THE METAL - End: Dinner for Wolves

[Yates]

Have started but won´t be able to finish until my daughter goes to bed. I´m having so much fun with this game so do not lynch me before I get the chance to give my thoughts. 

Unvote

 

I'll give you 8 hours. Max.

[Verbal32]

 

 

Fine lets lynch Tina, shes on my list as well with AJ anyway.

 

unvote vote Tina

 

Des, yes a VT would be great to draw the NK but the way he did it was stupid and anti-town. Pral already explained it very well so im not going to rehash all of that, but seriously the way he did it was horrible.

 

How can it be a great idea, but the method be anti-town?  Don't the ends justify the means in mafia?  Are you saying he did it so badly that it was too obvious?  Please help me understand where you're going with this.

 

He did it in such a way that it looked so scummy the actual PR would atleast attempt to get him lynched without CCing. The ends dont always justify the means.

 

 

That still isn't really "anti-town".  So the Seer would try to lynch him without cc'ing.  Ok.  At least the Seer would still be hidden.

 

Pralaya is saying AJ is a wolf - you have given no such assessment that I'm aware of.  You're simply agreeing with him, and when pressed to provide detail, you're not.  If the end is what you wanted, it ALWAYS justifies the means when it comes to mafia.  Silly statement to refute.  I don't care if all but 1 townie dies, as long as that 1 townie is standing alone at the end of the game and town wins.  So you say I'm thinking anti-town because I don't care if townies die to achieve that goal?  Of course not, which was my point.

 

You still have not provided an adequate response as to how AJ was "anti-town" in trying to draw the NK, as you aren't using "AJ is a wolf" as the basis of your reasoning.  Please elaborate.

[Andrej]

Gonna be pretty busy today and for the next few days, I'm moving into a new apartment.

 

Pralaya is starting to jump up onto the radar for how he is pushing my lynch. Your probability post was nice but really those types of things don't always factor into Mafia games. If Mafia was just simple number crunching then games would be much more straight forward. More importantly, he's avoided the Tina train.

 

As it stands right now we are at 5v3v2. The win conditions state that in order for mafia or wolves to win, they must have earned majority (their numbers = half the numbers of total players) with at least 1 town player still alive. If no town players are alive then mafia automatically wins. If the day starts with 1v1v1 then mafia auto-win as well.

 

With 10 players, we still have some wiggle room to be wrong but not by much. For both scum teams it is essentially 7v3 for mafia and 8v2 for the wolves. Still a long way to go before they gain majority. Add in the unknown variable that the wolves could also hit mafia at night and the game could swing in any direction.

 

Based on the arguments of today, I can pretty confidently state that Lenlo and Tina aren't teammates, but I still think both are definitely anti-Town. Kaylee coming out the gates with her big case on Tina kind of felt wrong to me. Just felt a little calculated based on the way the flips from last night went and how she was using them to incriminate Tina. This makes me also think that Kaylee isn't a teammate with Tina. Pral seems to be doing some fear-mongering with his 5v5 rant. True there are 5 town vs 5 anti-Town, but neither of those two teams are close to victory just yet. Also, if you consider the win conditions for the wolf team, outing myself in such a fashion would only make the slim chances of them winning even more so.

 

For now I think Tina is a good lynch so we can start making connections on how she flips.

[Kaylee]

Kaylee saw something that was anti-town and pointed it out. I believe I said something about it D1. You make it seem as I picked someone at random and tried to make something of it. I made a case and that case speaks for itself. Others have also cased Tina. It struck me as odd that she suddenly switched directions.

 

Also, you say that then agree with her lynch? So your just against me casing her right away? Do you suggest I should have done it at night?

[Niniel]

 

Have started but won´t be able to finish until my daughter goes to bed. I´m having so much fun with this game so do not lynch me before I get the chance to give my thoughts. 

Unvote

 

I'll give you 8 hours. Max.

 

 

That is really nice of you. 

 

 

I have read the whole thread again and will see if I can both defend myself and make some cases. 

 

When I look back at the night posts, knowing Mish is seer, it´s clear that the wolfs would have guessed that she was seer after her posts. Before AJs claim she refused to vote him since I voted him but after his claim she started to accuse him. I have to say that the timing of my "I drop Mish" post was really bad. My reason for that post, which no one has brought up, was that Cloud turned up town. Mish unvoted him when he had a long train, then left it to vote me and then turned back when it looked like a lynch was needed before deadline. There would have been no need for that if she would have been mafia or wolf on day 1. Others were perfectly fine to vote Cloud and then lay low. I hope you understand what I mean since my points often seem to disappear because of my bad language. (No Des, that is a fact, no AtE.)

 

Reads so far: 

 

Not town: Des, Yates, AJ

 

Town: Hallia, BFG

 

 

I will post about Yates and Des in the next post. I´m back and forth about AJ but his play yesterday + Pralaya´s posts makes me lean scum. I understand that a vanilla would want to draw a nk but, as Pralaya says, there were no need for that right then. As far as I can see, Mish didn´t leave any seer hints until after AJ claimed seer. He is absolutely responsible for her death. The question is if he intended to draw her out or if it was an accident. 

 

Hallia and BFG came in late yesterday and voted AJ. I think it would have been just easier to vote  Cloud right then. Not a strong town tell but the best I have right now.

[BFG]

So at the moment I'm not sure whether I'm reading AJ as a town or scum gambit.  On rereading he seems to be breadcrumbing a seer reveal from the very beginning - in his first post he quotes Darthes section of the letter about the seer.  He then works hard to link himself and Cloud with the seer during that whole exchange.  For the moment I think I'm leaning Town gambit, but I'm still watching him closely.  Besides (and more to the point), there are currently a couple of people looking worse.

 

Tina.  The majority of points have been covered; nudging Mish with vote on AJ, and doing nothing to bring attention back to AJ when it was dying off, the 180, the too townie statement (although AJ, and I think some other people, have offered at least one of those)... 

 

Only a very minor point but, quotes are in the spoiler tags

 

 

 

 

 

How is it a townie thing to twist away from a direct question? I want to you put your reads down on paper, because only mafia are elusive in their wording, so that they can't be pinned down later.

 

I already showed you that I'm not afraid to guess who's on the same team. You know why? Cause I'm town and I want the other townies to have my reads.

 

Let me clarify what I thought was not townie. I don´t have a problem with your question which I did answer. My answer was that I´m not going to connect people since we haven´t got a coroners report yet. My problem with your question was that you put yourself on the same side as scum. This is the second time I see you do that. (Scum refers to both mafia and warewolfs.)

 

 

This seems odd because surely we've already had the scum/werewolves/mafia debate?  Earlier on the word scum is used (both by you and by people in discussion with you) to mean both without either being called out on it or defining it again, so why define it now? 

 

 

 

[deleted]

 

I couldn't read at all if they were both town, both anti-town, or one of each. Then came Cloud's post where he dropped the case, and it made me feel like he at least was anti-town. Savvy?

 

So, in this posts you prod at both me, AJ and Cloud. So wich of us do you think are on a team with eachother? You speak like you think all three of us are suspicious, and since it's only two anti-town team, some of us must be teammates. So who is it you think?

 

 

 

 

I was just starting to think AJ was the anti-town between the two of you, and then you turn that 180? Hmmm. Would have preferred if you'd stayed your course and not backtracked;  now I'm uncomfortable with you again.

 

I don't see much use in pushing for a lynch I don't believe in anymore. I don't play like this to get a person lynched without figuring out if he is town or mafia; I was trying to pressure him to get a better feel for his game.

 

"I will probably get lynched now" = pre-emptive AtE, backing down from your playstyle "oh yeah doing this gets me in trouble, I should probably stop it"; if you're town, why bother that your playstyle gets you into trouble? Then it's the the time-old "reaction test" and "game starter"-excuses.

 

And then you buddy me in the same post. Not good. 

 

 

 

Mish first don´t take a stand, just getting headache. Then after Cloud´s unvote she starts to think he might be scum. As others has already pointed out - we have two scum teams. Isn´t it possible that Cloud and AJ could be on each? Looks to me like Mish is looking at this from one of the teams.

 

 

You have an interesting point about Mish not appearing to take the two scum teams into consideration. I also get the feeling that she is just watching from the sidelines, but she tends to sit on the fence a lot this early in the game so it isn't very telling imo.

 

And then you both slightly FoS me and defend me in the same sentence. Interesting.

 

 

 

 

Tina and Cloud, both anti-town, probably same team I'd guess.

 

Vote Cloud

 

 

Green. How is this a townie thing to say? Of course I have some "if he´s on a scum team she might be as well" thoughts but I have learned not to draw any conclusions about things like that before we have a coroners report.

 

 

 

 

 

Lenlo -

 

So just before you voted Cloud the vote count stood at

 

Cloud (4)

AJ (4)

Tina (3)

 

 

 

I do notice you are still ignoring my questioning of you Tina.

 

Len, Cloud is at L-1 now, that's the train you have your vote on, why would you wanna change? And to who?

Because if people started to unvote and switch to someone else and Cloud suddenly became a not possibility I would be around to help make sure we got something done today. He also wasnt at L-1 as I was typing that I dont think.

 

 

This quote messed up but if I had no worries about the time limit id be voting Tina.

 

 

You say you'd be voting Tina if it wasn't for the deadline and will be around to switch your vote if necessary.  First you don't explain either of your choices, second if you want to vote Tina then why not vote Tina, explain your reasoning and if nobody supports it then revote for Cloud after? 

 

In addition you're having to be prodded for explanations now as well and just seem to be following Pral with an easy vote there, now you're voting Tina and still no reasoning???

 

votes in spoilers.

 

 

 

 

He was, I'd jsut put him at L-1.

 

Lenlo voted after you and AJ unvoted.

 

I've cut out everything except the post count.  I think this is right, but I may have missed one.

 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT: 
AJ (2/7): Laya, Tina
Cloud (6/7): AJ, Des, Mish, Verb, Yates, Kay


Not Metal (4/12): 

Len, BFG, Hally, Cloud 

 

 

 

 

unvote Vote Tina

 

 

 

vote AJ

 

 

 

 

 

 

Vote Mish

 

 

 

AJ (3/7): Laya, Tina, BFG
Cloud (5/7): AJ, Des, Verb, Yates, Kay

Tina (1/7): Mish

Mish (1/7): Cloud

 

(added in Hallia's vote to the original quote for completion sake)

 

Vote AJ

 

 

unvote

 

vote Tina

 

Kill it.

 

 

Vote cloud

 

Weird

 

 

 

 

 

I want to wait to see what Tina and Lenlo have to say, but right now I could vote either of them.

 

 

Also Hallia, would you like to explain your vote on AJ?  At the time you voted (a few hours before deadline) the vote count was.

Cloud (5)

AJ (3)

Tina (1)

Mish (1)

You stated you weren't going to be around as you were dropping Rashi off at the airport, didn't give any reasons for voting AJ and made no effort/mention of consolidating? 

[BFG]

ninja'ed by Tina

 

 

 

Have started but won´t be able to finish until my daughter goes to bed. I´m having so much fun with this game so do not lynch me before I get the chance to give my thoughts. 

Unvote

 

I'll give you 8 hours. Max.

 

 

That is really nice of you. 

 

 

I have read the whole thread again and will see if I can both defend myself and make some cases. 

 

When I look back at the night posts, knowing Mish is seer, it´s clear that the wolfs would have guessed that she was seer after her posts. Before AJs claim she refused to vote him since I voted him but after his claim she started to accuse him. I have to say that the timing of my "I drop Mish" post was really bad. My reason for that post, which no one has brought up, was that Cloud turned up town. Mish unvoted him when he had a long train, then left it to vote me and then turned back when it looked like a lynch was needed before deadline. There would have been no need for that if she would have been mafia or wolf on day 1. Others were perfectly fine to vote Cloud and then lay low. I hope you understand what I mean since my points often seem to disappear because of my bad language. (No Des, that is a fact, no AtE.)

 

Reads so far: 

 

Not town: Des, Yates, AJ

 

Town: Hallia, BFG

 

 

I will post about Yates and Des in the next post. I´m back and forth about AJ but his play yesterday + Pralaya´s posts makes me lean scum. I understand that a vanilla would want to draw a nk but, as Pralaya says, there were no need for that right then. As far as I can see, Mish didn´t leave any seer hints until after AJ claimed seer. He is absolutely responsible for her death. The question is if he intended to draw her out or if it was an accident. 

 

Hallia and BFG came in late yesterday and voted AJ. I think it would have been just easier to vote  Cloud right then. Not a strong town tell but the best I have right now.

 

 

I also haven't found any seer hints prior to the AJ reveal, but I'd put some of it on Lenlo as he's the one that pressed Mish so hard about not believing AJ, also some on the rest of us for not picking up on it in time to help Mish...

 

I'm not sure what you mean by her voting pattern in the first paragraph, sorry it's late here.  AJ also left the Cloud train before coming back to hammer. 

[Niniel]

Let´s see if I can make a Des case without quoting him. His long wots is hard to go through when quoted. 

 

#195 - Des votes Cloud. Do you remember that one of his reasons for voting me is that I parked my vote on AJ all day yesterday? Well, Des never left Cloud yesterday so I guess he is guilty of the same thing that he accuse me of. 

 

In this post he questions BFG, who wondered why Kaylee and Hallia hadn´t commented on the AJ/Pral/Cloud/Tina thing. He says already there that it could be a way to cover for Cloud. I never thought this to be scummy, rather the opposite. BFG hasn´t played before and it´s good to be able to not just focus on the visable, but what is not there. 

 

#244 Des says that Cloud´s trap wasn´t a trap and that Cloud just unvoted AJ to look good. He critizise BGF again for her focus on Kaylee and Hallia. He says that Yates is setting up future lynches by saying that he can vote both AJ and Cloud. Others have already commented on this - to name several suspects is not the same as setting up future lynches. 

 

#248 Here he likes my Mish case. He says that he will think about if it´s better than the Cloud case or not. 

 

#252 He makes his own Mish case but basically just agrees with me.

 

#336 This is where I says that we need to take a look at AJ, Verb, Yates and Des. More and more people starts to suspect me before and after this.

 

# 338 Here Des changes his mind. Now he defends Mish and suspect me (who he previously agreed with). Here is why + my answers:

1. I was evasive about my AJ case. (I just thought Mish was lazy who asked me to restate it.)

2. I press too much on the fact that Mish wanted me to hammer Cloud a day before deadline. (I really thought that was scummy, even when realising that there are no doc in the game. I think I brought it up twice though so I hardly made that big of a thing about it.)

3. I try to lead town with a week statement. (Yeh, it was a week statement, I didn´t made myself clear. But how would that be leading town?)

 

He also says that AJ made a slip (knew he would not get killed). And he says that Kaylee caught Yates with the ISO thing. 

 

(#341 He believes AJ is werewolf and me and Yates are mafia.)

 

#395 He votes me and backs up AJ´s behaviour during the night. He even says that he helped AJ "play it up". I would say that that make him also part responsible for Mish´s death. 

 

#398 He is against Lenlo´s blind faith in a cc and say that people who cc late in the game could be scum. He is starting to focus more and more on Lenlo although he is voting me. (Again, what he accused for doing yesterday with AJ and Mish.)

 

 

My very short case on Yates will follow in a short while. Need to hug bf before he goes to sleep. :)

[Verbal32]

Need to hug bf before he goes to sleep. :)

 

So THAT'S what you call it.  Gotcha.  ;-)

 

hehe

[Yates]

I have to say that the timing of my "I drop Mish" post was really bad. My reason for that post, which no one has brought up, was that Cloud turned up town.

Le sad. It's like... I'm posting? But maybe people aren't reading?

This one also stinks to high heaven given the timing:

I´m not as interested in a Mish lynch any longer.

 

I´m back and forth about AJ but his play yesterday + Pralaya´s posts makes me lean scum. I understand that a vanilla would want to draw a nk but, as Pralaya says, there were no need for that right then. As far as I can see, Mish didn´t leave any seer hints until after AJ claimed seer. He is absolutely responsible for her death. The question is if he intended to draw her out or if it was an accident.

Cool. So maybe *you* can show me how AJ was responsible? Pral hasn't yet. And I still think you aren't giving Mish enough credit.

 

So at the moment I'm not sure whether I'm reading AJ as a town or scum gambit.

 

...

 

For the moment I think I'm leaning Town gambit, but I'm still watching him closely.

Samesies.

[Yates]

Actually, Tina's read through reminded me of something...

I got AJ as a Werewolf and Tina and Yates as Mafia together. I think AJ is a Wolf because he seems confident he won't die in the night, and because I think he included the part about "if you don't die tonight" so that he could act like he wouldn't know who'd be NK'ed.

So you were voting for the werewolf, right? Oh wait.

FINAL VOTE COUNT:

AJ (4/7): Laya, Tina, BFG, Hally

Cloud (7/7): Des, Verb, Yates, Kay, Len, Mish, AJ

Tina (1/7): Cloud

Well. Certainly you would have been voting for your werewolf suspect first thing this morning, right? Oh wait.

What a bummer.

 

Vote Tina.

 

 

I doubt that she's a werewolf, most likely mafia imo.

Just weird.

 

I'm guessing AJ is in the Town pile now?

Reads:

 

Tina, Pray, Yates, Lenlo

FWIW - I'm voting Tina specifically because I think she's a wolf. Weird that you aren't.

[Niniel]

Thanks for reminding me about Lenlo´s weird voting yesterday, BFG. I think it was Mish who pointed it out at first. Why vote the longest train and then be prepared to move his vote, and not the other way around. 

 

 

I was looking at Verbal and Yates since they also parked on Cloud yesterday without adding much. (Yates did vote AJ for a while before he switched to Cloud.) Verbal is just quiet, which is what he is often on day 1. I´m a little worried that he was that quiet to not draw a seer view but I got nothing on him. 

 

It´s interesting that AJ protected Yates as he did when Kaylee brought up the ISO thing. 

 

But this quote is the most interesting I have found about Yates.

 

 

 

We dont lynch him until we have a CC or the possible real seer turns up dead.

Stop it.

 

Stop it.

 

Stop it.

 

If it's a BS claim, you do NOT counter if you are the Seer.  Think about it for longer than 1 nanosecond.  If you are the real Seer, you can't be killed.  Period.  Killing the real Seer would expose guaranteed scum.  The only way the real Seer counters is when they get a guilty.  2 for 1 is a good acceptable trade.  1 for 1 is not so good.

 

If AJ is the real Seer?  The best outcome from tonight is he gets protected thus there's no kill and he has a guilty for us in the morning. 

 

 

He forgot (like me and Hally) that there is no doc in the game. To me this looks like he is trying to make the doc protect AJ. If Yates and AJ are on the wolf team then they managed to out Mish and try to protect AJ. Of course, there is no doc, so it didn´t work that way. What do the rest of you think about this?

 

 

I´ll add Lenlo to my list so current suspects are Des, Yates, AJ and Lenlo. I´m not sure who I want to vote for right now. I will read what you have posted in the morning and see if anyone agree with anything I´ve had to say. 

[Darthe]

This is a quaint little game. I'm glad to see DM picking up a bit atm.

 

How many of you are actually listening to the music?

[Lenlo]

I'm trying it. If it fits my taste I finish it if not I don't.

[michellem]

Oh I haven't had a bah-post. BAH! Tool is awesome. The end.

[Andrej]

Stuff in blue:

 

 

Des is scum. I'd be willing to bet that between him and Tina that one is a werewolf and the other is mafia.

 

FoS to Kaylee too for that bullshanks on Yates about the ISO feature. Des jumping on it for emphasize is just.... Ew.

 

And to answer your question Des, I have no idea that I'll die tonight. However considering I was the 2nd largest train and I personally know I don't belong to either scum team, I think I will stick around.

 

I'm actually hoping the wolves kill mafia tonight so we can make some more solid connections.

 

 

This is as bad as Tina's comment earlier.  Really?  you want werewolves to kill mafia instead of town? 

 

I'm not very sure what you were pointing out here... but, yes? Why wouldn't I want the wolves to kill mafia at night? One less person for Town to have to worry about and their coroner report would give us something to look back on when it comes time to begin associating players based on their interactions.

 

You want to talk about probabilities? Assuming AJ is town, here are the outcomes of AJ trying to lie and draw a NK

 

Chance of Seer dying reduces from 1/9 = 11.1% to 0%

(which assumes that the real seer does not CC - a very big and risky assumption. There was a high probability that the real Seer would atleast raise some objection, which actually changes the 0% figure to somewhere above 50%))

 

Chance of mafia dying reduces from 3/9 = 33.3% to 0%

Chance of town dying increases from 6/9 = 66.7% to 100%

 

There is nothing positive about any of the above.It was anti-town any way you see it. 

 

The "draw the NK" argument would work in games where there are only two groups - mafia and town (with some scattered 3rd party). Trying to argue the same logic in this game with 3 groups is totally absurd.  It looks more and more like you are trying to protect AJ from what is an obvious lynch.

 

Please explain how the logic wouldn't work because there are 3 teams this game. I don't see your point there. As you have pointed out already, the chances of Town dying were already higher from the beginning. It could be argued either way about my intent for false-claim, but as it was pointed out already I was the 2nd largest train at the end of D1 and figured I'd likely be going up for the lynch today. Plus I was drinking whiskey and felt a little ballsy It backfired, but shit happens.

 

To the bolded: Is this the logic you used for picking your target last night? Mish was really the only one to say outright that she didn't believe me which narrowed it down to either me or her.

 

Kaylee saw something that was anti-town and pointed it out. I believe I said something about it D1. You make it seem as I picked someone at random and tried to make something of it. I made a case and that case speaks for itself. Others have also cased Tina. It struck me as odd that she suddenly switched directions.

 

Also, you say that then agree with her lynch? So your just against me casing her right away? Do you suggest I should have done it at night?

 

I'm not against your case on her, or lynching her for that matter nor the timing of it. The whole thing just kind of gave me bad vibes. The way you talked about the NK as evidence gives me a little ping suggesting that you might be one of the two to control it and now you are using it as evidence against Tina. Therefore: if Tina turns out to be mafia, it could be fairly reasonable that you are a wolf.

 

Actually, Tina's read through reminded me of something...

I got AJ as a Werewolf and Tina and Yates as Mafia together. I think AJ is a Wolf because he seems confident he won't die in the night, and because I think he included the part about "if you don't die tonight" so that he could act like he wouldn't know who'd be NK'ed.

So you were voting for the werewolf, right? Oh wait.

FINAL VOTE COUNT:

AJ (4/7): Laya, Tina, BFG, Hally

Cloud (7/7): Des, Verb, Yates, Kay, Len, Mish, AJ

Tina (1/7): Cloud

Well. Certainly you would have been voting for your werewolf suspect first thing this morning, right? Oh wait.

What a bummer.

 

Vote Tina.

 

 

I doubt that she's a werewolf, most likely mafia imo.

Just weird.

 

I'm guessing AJ is in the Town pile now?

Reads:

 

Tina, Pray, Yates, Lenlo

FWIW - I'm voting Tina specifically because I think she's a wolf. Weird that you aren't.

 

 

What gives you a wolf read on Tina? Also, your time stamps don't match up. Des listed me as a scum read for him after Cloud's lynch.

[Kaylee]

Thanks for reminding me about Lenlo´s weird voting yesterday, BFG. I think it was Mish who pointed it out at first. Why vote the longest train and then be prepared to move his vote, and not the other way around. 

 

 

I was looking at Verbal and Yates since they also parked on Cloud yesterday without adding much. (Yates did vote AJ for a while before he switched to Cloud.) Verbal is just quiet, which is what he is often on day 1. I´m a little worried that he was that quiet to not draw a seer view but I got nothing on him. 

 

It´s interesting that AJ protected Yates as he did when Kaylee brought up the ISO thing. 

 

But this quote is the most interesting I have found about Yates.

 

 

 

We dont lynch him until we have a CC or the possible real seer turns up dead.

Stop it.

 

Stop it.

 

Stop it.

 

If it's a BS claim, you do NOT counter if you are the Seer.  Think about it for longer than 1 nanosecond.  If you are the real Seer, you can't be killed.  Period.  Killing the real Seer would expose guaranteed scum.  The only way the real Seer counters is when they get a guilty.  2 for 1 is a good acceptable trade.  1 for 1 is not so good.

 

If AJ is the real Seer?  The best outcome from tonight is he gets protected thus there's no kill and he has a guilty for us in the morning. 

 

 

He forgot (like me and Hally) that there is no doc in the game. To me this looks like he is trying to make the doc protect AJ. If Yates and AJ are on the wolf team then they managed to out Mish and try to protect AJ. Of course, there is no doc, so it didn´t work that way. What do the rest of you think about this?

 

 

I´ll add Lenlo to my list so current suspects are Des, Yates, AJ and Lenlo. I´m not sure who I want to vote for right now. I will read what you have posted in the morning and see if anyone agree with anything I´ve had to say. 

Tina: I can see your point about trying to direct a protect, he outright says it (see bold). Could be something to it, definitely worth keeping an eye on.

[Kaylee]

AJ: Meh, nothing I can really say about how you feel about it. To me it just felt like she was setting herself up to look town. (Using the "why would I have killed her after the back and forth knowing it would make me look bad?" argument).

[Yates]

To me this looks like he is trying to make the doc protect AJ.

Well, that's probably because you aren't reading. Or you are pretending you aren't reading.

 

 

protected by who? there's no doctor - or do you mean protected by the confusion about the claim?

Crap. Second time today. I keep forgetting which game Hally claimed X-Night doc in.

 

[Yates]

So Tina has had time to spread her wifom.

Vote: Tina

[BFG]

 

Stuff in blue:

 

 

Des is scum. I'd be willing to bet that between him and Tina that one is a werewolf and the other is mafia.

 

FoS to Kaylee too for that bullshanks on Yates about the ISO feature. Des jumping on it for emphasize is just.... Ew.

 

And to answer your question Des, I have no idea that I'll die tonight. However considering I was the 2nd largest train and I personally know I don't belong to either scum team, I think I will stick around.

 

I'm actually hoping the wolves kill mafia tonight so we can make some more solid connections.

 

 

This is as bad as Tina's comment earlier.  Really?  you want werewolves to kill mafia instead of town? 

 

I'm not very sure what you were pointing out here... but, yes? Why wouldn't I want the wolves to kill mafia at night? One less person for Town to have to worry about and their coroner report would give us something to look back on when it comes time to begin associating players based on their interactions.

 

 

 

(should have included a /sarcasm) Because it should be obvious.  The preferred outcome of night is always going to be for wolves to kill mafia that way there's one scum down instead of another Town as well as the possibility of being able to start trying to link people.  Neither yours nor Tinas statement to that effect sit's right with me.

 

What happened to Tinas case on Yates?  Would still like to hear from Lenlo (and Hallia)

[Andrej]

AJ: Meh, nothing I can really say about how you feel about it. To me it just felt like she was setting herself up to look town. (Using the "why would I have killed her after the back and forth knowing it would make me look bad?" argument).

 

Gotcha.

[Andrej]

(should have included a /sarcasm) Because it should be obvious.  The preferred outcome of night is always going to be for wolves to kill mafia that way there's one scum down instead of another Town as well as the possibility of being able to start trying to link people.  Neither yours nor Tinas statement to that effect sit's right with me.

 

What happened to Tinas case on Yates?  Would still like to hear from Lenlo (and Hallia)

 

So you agree with my train of thought but just have a problem that I voiced it?

 

@Darthe - Is Hallia being replaced in this game as well? I know she subbed out of her last one.

[Andrej]

Real quick:

 

1. Mish - Town Seer Killed N1
2. Andrej
3. Yates - #
4. Cloud - Town Vanilla Lynched Day 1
5. Len - Leaning scum
6. Tina - Scum read
7. Laya - Leaning scum
8. BFG* - Town read
9. Des - #
10. Kaylee - Leaning Town
11. Hally - Null. Replace/Prod?
12. Verb - #

 

# : These three I have trouble reading due to their experience. Des/Yates are going at each other pretty constantly so one's flip would help me tighten down my read on the other. I think Des looks more scummy of the two IMO. Verb made some good arguments towards Lenlo today. All three agree that my fake-claim has given them a Town read on me. I'm still trying to figure out which is buddying/defending for Town-cred.

[Niniel]

 

Need to hug bf before he goes to sleep. :)

 

So THAT'S what you call it.  Gotcha.  ;-)

 

hehe

 

 

Of course this is what you choose to comment on. When will you start contributing. So far the only thing you have said is that you think AJ is town. 

 

 

To me this looks like he is trying to make the doc protect AJ.

Well, that's probably because you aren't reading. Or you are pretending you aren't reading.

 

 

protected by who? there's no doctor - or do you mean protected by the confusion about the claim?

Crap. Second time today. I keep forgetting which game Hally claimed X-Night doc in.

 

 

 

Aren´t reading? Read that quote again. You ask the doc to protect AJ. Yes, there is no doc, you forgot that. But, it´s still true that you asked doc to protect him. 

 

So Tina has had time to spread her wifom.

 

Vote: Tina

 

What wifom. You are anti-town or just lazy. Just like yesterday.

 

Vote Yates

 

Could also vote Des.