[Advanced] Vacation Mafia! Day 7

[hazelkrs1]

Meh. At least the random hit the one I found scummiest. Sucks to still not have a scum flip to aid in analysis.

 

Will respond with more once I finish audit.

[Kaylee]

Fixed the final vote count

[Kaylee]

Deadline is indeed Sunday night as it says, as does the countdown timer. I said 24 hours because that's standard and I started it for that and realized it would be a weekend so I extended it. (Explanation was for those bugging me about it)

[csarmi]

OK, seriously. Random? Half the game missing? WTF is going on?!

 

Yates and Red never showed up to vote or add their analysis.

Mish comes in, shares her views and don't vote, then don't vote later either?

 

I understand that Tina had to go to sleep.

 

Pral's appearing to consolidate 1 hour after the deadline but at least he did argue and vote a train before.

Krak said he'd be off getting drunk so I could just buy his actions, question is whether his train was being stalled. I have a hard time believing that people just don't show up and that's it.

Key came in to consolidate, but quite late too.

 

I'd have to look up what RTE/Despo said about them coming back. They did add their comments and voted a train, at least.

 

BG's claim make sense to me, but shouldn't he be more active arguing/hunting, showing more presense around the deadline nor smth?

 

Anyway.

 

What I get from this is people just don't care. I have every bloody deadline at 5:30 in the morning. I'm not going to bother waking up again.

[hazelkrs1]

So after going back over the last few pages again, gotta say I'm fairly confident that GF was scum (I mean, obviously since I was voting him, but I'm even more confident than before bout it). Mostly cause I think him posting as much as he did around the deadline to encourage others to vote was for town cred, and I found enough people softdefending him, some of whom I'm also suspect of.

 

Other stuff:

 

 

BG: Links a lot of people together on day 1, which I find scummy. He said Lenlo was Tress´s scum mate since he questioned her train. He then said that Tress, Lenlo and Krak are scum for preassuring Hally. Says that Lenlo pushing Mish, probably makes Mish town. Then on day 2 he vote Mish because she pings because of her vote on the Peace wagon. Says that Darthe isn´t helpful, which he´s right about. On day 2 he votes Tress for not being helpful. He says that if people want to be lazy they should pick another player than the leading train so to get competing trains. It´s funny that he says that since he was voting on the longest train, with not a very strong reason. Today he is laying low because he wants to know what Yates is talking about. I have a scum read on BG. I don´t see any scumhunting. I don´t think HE has been very helpful. 

 

 

 

Des - these are my reasons. His reason for voting Mish felt weird, like he had to come up with something to not look like bandwagoning. He told people not to lazy vote when he did so himself. He says people aren´t helpful (which he was right about) but ain´t really helpful himself. I don´t see any scumhunting. I guess it´s also a lot about meta - I expect more from BG. 

 

 

I´m definitely fence-sitting when it comes to GF, as you can see. But it has got nothing to do with bussing or not. If Mish haven´t viewed him town he will be in the top for scummy players. I don´t know, I keep second guessing myself. It´s just that I can´t understand GF. 

 

 

Eh reasoning's not too bad I guess. Still think there was more evidence on others than BG, but eh. Also don't like how you seemed to really want Mish's reads to find out if BG was really town or not, looks like you being too self-conscious of how your vote could look if he was one of her town views.

 

I wrote a lot of things, but you only commented about my fence-sitting on GF. Why don´t you comment on my other reads as well. It feels strange that you read all of that but only commented on me not voting for the one you are voting for. 

 

That was the only thing I felt commenting on at the time. Weak defense.

 

Some quick reactions to Des before lunch.
 

Also wary of Ishy/CSarmi, he posted a lot of fluff early on before he got replaced, bandwagoned a ton without EVER giving reasons for his vote, yet tried to act affronted when called out for lurking, trying to point to a high post count even tho he never said anything of value. CS since he has come in has seemed to be constantly apologizing for not being caught up yet, and seems more amiable in general. For those who know CS's meta, this is a bad thing. He tends to buddy and mini-mod a lot more as scum, is more aggressive as town. But he's very good at posting filler cases, where he pretty much just quotes a bunch of stuff without really adding much to the game.

This sounds weak. I don't think I've added much to the game. Actually, I don't believe that I've added enough for you to pull meta arguments on me. Sad, but true.
Please show me posting filler cases or buddying.

Not sure what you mean by mini-modding, care to explain? I got an idea, but I might be wrong as that is something I do in every game, regardless of alignment or position.
 

 

Catching up. Middle of D1.

Amazingly I agree with all of Ishy posts.

Len and Tress look scum. Despo makes me wanna policy lynch him (the Hally push).

Players that caught my attention (in some way): Mish, Peace, BG. That and Darthe's scum reveal. Buying Hally's reveal for now.

 
Awful post. Pretty much EVERYONE he names here in this post as someone he thinks is scum or is paying attention to (or in my case, wants to policy lynch), is either town (me and Mish, who I have as solid town atm), confirmed town (Len, Tress, Peace) or BG. And his point on me, for the policy lynch thing, is stupid. I don't like Hallia posting fluff. I have made this clear. Don't care if others don't join me, in games I'm in with her I might push this if I see her camping on the sidelines yet again. Nothing personal, it's mafia.

 

I don't get what you find wrong with this post.
I started reading up and gave my opinions as I went (yea, not much of it, I bit off more than I could chew and couldn't finish up right there). You noted yourself there was a lot of town on town violence going on D1. How is it surprising that the prominent players caught my attention?

For the record, BG stood out to me as townish, Mish and Peace as very controversial.

 

 

You're going to have to wait for a mini-iso on just your posts since joining the game.

 

Mini-modding = trying to look like the helpful townie, asking about deadlines, posting vc's, etc. Not scumhunting but looking like you're trying to help. Scummy. And I don't care that you do this in a lot of games, I don't dismiss scummy behavior because of meta.

 

Mish and Peace as "very controversial"? Can you explain what you mean there?

 

At the time you posted that quote I posted, Tress and Peace hadn't flipped as town yet. You were "catching up" for quite a while. This read to me like you trying to lay the foundation for you to vote them later with your teammates.

 

@ Des:

 

 

 

Key looks bad to me. Tried too hard to case Darthe early day 1, overuses scum buzzwords like super defensive, and has gone somewhat underground lately. Easily see her as scum.

 

 

 

I didn't case Darthe.  I told him he wasn't helping things by how he was playing and he asked for proof of how he wasn't so I gave him an iso on why.  If you went back and reread, you should have easily seen that.  I can go back and quote the exchange for you if you'd like.

 

I don't think I've been 'underground'.  I'm posting when I can. 

 

I know exactly what you're talking about, I was already aware of that.

 

Fact is, you posted a multiquote flurry all making essentially the same point, that Darthe wasn't helping. That sounds more like something negative to say about someone than positive. Ergo, you were casing him. Not saying you were voting him, or were casing him hard. But you were pulling evidence and displaying it in a way to make someone look bad. That's casing imo. Or do you wanna dispute semantics? Scum LOVE disputing semantics.

 

Not underground, but not posting until you see someone say your name. Gotcha.

[hazelkrs1]

Was somewhat paranoid that peeps like GF and CS might have been posting a ton of smaller posts to try and push my iso cases back so others wouldn't read em, so I'm reposting em here

 

Okay so here's my big ol wot reread post. Skim at your own peril.

 

Eh after finishing, decided to be nice and seperate it into little iso cases on the top peeps I found during reread, followed by other random stuff. You're welcome.

 

First I will start off with something worth pointing out however, especially for any going back to try a reread of their own.

 

 

 

VOTE DARTHE.

 

Introducing wifom already and early distracting from game talk. 

Early distracting from game talk my ass. Theres next to no game to talk about yet. The only valid reason you have to vote him is the wifom from his vote on me cause of the extra text.

 

INTRODUCING LENLO.  The arbiter of valid votes...and Darthe's buddy.

 

 

Really I'm only quoting this to kinda show how the highest trains/only people in the spotlight day 1 have all flipped town. Peace, Lenlo, Tress, and Darthe were the only ones receiving attention that day, and all ended up being townies.

 

The reason I'm highlighting this is because for anyone else going back to try rereading, look for both lurky play day 1, and people playing the sideline. That's where you will find scum. With all the town-on-town violence, they didn't have to do much but sit back and nudge and bandwagon. That leads to my findings on a few players:

 

 

AJ ISO:

 

 

Ah gotcha. So not even enough to wet your throat basically?

 

I drink pretty casually myself. Most of the time it's just kind of a nightcap thing... my partying days kind of went to the backseat after my son was born.

 

Anywho... nobody wants to talk about Darthe admitting he was scum and Peace biting?

 

Notice AJ nudging both Darthe and Peace. Also funny cause he later talks about how he hates people focusing on Darthe's statement, even tho he tried getting people to talk about it earlier.

 

unvote

 

Peace going after Darthe that early gives me good vibes about him for now. Not digging the WIFOM on Darthe's part... meh.

 

I'll vote Hallia

 

AJ bandwagons, and bemoans Darthe's WIFOM, even tho by talking about it and encouraging others to talk about it, you're actually CONTRIBUTING to it. So yeah.

 

unvote Hallia

 

vote Tress

 

Probably too soon for that Hally, but hey.

 

Bad for both the blatant bandwagon (leaves one townie train to join the other), and for the again classic scum move of scolding a town PR for revealing too early

 

 

really Mish, you give up so soon.   we're not lynching the person you want so you take your vote and go home.  hmmmmm

 

 

 

Right because I really express my unwavering belief of her claim in these posts. Are you intentionally over exaggerating?

 

 

 

no i'm calling it like I see it.  you pulled your vote off (a crappy bandwagon vote I might add) with a half assed reveal, half assed questioning it then shrugging it off in the same sentence.  then, instead of questioning Hally on her actions (tbh the vote isn't the only semi scummy ping I got from her) you go after the main person questioning her claim and ONLY after others started the FoS of fishing on her.   opportunistic much.

 

then you say your giving a person the benefit of the doubt.  why?  who gives someone benefit of the doubt in this game.  not unless you know her alignment, and given its Day 1, the only way that's possible is if your scum.

 

The benefit of the doubt thing is that she revealed. You're really stretching to call me scum for that. Yeah, she soft claimed at first and didn't really tell her role until today but there was, and still is, opportunity for someone to CC. Until then, I'd rather not lynch a claimed PR soft claim or not. There are ways to check her in the Night phases.

 

AJ please answer me this: How do you CC a soft PR claim? How do you vet it?

 

I'll save you some time. YOU CAN'T. THAT'S why soft claims are so scummy.

 

So yeah, you instantly accepting the PR soft claim was, is, and will always be scummy.

 

 

unvote; vote Lenlo

 

Doesn't look like there's any other place to go with just over 2 hours until DL.

 

Des, your list of scum is extremely counter intuitive. Why would you put both Lenlo and Tress down on the same team when they are voting each other? And please, don't give me some long winded explanation about how they are trying to distance.

 

 

 

Extremely Un-Official Vote Count

 

Lenlo (7): Despo, Ishy, BG, Tress, Red, Aemon, AJ

Peace (1): Hally
Tress (3): Key, Darthe, Lenlo
Hally (2): Krak, Peace

Mish (1): Yates

 

Not Voting (4): Pral, RTE, NotBob, Mish

With 18 alive it takes 10 to lynch.
Deadline: Friday Evening 9:30pm MST http://www.timeandda...msg=Day 1&csz=1

 

 

Btw, I stand corrected. It WAS AJ. Coulda sworn it was Aemon that wrote this post.

 

As far as what's wrong with this post, AJ bandwagons yet again on another townie, says it's for consolidation, uses awful reasoning in trying to criticize my reads (already responded to it a while ago), and tries to look like the helpful townie by posting the unofficial vc.

 

 

 

ISHY/CS ISO:

 

 

Vote Songstress.

 

 

 

Vote Songstress.

</3
Because?

Gut.

 

 

Bandwagon without reasoning, and then just says "gut" when asked for reasoning

 

Don't worry Hobbit, you aren't todays lynch.

Unvote. Vote Jay Lenlo.

 

Ishy bandwagons from one townie (Tress) to another (Lenlo). And buddies a (soft) claimed PR to boot.

 

 

Ishy: Do you honestly think she's playing pro-town? Straight answer plz.

Yes, I do. A pro-Town Hobbit game.

Seriously, this mindset of attacking her play each and every game is really starting to piss me off. The poor girl works 10-12 hour days, six days a week and is on call the seventh. She meets every mods expectation of activity, and still everyone blasts her for inactivity. It hurts her feelings terribly and it's effing disgusting.

Not directed at you Mish, but in general.

 

 

 

Better not be at me, I haven't said a thing about her general play, just this one game.
 
And you now effeciantly guilt-tripped everyone into not being able to vote her this game.

I doubt that. No one gives a crap what I say anyway.

 

 

Two straight AtE posts from Ishy

 

Vote Peasmells.

 

Bandwagon vote on a townie with no explanation given. Ishy would be the Kevin Durant to AJ's Lebron this game.

 

If we don't count Kay-mod, I'm third in post count.

Lurky indeed.

 

Ishy acts pretty prickly about being called out for lurking, but dude, he def lurked hardcore before subbing out. Would be a classic example of scum posting fluff and blargon to inflate their post count without actually having to offer true game thoughts. Seriously, try out an ISO on Ishy. You'll see what I'm saying.

 

This was the last thing I grabbed from Ishy, he was replaced by CS not too long after this if I'm not mistaken

 

Catching up. Middle of D1.

Amazingly I agree with all of Ishy posts.

Len and Tress look scum. Despo makes me wanna policy lynch him (the Hally push).

Players that caught my attention (in some way): Mish, Peace, BG. That and Darthe's scum reveal. Buying Hally's reveal for now.

 

Awful post. Pretty much EVERYONE he names here in this post as someone he thinks is scum or is paying attention to (or in my case, wants to policy lynch), is either town (me and Mish, who I have as solid town atm), confirmed town (Len, Tress, Peace) or BG. And his point on me, for the policy lynch thing, is stupid. I don't like Hallia posting fluff. I have made this clear. Don't care if others don't join me, in games I'm in with her I might push this if I see her camping on the sidelines yet again. Nothing personal, it's mafia.

 

 

 

Had to split it in two, second following immediately

 

[hazelkrs1]

KEY ISO:

 

 

 

I like Mish's point about Hallia calling out Krak for being lazy and then just jumping on a train.  I didn't like Hallia's explanation though. 

 

 

 

I always expect crazy gambits from Darthe.

 

Always.

 

Methinks we will find out soon enough if this is true.

 

 

Sounds joke-y, but if you always expect a crazy gambit why not give it more thought than just we'll see?

 

Furthermore, not really feeling the phrase "soon enough"?  If you think he's mafia, shouldn't you be voting him right now?

 

Happy with my vote, atm.

 

Although I don't have a problem with Key's reasoning here, it's a classic scum move to justify keeping a joke vote on someone for something that happens later. That way they can come out with the ever popular scum line: "Huh, maybe I was onto something after ALL with my joke vote..."

 

(edited out Key's multiquote case on Darthe)

 

Seemed way too early for a multiquote case, and also seemed to be trying too hard. Can't remember specifically where this came, but it was early day 1.

 

You guys are crazy; IPAs are no bueno.  Stout is where it's at!

 

 

 

Wellllll I'm NOT from NC or SC, how do you like them apples?

 

 

 

I'd like to see Hallia's explanation before I weigh in.

 

I already mentioned in an earlier fos on Key that I don't like how she kept going offtopic in her earlier posts. Read to me like someone trying to feign nonchalance, or to keep others talking about offtopic stuff to distract from the scumhunt

 

Not caring too much for rolefishing or soft claiming. I dislike the timing of the reveal more than the soft claim though. It was not even slightly necessary.

 

Scum love scolding peeps for early claims, to try and look townie. Said the same about AJ when he scolded Hallia for the early claim.

 

 

 

Songstress, on 18 Oct 2013 - 12:27 PM, said:

 

Here's Key, who had her joke vote on me and decided to try to justify keeping it there, twice. 

 

In response to the bold, I never said I thought Darthe was mafia.  I said I always expect he's pulling some sort of crazy gambit, but truth be told he never is when I expect it (see Basel's Pizza game for example).  I expect it, but I don't believe it, and there was no reason to vote him.  And there are ways to find out if he is, which I expect will be utilized at some point.

 

She then went on a questioning spree of everyone who voted me with no reason or little reason, which looks awfully townie of her, but then came back to deciding to keep her vote on me because "I'm off my meta", whatever that is supposed to mean.  Truth, Key, how often have you played with me lately?  What is my meta now?  What is my meta when I'm at work and have very restricted internet access and little time to post on my phone?  What responses of mine did you consider "weird"?

 

Serious mafia vibe from Key right now.  And if she and Ishy are mafia together I will be most put out, because he and I still never have been

 

 

Decide to try and justify?  In a game of mafia, NOT saying why you are voting someone is hardly seen at good playing.  Note all the people that I, and others, have called out for not justifying their vote.  Skipping over your second point for a minute to discuss the third.  It wasn’t because they were voting you that I questioned them.  It was because they were voting for no reason, which I don’t happen to care for.  If we all just did that it would be a very boring and not very telling game, wouldn’t it?

 

Back to your feelings on Darthe for a second.  That’s a lovely explanation and all, but you didn’t say all that.  This is what you said:

 

I always expect crazy gambits from Darthe.

 

Always.

 

Methinks we will find out soon enough if this is true.

 

 

That in itself, alone, sounds scummy. I don’t feel the need to say anything else because I think it mostly speaks for itself.

Regarding your meta.  You sound super defensive Tress.  I’m not even pressuring you, yet you’re lashing out at me.  I haven’t played with you lately, true.  Pretty obvious considering I haven’t played with anyone lately.  I’m going off meta from games I’ve read to get myself back into the mindset of the game where you are playing.  Also, probably admittedly some from when I played with you before.

In regards to your activity, you seemed to have a lot of time during night 0 when everyone was just having fun and shooting the breeze.  Then you died down and have said little since then.  You never mentioned having limited access (until after this post), am I just supposed to know that for some reason?

 

What have I said that’s giving you mafia vibes right now other than you not liking me questioning people for their voting reasoning?

 

The quote got messed up by Key when she submitted it, I blue'd what I'm pretty sure are her remarks. Main thing I found scummy was her saying Tress was sounding super defensive and lashing out at Key. I don't think that Tress was that defensive, and def wasn't lashing out at Key. Pretty sure Key is scum from how she uses the ever-popular scum buzzword "defensive" here.

 

Okay, apparently I need to re-explain. Here is the post:

 

I always expect crazy gambits from Darthe.

 

Always.

 

Methinks we will find out soon enough if this is true.

 

Read what peace said and then read what you said.  It sure sounds like you think he's mafia, because you always expect crazy gambits like peace suggested.  Then, you repeat always to further the point.  Then you think you will find out "soon enough" as if you think he is but can't be bothered to vote him right now.

 

Why does it bother you so much that I mentioned why I kept my vote on you twice?  The first one was pages back so I was restating it.

 

Meta reasons based on fairly current games that I've read to get my mind back in the game?  I don't see how that's out of date. 

 

I still don't understand what I've done, other than vote for you, that makes you think I'm scummy.

 

Don't think Tress was saying she thought Darthe was mafia at all there. In fact, more the opposite, she was soft defending him.

 

Also REALLY don't like the last line there. Smells of whyme fryme.

 

Don't have enough time to go into much right now; I'll be back in the morning with more. But saw my name so wanted to ask dice what you mean by me only posting mod type stuff? Please explain.

 

Somewhat whyme frymeish, but more importantly, TWO people had already brought this point up against Key (me and Tress, and actually Red might've said something about this as well), you doing the "helpful townie/minimod" routine. You had already responded to the issue.

 

You acting like you don't know what Dice is referring to here sets off MAJOR red flags.

 

 

I didn't say "can't be bothered", I said "I don't feel like", and i explained the day after why I didn't feel like it. Of course, you can choose to not believe me on that (although I do dare you to find one single game where I've lied about RL stuff to get off the hook), that's your choice.

 

I know it's been pointed out before, but this doesn't sit right with me either.  'Can't be bothered' and 'I don't feel like' equate to the same thing.  Also, getting super defensive over possibly lying about RL stuff is weird.  That's the nature of playing on the internet.  We don't know if you are or not, so it seems pretty obvious that people would question it. 

 

Uh oh! Here comes Mr. Grumpy Pants! (sorry, had to type that once I typed uh oh. My 6 yr old daughter says that to me all the time if I start to get irritated, makes me laugh every time! ) that "super defensive" thing again!

 

 

 

1. Voting a somewhat outdated read, and an outlier at that?

Regarding Number 1, I agree that Red’s vote for Andrej is weird, if only because I feel that we have more evidence on others. 

 

Only quoted this for reference because Key defends AJ here, someone who looked VERY scummy to me on reread.

 

 

 

 

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Other stuff:

 

 

 

What gives you the impression they are random?

 

 

I am not . I am asking :)

 

Didn't quote this whole exchange, but at the beginning of the game, Pray asked when the joke stage would end, and RTE pressed him on this for a bit. Don't like Pray's reaction on reread. Looks like both slight buddying and like Pray trying to keep from answering more questions.

 

 

Well we have a deadline tomorrow, isn't this fun?

 

Although I'll join Des on Vote Hallia . I like that train better than the Peace-train.

 

What makes you "like" Hally train better than Peace train? 

 

 

Not a fan of the sarcastic quotes here from Pray. Looks like scum trying to discredit on word usage.

 

 

So, how many here think that darthe may want to pull off the "I can claim I'm scum and get away with it" play?  I think it is well within his meta to try to pull a stunt like that just for fun. 

 

 

I always expect crazy gambits from Darthe.

 

Always.

 

Methinks we will find out soon enough if this is true.

 

 

Fwiw, this was one of the big posts that made me suspect Tress early in the game. Soft defends Darthe, the "soon enough" line seemed too cryptic, etc.

 

Vote Tress

 

BG bandwagoning onto Tress without reasoning. Remember what I said about stuff to look out for on day 1 with so many townies getting focused on.

 

The Peace train resistance is telling. As is the hyperbole surrounding the Peace defense.

 

"Where's the poop, Ted?"

 

Think I had one other quote from Yates, but deleted it. He's been extremely lurky this game, bandwagoned a couple of times and that's it.

 

 

 

 

TL;DR: There was a ton of town-on-town violence day 1. Darthe, Len, Peace, and Tress were pretty much the only ones in the spotlight, and all flipped town. So scum would have been happy to lurk, bandwagon, and nudge trains all day.

 

AJ (GF) and Ishy (CS) fit this to a T. Krak and Yates have been pretty lurky as well, and I believe Yates had a bandwagon vote or two at times. But AJ (GF) and Ishy (CS) easily look crazy scummy after reread. Especially AJ, as he has shown that as town he is more than willing to give reasoning for his votes. Pretty much the norm for Ishy's play, but that doesn't make it any less scummy in this instance.

 

Key looks bad to me. Tried too hard to case Darthe early day 1, overuses scum buzzwords like super defensive, and has gone somewhat underground lately. Easily see her as scum.

 

Rock solid scum reads:

 

GF (AJ), Key, CS (Ishy)

 

Didn't do much townhunting tbh. Can't be that many left in any case.

 

Pretty sure I'm already voting him, but jic Unvote, Vote GF. Also thought I had quotegrabbed some of GF's posts, I might do mini-iso's on the replacements (GF and CS) if I feel like it later. But if you read my case on AJ, I think it's pretty clear that GF is scum.

[Niniel]

Meh. At least the random hit the one I found scummiest. Sucks to still not have a scum flip to aid in analysis.

 

Will respond with more once I finish audit.

 

*sigh* I still don´t know. For a while he sounded townie again but then... Maybe I should just accept that I can´t read him, not even of the few posts that I understand.

 

I´m happy that Mish cleared you since you are one of the most active players here. 

[bgrishinko]

 

BG: Links a lot of people together on day 1, which I find scummy. He said Lenlo was Tress´s scum mate since he questioned her train. He then said that Tress, Lenlo and Krak are scum for preassuring Hally. Says that Lenlo pushing Mish, probably makes Mish town. Then on day 2 he vote Mish because she pings because of her vote on the Peace wagon. Says that Darthe isn´t helpful, which he´s right about. On day 2 he votes Tress for not being helpful. He says that if people want to be lazy they should pick another player than the leading train so to get competing trains. It´s funny that he says that since he was voting on the longest train, with not a very strong reason. Today he is laying low because he wants to know what Yates is talking about. I have a scum read on BG. I don´t see any scumhunting. I don´t think HE has been very helpful. 

 

Des - these are my reasons. His reason for voting Mish felt weird, like he had to come up with something to not look like bandwagoning. He told people not to lazy vote when he did so himself. He says people aren´t helpful (which he was right about) but ain´t really helpful himself. I don´t see any scumhunting. I guess it´s also a lot about meta - I expect more from BG. 

 

 

I´m definitely fence-sitting when it comes to GF, as you can see. But it has got nothing to do with bussing or not. If Mish haven´t viewed him town he will be in the top for scummy players. I don´t know, I keep second guessing myself. It´s just that I can´t understand GF.

 

 

Forgot about this, I suppose I better respond. Thanks Despo for reminding me.

 

re: linking people day 1 - I don't believe I was doing this, though I can see why you'd think that. I voted Tress for what seemed obvious reasons at the time, Lenlo was oddly defensive, so I accused him of being a teammate. That wasn't about linking, it was about his being overly defensive for no reason. If we had lynched Tress day 1, I still would have found Lenlo scummy for being overly defensive of her. Krak I was suspicious of because he was very clear that he believed Tress was scum but then randomly threw his vote on someone he was less sure about. Odd play. None of the reasonings are really connected. 

 

re: Voting Mish over Peace vote:

 

Ok I won't be able to catch up all today, I'm up to page 20 now and it's 2.30 am and I wanna go to bed. But quick impression so far:

 

I'd forgotten a lot of stuff, with being not well last week + first time in months andmonths I've been in three games, so a lot of stuff jsut didn't stick in my memory.

 

There's been a lot of little things with Peace that's pinged softly, I haven't gathered quotes while re-reading now cause Ive msotly been skimming to freshen things up, but it's definatly a train I can agree with. Not so much for the things he's said today, as D1 when he was a bit all over the place. so unvote vote Peace, we have a deadline tomorrow and I feel confident enough in his train now.

 

Tress is still my number 2 suspect, longer case on why comes tomorrow when I§ve been able to fnish reading and tidying up my notes a bit.

This is Mish's reasoning to vote Peace. It put Peace at L-2. Tell me this vote doesn't sound off. I wasn't the only one who didn't understand the pressure Peace was getting and this added to my suspicions.

 

re: Voting on longest train with no reasoning

 

I'm not sure where this one comes from. Vote counts below.

 

 

 

 

Official Vote Count

 

 

Tress (2): Darthe, Leno

Hally (2): Krak, Peace, 

Leno (9): Despo, Ishy, BG, Tress, Red, Aemon, AJ, NotBob, Key, Hally

Mish (1): Yates

 

Not Voting (3): Pral, RTE, Mish 

 

With 18 alive it takes 10 to lynch.

Deadline: Friday Evening 9:30pm MST http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20131018T2130&p0=197&msg=Day+1&csz=1

 

That's a lynch!

 

 

Official Vote Count

 

 

Mish (2): Dice, Key  

Peace (9): RTE, Despo, Yates, NotBob,Mish, Krak, Tress, GF, BG

AJ (1): Red

Key (1): Darthe

Tress (1): Peace

 

Not Voting (1): Pral

 

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch. Deadline Wednesday 9:30pm MST http://www.timeandda...0=197&msg=Day 2

 

That's a lynch! Scene will be up shortly

 

 

Final Vote Count

 

Tress (7): Dice, BG, Key, GF, Darthe, Mish, Yates, Csarmi

GF (2): Krak, Red

BG (1): RTE

Pral (1): NotBob

Red (1): Despo

 

Not Voting (2): Tress, Pral

 

That's a lynch! scene incoming!

 

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch. Deadline is Monday October 28th at 9:30pm MST http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20131028T2130&p0=197&msg=D3&csz=1

 

 

 

I thought I was pretty clear on my reasoning for each of these votes at the time even if I didn't say a lot. Lenlo ended up being more suspicious than Tress over his over defensiveness and seemingly KNOWING she was town. Peace was simply consolidation right before deadline to avoid random. Tress I've been suspicious of all along and I definitely wasn't just "on the longest train." So if you were referring to a different train I was on, please be more specific.

 

:re No scumhunting, not helpful.

 

While I haven't been as talkative this game, I wouldn't say I haven't been scumhunting and not helpful. Quantity =/= quality.

[Niniel]

As I said, I weren´t there, maybe I would have reacted the same way. When I read the game I already knew who would turn up town later on. But I still can´t say that I have seen much scum hunting from you. You have only voted for the people who got lynched and all of them was town. I´m used to seeing more analysis from you. Not sure if I believe your claim or not. There are probably another doc and maybe you are that doc. 

[Kaylee]

Tress is now stepping in as co-mod since my wedding is next Saturday.

[Songstress]

Just a reminder since it was announced in the sign-up thread and it's now upon us:

 

oh and from Nov 1st to Nov 5th i'll be on total LOA due to my mom flying in and Bridal Party/Bachelorette shit.

[Pralaya]

Congrats kay. Have fun :)

[csarmi]

I edited out the quote for easier reading.

 

You're going to have to wait for a mini-iso on just your posts since joining the game.

Great. Will you also add your thoughts on the rest of the players? 

 

Mini-modding = trying to look like the helpful townie, asking about deadlines, posting vc's, etc. Not scumhunting but looking like you're trying to help. Scummy. And I don't care that you do this in a lot of games, I don't dismiss scummy behavior because of meta.

Not sure what to say to this. Why on earth would that be scummy? Never thought someone would see it like that.

Just so you know, I don't ask those questions to look like I was trying to help. I'm asking a lot of questions because I like things nice, clear, and well-defined.

 

Mish and Peace as "very controversial"? Can you explain what you mean there?

Sure. They were quite a bit "out there" with questionable play. Especially about the Hally reveal. Not necessarily scum, but certainly a point of interest.

 

At the time you posted that quote I posted, Tress and Peace hadn't flipped as town yet. You were "catching up" for quite a while. This read to me like you trying to lay the foundation for you to vote them later with your teammates.

I see why you're singling out Tress and Peace, but Mish hasn't flipped either. BTW, I voted Mish later that day.

 

Look, you believe what you will. I did just what I said I was doing, reading up and commenting. Not sure what you mean by "quite a while, btw".

 

Check the timestamps. Spoilered it because it isn't that much relevant.

 

 

 

Hello guys.

 

I'm heading to sleep and I'll try to catch up tomorrow. I only followed this thread on N0.

My first post was at 03:50 in the morning. Kay contacted me, I said yes, got the role PM, posted this, then went back to sleep. 

 

Catching up. Middle of D1.

 

Amazingly I agree with all of Ishy posts.

 

Len and Tress look scum. Despo makes me wanna policy lynch him (the Hally push).

 

Players that caught my attention (in some way): Mish, Peace, BG. That and Darthe's scum reveal. Buying Hally's reveal for now.

 

My second post was at 08:36 in the morning, I'd guess after like like 30 minutes of reading?

 

Well this didn't go as well as I thought. Brain refuses to work. Skimmed a lot.

 

I just can't see why Peace would focus so hard on Hally if he were scum. Low gain, high risk.

 

Sounds more like he's having a genuine scum read on her. Not sure why. It's a read I disagree with. Even if that weren't the case, I wouldnt eanba pursue that lynvh now, the timing's just bad.

 

Mish's play pinged me all over the place. A lot of questionable things she did are things I seen her done several times tho. I dunno. Leaning scum. I could vote there.

 

vote Mish

 

BG gave me town vibes.

 

Reading Red and Despo townish but those are two players I'd always be weary off. Especially cause I couldn't get myself to read all their wots.

 

There was some point about Krak (BG brought it up) that makes me suspect him. It was about his vote not matching his opinion. Unfortunately BG's quote was all messed up, gotta check Krak's ISO.

 

Tress I'm very unsure of now. Slipped under the radar but my scummish read on her turned into a conflicted read around the start of d2 PR so.

 

This is what I got so far. Will check a few things when I have some time.

 

Also: sorry if i m not around much. Very busy week. National holiday today so I got some time off but busy ad hell otherwise. Also this is my 3rd game and I can hardly handle two at once. Accepted to sub in to help, but will only be able to give it limited focus.

My third post was at 09:37 in the morning.

 

 

 

[csarmi]

@Pral: are you saying that being on all the trains is a maffia trait, or is it more like the way AJ/GF joined them?

 

Starting to make sense.

 

Scum team in order of certainty:

 

BG

GF

Talya

Key/Yates/Krak

 

I feel like Darthe or Ishy. Onward to victory.

Who is that you wanted to write instead of Talya?

  

I'm going to a Halloween party and Idk if I'll be able to be back on before deadline. I'll check back if I can.

 

@CS - in my experience lurkers tend to be vanilla town.

 

@RTe - I don't see how all these people thinking I'm scummy is 'not standing out'.

 

CS's posts today make me feel less sure about my scum read.

 

Glad to see GF contributing more posts that make sense. Claiming that early as scum would take balls considering he'd have to know he'd get flak for it.

 

Not sure on my reads, need to go back through. Feel iffy but going to

unvote, vote krak

I find it strange that you don't comment on BG's claim at all. Why not?

While there, what do you think about the night's events? So how do you feel about Krak? What about GF, for that matter?

[michellem]

Csarmi: i told you guys yesterday i eas going to a party. I popped in with my reads, but the rest of theevenibg all i thought about was my friends, the music, the costumes, and the drinkinh. I was home at 5 in the morning, stupidly drunk. Yeah i should have voted, but i didnt wsnba sit on my phone st the party, I didnt even read the thread when I came on, just posted

[Kaylee]

Congrats kay. Have fun :)

Thanks

[Kaylee]

All NA's are in scene incoming!

[Kaylee]

Strange as it seemed the night passed by uneventfully and peacefully. When they had all gathered in the morning they were shocked to realize nobody was missing. The lack of a new death had them wondering and a bit nervous...

 

 

 

It is now Day. 

[Kaylee]

Official Vote Count

 

Not Voting (11): Mish, Yates, Csarmi, Key, BG, Tina, Pral, Despo, Krak, RTE, Red

 

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch. 

 

Deadline is Tuesday Nov 5th 9:00pm MST http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20131105T21&p0=197&msg=D5

[michellem]

BG is lying about his claim, he is NOT town.

 

Now LISTEN UP. I don't want a rush lynch. I want discussion about other players. BG will be todays lynch, but I don't wanna waste this valuable time. Also, let's ignore every single thing that BG chooses to post from now on. Everyone please say "Aye aye Mish" to show that the message have been recieved.

 

 

I'm feeling pretty damn bad today, so I won't be on much before I go to bed. But first thing tomorrow morning I'm gonna read through D3 and D4.

[bgrishinko]

False.

 

I want Yates on here. When he asked if we knew whether Mish was TOWN cop it got me thinking... I think we are dealing with cultafia and I think Yates is unrecruitable, that's why he asked it. Mish has been compromised. 

 

When you lynch me at the end of the day and see my flip... you will know everything I have just said is true.

[michellem]

Shush on you, wifom-spreading scummy.

[bgrishinko]

Vote Mish

[Kaylee]

Official Vote Count

 

Mish (1): BG

 

Not Voting (10): Mish, Yates, Csarmi, Key, Tina, Pral, Despo, Krak, RTE, Red

 

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

 

Deadline is Tuesday Nov 5th 9:00pm MST http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20131105T21&p0=197&msg=D5