[Advanced] X-Men: Rise of Apocalypse - GAME OVER

[Nolder]

 

 

Your imagination is failing you then. I thought of one in 5 seconds.

 

How about if Verbal has one Overriding Governor shot for each Horseman?

That's pretty OP and would be unfun since voting/lynching is so fundamental to the game for town.

It's the only power they are ever guaranteed so to mess with it that heavy is just lame.

 

I think people get confused about bastard games. When it's unintentional what we mean is the game was unbalanced in some way or the mod involved themselves where they shouldn't like giving a player advice on who to target. When a game is described as "bastard" from the get go it's not meant to be some murder fun house where the mod just mindf***s everyone for their pleasure like a Saw movie. It means they twisted some facets of the game that are usually taken for granted. A 100% true role PM for example (ie a cop can't trust their sanity even if the mod tells them they are sane). The game is still winnable for both sides and should be more or less fair. You and others are putting way too much stock into what Verbal said about "dire consequences". Even if he wasn't lying the effect should be minimal.

 

You have no idea what you're talking about. I've played in one of Verbal's bastard games. It was like a Saw movie except Verbal kept bringing us back from the dead to torture us and kill us again.

 

I've played in one too and that was not my experience.

 

Ok not going to be here tonight or for deadline, ala the other game, you know the score. I really, really cannot state how much I don't want to vote Verbal.

 

My thought is:

 

He can be voted

He is goading us to vote

He has said there will be dire consequences for said vote.

 

Bastard Mod is not equal to 100% liar Mod. He could be lying about lying and all the little Russian dolls you want to throw down that rabbit hole.

 

We don't know.

 

As it stands, lynching Verbal will make SOMETHING happen, that is more than likely anti-town.

If we lynch a player, it gives us more time to find Gold and put together some clues, and as a bonus we might just lynch mafia.

Continuing advocating a somewhat blind lynch on the Bastard Mod on D1?

 

Not a fan.

 

 

 

VOTE NOLDER

 

I did like you early on, but the assurance you seem to be pushing this with troubles me, along with the fact that it's a pro-town move to avoid an anti-town trap.

 

Will check in closer to deadline to see whatup. I won't vote Verbal though. I think a random lynch would be better, quite honestly.

Blah blah blah my teammates told me to make something up and vote you.

Mission accomplished.

 

Caught up.

 

Unvote, Vote Nolder

 

Obvious scum in my eyes. Has kept town distracted with this talk about lynching Verbal, and keeps slipping in little blurbs about the setup.

Slipping in little blurbs?

I've been saying all along I don't really care.

The only time I've engaged in speculation was when conversation called for it due to what other people have been saying.

 

 

Plus I don't like how he keeps trying to have it both ways, discouraging others from doing activities he himself is doing (distracting town).

I think it's more like OMGODSHUTUP.

 

But I can see how you'd think the two are the same.

 

 

What does the OD stand for?

 

 

The GOD in it is like the GNU abbreviation.

 

 

You've lost me

 

 

OMGOD = OMGod

 

 

The G stands for god already though.

 

Forget it we're just derailing the discussion at this point now.

Let's get back to voting people.

Look at me, taking my own advice and dropping a pointless discussion to get back on topic.

But, you know, I'm derailing and trying to distract town. Ok.

 

As for Verbal, that is an issue best left for another day imo. It seems to me that it still might be best to lynch him last among the mafia, if he even needs to be lynched. We could end up trying to lynch him just to find out he can't be lynched or something, and just made that an option cause he's a bastard. Either way day 1 is the WORST time to try such a maneuver, when it is invaluable for town to get the right start on the game by collecting as much info as possible. A Verbal lynch doesn't help with that at all.

A no lynch on Day 1 is not really that terrible of an outcome.

Keep fear mongering though.

 

 

 

Des I applaud your attempt at trying to focus the game into more serious discussion but your assessment on me is pretty off.

If I cared about figuring Verbal's puzzles I'd be afraid to lynch him because "something bad might happen". Instead, I don't care.

As a person in his position he by definition cannot be town. He knows everyone's roles. He is scum/third party aligned.

I wasn't trying to create some big debate about whether we should lynch him or not I was trying to get someone else to vote him first to see if he would even count the vote while also commenting on the fact that even if "something bad" did happen town is in it's best position to weather it on day 1.

 

No, you care about the puzzle BECAUSE you're trying to lynch him. If you didn't care about it, you'd be focused on actual scumhunting.

 

Who says I'm not scumhunting?

Look at the reactions I've gotten.

Lenlo is pretty much dead already and in all honesty I think I could peg the rest of the mafia right now out of a list of maybe 5 or 6. Of course that's all thrown out of whack if someone who hasn't posted much is mafia like Nyn but I'm still pretty confident in my reads.

 

 

Yeah no that is completely wrong. You should never leave a self aligned role alive because at the first opportunity they can and will stab you in the back to win. You are as scummy as they come. After Verbal hangs you're next up for the noose as far as I'm concerned.

 

As for your main argument. You are failing to take into account that this is a self professed bastard game.

The mod is lying to us. IF there is a time he is telling us the truth it is in our role PMs (maybe) and when he types in gold (maybe).

If you take his word for anything you are leaving an awful lot to chance.

 

Underlined: fail attempt at setting up of lynches and leading town.

 

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Calling my shot is a scum trait? Ok dude. Keep your vote where it is and then tell me how it worked out for you.

 

 

For the record I am against a Lenlo lynch today on the grounds that he's protecting Verbal.

If you think he's protecting Verbal then you'll be playing into his hand by not lynching Verbal.

I think he's better saved as the favorite for tomorrows lynch.

 

Moar setting up of lynches

 

Except that it's the same lynch but ok.

[csarmi]

I could move to Lenlo. Not to Verbal tho.

[Verbal32]

I've only played one "barstard" game and that was a DPR game and we needed to lynch him to win

 

Wanna link me to that game?  I've played in almost all of his, and read the ones I didn't play in.  DPR hates bastard games, so I'm curious as to which game he modded that was bastard.

[WWWwombat]

I agree with Ishy. I don't like this Nol train at all. Nolder disagreeing with everyone is normal. He hasn't actually done anything that is scummy, just anti-town.

 

unvote

Vote: Lenlo

[Verbal32]

Vote Count

Nolder (6) - Darthe, Mish, Salami, Berf, Des, Tina

Lenlo (4) - RTE, Ishy, Krak, Wombat

Verbal (3) - Nolder, Dap, Pralaya
Salami (1) - Nyn
Darthe (1) - Lily

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.  Deadline is in 7.5 hours.

[michellem]

I'm willing to go either way; both Nolder and Lenlo seems like interesting lynches to me. My gut says Nol over Len, but I'll be around to change my vote if neccessary.

[Lenlo]

I agree with Ishy. I don't like this Nol train at all. Nolder disagreeing with everyone is normal. He hasn't actually done anything that is scummy, just anti-town.

 

unvote

Vote: Lenlo

What? He hasnt done anything scummy, just anti-town... Since when was anti town not worth lynching? We've already had the whole third party crap so I dont want to rehash any of that but anti-town is a bad thing Wombat.

[WWWwombat]

If either Nolder or Lenlo plan on revealing, they should do so ASAP.

[WWWwombat]

 

 

I agree with Ishy. I don't like this Nol train at all. Nolder disagreeing with everyone is normal. He hasn't actually done anything that is scummy, just anti-town.

 

unvote

Vote: Lenlo

What? He hasnt done anything scummy, just anti-town... Since when was anti town not worth lynching? We've already had the whole third party crap so I dont want to rehash any of that but anti-town is a bad thing Wombat.

It is quite possible (and common) to play anti-town without being anti-town. You, RTE, and Darthe did it for a while in Ender's Game Mafia for instance.

[Verbal32]

I'm willing to go either way

 

My name is Verbocalypse and I approve this message.

[Krakalakachkn]

I'm just reading Nolder as Nolder.  I'm not seeing scumminess in his posts as much as his normal meta - disagreeing with the town.

 

 

 

Ok not going to be here tonight or for deadline, ala the other game, you know the score. I really, really cannot state how much I don't want to vote Verbal.
 
My thought is:
 
He can be voted
He is goading us to vote
He has said there will be dire consequences for said vote.
 
Bastard Mod is not equal to 100% liar Mod. He could be lying about lying and all the little Russian dolls you want to throw down that rabbit hole.
 
We don't know.
 
As it stands, lynching Verbal will make SOMETHING happen, that is more than likely anti-town.
If we lynch a player, it gives us more time to find Gold and put together some clues, and as a bonus we might just lynch mafia.
Continuing advocating a somewhat blind lynch on the Bastard Mod on D1?
 
Not a fan.
 
 
 
VOTE NOLDER
 
I did like you early on, but the assurance you seem to be pushing this with troubles me, along with the fact that it's a pro-town move to avoid an anti-town trap.
 
Will check in closer to deadline to see whatup. I won't vote Verbal though. I think a random lynch would be better, quite honestly.

Blah blah blah my teammates told me to make something up and vote you.
Mission accomplished.

 

This.

 

 

 

 

Caught up.
 
Unvote, Vote Nolder
 
Obvious scum in my eyes. Has kept town distracted with this talk about lynching Verbal, and keeps slipping in little blurbs about the setup.

Slipping in little blurbs?
I've been saying all along I don't really care.
The only time I've engaged in speculation was when conversation called for it due to what other people have been saying.

 

 
And Des, I don't really see how you can claim that Nolder has distracted the town.  Isn't it our job to ignore any talk that we consider derailing.  Don't use Nolder to justify your lack of scum hunting, then come in towards the end of the day and claim that Nol is scum.  You look bad in this scenario, not him.
 
 

I'm willing to go either way; both Nolder and Lenlo seems like interesting lynches to me. My gut says Nol over Len, but I'll be around to change my vote if neccessary.

 

 

Giggity

[dapianoplay3r]

 

I've only played one "barstard" game and that was a DPR game and we needed to lynch him to win

 

 

Wanna link me to that game?  I've played in almost all of his, and read the ones I didn't play in.  DPR hates bastard games, so I'm curious as to which game he modded that was bastard.

Bastard in commas

It was the amazon one I think. He had to be lynched or something

 

unvote vote nol

I don't know if ill be back before deadline

 

Night all

[Krakalakachkn]

Dammit.

[Verbal32]

Dammit.

 

What, that I beat you to the punch yet again?

[Verbal32]

 

 

I've only played one "barstard" game and that was a DPR game and we needed to lynch him to win

 

Wanna link me to that game?  I've played in almost all of his, and read the ones I didn't play in.  DPR hates bastard games, so I'm curious as to which game he modded that was bastard.

Bastard in commas

It was the amazon one I think. He had to be lynched or something

 

 

 

Nope.  Spider Country was the closest to "amazon" he made, and wasn't bastard.  Again, he doesn't do them.  He hates them....we've spoken about it multiple times.  Bastard is my territory, mofo.  No encroachment!

[michellem]

 

I guess I shouldn't encourage you guys by telling you that yes, I am actually bi.

 

Ooops, just did.

[berf]

That just happened.

 

And checking in and going to bed. I still think Nolder is the way to go. And really going to bed not like the time I said it an hour ago.

[Nynaeve]

Hey, gonna be catching up so thoughts to come.

 

 

 

 

Nyn

[csarmi]

Talking about The Ways now, Nynaeve.

[Nolder]

If Verbal is to be believed I am some kind of roleblocker/mirror

I choose someone at night and any actions that were used on that person get roleblocked

[csarmi]

Yea that ability has a name. What has it got to do with mirror tho?

[WWWwombat]

What did he call it and does it work on kills?

[Leelou]

Deadline in 3 hours, 43 minutes

[ReleaseTheEvil]

Happy with Len but don't want this to go random...

[csarmi]

I can move to Len if need be. Will be around.