[Advanced] X-Men: Rise of Apocalypse - GAME OVER

[Leelou]

Can we lynch Leelou?

 

You want to lynch the pretty one? What's wrong with you?

[Darthe]

Nobody wants to answer that lol.

 

How much time do we have left?

[Leelou]

Just over 24 hours.

 

 

Day will currently end on Friday afternoon, at 5pm EST.

[Darthe]

Thank you!

[michellem]

I still think we should be hunting mafia; not Verb. Verb aint going anywhere; we can take him down whenever. Personally I'm way more interested in finding mafia.

 

Nol pushing this angle doesn't make sense at all to me, so I'm gonna join that train and Vote Nolder

[csarmi]

Btdubz verb already said we habe to lynch him. You look really bad right now.

I can't unscramble this.

[csarmi]

I still think we should be hunting mafia; not Verb. Verb aint going anywhere; we can take him down whenever. Personally I'm way more interested in finding mafia.

 

Nol pushing this angle doesn't make sense at all to me, so I'm gonna join that train and Vote Nolder

This pings. All the uncertainty, and now that you see some sort of Nolder train might be forming, you jump.

[csarmi]

Salami I think anything in the initial role PMs is ok but past that.. *shrug*

 

I'm interested in seeing what you pull up on Nol and habe a couple things of my own ti add later.

Hmm. I don't like this.

[Leelou]

Vote Count

 

Verbal (4) - Salami, Nolder, Dap, Pral

Lenlo (3) - RTE, Ishy, Krak

Salami (2) - Wombat, Nyn

Nolder (2) - Darthe, Mish

RTE (1) - Des

Darthe (1) - Lily

Lily (1) - Tina

 

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

[Lenlo]

 

I still think we should be hunting mafia; not Verb. Verb aint going anywhere; we can take him down whenever. Personally I'm way more interested in finding mafia.

 

Nol pushing this angle doesn't make sense at all to me, so I'm gonna join that train and Vote Nolder

This pings. All the uncertainty, and now that you see some sort of Nolder train might be forming, you jump.

 

Yes. A Nolder train of 1 person before her. Truly it rocketed out of the station.

[csarmi]

 

 

I still think we should be hunting mafia; not Verb. Verb aint going anywhere; we can take him down whenever. Personally I'm way more interested in finding mafia.

 

Nol pushing this angle doesn't make sense at all to me, so I'm gonna join that train and Vote Nolder

This pings. All the uncertainty, and now that you see some sort of Nolder train might be forming, you jump.

 

Yes. A Nolder train of 1 person before her. Truly it rocketed out of the station.

 

 

I mean: Darthe votes Nol, I ping him, then she comes and votes.

No big train, but you see what I mean?

[Lenlo]

 

 

 

I still think we should be hunting mafia; not Verb. Verb aint going anywhere; we can take him down whenever. Personally I'm way more interested in finding mafia.

 

Nol pushing this angle doesn't make sense at all to me, so I'm gonna join that train and Vote Nolder

This pings. All the uncertainty, and now that you see some sort of Nolder train might be forming, you jump.

 

Yes. A Nolder train of 1 person before her. Truly it rocketed out of the station.

 

 

I mean: Darthe votes Nol, I ping him, then she comes and votes.

No big train, but you see what I mean?

 

I just think its abit misrepresentatative to call it a train when its 2 people is all. I understand the pings just dont twist it.

[csarmi]

OK, so what I got:

 

Verb lynch is a huge wifom. I wouldn't dare risk it at this point. I believe that Verb might be truthful about that not being a good idea for now.

 

Darthe stood out for slightly pushing at Nolder (lynch wednesday), then later somehow he ends up on Nolder anyway, with a more serious approaoch. Same with Wombat on Salami.

Not decided yet whether these are good, just noting for now.

 

Nolder:

• #68 - Verb is LLL already, so dire consequences, how is that more ...
• #71 - someone else please check if he can be voted (why someone else?)
• #91 - gold sounds like a trap (dislike this - let's not trust / try to figure out anything shall we)
• #103 - not interested in puzzles, let's lynch maffia and win... makes sure to bring up cult tho
• #127 - is Verb tailoring roles? is yours tailored? (blatant rolefish!)
• #193 - lynch Verb, he is scum/3rd party (wtf? - if we trust anything there, he is maffia by PM, if nothing, then why)
• Lynching Verb won't break the game just steer into good direction

Might just be misguided townie, but don't like this play.

 

Len: dislike his Verb thoughts (3rd party but may help town, etc)

 

Berf: pings a little. can't say why

 

Can't make sense of RTE play.

 

Townish read on Despo (like his posts), Lily (seen this kind of play as town on her)

 

Liked Dap/Ishy trying to start the game

[csarmi]

Len: okay, I agree that I didn't find the right word there.

[csarmi]

Oh yea it didn't come through from my post but I really dislike Len's play so far, I could vote there.

[Nolder]

You're playing grade school mafia.

Blatant rolefish? It's called rhetoric. 

I already knew Verbal didn't tailor his roles because, as I pointed out, I joined last minute giving him no time to balance a setup around even one tailored role let alone multiple.

I was pointing out the stupidity in the idea that Verbal would put some kind of reward out for lynching me on a Wednesday.

 

Anyway the mafia have obviously been on the defensive this whole day and now they are coming out of the woodworks to derail the conversation and discredit me by any means necessary. I think this lends credit to my idea that lynching Verbal might somehow put the game more into balance (power down a PR or two on the mafia side maybe?). Regardless of whether you think I'm right about that ask yourself this, are we going to lynch Verbal this game? If not today then when?

[LilyElizabeth]

Heeeey. Leave our poor little mod alone. Meanie heads.

 

 

 

 

Oh, I have a vote. I'm more popular than you.

 

SILENCE, MINION!!!!!!!!

 

 

Oh wait, can you go grab me a medium coffee?  Just Splenda.  Thanks!!  Oh and a strudel!  What a dear minion.....

 

 

Who the f@$% likes Splenda?

 

 

He said there'll be a pattern to the madness. So it's worth asking him questions. Eventually, we might even find out how the game works. Probably after dying...

And let's face it, he's hardly the sharpest hairbrush in his daughter's Barbie play set. He's bound to slip up sooner or later.

 

 

Can I modkill you yet?

 

When were you not allowed to modkill someone? Just scream 'ima bastard' and everyone will understand.

 

The first line of this quote struck me as weird the first time I read it. I don't like it any more now than I did then. 

 

 

 

3. Lenlo - "Don't pick on the mod." was the only post I can remember/notice, mixed feels on this one. I don't think I've played with you before? Seems a throwaway line but hmm.

 

 

Im sure we have at some point.

 

Des I applaud your attempt at trying to focus the game into more serious discussion but your assessment on me is pretty off.

If I cared about figuring Verbal's puzzles I'd be afraid to lynch him because "something bad might happen". Instead, I don't care.

As a person in his position he by definition cannot be town. He knows everyone's roles. He is scum/third party aligned.

I wasn't trying to create some big debate about whether we should lynch him or not I was trying to get someone else to vote him first to see if he would even count the vote while also commenting on the fact that even if "something bad" did happen town is in it's best position to weather it on day 1.

But the one crucial mistake your making here is this: You think he has to have an alignment at all. For all we know his alignment could be MOD, the thing holding the fabric of this game together or some random crap. He doesnt have to be playing for any team or playing against any team.

 

Now your right about us being in the best position to weather the bad thing on D1, but if we can avoid a bad thing at all shouldnt we? Why choose to take a bad thing just for the sake of testing something when we can find scum, get rid of all of them and if the game isnt over *then* try and lynch Verb when we have nothing else to worry about.

 

Still arguing against lynching Verb. Getting more heated. 

 

 

We also know Verbal is WIFOMing about the utility of his lynch. Personally, I think it would help the mafia. Apocalypse is a tough mofo, Verb seems to be goading us into lynching him in his rules, and I doubt he would have made his bastard setup easily breakable by a D1 modlynch.

You said it in a much shorter and better way than me.

 

 

We also know Verbal is WIFOMing about the utility of his lynch. Personally, I think it would help the mafia. Apocalypse is a tough mofo, Verb seems to be goading us into lynching him in his rules, and I doubt he would have made his bastard setup easily breakable by a D1 modlynch.

I'm not expecting to break the game. I think it will have no effect besides maybe -1 mafia.

Or if it does it'll be an effect which puts the game more into balance not less.

 

Then you are senile or naive. 

 

Think about it. If a player is doing everything they can, goading you and poking at you and generally being scummy on purpose do you lynch them or do you go against what they want and not lynch them? What would you automatically think if a player did that? Jester? Its probably not a good idea to give Verbal what he wants this early in the game.

 

And now he thinks Verb is jestering us? That's a reach. 

 

 

I'm not feeling really good about Lenlo and am willing to vote there. Darthe is pinging, but I always think he is scummy, so I'll most likely move my vote in a little bit, especially since nobody else likes Darthe for a lynch. 

 

 

I don't see Nol's behavior as scummy, and Mish is acting like normal day one Mish. I'm okay with the two of them. 

[dapianoplay3r]

 

FOS csarmi Buddying to a Bastard mod. and Worse, trusting him.

OMGUSFOS @RTE - distancing from known maffia (Verbal)

 

But you are working with, and buddying him

Gotta say you come off worse Csarmi

 

 

I got no dogma. I always consider the actual position.

 

Most of your ethics are dogmatic

 

 

Can we lynch Leelou?

Doesn't appear so. I tried to vote her earlier

  

 

Can we lynch Leelou?

 

 

You want to lynch the pretty one? What's wrong with you?

I've seen femme fatal films..l

[Nolder]

For the record I am against a Lenlo lynch today on the grounds that he's protecting Verbal.

If you think he's protecting Verbal then you'll be playing into his hand by not lynching Verbal.

I think he's better saved as the favorite for tomorrows lynch.

[John E. Kelley]

For the record I am against a Lenlo lynch today on the grounds that he's protecting Verbal.

If you think he's protecting Verbal then you'll be playing into his hand by not lynching Verbal.

I think he's better saved as the favorite for tomorrows lynch.

So you're of the opinion that we should lynch Verb?

[Nolder]

 

For the record I am against a Lenlo lynch today on the grounds that he's protecting Verbal.

If you think he's protecting Verbal then you'll be playing into his hand by not lynching Verbal.

I think he's better saved as the favorite for tomorrows lynch.

So you're of the opinion that we should lynch Verb?

 

Yeah. If for no other reason than we're probably going to do it eventually anyway right?

Why not do it when we're in the best shape to weather any negative consequences if there are any?

[John E. Kelley]

 

 

For the record I am against a Lenlo lynch today on the grounds that he's protecting Verbal.

If you think he's protecting Verbal then you'll be playing into his hand by not lynching Verbal.

I think he's better saved as the favorite for tomorrows lynch.

 

So you're of the opinion that we should lynch Verb?

Yeah. If for no other reason than we're probably going to do it eventually anyway right?

Why not do it when we're in the best shape to weather any negative consequences if there are any?

A valid point. Other, equally valid points are that he can't be lynched, or that lynching him willl empower the mafia in some way, yeah?

 

But I guess that goes with your point about weathering it early instead of at endgame. I'll think about it. Or flip a coin. Haven't decided. Either way, the Big Lenowski needs to die soon.

[Darthe]

That's an illogical standpoint. Again, you have not addressed the points that I made. Lets build a logical foundation for each.

 

1) We cannot rely on the honesty of the moderator to determine what effects may come of lynching him.

 

2) Mafia are likely aware of more than we are.

 

3) Any potential occrance is more likely of harm than aid to our team.

 

4) Verbal does not count toward a mafia majority.

 

5) We know of no consequence to him cirrently living

 

6) His lynch provides no information that helps the town.

 

7) If verbal doesn't count toward a mafia majority, if he is more likely to impede us with his death where he currently does nothing harmful to us that we are aware of, if he provides the least amount of information, if he provides the most likely risk of any possible lynch, and if his death may directly correlate to a shift in the powers of the game then we should not lynch verbal until all other mafia are dead to our knowledge.

 

This is simple. We are aware of our role PMs and the presence of mafia. Waiting to lynch him cannot harm us to our knowledge but we know that lynching him may cause harm. Why then would we kill him?

 

The answer is that no logical townsmember should be pushing for this.

[Darthe]

Ishy ninjad me.

[John E. Kelley]

Darthe, I have to believe that Verb is lying to the mafia every bit as much as he'll be lying to Town. And if his role PM that he shared is to be believed, why wouldn't he count towards scums numbers? It clearly states that he is mafia.