[Advanced] X-Men: Rise of Apocalypse - GAME OVER

[csarmi]

Also, would RTE have been informed of his appearance change?

I'll PAFO that for now. But I believe you can guess Verb's answer to that question (and I did ask him).

 

RTE, were you notified?

[csarmi]

I looked up my character by the way. Sounds quite controversial. So much for figuring out alignment from character claims.

[Lenlo]

Ugh hate deadlines that are at 8 in the morning. Difficult to try and catch.

ATTENTION TOWN

 

I am extending the day phase by 24 hours. You have been notified.

 

Thank me later.

Love you.

 

[sorry peeps, got pulled into a meeting this morning when I expected to be at my desk.]

 

 

Thanks to Bishop, the deadline has been extended for a day.  As I count weekends to be 1 day, the new deadline is Sunday 10am EST.

Even better.

 

The one thing im worried about with lynching Mish is if we are wrong than thats 2 dead townies instead of 1. For now since we have more time id like to vote Krak and either force him to come out and say something or if he still stays lurking lynchem.

[ReleaseTheEvil]

 

Also, would RTE have been informed of his appearance change?

I'll PAFO that for now. But I believe you can guess Verb's answer to that question (and I did ask him).

 

RTE, were you notified?

 

 

Nope. I was sincere when I was intrigued by the gold. I was happy to be vetted though.

 

So if you hit a scum with it, what color would that text be in?

[ReleaseTheEvil]

I want Lily's views. Now

[ReleaseTheEvil]

 

 

Also, would RTE have been informed of his appearance change?

I'll PAFO that for now. But I believe you can guess Verb's answer to that question (and I did ask him).

 

RTE, were you notified?

 

 

Nope. I was sincere when I was intrigued by the gold. I was happy to be vetted though.

 

So if you hit a scum with it, what color would that text be in?

 

 

Or does gold only mean that now if viewed their true alignment will be revealed?

 

Want to make sure I understand this correctly...

[csarmi]

Gold means that you "appear as" have been adjusted to your "alignment" on N2. If someone would view you on N2 or later, you would show as your true alignment.

[csarmi]

Well, that's what I think anyway. Pieced together from the "gold is the color of truth", my mod answers and my night actions.

[csarmi]

Let me know if there are any questions or there's any clarifictaion needed.

 

I'll be back in a few hours.

[Nynaeve]

So you're saying that gold doesn't mean a person is a confirmed townie, but rather that if they're investigated by a cop then he'll get their real alignment?

 

 

 

Nyn

[ReleaseTheEvil]

Gotcha.

 

So we need both you and Lily alive. And need you to have night actions.

 

So I'd say we can be fairly certain there's a cop or csarmi's role would be kind of a dud. And no cc to Lily's claim

 

But now we need night for them to both work. They should target the same person tonight. But I am quite worried one of them won't make it tonight.

 

Ffffffffffffffffffffffffffff.

[ReleaseTheEvil]

Likely Town:

 

RTE

Csarmi

Lily

Darthe

Wombat

 

Possible Scum:

 

Des

Mish

 

Not sure but suspicious:

 

Krak

Tina

Lenlo

 

No read:

 

Nyn

 

I have a town read on Darthe and Wombat but they are also two players who could pull off playing town as scum. Although Darthe has been awful lately as Mafia.

 

Not much experience with Nyn. I want to lean Town but don't know her normal playstyle.

[csarmi]

That's how o understand it. But please note that's just what I concluded seeing the effects. Verbal PAFO'd me on my question about whether my target would know that their appearance has been adjusted. Seeing as those two players got their name folded after my actions that's a good assumption o believe.

 

Sorry. On phone now. Will give a better summary on my mod talks once home.

[michellem]

Wow, I'm alive. Didn't expect that when I came home.

 

Those who didn't understand why I suggested a Des-lynch instead of a me-lynch: If you lynched Des, I woyld sacrifice myself to keep him alive, since most seem to think he's town; I would def prefer to just loose one townie instead of potentially three. One townie dead is way better than three. That said, I personally still isn't convinced about Des' alignement, but even if he's mafia, it would have been better that only I died, versus him taking yet another townie down with him.

 

Also Des; AtE? I spoke plainly. Stop using trigger-words simply to paint me as scum. I didn't say "oh no please don't lynch me, buhu". I tried to offer a solution that I think would hurt town less.

 

Of course I don't want to die; I wanna live and play the game, but I was trying to do what felt right for my team.

 

 

 

Csarmi's claim rings true; it seems logical in this game. Lily, the only thing about your views I'd ask you to reveal is if any match up with Csarmi's goldenizer. Especially if you viewed Ishy; it would be good for us to know if he was town or mafia.

[Krakalakachkn]

I'm most willing to go Krak. He did NOTHING to supress my worries about him when he popped up today.

 

Worries?

 

As far as Krak goes, the casing I did came up a bit empty because of how little he posted. One of the things that stuck out the most was his constant siding with Nolder. He also overreacted somewhat when arguing with Des and never bothered addressing the points he made against him. He's been away longer then stated and he's been overall absent.

 

I recall Mish mentioning earlier that in a previous game Krak did the same when he was scum (aka being inactive and flying under the rader). Which is true. But I'm not sure if I'm a fan of using that kind of reason to vote someone. Still, I've not known Krak to be this quiet.

 

I think constant is too strong a word, but yes, I did say that I believed Nolder to be playing to his meta and likely town.

 

Looking back at Des' points, I don't really see anything to respond to other than what I said when I "overreacted."  I'll admit I overreacted a bit and I'm not proud of it, but I don't think that it was unjustified or unwarranted.  I think his statement that I was sowing wifom is/was ridiculous, especially considering what I said and the fact that he later did the exact same thing, conjecturing to a greater degree about names and roles after Night 2.

 

 

I'll admit that I've only played one game with Mish, so I'm not that aware of her playing style. To me it comes across like she's trying too hard to come off confused and perturbed by the direction this game is taking and for some reason I just don't buy her frustration. I'm also quite curious as to why she was unable to move her vote away from RTE.

 

She's been pushing for a Krak lynch most of the game. First she said it was because he was scummy on d1... then later she said it was because he was being quiet like in a different game where he was scum... I don't know. Now she's suddenly pro lynching verbal and just seeing what happens. There is also the odd part of her and Des both surviving the night. Why would scum pass out on removing two townies at the price of one?

 

Big question mark here.

 

 

 

Nyn

If Mish/Despo are telling the truth about the vengeance kill, removing those two townies might just cost a scum. Like I suspect it happened to Ishy.

Seriously, I don't know what to do with Mish right now. Her play is confusing and I find her scummy now - but I tend to find her scummy and this seems to be her meta. What I do believe is that if we are to take that pair of lovers out, it's not the time yet.

 

 

I'd say very unlikely to remove scum.

 

@Despo, my stance didn't really change, actually.

 

I'm against a lover lynch.

When you're driving blindly, you don't speed up your car.

 

We have 12 players (5 dead) and still in the dark as for the game mechanics - well, frankly put, in the dark about a lot of things (gold names, Nyn's frailty, Mish's inability to move her vote, usefulness of a cop, kind of roles around - just to name a few).

 

The faster we decrease the number of players, the worse off we'll be.

 

Our power roles will get one action per night, most likely. The faster we go, the lower amount of information we end up with. Getting rid of 3 towniesplayers* right now (putting us down to 9 players by night, who knows how many by next day) seems very contraproductive to me.

The only thing that changed that I realized that it could be even worse if we trust the wrong side: we might just give scum a day shot (which could be even worse than usual cause that could be used to take out RTE).

 

If you are both scum, this lynch is an idiotic idea.

If Des is scum and we lynch Mish, then we gave Des a day shot (according to Mish/Despo's venge kill claim). Learning that he lied to us wouldn't help.

If Mish is scum and we lynch Des, the same. Learning that she lied to us wouldn't help.

 

I'm not ready to take a blind shot with so many risks and zero rewards. That's what I claimed and that's what it comes back to.

 

*quote edited

 

 

You're hedging too many bets here.  At some point we/you have to make a decision.

 

 

If you are both scum, this lynch is an idiotic idea.

If Des is scum and we lynch Mish, then we gave Des a day shot (according to Mish/Despo's venge kill claim). Learning that he lied to us wouldn't help.

If Mish is scum and we lynch Des, the same. Learning that she lied to us wouldn't help.

 

I'm not ready to take a blind shot with so many risks and zero rewards. That's what I claimed and that's what it comes back to.

 

OMG are you kidding me dude? If we were BOTH scum, then that would be GREAT for town because you'd have two scummies sitting in your hand ready to lynch.

 

This.

 

Okay really sorry folks this is so far I can take this.

I don't know what's going on and I just can't take the risk.

 

I'm the Truthsayer. Every night I choose a player and his "appears as" is adjusted to his alignment. You only have to look at the first page to figure out who I targeted the first two nights, but just in case it isn't 100% evident for you, I'll spell it out:

 

I targeted Ishy N1 cause I thought he might be Godfather type.

I targeted RTE N2 cause I thought he might be miller type (since he claimed so).

 

Yes, I can target dead people too.

 

If I target the same person as a doc/coroner, my action gets resolved first (so they'll show their true alignment).

 

This is probably my dead sentence as I'm almost sure I'm the most important town role we got.

 

Now I really must run and can't wait to see how this situation is resolved and I'm pretty sure Des would choose the wrong target, so there.

 

RTE - stop the night or not, your call. I'd rather not, actually.

 

Well this was a little sudden.

 

 

 

He is considering to shoot between a cop claim, me and a player who hasn't claimed.

 

And this is you failing to give me any better suggestions as to who to shoot. Your case on Aemon is purdy terrible. The rest of your reads seem weak, doesn't even feel like you believe them.

 

I don't have a case on anyone. And I don't have a suggestion for you because I can't disclose anyone as being an important role.

 

You already managed to threaten your Cop and threatened your Truthsayer into revealing (with some DL confusion help). Grats.

 

 

You don't have a case on anyone?  You've posted waaaay more than anyone else in this game (like 230 to 80) and you don't have a case on anyone?

 

Also, you're quick to believe Lily's claim.

 

Wow, I'm alive. Didn't expect that when I came home.

 

Those who didn't understand why I suggested a Des-lynch instead of a me-lynch: If you lynched Des, I woyld sacrifice myself to keep him alive, since most seem to think he's town; I would def prefer to just loose one townie instead of potentially three. One townie dead is way better than three. That said, I personally still isn't convinced about Des' alignement, but even if he's mafia, it would have been better that only I died, versus him taking yet another townie down with him.

 

You would both die.  How have you not realized that by now?

[LilyElizabeth]

I did not view either Ishy or RTE. Sorry. Salami, we can work together. Maybe my role will have some use after all. 

 

I still don't see a lot of people saying they want my views. Let me know what y'all want there. I'm only seeing two or three that say they want them. I'll go either way, but I want to hear from y'all on it. 

[michellem]

 

I'm most willing to go Krak. He did NOTHING to supress my worries about him when he popped up today.

 

Worries?

 

Wow, I'm alive. Didn't expect that when I came home.

 

Those who didn't understand why I suggested a Des-lynch instead of a me-lynch: If you lynched Des, I woyld sacrifice myself to keep him alive, since most seem to think he's town; I would def prefer to just loose one townie instead of potentially three. One townie dead is way better than three. That said, I personally still isn't convinced about Des' alignement, but even if he's mafia, it would have been better that only I died, versus him taking yet another townie down with him.

 

You would both die.  How have you not realized that by now?

 

 

Yes, worries. You don't play a pro-town game and that worries me.

 

 

We would not both die if I used the sacrifice-option that I have. Are you blind, skimming, or just being difficult on purpose?

[Krakalakachkn]

Option A.

[Darthe]

Gdiaf

[Leelou]

Gdiaf

 

Stealing the mod's lines?

[aemonkristen]

Just a thought on why no NK on the lovers- obvious reason is because RTE ended night early. Alternative is that scum want us to do the job for them. If o e gets NKed, the other can sacrifice himself/herself and bring back the partner, this giving us an all but confirmed townie (since scum don't generally NK their own). Instead of getting 2 townies dead and a possible third with the vengeance kill, they get 1 dead townie and all but confirm another. I am still against a Mish lynch and it doesn't look like my opinion on Darthe is shared by many, so I will change my vote to Krak for the reasons I gave earlier.

 

UNVOTE DARTHE

 

VOTE KRAK

[Leelou]

Vote Count

 

Krak (3) - Mish, Lenlo, Aemon

Mish (2) - Nyn, Tina

Aemon (2) - Wombat, Des

Darthe (1) -  Lily

Salami (1) - Darthe

 

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

[WWWwombat]

Lily, release your views already.

[WWWwombat]

Just a thought on why no NK on the lovers- obvious reason is because RTE ended night early. Alternative is that scum want us to do the job for them. If o e gets NKed, the other can sacrifice himself/herself and bring back the partner, this giving us an all but confirmed townie (since scum don't generally NK their own). Instead of getting 2 townies dead and a possible third with the vengeance kill, they get 1 dead townie and all but confirm another. I am still against a Mish lynch and it doesn't look like my opinion on Darthe is shared by many, so I will change my vote to Krak for the reasons I gave earlier.

 

UNVOTE DARTHE

 

VOTE KRAK

I'm really starting to hate the phrase "for the reasons I gave earlier." It makes it sound like you actually have a good case when iirc all you said was that Krak was lurking.

[Niniel]

I`m not sure that I understand  Csarmi´s role. 

 

Csarmi - you target someone and after that they will appear as their real alignments?