Daps Basic Mafia - GAME OVER, Mafia Wins!

[David Hermes]

David: anything else to say?

 

I would love to know why the mafia went for bg as he didn't stand out much to me. Perhaps they want to keep the more "noisy" players in to keep the town distracted. (I know this from being mafia in my previous games).

 

Well the random modkill was a bit anticlimactic. Well to put it bluntly, if I had voted mcs and he flipped town, then that would have made me look very suspicious as it looked like mcs was an easy lynch. Who goes for easy lynches? Mafia, that's who.

Basically the random modkill could have gotten a mafia although probability-wise it's more likely to get town. But the mafia would love an easy lynch, and so I find those players really gunning for mcs suspicious.

The game is about lynching mafia and so we have to find those the most suspicious, not the easiest lynch as we are likely to get town that way.

I think I made a good point here which is highlighted in red. It's very easy for a townie to look suspicious, in fact I would go so far as to say the more suspicious they are the more likely they are town. Ok so I said in post that we have to look for the suspicious ones but honestly that is a very vague method. I can't tell you how many times people found me suspicious when I was town because of my erratic posts and not believing what I had to say. But I think the mafia just want to stop any bandwagons happening to them and lynch all the townies, so going for an easy lynch is something I find very scummy.

[David Hermes]

Ahh, some activity and am back from the weekend too. Tough to get any specific read from just a few pages but here are my thoughts.

 

Tinker - His actions feel like he was trying to kickstart the game. Nothing much was happening and I don't see anything scummy in his vote. Leaning town

David - his initial confusion about the joke seemed forced. It did not seem like an innocent misunderstanding at all. More like he was trying to be a bit manipulative. Leaning scum

Krak - seems to be voting everybody out there, looking to see who catches on. First was a joke vote on me, then on tinker and then on Darthe. Leaning scum

Peace - seems to be pushing his lynch on Darthe. I think his initial moves were to fish reactions but he has carried it over. Not really sure, but I think town

Darthe - Darthe being Darthe so far. Only a town read on his as of now. 

Lenlo - not enough serious posts to get a read on

MCS - his initial comments against inactives seems a bit suspicious. Again, not much to go on for now but leaning scum

BG, Gen, Nica, Ishy (replacement) - nothing

 

So far, I think it is David, Krak or MCS who are on my radar. But, my vote is on David.

 

vote David

 

 

I'm not sure as yet as there are some I don't know.

 

Krak: I was thinking the same as Pral actually.

 

This is the first time we see that you agree with Pralaya. This is ok by itself, but when you repeatedly do it, it looks weird, that's all I can say.

Krak: I am also curious of the changing votes without explanation, then answering in rhymes. Is there a reason or what?

 

 

 

@tink

From what I see,

Throwing votes around, evading direct questions or points, telling that he is town without a necessity.

This

 

 

 

Vote Krak

 

Here you vote Krak after Pralaya does. So far though you would be playing as expected, as you found Krak suspicious and he didn't resolve that issue about his rhyming.

While I think there are some scummier candidates, you are being awfully cryptic Krak, on a bit of a concerning level. This is a basic, non-themed game, so I highly doubt you have received a role where you are required to say things the way you are.

 

Vote Krak

 

 

 

While I think there are some scummier candidates, you are being awfully cryptic Krak, on a bit of a concerning level. This is a basic, non-themed game, so I highly doubt you have received a role where you are required to say things the way you are.

 

Vote Krak

Bandwagon and sad reasoning. Finally someone comes out to play.

 

Of course I don't have to post like that.

 

unvote, vote MCS

 

 

Of all the players that voted Krak, Krak singled out mcs for some reason.

 

While I think there are some scummier candidates, you are being awfully cryptic Krak, on a bit of a concerning level. This is a basic, non-themed game, so I highly doubt you have received a role where you are required to say things the way you are.

 

Vote Krak

If you find someone scummier then vote them. Did you case or comment on them? If not, this is a good place to look.

 

 

 

Hi guys, I'm here and not completly up to speed, I just skimmed the game before to follow along for Nica.

 

I see however that we have 10 hours left til deadline, and one thing stuck out to me; and that is MCS's posts in general, but especially on this page. Might just be that I haven't played with him, but I find him way more pingworthy than either Krak, Tiink or Len at the moment.

 

Vote MCS

 

I'm heading to bed soon, so I won't be on again before deadline!

 

 

Unvote, Vote MCS

I'm sorry about all these quotes but I want to illustrate something here. Kaylee you found Krak quite suspicious and also I found that you agree with Pralaya a lot. Especially when you just quote and write "This", which I find a bit weird.

So after Krak and Misheru vote mcs, you switch your votes from Krak to mcs, because of very thin reasoning:"You should vote for who you think is the scummiest" but mcs later explained that Krak, if you like, jumped to the top of his list. But then when the deadline got close you wanted to keep lynching mcs. As I have said before, I believe you were going for an easy lynch, and this is what I think mafia would do.

[David Hermes]

Ok, so in conclusion I vote Kaylee.

[Kaylee]

I was going for who I found most suspicious. MCS with his "I find others scummier but am going to vote Krak" stood out as suspicious so I switched my vote. I originally found Krak to be a good one to watch as he was throwing around votes and only rhyming for answers.

 

David: I replaced in and commented on what was happening.

[Kaylee]

I am not following anyone. Pral made a comment about people not being around and that means harder to reach a lynch. I agreed by quoting and saying "this".

[Kaylee]

I have been voicing my opinions and making cases. Better than some are doing.

[Kaylee]

David: why ask why the mafia killed BG if you knew why?

 

Mafia will typically go for deaths that give town little to go on.

[Krakalakachkn]

Pretty defensive, aren't ya?

[Kaylee]

Not really, just available so thought I'd contribute. How about you? Anything to say or comment on?

[David Hermes]

What do you mean "not really"? :)

You posted 4 short posts in a row, which in my opinion, you could put into one or two posts. I was also thinking you were being a bit defensive but Krak said it for me. I don't know about you making cases (I've looked at all your posts again), but you have voiced your opinions, which usually matched with Pralaya. ;)

 

(By the way, don't take any of this the wrong way.)

Unless someone is  more obviously scum then I'm keeping my vote where it is.

[michellem]

Gah I'm sorry guys, I had these days clear and free for things to do, and suddenly tons of things piled up. I won't be able to catch up properly before tomorrow. There's a lot of things that's grabbed my eyes though, so tomorrow I'll return with a huge posts... There's been a lot of iffy play going on so far!

[Kaylee]

I mean I didn't feel I was being defensive. I had an opportunity to speak against a case on me and did so. I already said why I agreed with Pral. The first time was because I started 4 pages in and found the same person suspicious. I then made a case. (Btw a case doesn't have to have a bunch of quotes to be a case. It simply has to have who you find suspicious, why and a vote to back it up).

 

The quoting and saying "this" was about activity and I would've agreed with anyone who said it.

 

As for making more than one post: on mostly on mobile as I don't have a computer. (sometimes I can borrow one, but not usually). As a result I can't multi-quote. Last night it was late. I made a statement and posted. After I posted I wanted to add something so I did. It's not scummy to break up your posts. Sometimes I'll put a new thought in a separate post. Sometimes it's because RL keeps me from being able to do a longer one. (For those that know me I have a 13.5 month old so I may only be able to post in between her naps or while playing with her).

[Kaylee]

I do find it suspicious that several people agreed with me about David seeming suspicious and now that day started none of them have said anything about it. Could be because it's weekend, could be because he's scum.

 

Also MCS: it wasn't just the timing I found suspicious. It was the fact that you said you found others scummier than Krak yet voted him. I'll find the quotes when I can to better explain what I'm saying.

[Kaylee]

Taking the opportunity to jump on my fiancee's computer. Here are the quotes I was talking about:

 

While I think there are some scummier candidates, you are being awfully cryptic Krak, on a bit of a concerning level. This is a basic, non-themed game, so I highly doubt you have received a role where you are required to say things the way you are.

 

Vote Krak

Bold: He says he finds others scummier yet doesn't list who and why.

Yes, he says why he's voting Krak, but the point is that he found others scummier at the time and didn't mention who are why. That stood out to me.

 

 

 

While I think there are some scummier candidates, you are being awfully cryptic Krak, on a bit of a concerning level. This is a basic, non-themed game, so I highly doubt you have received a role where you are required to say things the way you are.

Vote Krak

If you find someone scummier then vote them. Did you case or comment on them? If not, this is a good place to look.

 

 

I was going to Kaylee. Like I said, my vote on Krak was a feeler, but his response had him jump to the top of my list. I don't know what to say guys... It's kind of sad that I'm going to be lynched on the first day phase of my first mafia game in nearly two years because of an impending deadline, and the fact that people don't know me well enough from playing with me. Perhaps a lot of you don't care if an innocent player is revealed as the victim of the fist lynch, that it gives you "information" or "a place to start. I get that the deadline is getting close, but please don't vote me out because you feel pressure from that or don't know me. Krak may or may not be mafia, but in either case he is certainly being manipulative, which is why I voted for him, and where my vote will stay as to not be wishy-washy.

 

Bold: He explains his vote was a feeler. Ok, I can understand that. However, if it was just a feeler why not vote for who you found scummier or at least name them and why? Otherwise it seems pointless to have said anything about them in the first place.

 

Blue: This indicates that it was the response after his vote that moved him up on his list.

[Kaylee]

I didn't mean to hit post yet

 

Anyway...I want to hear more people before placing my vote. I'm in no rush, but it would be nice if enough people came out to play so we can reach a majority this time.

[Lenlo]

Alright sorry I wasnt around for 2 days. Getting used to the new place.

 

Im rereading the thread though and ill have a vote and some ideas ready after lunch.

[peacesells]

First thing I want to ask is for those accusing kaylee of being defensive is to explain why it was scummy. Coming is and making a statement with a trigger word without backing up your reasoning is scummy.

 

Why? Because it is manipulative.

 

Defending oneself is a null tell at best. Over defensiveness is either scum or panicked town. So in the end a null tell. Krak and David please provide reasoning as to why you think kaylees defensiveness is scummy?

 

IMO so far David has been a complete hindrance to town. Not hammering was a horrible play. Not sure on his alignment yet.

 

Krak and Leno are my best bets for scum.

[Tiinker]

MCs acted scumlike but the train seemed hugely desperate. Regardless of how close we were to the deadline, and that town wants to get info, he's dropped as a viable lynch candidate for today. Kaylee seems to want to stay in everybody's good books. You got a vote you want to place? Place it.

 

MCs and Oral, you guys have any thoughts to give? I'm gonna try avoid posting any mass of text because writing from this god forsaken tablet is a great pain in my ass..

[Tiinker]

Defending oneself is a null tell at best. Over defensiveness is either scum or panicked town. So in the end a null tell.

Are you honestly telling me that by the way someone replies to accusations produces null tells? Getting defensive about certain issues can mean a great deal about motives and alignments.

[peacesells]

No not at all. I'm saying that if you age going to claim someone is scummy cause they are defensive is not enough. Cause town players are often defensive.

 

So the accuser needs to explain how that players particular defensiveness is scummy.

 

Huge difference.

[David Hermes]

You are right, peacesells, being defensive in and of itself is not very telling but it is probably what you are defending that gives you away.

 

In my opinion Kaylee defended herself well, and I kind of feel bad that she had to explain herself so much (like how hard it is to post on the mobile and such, so, sorry about that Kaylee.)

 

But I have noticed, Kaylee, that you are asking for comments from me and Krak, which is fine as we all need information, but I hope that it's not a tactic to use our words against us and cause a train of votes to follow.

 

I think the scummiest thing about you was gunning for mcs to be lynched, which would have been an easy lynch for the mafia, so if you are town, you were only helping mafia, if mcs is town.

[peacesells]

David. Explain why MCS would have been an easy lynch for mafia.

[mcs0083]

Hello guys. Kaylee, like the blue part of you quoting me indicated, Krak's response made him my real vote instead of a feeler. His reacting that aggressively that quickly made me keep my vote the way I did. If he had not reacted in such a way I would have put my vote on david or tiink. That's all there is to it. Ill post more when I get home in a bit.

[David Hermes]

Essentially, for some reason, mcs started to get a lot of votes quite close to the deadline, so it was pretty clear he was going to get lynched. He just needed the hammer vote to get lynched which the mafia could have done. Maybe all of them were on mcs's bandwagon and they just needed a few more town votes. I didn't want to change my vote from Krak to mcs, but there were 5 other players who also didn't change their votes, so I'm not the only one who "let it go to random".

 

mcs's lynch was an easy one because he already had 5 or 6 votes on him in a matter of hours with no real reasoning, in my opinion. So I bet the mafia were trying hard to get players to vote him.

[mcs0083]

David, you seem to be pretty sure of this theory, in which for it to make sense I would have to be a member of the town. This leads me to theorize, the only way you could be so confident in the fact that the mafia were trying to use me as an easy lynch, is if you know I am town. That would mean you are either the cop and read me last night, or you are scum. No real accusations yet, just a theory in response to yours.