yeah, I'm probably a bitch for not trusting Thorum.

 

 

And I didn't mention CS because I don't have a read on him yet; I mentioned the players I had a read on. It takes me a bit longer than this to get a read on people, and you should know this about me by now...

 

 

FYI, he's likely more experienced at mafia than most of the players in this game....he just hasn't played consistently in years.

[hazelkrs1]

Freaking crazy sick right now, sorry if I end up not making sense

 

@Mish: Eh /shrug on the balance thing. Still think the fact that that discussion happened in N0 is telling. Think you jumped the gun a bit. As for CS, not sure about your response there. CS had been in the spotlight almost as much as me, I can see you not having a solid read on him, but not mentioning him at all seems strange.

 

@Cloud: It's called a shotgun lead bro. Opened with as many reactive and confrontational posts as I could, to start getting reactions and get gameplay going. Pretty sure I succeeded. This includes both the No Lynch votr and the vote-hopping.

 

You seem to be tunneling now, afraid to back off and get called out for backtracking. When reaction-testing someone (BFG in this case) you don't want to let em off the hook after one post. I followed up my initial pressure, then decided her responses seemed satisfactory to me. I removed my vote, which should have made it clear enough that I was done pursuing that lead for now.

 

Wish I could vote for three people today. Would vote CS, GF, and Cloud.

[_CLOUD]

I think we should policy lynch everyone that doesn´t play exactly like I want them too.

 

Unless Des is using this game to change his mafia meta I don´t think he is mafia.

 

I agree with Tina about the policy lynching. It should be ok for people to play the way they can or want to, provided that they are posting enough and are actually interested in playing the game.

 

 

 

Yea your case didn't seem serious.

 

 

Yet you jumped to follow.

Indeed I did. Your case made me review Despo's play and I found it off, several of his posts pinged me as being of a non-townish Despo.

I'll revise my opinion once I have the time as everyone keeps saying how he's on his town meta and we all know that one billion flies can't be wrong.

 

^ These two posts are totally incongruous. You thought she didn't seem serious, yet her case led you to believe I was scum? That doesn't add up.

 

Also, @ your iso on me. I know you had to come up with something, but sheesh!

 

I actually agree with Despo here. Those two posts from Salami are completely contradicting each other and it appears as if he is just trying to, albeit unsuccessfully, slowly back away.

 

Unvote, vote Cloud.

 

Mostly his association post (and if A flips scum).

 

Gonna go with the flies on Des. Also, scum Despo would have dug himself a hole after a couple of votes.

 

Like Leelou's play so far.

Can't read Verb yet.

Leaning scum on BFG.

Always dislike Dice's game. No exception here.

 

AVM, Mish, Peace, Tina and GF needs to pick up.

 

Least I like the L-3 vote from AVM and Peace got a point.

 

So you are voting for me because I have linked you and Despo in one of my posts, and you have decided to just follow the majority’s opinion regarding Despo.

Why do you like Leelou’s play?

Why are you leaning scum on BFG?

Why do you dislike Dice’s play?

 

 

Des is right I do wait for something to jump at me D1. Its D1 after all, no DL is set and i wanna be a bit careful. I dont want PR claims D1 yet again.

 

Having said that GF's last post...totally random does not answer anything people have been saying about GF. Lets see if he responds to vote pressure

 

vote GF

 

You know very well that PR claiming at D1 will happen anyway. It’s impossible to always lynch mafia at Day 1 in every single game, and the only thing that we can do is try our best.

 

Also, GF has a tendency to not make any sense. What do you think about the rest of the players?

[_CLOUD]

I will be back in the game after dinner.

[Verbal32]

 

I think we should policy lynch everyone that doesn´t play exactly like I want them too.

 

Unless Des is using this game to change his mafia meta I don´t think he is mafia.

 

I agree with Tina about the policy lynching. It should be ok for people to play the way they can or want to, provided that they are posting enough and are actually interested in playing the game.

 

 

So you want to policy lynch players that are inactive?  Sounds like a conversation that has been had around these parts for many years.  A few people get behind the idea every time, and then it goes nowhere.

[csarmi]

 

Deliberate coding fail? Don't buy that this was accidental, you ALWAYS correct your own messups, and review the last few posts and whatnot.

There's absolutely no coding fail there. There is no need for bolding or colouring a vote, so I didn't. I was posting it from phone, it was much easier to post this way.

 

I liked Des' questioning there, and I don't like Salami's answer.  He's right, Salami, you're usually extremely consistent on correcting your mistakes right away with a double post - you do it all the time.  I don't know what this says, but it strikes me as odd.  FOS, but not ready to vote you for it.

 

What mistake?

 

There was no mistake here. I voted whom I wanted to, when I wanted to, how I wanted to and in the formatting I wanted to. I don't intend to use any sort of formatting on the rest of my votes either, especially not when on phone. Not having to color, and not having to bold is something I enjoy.

[csarmi]

@Cloud - I'm not ignoring your points, I'm gonna get back to you when I got home - in a couple of hours. Can't play from phone now cause I dumped my smartphone in the bathtub yesterday and it's drying off :D

[BFG]

@Csarmi, why are you saying you find Verb hard to read but have Mish, Tina, GF, Peace & AVM need to step it up?  http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/85865-basic-weasley-vs-malfoy-at-the-ministry-day-1/?p=3082056

 

 

Deliberate coding fail? Don't buy that this was accidental, you ALWAYS correct your own messups, and review the last few posts and whatnot.

There's absolutely no coding fail there. There is no need for bolding or colouring a vote, so I didn't. I was posting it from phone, it was much easier to post this way.

 

I liked Des' questioning there, and I don't like Salami's answer.  He's right, Salami, you're usually extremely consistent on correcting your mistakes right away with a double post - you do it all the time.  I don't know what this says, but it strikes me as odd.  FOS, but not ready to vote you for it.

 

 

 

 

I'm really not liking the way Verb cuts this quote.  Immediately after 'whatnot' Des states that it's not an error, and thinks Csarmi did it as wifom (see quote below).  Why would you ignore the bit where Des says it's not a coding fail?  FOS on Verb.

 

 

Deliberate coding fail? Don't buy that this was accidental, you ALWAYS correct your own messups, and review the last few posts and whatnot.

 

Just remembered that technically this game doesn't have a specific coding requirement, so meh. Still, I think you would have at least bolded your vote, after bolding and redding the vote on me.

 

My thinking is you might have done this to wifom the link between you and Cloud.

 

 

 

This also seemed strange on reread, since it was the same post and it wasn't an error why mention it? 

 

Des is right I do wait for something to jump at me D1. Its D1 after all, no DL is set and i wanna be a bit careful. I dont want PR claims D1 yet again.

Having said that GF's last post...totally random does not answer anything people have been saying about GF. Lets see if he responds to vote pressure

vote GF

 

You know very well that PR claiming at D1 will happen anyway. It’s impossible to always lynch mafia at Day 1 in every single game, and the only thing that we can do is try our best.

Also, GF has a tendency to not make any sense. What do you think about the rest of the players?

 

 

Why are you only asking Dice, Peace has barely done anything but tunnel on GF (barring a few mafia bandwagon posts) and a post on Csarmi that was only to bring the focus back to GF

 

 

 

@Peace, what do you think on everyone else? What's making you so certain on GF?

@AVM, why the vote on Des?  Any reason?  Any comments on anything else?

@Tina, why the vote on Csarmi? Any response to Leelou?

@Leelou, why do you think Csarmis & Clouds vote are the most suspicious, AVM didn't include any reasoning for his? http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/85865-basic-weasley-vs-malfoy-at-the-ministry-day-1/?p=3081523

[dicetosser1]

@ verbal and cloud

 

   ive been in 2 games recently where rushed voting D1 caused a doc and a cop    real ones   claim on like page 5 of D1. It annoyed me. I dont want to see it again.

[csarmi]

@ verbal and cloud

 

   ive been in 2 games recently where rushed voting D1 caused a doc and a cop    real ones   claim on like page 5 of D1. It annoyed me. I dont want to see it again.

Why not?

[Leelou]

@Leelou, why do you think Csarmis & Clouds vote are the most suspicious, AVM didn't include any reasoning for his? 

 

Because AVM and I play on a different site and I don't find his vote with no reason out of place yet. Later in the game he'll show himself as scum if he is. 

[csarmi]

Alright, so doing a re-read now, things that stand out to me:

• Cloud vs Despo fight sounds - staged. Something's off about this.

  The weirdest part (the part that got me thinking down this line) was when Despo linked me and Cloud together (and called us both scum), then Cloud did the reverse - he linked me and Despo calling us both scum.

  The whole fight is coming off way too strong.

• There's entirely too much parroting of what others said. Half of Cloud's first post is parroting of earlier reasonings. Dice harping on the same absolute thing as Cloud/Des did. Then BFG coming with some parrot job too.
• Another thing that stood out to me is that there were just way too many meta reads on Despo (how his meta is sure town)

[csarmi]

 

Unvote, vote Cloud.

 

Mostly his association post (and if A flips scum).

 

Gonna go with the flies on Des. Also, scum Despo would have dug himself a hole after a couple of votes.

 

Like Leelou's play so far.

Can't read Verb yet.

Leaning scum on BFG.

Always dislike Dice's game. No exception here.

 

AVM, Mish, Peace, Tina and GF needs to pick up.

 

Least I like the L-3 vote from AVM and Peace got a point.

 

So you are voting for me because I have linked you and Despo in one of my posts, and you have decided to just follow the majority’s opinion regarding Despo.

Why do you like Leelou’s play?

Why are you leaning scum on BFG?

Why do you dislike Dice’s play?

 

#Leelou: Her play sounds like solid scumhunting to me so far. I have a townish read on her right now. Not a strong read.

#BFG: I might do a mini-ISo later. Somehow her play doesn't seem to have a natural flow to it. Some parts of it look forced (for instance, her vote on me with the obviously weak reasoning after called out how she wasn't voting).

#Dice: Cause his play is not a town play. He keeps making anti-town arguments, avoids voting, all that stuff. This doesn't necessarily give me a clear scum readon him cause he sound slike this way too often, but anti-town play is just that. Definitely hate his fear-mongering on how PR's might be run up or we might mislynch. I could easily move my vote on him.

#Cloud (you): I don't like your exchange with Despo. I don't like your double standard post (only scum speak in absolutes) and the dismissing of me calling you out on that was off. And yea the linking stuff. I also agree with Despo about you fencing on BFG's play (even though your points on her play are ones I can agree with, the way you posted those points and the fact that you did was just wrong in my book).

[csarmi]

Mishe mini-case.

 

Hellooo. Again a reminder that both -cloud and I will be MIA thursday and friday

So far, so good.

 

This is very confusing. I wouldn't exactly call it a basic game. Has it been balance checked?

Setup talk. On the verge of insulting too. These posts made me vote her come day btw (quite pointless vote in retrospect especially with her being away).

 

 

 

I'm still wondering if you had someone balance-approve this?

Seriously?

 

 

Yes? If it hasn't been checked I'd rather know. I'm asking because I can't see that this is originally a basic set-up, with the lovers and ghost and polyjuice, so I'd like to know if Verb or someone else has checked it, to get more of a feeling of what I can expect of this game.

 

Crossing that line already. Moar setup talk.

 

 

Man I'm beat, I feel hungover today even though I didn't touch a drop of alcohol yesterday.

Spam. 

 

My internet is still not back, I've used up all my free 3G,  I was in a horrible shape this weekend due to over-extending myself on thursday and friday, spent the weekend being halfdead on the couch. Hopefully, internet should be back tomorrow at the latest, and as long as I eat enough painkillers, I'm doing better now, so I should be around more from now on.

 

 

 

Wondering what the 'case' is for the initial GF votes¹? And this is Des' town play for sure.²

(1)I think he only made one post since voting was allowed, asking about the setup. Other than not adding anything to the game, I didn't see a case.

 

(2)Really? Everybody keeps saying this, apparently (too many people to my liking, actually). Seemed scummish Des to me.

 

Scum Des is deliberate - town Des throws everything against the wall to see what sticks.

 

 

Yep, I agree with this. So town read on Des. I'm unsure about Cloud; we talked about recently about him thinking about trying to change his playstyle, since he's so often a d1 lynch; the fact that he hasn't here also makes me feel he's town too really, makes me beleive he doesn't care that much what happens to him.

 

Not much else has stuck in my memory since I've read the game in a very disjointed way, a post here and a post there when I have internet acess.

 

Excuses on not having internet. Nothing but meta-reasoning,

 

 

AVM, Mish, Peace, Tina and GF needs to pick up.

Dude, did you even read my post at the top of this page?

 

Just horrible. Yes I did. Doesn't make my point any less valid. In fact, the fact that she DOES take the time to reply this but again not adding any gameplay is telling to me. 

 

 

Also got my eye on both Mish and Leelou. Mish for both the N0 balancing discussion I mentioned previously, and her not mentioning CS in her catchup post.

 

The balancing. I'm probably gonna come across as a bitch now, but so be it. I have no idea how experienced Thorum is at playing or modding, and the few times I've seen him play, he hasn't convinced me he's a player that's got a very good grasp about game mechanics and balancing (a lot of people aren't, me included). With the lovers and the PJ and the ghost, I didn't feel like this was a basic game at all, and I worried that the set-up might be unbalanced and thus maybe unwinable for one of the teams, and that it would make the game less fun for everyone. So yeah, I'm probably a bitch for not trusting Thorum.

 

And I didn't mention CS because I don't have a read on him yet; I mentioned the players I had a read on. It takes me a bit longer than this to get a read on people, and you should know this about me by now...

 

This one is so very far over the line I just don't even know what to say. Also, again, with her - supposedly - very limited interner time, what is it that she finds time to comment on? No, not the game, obviously. The setup again.

 

I'm speechless, TBH. Completely outraged. Anyone wanna lynch her?

[hazelkrs1]

"Anyone wanna lynch her?" <

 

You had to make sure to gauge the thread this time eh? Didn't want to vote someone you wouldnt have support for again?

 

Lol, you are so scum CS

 

[csarmi]

Yea, proposing a policy lynch, kind of. What do you think?

[Leelou]

Nah, I'd rather vote someone I find scummy. Like oh um YOU. 

[hazelkrs1]

Why policy lynch when we have obvious scum to hang?

 

Other stuff:

 

Obvious teammates CS and Cloud keep trying to link me to the other, quite funny. Although I do appreciate it- the more work they do trying to plant seeds of wifom that I could be scum, they're less likely to NK me. So thanks guys

 

Don't really get BFG's hangups bout the point I made about CS's "deliberate coding fail". Didn't have a problem with the way Verb commented on it. And I'll point out anything that seems a bit off to me, even if a plausible explanation also comes to me while I write about it.

 

Still not liking CS's responses about that btw.

[csarmi]

Despo, I don't know WTF is wrong with you, but ever since you joined this bloody game, you're calling me obvious scum in almost every single one of your post.

 

It's getting to the levels of becoming intolerable.

 

I don't care if you're town. I don't care if you're scum. IDGAF at this point. Find yourself someone else to play with.

 

I'd ask for a replacement if such was possible in this game.

 

This game is becoming absolutely no fun for me. I play maffia to have fun and have a nice game. This is not a nice game.

[csarmi]

Also - I'm off to sleep. Might have a better day tomorrow.

[hazelkrs1]

 

Quit whining. I'm not saying that to be a douche, just calling it like I see it. You've been insulted far more in other games by other people and been fine. I call bullshanks on your AtE rant.